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Marc Berman Deal is Done Mario a Texan

Interesting.

Knee-jerk reaction is a "what the...." But thinking about it a little more... maybe we are building more for the future, maybe we do have the needed offinsive weapons - at least enough not to take a RB at the first pick with quite a bit of money tied up into that. Maybe we are working on the foundation, the trenches to build for the long haul vs. a "one player - win now" menatility....

maybe...
 
Toan said:
This is a major smokescreen, no way in hell we take Mario with the FIRST pick of the draft. Bongo, a highly credibly guy to many, said we were trying to make any team think we would take Mario with the first hoping to trade out of the 1st overall.

If we do take Mario it wouldn't be with the 1st.
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NFL Network, ESPN, and our own page have reported that we have already signed him. I seriously doubt it's a smokescreen.
 
Last year we missed Derek Johnson to get Travis Johnson-who has proved all but useful. This year, we pick a vastly unproven defensive threat-and skip a guy who had proven a threat whenever the ball is in his hands.

I have lost all faith in the Texans FO. I dont WANT to trade up and pick a sub-par RB, and yes--thats what I feel of DeAngelo Williams and the others. I thought Ronnie Brown was good, and I think Reggie Bush is the best I've ever seen. At this point, I assume stick to the original game plan, and draft OL or CB or LB with the second and third rounds. Dont make my wound bleed deeper by wasting a pick on a RB that won't help us, because DD is just as good as them--though Bush would have elevated us to the next level.

However, there is one way the FO could fully retain my fath. I would not care ONE BIT if we traded the second round, one or BOTH or the 3rd, and our first next year for the 2nd to NO. Why? Becuase I think our team is vastly improved enough to the point our 1st next year will not be nearly as valuable--especially if we can still find a way of getting Bush. Unfortunately, I dont see this happening :crying:

Now if you chums will excuse me, I'm going to go drown myself.
 
Ironist said:
Last year we missed Derek Johnson to get Travis Johnson-who has proved all but useful. This year, we pick a vastly unproven defensive threat-and skip a guy who had proven a threat whenever the ball is in his hands.

I have lost all faith in the Texans FO. I dont WANT to trade up and pick a sub-par RB, and yes--thats what I feel of DeAngelo Williams and the others. I thought Ronnie Brown was good, and I think Reggie Bush is the best I've ever seen. At this point, I assume stick to the original game plan, and draft OL or CB or LB with the second and third rounds. Dont make my wound bleed deeper by wasting a pick on a RB that won't help us, because DD is just as good as them--though Bush would have elevated us to the next level.

However, there is one way the FO could fully retain my fath. I would not care ONE BIT if we traded the second round, one or BOTH or the 3rd, and our first next year for the 2nd to NO. Why? Becuase I think our team is vastly improved enough to the point our 1st next year will not be nearly as valuable--especially if we can still find a way of getting Bush. Unfortunately, I dont see this happening :crying:

Now if you chums will excuse me, I'm going to go drown myself.
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I stopped reading after you said D'Angelo is a subpar RB

And I love yall who are so quick to judge Travis Johnson, who was basically asked to play a style of DL last year completely opposite to his strengths. You'll be pleased with him as a penetrating DT in the 4-3
 
GoTexans said:
This fkn sucks.

FIRE CHARLEY CASSERLY..THIS IS THE WORST MISTAKE EVER.

williams is a solid player but he's not even a top 10 pick. what a fkn joke.
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His last day is tomorrow...seriously.
 
I wasn't planning on going to the draft party tomorrow but now I am. I'm going to boo the crap out of the first pick and then I am going to leave.
 
texan279 said:
NFL Network just reported Texans personnel have been viewing game tape of RB's for the last 2 days of RB's that we would possibly draft in the 2nd round.
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I wonder if De Angelo Williams will slip to the Second Round?
 
Johnny Utah said:
I wasn't planning on going to the draft party tomorrow but now I am. I'm going to boo the crap out of the first pick and then I am going to leave.
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Nothing will make Casserly happier...
 
The only way I'll come out of this draft NOT totally hating the results is if SOMEHOW, SF, my 2nd favorite team, finds a way to land him. But I'm still all for the Texans doing whatever it takes to move up.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I wasn't planning on going to the draft party tomorrow but now I am. I'm going to boo the crap out of the first pick and then I am going to leave.
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While you're at it don't bother to come back
 
Oblivion said:
This sucks. Please someone confirm this. It's like I have been dreaming all off-season of picking Bush and I just broke into a nightmare.:crying:
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No, it was your "dream" of picking Bush that was actually a nightmare. When Casserly kept referring to Bush as a guy who would get "limited touches" you should have been clued in because you don't burn the top pick on a part-time player.
 
Hervoyel said:
I am sick. I'm physically ill. Three straight years of incomprehensible decisions from this team at draft time has made me sick to my stomach.

Like Casserly asked I won't Boo Mario Williams. In order to do that I'd have to be at a game. No danger of that happening I suspect..
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How can you say this is an incomprehensible pick? Because the media hyped Bush so much? Actually the incomprehensible pick would have been Bush since the Texans already have a proven back and no pass rush to speak of. Plus, how can you draft a guy with the top pick who would only be a part-time player anyway?
 
