dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Titan "Tack" Fan;485567 said:
Maybe when your discussing teams, but not when your discussing individual players.
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Mario exceding expectations
- Thread starter TexansSeminole
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Maybe when your discussing teams, but not when your discussing individual players.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Titan "Tack" Fan;485542 said:
Well, since Mario has gotten the 3.5 sacks in the last 4 games, technically, we could extrapolate the numbers from that point & he'd end up with a little over 11 sacks for the year. And of course, that's assuming that he doesn't just go wild in the second half of the season.
By the way, when can we officially call Bush a bust?
Yesterday, he split the TE/RT double team, then chased TravisWho?? down from behind, and prevented the first down. The next play, the center messes up the snap, and TravisWho?? had to fall on the ball....... now out of FieldGoal Range.
There was also another play, where he stepped in front of Vince in the flat, taking away his check down. Vince pulled the ball down, then took off to make a play with his legs..... Mario caught him, and tackled him behind the LOS.. showing that Mario is one of those faster defensive players that Vince won't be able to work his magic against.
My favorite Mario play, was where Parcells(a guy who knows a thing or two about players, especially defensive players) assigned PatrickCrayton, JasonWitten, and Flozelle Adams to keep Mario out of the lane, so they could run JJ off tackle. Mario moved that pile of CowboyCrap into that lane, taking it away from JJ(who was the NFL leading rusher in yards per game at that time). JJ had to stretch that play to the sideline. But Sanders was sitting there waiting for him. JJ had to cut it back, and try to get behind Mario, by the time he got there, CC had come down from his safety spot, and stopped JJ for a loss.
Then there was that one that he shot into the backfield, and had his hands all over DCulpepper...... he wasn't able to bring him down that time, I doubt he'll make that mistake again.
WRs, & RBs...... you're right, you don't take projects with the #1 overall.
QBs...... DEs.... LTs...... yeah, I can see taking a project with the #1 overall, especially when you are looking at a guy who will be better than Peppers.
& if you think Mario, our rookie Defensive end isn't the best Defensive end on our team, who do you think is??
blockhead83
Rookie
My only disappointment in Mario stems from all the comparisons made between him and Peppers leading up to the season. They had very similar production in college, and Mario was arguably modestly more impressive than Peppers in the combine so I assumed Mario would look very similar to Peppers in his style of play. He doesn't. Peppers is quicker on the field from what I've seen, and alot of his game is built on that. Now, if I stop trying to base Mario's success on how closely he mirrors Peppers, he looks way better. He uses his strength and size more often than his speed and quickness. He's improved every game. He hasn't blown through the line to single handedly sack a QB with no help whatsoever, but then again who does? Are you meaning to tell me when Peppers or Strahan sacks a QB, he's the only one to apply pressure? Get real. Most sacks in the NFL come from the guy who gets there first after the protection has broken down, and right now Mario's getting there first most often for the Texans. He is applying pressure multiple times a game, pushing his blocker into the QB, getting in the QB's face on screens, and redirecting running plays. He doesn't look like Peppers, but he looks really good to me and that's exciting regarding our defenses future.
Mario's leading his team in sacks and is disrupting his opposition, I'll give him a B+. On the other hand you have Reggie Bush, who isn't his teams leading rusher, and has a pedestrian YPC and yards per catch. Not very impressive, but it's only mediocre not bustworthy, so I'll give him a C+ Then there's the #3 pick Vince Young. He looks horrible throwing the ball. 80 yards in the air is a good day for him, he has very little accuracy downfield. He looks good running with the ball and buying time in the pocket. He also looks good leading his team and is doing just enough to help his team win. I'm not sure how well that bodes for his future, as running QB's don't tend to be successful long term, but for now I'd give him a B.
Mario's leading his team in sacks and is disrupting his opposition, I'll give him a B+. On the other hand you have Reggie Bush, who isn't his teams leading rusher, and has a pedestrian YPC and yards per catch. Not very impressive, but it's only mediocre not bustworthy, so I'll give him a C+ Then there's the #3 pick Vince Young. He looks horrible throwing the ball. 80 yards in the air is a good day for him, he has very little accuracy downfield. He looks good running with the ball and buying time in the pocket. He also looks good leading his team and is doing just enough to help his team win. I'm not sure how well that bodes for his future, as running QB's don't tend to be successful long term, but for now I'd give him a B.
