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OK....I drank the kool aid when we drafted Mario thinking he might be a stud. The first mistake of the new coaching staff. HE HAS NOT DONE ONE THING TO IMPRESS, and our defense gave up over 400 yards. Nice F%$#ing game Texans. We look like last seasonm. TEERRIBLE!

0-6 here we come
 
I think mario had more tackles and the same amount of sacks as Peppers..

however. did Carolina move Peppers around like we did with Mario?

I recall mario was at DT on some 3rd down situations.
just curious
 
WOW mario is a Bust??? Dang, he has played one game and we should already give him the boot. he was double teamed 90% of the game but he is a bust. O.K. let me guess, no one in the history of the NFL has had 60 yards rushing and 40 yards recieving. Bush for the Hll of Fame!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Barkley said:
What I saw from our defense today made me SICK! This team weill be lucky to win 1 of ita first 6 games.
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If they play like the way they did today, that is true. I don't think they will though. I've confidence in the coaching and the players that they'll make adjustments as necessary to play better and better.
 
Barkley said:
Nope, but when i see a defensive player who was drafted #1 overall (over a once in a lifetime back) and he does ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING in 3 preseason games and 1 regular season game, I am going to be concerned. Not only did he have 0 sacks and only 3 tackles, but our supposedly improved defense game up 400 yards.

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!
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Adrian Peterson came out last season?
 
Divebomb said:
WOW mario is a Bust??? Dang, he has played one game and we should already give him the boot. he was double teamed 90% of the game but he is a bust. O.K. let me guess, no one in the history of the NFL has had 60 yards rushing and 40 yards recieving. Bush for the Hll of Fame!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Westbrook had more yards from scrimmage: 71 yards rushing, 61 yards receiving (excluding return yards) and a TD today.
 
Barkley said:
OK....I drank the kool aid when we drafted Mario thinking he might be a stud. The first mistake of the new coaching staff. HE HAS NOT DONE ONE THING TO IMPRESS, and our defense gave up over 400 yards. Nice F%$#ing game Texans. We look like last seasonm. TEERRIBLE!

0-6 here we come
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Ridiculous comment. Way too early to tell. You're railing on the defense which did not play that well, but you should be just as concerned about the offense. No running attack and they did zip in the 2nd half.

It's going to be another tough year. We have a tough schedule and are still a below average team.
 
TexanSam said:
If they play like the way they did today, that is true. I don't think they will though. I've confidence in the coaching and the players that they'll make adjustments as necessary to play better and better.
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I agree...nothing like good ole game film to study and learn from week to week.
 
Divebomb said:
Dang, he has played one game and we should already give him the boot. he was double teamed 90% of the game but he is a bust.
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Sorry, but I need to correct you there. He was NOT double teamed 90% of the time at all. I sit up in the end zone at the 500's and focused on him allot. Didn't see that at all. Did catch him however standing around during the play doing absolutely nothing. Like he was lost or something. He did not rush, looked like he was suppose to drop back in coverage, but didn't. I am not a coach and do not know his assignment, but I am pretty sure a DE is not suppose to be there standing around...

No I do not consider him a bust at all. He needs to be taught technique right now and quickly. He has not gotten past the learning curve. Only time will tell on this, not 1 game and 3 pre-season games...
 
Barkley said:
Nope, but when i see a defensive player who was drafted #1 overall (over a once in a lifetime back) and he does ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING in 3 preseason games and 1 regular season game, I am going to be concerned. Not only did he have 0 sacks and only 3 tackles, but our supposedly improved defense game up 400 yards.

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!
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Understand something here. 1 player is not a result of a defense giving up 400 yards in a game.

The responsibility mostly falls on our DB's who gave up 311 yards passing. The defensive line did a decent job with stuffing the run in the beginning of the game...but as usually happens with us, the offense began to figure out how to pick apart our defense as the game wore on.

Our DB's did an absolutely horrendous job of tackling...it made me wonder if they thought they were playing flag football with how many times they'd reach around a guy's waist and slide off. Even Dante Robinson was being manhandled all day.


