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Marcel Shipp

I think we're all overthinking this. He's nothing more than a minimal cost warm body for training camp, so the other backs don't get overworked. That's it. He's not going to make the roster, he's not going to move up the depth chart. He's just a guy to fill out practice time. All this wondering about how he can help the team and if he fits the system - none of that matters.

If they wanted a guy who could be a threat to make the team - they would have gone after one of the bigger, younger names out there.
 
I didn't like our RB situation before this signing and I still don't. I am hoping Slayton lights up the Cowgirls but even then I would be worried about him being our featured back when the games count. I have next to no faith in Green or Brown. I realize that if you put them together they might equal one good RB but they both could be down for the count by week 3.
 
Its so funny how many of you are talking about McNair's money like it was your own.

Cutting Green frees up a roster spot, sure, but thats about all the good it does. It doesn't free up cap space for us because of his prorated bonus payments. It owuld be better to cut him next year.

All it really does is save Mr. McNair 4 million bucks and give us 1 extra roster spot for a guy who most likely will play minimal minutes.

I say if Green can win us 1 game, keep him. Its not my money, so I don't really care. McNair won't go broke
 
Overalls said:
I didn't like our RB situation before this signing and I still don't. I am hoping Slayton lights up the Cowgirls but even then I would be worried about him being our featured back when the games count. I have next to no faith in Green or Brown. I realize that if you put them together they might equal one good RB but they both could be down for the count by week 3.
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Sadly after watching the first two games I have more faith in Brown than I do Taylor. Taylor looks slow to react to the one cut and I have seen several times he cuts into the defenders versus to where the hole is.
 
Kubiak just needed another body to take a few carries until the end of preseason. I doubt he makes the 53 man roster. Just another camp body. No need to panic Texan fans.
 
Specnatz said:
Sadly after watching the first two games I have more faith in Brown than I do Taylor. Taylor looks slow to react to the one cut and I have seen several times he cuts into the defenders versus to where the hole is.
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Taylor just looks like a guy who hasn't played football in over a year (which he is). Before he got hurt and sat for the 2007 season he was better than this. I'm not by any means a "Chris Taylor IS A BEAST!!!!!" fan and I've always wondered where that came from but he is (was?) serviceable and I expected better out of him than he's been giving. I think this is the result of sitting for a year. If I remember correctly he didn't even get camp last year. His injury was very early in training camp (anyone else remember that or am I wrong?) and so he's far removed from that very workmanlike but effective game he started against Cleveland at the end of the 2006 season.

Some guys can be out of football for a while and come back and not look too rusty but most players who stay out very long have a period of transition where they have to get back up to speed. Some guys never can seem to make it back and I hope Taylor isn't one of those guys. He hasn't done much this preseason though. Maybe next week.
 
You never know, this guy may come in here and do well.......... just kidding. I think his Shipp has sailed on his NFL career.
 
I am intrigued by Marcel Shipp. I remember a couple of years ago, some people were pretty high on him and then Arizona tried the whole Emmitt Smith thing. Then they brought in the guy who took Smith's job in Dallas. Shipp was injured during that stuff but he made it through McGinness, Denny Green and now he's expendible because of Edgerrin James, J. J. Arrington and Tim Hightower.

Shipp probably is just a warm camp body but I would be happy if he could come in here and either compete for a spot or light a fire under some of our young guys. Either way, it's nice to see that the coaches aren't satisfied with the 2-3 ypc we're getting out of our guys so far.
 
Don't forget about Preist Holmes situation when he went to KC. This could be the same thing, Preist was never a starter with Baltamore..............I think we would be better off giving Shipp a chance & cutting Green!:fans:
 
Brando said:
I don't understand bringing this guy in. It don't hurt anything and I guess we needed an extra body because of the injury situation with Green. I would like to bring somebody in a little younger and with a little more upside. That being said I will root for Shipp like any other Texan and I trust Smith&Kubes on this decision.
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I think we've got all the "younger, more upside" guys we need on our roster already. Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, & Steve Slaton.