I'm not a fan of giving expectations based on where a player was chosen - just because he was 1st overall I don't think that necessarily means he needs to be dominating to meet expectations. He was only 1st overall because the Texans wanted him. Put another team there and he could have been 3rd or 5th, who knows.
With that said, given his history of not always being 100% play to play in college, my expectations were he'd be much the same in the NFL, and he is so far. In college, when he was visible, he was making some big plays, which hasn't translated quite as evidently in the NFL due to increased competition, which seems to currently result in him making sound and less obvious plays rather than the big ones when he is visible. So he's really more or less met my expectations exactly.
With that said, given his history of not always being 100% play to play in college, my expectations were he'd be much the same in the NFL, and he is so far. In college, when he was visible, he was making some big plays, which hasn't translated quite as evidently in the NFL due to increased competition, which seems to currently result in him making sound and less obvious plays rather than the big ones when he is visible. So he's really more or less met my expectations exactly.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I'd say most of the guys that are drafted for these positions are already assumed as a "project" because from what I can see these are the hardest positions for players to play as rookies in the NFL.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I could have told you that, I watched alot of Mario in college. Saw him at Doak Campbell Stadium last year when NC State played FSU(@FSU). Peppers and Mario have had different styles since college. Mario was always one to get into the chest of the tackle more than trying to run around him, while Peppers ran around the tackle more than getting into their chest. Not that they couldn't do it both ways, just the style that they used was different.
The other thing to remember when trying to compare Mario to Peppers (an obvious thing to do, but not always appropriate), is that Peppers is a year older (longer exposure to really competitive football) and Peppers stepped onto a team with a decisive edge in quality defensive linemen. Applying DL pressure is usually dependent upon multiple players disrupting the OL, not jut one.
R
real
Guest
Also Peppers has fast twitch muscles......
Also Peppers has fast twitch muscles......
Oh Great! here we go again another 3 plus pages of threads on fast twitch vs slow twitch. Thanks a lot xtruroyaltyx.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I heard that Mario didnt even play all 4 years in high school.
I dont know if that is true or even if it means anything, but if Peppers did then it would mean:
Peppers - been playing for at least 8 or 9 years prior to Draft.
Williams - been playing for maybe 5 or 6.
This might not mean anything at all but the truth in football is that the more you play, the more you learn. I would lobby that Mario is still an inexperienced football player.
I dont know if that is true or even if it means anything, but if Peppers did then it would mean:
Peppers - been playing for at least 8 or 9 years prior to Draft.
Williams - been playing for maybe 5 or 6.
This might not mean anything at all but the truth in football is that the more you play, the more you learn. I would lobby that Mario is still an inexperienced football player.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Titan "Tack" Fan;485783 said:Maybe Mario should call Kyle Vanden Bosch and ask for some pointers.
Mario Williams has 1/2 a sack less than Kyle Vanden Bosch did in his first 4 years in the league. Yea, that's the guy I want Mario Williams getting pointers from.
I think MArio was a running back in highschool, and didn't start playing defense until College.
joedinkle
Waterboy
Strahan's comments on Super Mario
“I love it. I love him. Who doesn’t want a defensive end to be the first overall pick in the draft? I’ve had a chance to (talk to him), I told him a little bit after he was drafted, (and) text messaged him a few times. He’s a good player, he’s big, he’s strong, he’s fast, and he’s got all the tools that are going to be needed to him to be successful. But when I watched him play after he got that first sack in the Miami game I was watching when I was in Houston, all of a sudden this wrap came off. He was able to play a little bit looser; he was able to enjoy the game a little bit more without all that pressure that everybody’s putting on him. Defensive end position, I know from experience, is not a running back. Everybody’s talking about Reggie Bush, well you know you can put a running back into any offense and he can kind of make something happen. But as a defensive end, defensive lineman is not so easy and I applaud Mario for the way that he’s handled it.”