The fact is that we've got new systems for both our offense and our defense. It takes time for players to adjust to an entirely new system. Just be patient and everything will turn out ok.
 
NEWS FLASH!!! NEWS FLASH!!! Peppers had 3 total tackles today and Carolina Fans are screaming for a trade because they feel he is a BUST!!! Only 3 tackles and no sacks. Peppers is washed up! LOL You Bush Homers are so sad!
 
Wolf said:
Adrian Peterson came out last season?
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Adrian Peterson will be the next once in a lifetime back, then Jamal Charles and Steve Slaton, then someone else, then someone else, then someone else, then someone else,....
 
someone want to explain to me why a titans fan is on this board talking crap about mario? anyone see them get their butts handed to them by chad pennington and the jets? what about vince young promptly throwing a pick as soon as he enters the game? oh, then kerry collins... hahahaha!
 
Our safety's were the reason we gave up that much yardage, the corners did decent jobs, sanders needs to hold on to the ball, and Williams was doubled alot, he needs to stay at end not DT. with that oline philly has you need mario in space not doubled by 350 pound guys. O-line of ours looked like the same old same old, Carr was responsible for maybe 1 sack.
 
We should really have a 15 rule before your able to start a thread. Help us keep all the sane people sane and all the others....well away.

You mean Mario didnt set the season sack record today? What are the chances??
 
tulexan said:
Adrian Peterson will be the next once in a lifetime back, then Jamal Charles and Steve Slaton, then someone else, then someone else, then someone else, then someone else,....
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I guess it depends on how long you "lifetime" spans. My Dad is 64 and has seen Sayers, Sanders and now Bush. He has told me several times that anything Bush can do the other two could as well.
 
Wow, only first game and you have already wrote off Mario.....makes no sense give the guy a chance, glad to see the panthers did not write off Peppers on his first game.....


GO TEXANS !
 
CMoak1982 said:
Our safety's were the reason we gave up that much yardage, the corners did decent jobs, sanders needs to hold on to the ball, and Williams was doubled alot, he needs to stay at end not DT. with that oline philly has you need mario in space not doubled by 350 pound guys. O-line of ours looked like the same old same old, Carr was responsible for maybe 1 sack.
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The problem with Mario at DE is all he does is bull rush. I don't get to see nearly as much of all that as I'd like, but I have yet even once to see him do something other than bull rush or go around--waaay around. He demands double teams with his bull rush, so it seems to me that he does better at DT, taking on two and allowing somebody else to break free. Williams just isn't going to get sacks until he learns some moves for a change or some idiot coach decides not to double team him for too long, which ain't gonna happen. I don't mean to be so argumentative or imply that your idea is unintelligent, but I'd rather him take up those 2 350 pounders than see him taken out by a single RT because he unsuccessfully tries to out speed him.

Where was Peek in this game? Babin had no sacks and I don't even remember seeing Peek get any pressure at all. That's with 2 DTs on Mario? I think our RDEs need to get the lead out. The pass rush in this game was nowhere to be found and McNabb looked like a kid in a candy store. Yes, our safeties played like crap, but they weren't THAT bad.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Sorry, but I need to correct you there. He was NOT double teamed 90% of the time at all. I sit up in the end zone at the 500's and focused on him allot. Didn't see that at all. Did catch him however standing around during the play doing absolutely nothing. Like he was lost or something. He did not rush, looked like he was suppose to drop back in coverage, but didn't. I am not a coach and do not know his assignment, but I am pretty sure a DE is not suppose to be there standing around...

No I do not consider him a bust at all. He needs to be taught technique right now and quickly. He has not gotten past the learning curve. Only time will tell on this, not 1 game and 3 pre-season games...
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Yup. He was only double teamed when he was the point of attack for the offense or if they were in a max protection scheme. In other words, contrary to the myopians that populate this board, he was not game planned for and he was not treated any different than Weaver, Johnson, or Smith..regardless of position. But we must placate our anger by remembering that Mario was picked for the future of the franchise and not a quick jolt of pub and energy. Mario was a long term pick for the greater good by their own admission. Let's give the guy a 1/4 of the time we have given Carr before we start calling him a bust. That being said, I am worried that he lacks heart and love for competition, victory, and the game.

doug from the woodlands
 
You cant call a guy a bust after 1 game, 4 games or even their first season. College and the NFL are very diferent, and some players take longer to adjust then others.
 