We need a seasoned veteran that we can count on. I think Shipp fits that to a T, and with Brown as proven talent, I think Kubiak is getting ready to part ways with Green.

I'm thinking they need to see him in pads, on the field, and in the locker room, to make sure he walks the walk, and talks the talk. There isn't much difference between Shipp, and Droughns, and Anderson, and Gary, before those guys went through the system.

I think Shipp will do well here.

We still need our OL to open holes...... they haven't been able to do that worth a damn. I still remember Chris Taylor looking pretty good, and Darius Walker for that matter, when we were playing teams below our level.

I don't think we'll ever see a high round draft pick in the backfield...... we knew that when Kubiak came in. I also suspect, we won't get any big name free agents. But that's okay(with me anyway), as long as the big uglies start throwing their weight around.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I think we've got all the "younger, more upside" guys we need on our roster already. Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, & Steve Slaton.

We need a seasoned veteran that we can count on. I think Shipp fits that to a T, and with Brown as proven talent, I think Kubiak is getting ready to part ways with Green.

I'm thinking they need to see him in pads, on the field, and in the locker room, to make sure he walks the walk, and talks the talk. There isn't much difference between Shipp, and Droughns, and Anderson, and Gary, before those guys went through the system.

I think Shipp will do well here.

We still need our OL to open holes...... they haven't been able to do that worth a damn. I still remember Chris Taylor looking pretty good, and Darius Walker for that matter, when we were playing teams below our level.

I don't think we'll ever see a high round draft pick in the backfield...... we knew that when Kubiak came in. I also suspect, we won't get any big name free agents. But that's okay(with me anyway), as long as the big uglies start throwing their weight around.
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Good point, we do need a veteran to mix in with those younger guys until Green is ready to go. That being said I don't think he(Shipp) will make the opening day roster. Unless of course Green is unable to go. Shipp happens.;)
 
IlliniJen said:
Sometimes you just gotta wonder if a scheme made a RB look a lot better than he really his. Seems like Indy might have that extra special something that makes their RBs excel, much like Denver of yore. Because I don't remember Rhodes being very special after he left, and I think he was fairly productive in Indy behind Edge. Of course, all my non-Texan player knowledge comes from fantasy football, so I may be wrong.

I'm surprised we didnt take a shot at Jordan. Now he's a guy I could get a bit excited about. Pickups like C. Brown and M. Shipp are like kissing your sister, but if that's all you get, well, I guess you just gotta pucker up.
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Yeah, his name is Manning... Your running lanes are alot bigger when the other team has 6 in the box.
 
gtexan02 said:
Its so funny how many of you are talking about McNair's money like it was your own.

Cutting Green frees up a roster spot, sure, but thats about all the good it does. It doesn't free up cap space for us because of his prorated bonus payments. It owuld be better to cut him next year.

All it really does is save Mr. McNair 4 million bucks and give us 1 extra roster spot for a guy who most likely will play minimal minutes.

I say if Green can win us 1 game, keep him. Its not my money, so I don't really care. McNair won't go broke
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What?

LOL. So he should waste $4 mill on Green AND tie up a roster spot because he might win us one game?

I'm with Vinny and Spectnatz (I can't believe I agree with Spectnatz). Brown was pushing the pile and still getting 2-3 yards even with nothing there to work with. Taylor is making all the wrong moves.

I suspect the RB depth chart might look something like this:

1. Chris Brown

2. Steve Slaton

3. Darius Walker

4. Chris Taylor

5. Ahman Green & Marcel Shipp

Brown gets the the nod at #1 due to being a crafty veteran, but I think Slaton is already knocking on that door pretty hard--I think if Slaton has a good game Friday with the 1st stringers, the No. 1 spot might be Slaton's going into the first game. His speed, and decisive running have been consistent. Just needs to show it versus defense's 1st stringers.