“I love it. I love him. Who doesn’t want a defensive end to be the first overall pick in the draft? I’ve had a chance to (talk to him), I told him a little bit after he was drafted, (and) text messaged him a few times. He’s a good player, he’s big, he’s strong, he’s fast, and he’s got all the tools that are going to be needed to him to be successful. But when I watched him play after he got that first sack in the Miami game I was watching when I was in Houston, all of a sudden this wrap came off. He was able to play a little bit looser; he was able to enjoy the game a little bit more without all that pressure that everybody’s putting on him. Defensive end position, I know from experience, is not a running back. Everybody’s talking about Reggie Bush, well you know you can put a running back into any offense and he can kind of make something happen. But as a defensive end, defensive lineman is not so easy and I applaud Mario for the way that he’s handled it.”
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Titan "Tack" Fan;485542 said:
Tell you what, you go research all the defensive ends drafted in the first round for the last ten years, take how many sacks they each managed in their rookie season, find the average, and then come back and tell me that 8 sacks is mediocre.
Jevon Kearse had an exceptional rookie season. He's never equaled it in the 7 years since. That doesn't make 8 sacks mediocre.
You've really got your troll on this week Tack.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Tack is just overjoyed that the Titans beat us by six points. because of thise, every player on the Texans no "suck" compared to the Titans. Amazing. It is really getting annoying. I think Tack needs to be suspended until December 10.
I would be real happy if Mario got 8 sacks or more this season. How many tackles to Kearse get?
I would be real happy if Mario got 8 sacks or more this season. How many tackles to Kearse get?
trutexan02
Waterboy
It's because who else is he gonna talk smack to? So far their only victories have come against us and Washington. Ours where against a team that finsihed 12-4 and 9-7 a year ago as opposed to their victims 2-14 and 10-6. You can do the math and see why this guy won't leave our boards. He is problably being crushed in his.
TheOgre
All Pro
Not really. Our defense played well against y'all. It was the 5 turnovers and the punt return that won the game for you. The combination of Carr's bad ball handling, and your aggressive defense was the difference.
Vince Young really wasn't a difference maker in this game. Apparently, he didn't have to be either though.
The sack vs. VY was phenominal. He stopped the screen and reacted fast enough to prevent the scramble. That was a flash of greatness. There arent 5 DE in the leauge who make that play.
he has alot of room to improve, but that makes you very hopefull for the future
Roughnecks
Waterboy
If he works on his moves coming off ball this offseason you could see a diffrent DE. I would like to see him talking to MS after the game maybe he could call him up and get some pointers or something because he has noone to talk to on our Dline to help.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Mario continues to impress me with his growth. Today he was really pressuring the QB. He made his presence known to the QB and had Eli out of sync.
Bamaborn-Texasbred
Rookie
Mario may have 10 sacks before this season is over. I like him more every time I see him.
The three stooges are VY, RB, and Bud Adams.
The three stooges are VY, RB, and Bud Adams.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
It was a nice play, but the pocket broke down because of other players and Young took off and it was a one yard loss. Mario was in position because he was being blocked well. It was a nice play, but I wouldn't call it extraordinary or game changing. We saw more of of an impact type play today in the Giant game. Today gives me more hope than Mario finishing other guys aggressive play.The sack vs. VY was phenominal. He stopped the screen and reacted fast enough to prevent the scramble. That was a flash of greatness. There arent 5 DE in the leauge who make that play.
ARe we talking about the same play?? Mario wasn't blocked at all. He sniffed the screen, went straight upfield to cut it off.... Vince pulled the ball down, and thought he could beat Mario to the corner, since Mario was so far up field.
But Mario ran him down before he could get to the LOS. That was an amazing play, and as stated before, there may not be 5 DEs in this league that could make that play, from start to finish. Sniffing the screen, cutting it off, then catching VinceYoung in the backfield.
Jason Taylor & Peppers maybe, I can't think of anyone else who could've made that play.
That play was all Mario.