I wont talk about Mario, I think he is trying, but not many people get to McNabb.


The thing I think we should be focused on is what did work. Carr looked good at times. and DeMeco really flew around out there.
 
I did not see Peek out there much at all today, a couple times......Mario is the real deal, just give him some time....today was his first NFL game I'm sure he had the jitters today.......I can say one good thing about most of us on the boards, that we always support our team no matter how bad we play, and even coming off a 2-14 season........there still is light at the end of the tunnell....my oldest daughter asked me today, ( Daddy why do the Texans always lose ? ) I told her Rome was not built in one day, and that when we start winning it will be better that ever to live here in Houston, and to say that I'm a Texan.......:texflag:
 
rmartin65 said:
You cant call a guy a bust after 1 game, 4 games or even their first season. College and the NFL are very diferent, and some players take longer to adjust then others.
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Amen to that!!

Bruce Smith was the #1 pick in the 1985 Draft by the Buffalo Bills. He had 6.5 sacks his rookie year. http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/stats.nsf/Annual/1985-buf

This just proves that a rookie season, much less one game does not define a player's career.
 
It's too early to call Mario a bust, but I just got back from the game and watched him play every line spot...and he sucks. I hope he gets better. I have to watch my taped game to comment further, but he was very disappointing.
 
Well if you look at Peppers, Strahan and Freeny they average 3 tackles a game and 1/2 sack a game. Mario is off by 1/2 a sack even while playing a lot of DT. As hard as it may be, you half to give this team 1/2 season before making any judgements. Throwing in the towel after the 1st game is ludicrous. New management, new coaches, new O & D systems and your ticked because they lost to a team who has been to 4 out 5 of the last NFC Championship games and went to the Super Bowl 2 years ago. Gimme a break, you must be 12 years old.
 
Agree completely. Mark it down guys and I will be glad to eat crow if I am wrong. Mario WIlliams is/will be a bust. The number 1 pick in the draft had ZERO impact on today's game. That is the last thing you want since the team picking first needs IMMEDIATE help from such pick. I was watching him all game long and he was in very few plays. Could never get disengaged from being blocked. Also please do not try to spin this as saying he was double teamed or opened up other opportunities for other D-linemen. Mario was effectively handled one on one and was virtually never double teamed. Our front 7 produced no pass rush which is really scary considering that is supposedly a strength of our team.

We are no closer to being a championship football team than our first year. In fact I think we are in worse shape since we have blown all of the expansion added picks that we got..
 
To start a thread and call a rook d-lineman a bust is completely absurd. Three letters for you Barkley... D-D-D.
 
TexansFight said:
Also please do not try to spin this as saying he was double teamed or opened up other opportunities for other D-linemen. Mario was effectively handled one on one and was virtually never double teamed. ..
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He was easily blocked by one man and didn't even need to be doubled...and wasn't very often. It didn't matter if it was a Guard or a Tackle, no matter who was blocking him dominated him. He is only good running to the ball right now. If you run right at him he is defenseless. Right now he looks like a pure workout warrior. This is going to be a long year.
 
Ends need several plays to set up moves, with his athleticism it would be smarter to keep him out in space. With him at DT thats all you get is the bull rush. I watched him on every single play he was in, and he was doubled, not 90% of the time but a good number, if it wasn't a true double it was a chip or a wall off block. I'd say a good 40-50%. The rest of our d-line was held up pretty good too. You're talking about the biggest line in the NFL, for this game it would be smarter to use Mario on the edges. As a whole our defense was out of place several times and couldn't get any pressure to force bad throws, you can't pin that on one person, we we're outplayed and out coached when they had the ball in the 2,3,4 quarters. They screened at the right times, they play faked at the right times, all in all we were man handled when our d was on the field as a collective whole.
 