Darius is still a factor, IMO. He just doesn't have the speed of Slaton. Kubiak has been eerily silent about Darius for awhile, so I think that means that Darius is doing "OK" but not "Great."

Chris Taylor is sinking. Root for him all you want, but at the end of the day he has to produce. I think Taylor might even get cut with Shipp on board. Plus, we will see a whole slew of RB cuts hit the waiver wire.

Ahman Green doesn't deserve to be ranked the No. 1 guy until he makes it through a complete HALF of a game. Period.

And Marcel Shipp is very very far on the outside looking in, at least at this stage of camp. He's been brought in as the proverbial warm body. Cuz if Steve Slaton or Chris Brown are hurt, that leaves us with Walker and Taylor.

SWTbound jumped on the Slaton bandwagon. I think I'm on it, too. We need Steve Slaton to regain the form he had two seasons ago...when he was red hot and unstoppable.
 
GP said:
Ahman Green doesn't deserve to be ranked the No. 1 guy...
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Will Munny said:
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
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I don't think Gary Kubiak's decision to stick by Ahman Green has anything to do with the running game. He trusts that Gibbs could get enough from the other backs to keep defense honest. I believe what's driving the move to stay with Green is Kubiak's lack of confidence in Brown, Taylor, and Slaton in picking up the blitz.

Matt Schaub needs to stay on the field, and Green is a proven pass blocker. The teams the Texans face early bring tremendous pressure on the QB. Not to mention that the Texans are starting a rookie at LT and have, other than Chester Pitts, a young offensive line. Green is Schaub's (and Kubiak's) security blanket.

I don't think it will work as Kubiak hopes. In Green, I see a broken down back who won't make it to week 5. Maybe that would buy enough time to get Slaton ready? Regardless, it appears that Green will be the opening day starter at RB. Deserved or not.
 
Lucky said:
I don't think Gary Kubiak's decision to stick by Ahman Green has anything to do with the running game. He trusts that Gibbs could get enough from the other backs to keep defense honest. I believe what's driving the move to stay with Green is Kubiak's lack of confidence in Brown, Taylor, and Slaton in picking up the blitz.

Matt Schaub needs to stay on the field, and Green is a proven pass blocker. The teams the Texans face early bring tremendous pressure on the QB. Not to mention that the Texans are starting a rookie at LT and have, other than Chester Pitts, a young offensive line. Green is Schaub's (and Kubiak's) security blanket.

I don't think it will work as Kubiak hopes. In Green, I see a broken down back who won't make it to week 5. Maybe that would buy enough time to get Slaton ready? Regardless, it appears that Green will be the opening day starter at RB. Deserved or not.
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Dude, you're so right.
 
Lucky said:
He hasn't had much time with the playbook. But, Shipp is reportedly a good special team player. So he might see the field in kicking situations.
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Just watched the game and I saw him on a special teams play late in the game.
 
IMO, it wouldn't suprise me to see Shipp stay. You can cut Chris Brown and Shipp could fill that role of experienced back up veteran, while playing special teams. He also can do anything that Darius Walker has done for us so far, although I really like Walker.

Shipp plays special teams and has been good at it before. With the removal of Cook from the team that could make room for Shipp who would fill the void left by Cook on the special teams unit.

It could be:
Leach
Green
Taylor
Slaton
Walker
Shipp
 
Malloy said:
Just watched the game and I saw him on a special teams play late in the game.
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He was in there for all the kickoffs that I saw. It was funny, on one play it looked like Okam was giving him direction on where to line up and what to do.

I like Big Frank.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
He was in there for all the kickoffs that I saw. It was funny, on one play it looked like Okam was giving him direction on where to line up and what to do.

I like Big Frank.
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He almost ran out of time on the short kickoff too. A half second longer reeling in that ball and it very well could've spelled the end of Shipp as a Texan.

I'm glad he was able to grab a hold of it at the last second.
 
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