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Mario Mario... what to do?

One year Brett Farve literally fell on his face (intentionally) to let Michael Strahan touch him and get credit for the sack. If I'm not mistaken, it made
Strahan the sack leader for the year and may have even set a record at the time.
I saw that Packers-Giants game on TV. All the players on both teams, including Farve and Strahan, were laughing their heads off after the paly as they knew how phoney it was.
Sometimes you get a break like that, other times a player may be the one who is really responsible for a sack, but doesn't get any credit.
 
This thread is just another way for people who didnt want us to draft Mario to let out their frustrations.

Mario got a sack on that play. It doesnt matter that the QB fell down. Mario was the first person there. Sack.
Does Tony Romo's first INT not count now cuz it was deflected at the line of scrimmage? It isnt Romo's fault that the ball went 30 feet into the air after Strahan tipped it, allowing a Giants player to run under it and catch it.

And they work very hard all game to get the QB, sometimes they desirve a sack like that, these DEs get so close and get so frustrated they deserve stuff like that. A sack is a sack is a sack.
 
That's cool and all....And I'm happy Leftwhich fell...and Im happy Mario got one more sack....

But Im still not sure how you can say Mario outperformed the opposition on that play...He isn't competing against his teamates...

I'll put it like this....When they were watching film, most likely the coach fast forwarded through that play....and labled it busted...

If there is nothing to coach up, how can you say he performed well on that play ? Do you think the DL coach was raving about how good a job he did on that play ??? Do you think the Jag's offensive line coach chewed out the OT for letting Mario beat him ??I mean if Mario hadn't of touched him....somebody else would have....That was not an impressive sack in the least bit.....

First, I'm not saying mario's play was outstanding on that sack...... heck I don't even remember what Mario was doing at the time.

But I do remember when Leftwhich was on his but, there was no one between Mario & Leftwich...... There was only one Battlered Jersey on that side of the OLine.

If you were to tell me that was a gimme sack, I'd say, "yeah, that was a gimme sack"

If you ask me how many sacks Mario has, I'd say, "2.5"
 
I'm really not understanding how you can say you were impressed with him on that play...When the play happened did you think to yourself...Wow Mario is a beast ? Did you say to yourself...Look out we've got a sack artist on our hands ??? No...You were happy that Mario got another sack as was I...But he didn't do anything on that play performance wise that made me think he did a helluva job....Im not sure how I can be any more clear than that...

When Strahan got the first sack on Bledsoe the other night, did you think, "Wow, that Strahan is a monster" (after all, it was a good tackle)

Or did you think, "Why would anybody let Strahan back there untouched"

I know I was more amazed by the poor play of Dallas' RT, than I was by what Strahan did.
 
Let me rephrase the question from my previous post...
If Mario never got to him, Leftwich would still be lying there?


Yes, because someone else would've got to him. He didn't really try to hard to get up, he was probably laughing too hard.

This wasn't like the Plummer fall in the preseason, when Jake jumped up and picked up a 3rd & 15 with a bullet pass to the middle of the field.

Leftwich had no intention of getting up at that moment.
 
Yes, because someone else would've got to him. He didn't really try to hard to get up, he was probably laughing too hard.

This wasn't like the Plummer fall in the preseason, when Jake jumped up and picked up a 3rd & 15 with a bullet pass to the middle of the field.

Leftwich had no intention of getting up at that moment.


So, 7-10 seconds later, Lefty is still just lying on the ground? If not, how long would you estimate he had between Mario getting there, and the next Texan besides Mario getting there.
3 seconds before some else got there? Would Lefty had gotten up after 3 seconds if no one touched him?
I am kinda being a smarta@@, but I didn't see the play in question, so the question is real.
 
So, 7-10 seconds later, Lefty is still just lying on the ground? If not, how long would you estimate he had between Mario getting there, and the next Texan besides Mario getting there.
3 seconds before some else got there? Would Lefty had gotten up after 3 seconds if no one touched him?
I am kinda being a smarta@@, but I didn't see the play in question, so the question is real.

well in the world of alternate realities, it's kinda difficult to imagine what would have happened, but I think odds are pretty good someone else would've got him in a second or so.......