Williams was horrible. No two ways about it. He has a very, very, very, long ways to go if he will ever be more than another in a long line of Dline busts as overall #1's. I agree with Barkley, Vinny and the others. He was totally manhandled today, and was a huge ZERO, ZILCH, NADA. Kubiak's hubris will likely come back to haunt him, and may end up being his undoing. It's too early to label him a bust, but I do believe I just saw a fat woman taking voice lessons in the Texans dressing room. :brickwall
 
I just got back from the game myself and I am P.O.'d at alot of things that I saw. Even though I am still trying to dissect everything I saw, this is my initial reaction. What the hell is Smith thinking, I saw alot of plays where I'm hoping this is the case Mario would simply engage the lineman and try to look over his shoulder to see what was happening. It looked like he was trying to play containment, but to me it looked like crap. I refuse to believe Mario doesn't have any other moves besides the bull-rush and it pisses me off that I don't ever see him even try it. I don't know maybe he's taking to much advice from Weaver who himself hasn't shown himself as much of a pass-rush specialist. I saw him standing around trying to orient himself a couple of times as well and I'm thinking WTF. The first quarter I was standing up and cheering, but the final few minutes I felt like I was gonna be sick and I don't drink. Moving Mario around in the pre-season was all well and good as expiremental, but this is ridicolous now. I didn't comment on everything, I thought was a mistake this off-season. Okay, I lie, I did vent a little bit after the draft, but seeing this game was simply frustrating. Damn, Mario get your **** together man.
 
I don't know why ya'll are singling him out, the DLINE as a whole did not play well, we do play a little to much outside contain but that just comes with PHILLY athletic QB who can run, and a screen throwing team with Westbrook, you have to stay home to do that, granted it didn't work but I understand the playcalling, don't like it but understand it. There are 3 first day picks starting on the Dline, and a 9 year vet., and they all looked bad. Philly has a good oline, but not so good as to where we can't get any pressure. All in all the D looked bad our oline looked bad our TE/RB blocking looked bad.
 
I hear alot of peppers please nobody mention his name he's another of the great talent that we let slide thanks to good old casserly but its to early to judge mario its one game some other bust have been with us going on 5 4 3 years now and we still give them a chance.:hides:
 
Wolf said:
I think mario had more tackles and the same amount of sacks as Peppers..

however. did Carolina move Peppers around like we did with Mario?

I recall mario was at DT on some 3rd down situations.
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In the long run, I think this might be a benefit to us...... but if we are going to eventually get a Tackle that performs, then I think we're wasting our time, and unnecessarily hurting Mario's progress.

He needs to play one man as much as possible, to learn his tendancies, and to set him up for later plays.....
 
Barkley said:
Nope, but when i see a defensive player who was drafted #1 overall (over a once in a lifetime back) and he does ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING in 3 preseason games and 1 regular season game, I am going to be concerned. Not only did he have 0 sacks and only 3 tackles, but our supposedly improved defense game up 400 yards.

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!
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there is nothing "once in a lifetime" about Reggie Bush. He is a good running back.

Defensive End is a position that requires patience. But it is also a postion that players for you team for a long long time. Odds are Reggie Bush will be sitting in the Fox or NBC studios as a retired player talking about what a great game Mario Williams had that day.
 
CMoak1982 said:
Ends need several plays to set up moves, with his athleticism it would be smarter to keep him out in space. With him at DT thats all you get is the bull rush. I watched him on every single play he was in, and he was doubled, not 90% of the time but a good number, if it wasn't a true double it was a chip or a wall off block. I'd say a good 40-50%. The rest of our d-line was held up pretty good too. You're talking about the biggest line in the NFL, for this game it would be smarter to use Mario on the edges. As a whole our defense was out of place several times and couldn't get any pressure to force bad throws, you can't pin that on one person, we we're outplayed and out coached when they had the ball in the 2,3,4 quarters. They screened at the right times, they play faked at the right times, all in all we were man handled when our d was on the field as a collective whole.
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I agree..... when I heard we were going to move Mario inside on certain plays, in certain situations, I had no idea that meant on every 3rd & Long...... or that we'll be shuffling our DL between every snap(well almost). With this game plan, I can't see our guys getting into rhythm....... or it's going to take them much longer to figure it out.
 