More than likely Thomas Johnson would've stepped on his head.
 
Personally I see Mario as more of a LDE than a RDE or even a 3-4 end (Weaver is more of that). I think when Mario is in his prime, he will be excellent against the run, but merely good, not great, pass-rusher. Trevor Pryce and Kevin Carter (when he was younger) are the players he reminds me of.

I'd rather have him disrupt the strong side of the O-line and have a pass-rushing presence (Peek?) on the weak side.
 
So, 7-10 seconds later, Lefty is still just lying on the ground? If not, how long would you estimate he had between Mario getting there, and the next Texan besides Mario getting there.
3 seconds before some else got there? Would Lefty had gotten up after 3 seconds if no one touched him?
I am kinda being a smarta@@, but I didn't see the play in question, so the question is real.

Ok, I was going to make up some picture of Byron lying on the ground with C. Everett Koop hovering over him and a Life Alert around his neck. Then I found a picture that is funny looking without any doctoring at all, although irrelevant to the thread. Here it is anyway:

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This was like the thread blaming Carr for Bradford's 4th down drop last year. He got a sack on third down, it was lucky. Thats about all there is to it.
 
Great post Thunderkyss! I also think Super Mario will be a great player but will take some time! It's sad that some posters here thinks he IS ALREADY a bust bcuz he hasn't had 20 sacks yet @ this point of his career!


We had people on the Falcons board writing off DeAngelo Hall after his rookie season. There are few who just come into the game (Pro's) and dominate from day one. Not many Lawrence Taylors, or Reggie Whites out there. Mario will be solid in a year. He's the kind that gets better every year. :twocents:
 
We had people on the Falcons board writing off DeAngelo Hall after his rookie season. There are few who just come into the game (Pro's) and dominate from day one. Not many Lawrence Taylors, or Reggie Whites out there. Mario will be solid in a year. He's the kind that gets better every year. :twocents:

:redtowel: We all hope Mario eventually gets that good.:redtowel:
 
Ummmm.....once again....

I don't think anyone has said the sack shouldn't count....I really don't even care about stats honestly...IMO, Mario played his best game to date...

But from a performance standpoint...he didn't do much on that particular play...and Im not really sure what the argument is either....

the argument is people are for some reason trying to berate a player on our own team for no apparrent reason other than taking a jab at a guy that doesnt need any from his own fans. Mario put pressure on the QB all day, if someone was after you all day and you seen him 6ft away from you, you might just slip and fall down too. putting pressure on the QB is what its all about, making him do things he is not prepared to do and forcing him into mistakes and bad decisions. I would say falling down and letting mario touch him for a sack would fall under the "mistakes and bad decisions" category. who cares if it wasnt a highlight reel sack? who really cares? only those that want to find something wrong with the guy no matter what for their own selfish reasons.
 
the argument is people are for some reason trying to berate a player on our own team for no apparrent reason other than taking a jab at a guy that doesnt need any from his own fans. Mario put pressure on the QB all day, if someone was after you all day and you seen him 6ft away from you, you might just slip and fall down too. putting pressure on the QB is what its all about, making him do things he is not prepared to do and forcing him into mistakes and bad decisions. I would say falling down and letting mario touch him for a sack would fall under the "mistakes and bad decisions" category. who cares if it wasnt a highlight reel sack? who really cares? only those that want to find something wrong with the guy no matter what for their own selfish reasons.

I agree....... I'm watching the game agains, and so far in the first half, most of Leftwich's incomplete passes are because he is getting hit, or about to. His first incomplete pass, Mario bullrushed the RT right into him as he threw, and as soon as Lefty let the ball go, Kalu came and hit him from the other side.

But Yeah, I think a big part of Jax's 2/13 passing game is because of Mario & our Pass rush.
 
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