"Williams was horrible. No two ways about it. He has a very, very, very, long ways to go if he will ever be more than another in a long line of Dline busts as overall #1's. I agree with Barkley, Vinny and the others. He was totally manhandled today, and was a huge ZERO, ZILCH, NADA. Kubiak's hubris will likely come back to haunt him, and may end up being his undoing. It's too early to label him a bust, but I do believe I just saw a fat woman taking voice lessons in the Texans dressing room. "


Couldn't have said it better myself. He looked extremely slow.:brickwall

After watching Bush, oh my.:brickwall
 
I think it's safe to say after this game is that he will not be an instant impact guy on this defense a la Julius Peppers. Right now, he looks like a big guy playing the DT position at DE. He has no finesse game, and he didn't even look that great against the run either. Hopefully it won't take him long to find out he can't overpower guys like he did in college. And what's worse, it doesn't look like he's that fast. People have talked about his speed but I'm not seeing it. He doesn't come off the edge like a top tier DE and that's what really worries me. You don't coach speed.

And it's not about numbers either. No DE puts up big numbers, but you can definitely tell how they impact the game. Mario Williams did not impact the game today... I'm not willing to say he's a bust, but I think he's in for a long season. For all the crap we went through to get this DL together, they played VERY DISSAPPOINTING, especially considering they're supposed to be our strong suite.
 
Vinny said:
It's too early to call Mario a bust, but I just got back from the game and watched him play every line spot...and he sucks. I hope he gets better. I have to watch my taped game to comment further, but he was very disappointing.
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Don't put yourself through it, Vinny. Mario played with little or no heart and was standing up at the end of most plays yards away from the action/tackle. Weaver and dare I say Babin looked good at times....oh and Dunta and Sanders both looked horrible.

as for your boy DeMeco, he looks like Houston's next Al Smith. He is already getting some love from me as the best player on our team...offense or defense.

Oh and to the lobotomy victim that claimed Carr was the best player on the field today, I must ask what you are smoking because I have been smoking for years and have never been that stoned before.

Top Performers
DeMeco and Moulds

Worst Performers
Dunta, Sanders, Carr (inconsistent as usual)

Jury Still Out
Mario, Lundy, and Kubiak
 
I am expecting more from him sooner rather than later. I was a D brick fan or trading the pick, he better do something fast!
 
The number 1 pick in the draft had ZERO impact on today's game. That is the last thing you want since the team picking first needs IMMEDIATE help from such pick.
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Hmmmm, this is interesting. Let's think about this one. Let's take a look at the last ten and see if there really was an immediate positive impact.

2005--Alex Smith

Might have been the worst rookie performance in awhile. All he did today is throw for nearly 300 yards and lead his team to 27 points.

2004--Eli Manning

Not all that good in his rookie season, but I guess he did do some things good in his second season.

2003--Carson Palmer

Did not play a single down his rookie year. We know the rest of the story.

2002--David Carr

The jury is still out on this one.

2001--Michael Vick

Did some things his rookie year. A lot more since.

2000--Courtney Brown

Bust.

1999--Tim Couch

Bust.

1998--Peyton Manning

Threw more picks than TDs his first year. The rest is history.

1997--Orlando Pace

Five time Pro Bowler

1996--Keyshawn Johnson

He was good, but he's not THAT good.

Okay, what do we see? I see five legitimate Pro Bowl performers at their position but none of them did that their first year. Seems to me that we are not only being too hard on the kid but we are also misunderstanding the goal of the first overall pick. If our goal was to get the best player for 2006 it would be Bush hands down. That should NEVER be the goal. Your goal is to find the guy that will have the kind of career that will dramatically change the fortunes of the franchise for a decade or more.

While Mario may or may not be that guy, we all should agree that this year will not determine that one way or the other. Of course, this list also shows that the first overall pick is not the lead pipe cinch it seems to be.
 
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