BradK10 said:
I stopped reading after you said D'Angelo is a subpar RB

And I love yall who are so quick to judge Travis Johnson, who was basically asked to play a style of DL last year completely opposite to his strengths. You'll be pleased with him as a penetrating DT in the 4-3
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Here's the thing; I think Deangelo is a decent RB, but after watching him all last season and all offseason, I DONT think he's worth a 1st round pick--at least not for us. The only RB worth that was Bush. Williams is small and has slightly above average speed and skills. I dont see him being the amazing threat Bush would have been.

About Travis Johnson, I dont have anything against him; I think he is a decent player and could prove very productive this year, but I highly think that, at this point, DJ would be much moer useful. I wanted him because I thought he was an amazing value, ESPECIALLY at #13....TJ might be useful, but DJ is more; at least thats my opinion.
 
Bobo said:
How can you say this is an incomprehensible pick? Because the media hyped Bush so much? Actually the incomprehensible pick would have been Bush since the Texans already have a proven back and no pass rush to speak of. Plus, how can you draft a guy with the top pick who would only be a part-time player anyway?
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He wasnt a part-time player. He was a most-of-the-time RB, a part time excellent WR, and an excellent PR/KR as well.
 
Porky said:
You and me both brother. Well, somehow the Texans have managed to screw up the unscrewable, mess up the unmessable, and become the laughingstock of the world (Yes Bush has a hugh worldwide following) all in one night. Nice going. Why do I get all excited for 4 months only to be let down AGAIN. Why do I suddenly feel like Charlie Brown.
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They would have screwed it up if they took Bush. I mean, think about it. When a team has so many needs, how can they ignore a need and draft into a strength? That to me would have been incomprehensible.
 
HOUSTON -- The Houston Texans have signed North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams to a six-year, $54 million deal, making him the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft Saturday.

Of the $54 million, Williams is guaranteed $26.5 million.
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Mario Williams is an excellent player-but this number is WAY too high for a DE; an unproven one at least. I thought the main advantage to passing on Bush for Willaims was that we'd save a little money?

I guess not...
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, lets all raise our glasses and toast year 5 of "building for the future".
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Ah well - sarcasm aside..... I guess I'm still looking at the more optimist side. Yeah - would've LOVED to have the sexy selection of Reggie, seeing some of his college games recently replayed and imagining that being the steel blue flash running down the field for a TD.

But then, looking at it from another side - working on the linemen, acquiring a player known for the pass rush and was a #2 overall on most mocks that I recall. Having a longer career life than an RB and that the "once in a lifetime" RB's tend to come around more often....

... dunno. Guess I'm just a homer and will support the Texans regardless of what happens, especially since I have yet to see our new product on the field this season. (yeah, I consider this team a new product based off previous year's interesting leadership).
 
Ironist said:
He wasnt a part-time player. He was a most-of-the-time RB, a part time excellent WR, and an excellent PR/KR as well.
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So you would have used the top overall pick as a KO/punt returner? Um, I don't think so! With Davis here, the guy was definitely part time and there's no way you trade a proven RB for a college rookie who hasn't gained one yard in the NFL.
 
allright texans' fans, i know he's not the sexy pick like bush or young, but williams is a DOMINANT player. he's a cross between reggie white and julius peppers. he's a force. teams will refuse to rush to his side, and he'll be double-teamed from day one. football isn't just about the marquee players. you guys will WIN with this guy, plain and simple.
 
Ironist said:
Mario Williams is an excellent player-but this number is WAY too high for a DE; an unproven one at least. I thought the main advantage to passing on Bush for Willaims was that we'd save a little money?

I guess not...
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Bush is unproven as well -- and wouldn't be a full-time player. Williams will be.
 
Bobo said:
How can you say this is an incomprehensible pick? Because the media hyped Bush so much? Actually the incomprehensible pick would have been Bush since the Texans already have a proven back and no pass rush to speak of. Plus, how can you draft a guy with the top pick who would only be a part-time player anyway?
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The Texans are going to be a punchline all offseason. Sam Bowie was the right choice we had Drexler. :brickwall
 
HeroTime said:
The Texans are going to be a punchline all offseason. Sam Bowie was the right choice we had Drexler. :brickwall
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Not according to what I am hearing. Most people outside the Houston area realize that the Texans have a good RB and QB and I believe that they will see it as a wise pick.
 
kastofsna said:
allright texans' fans, i know he's not the sexy pick like bush or young, but williams is a DOMINANT player. he's a cross between reggie white and julius peppers. he's a force. teams will refuse to rush to his side, and he'll be double-teamed from day one. football isn't just about the marquee players. you guys will WIN with this guy, plain and simple.
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thanks I feel better already :rolleyes:
 
GoTexans said:
This fkn sucks.

FIRE CHARLEY CASSERLY..THIS IS THE WORST MISTAKE EVER.

williams is a solid player but he's not even a top 10 pick. what a fkn joke.
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You are simply wrong here. If the Texans didn't take Williams, then NO at #2 would have. How can you say he's not even a top 10 pick when the team right behind the Texans would have chosen him as well?
 
Mario Williams had 10.5 of his 13 sacks in 3 games last year. I would hardly call that consistent or dominant. He wasn't even the ACC Def Player of the Year. Can he end up being great? Sure, anything is possible and he is only 21. He has great upside. But is he worth the #1 pick? Not at all.

These comparisions to Peppers are premature. When you watched Peppers at UNC, he just jumped off the screen. You just knew that he was going to be great. I don't get that feeling with Williams.

As my monikor suggests, I'm an Old Oiler Fan but have been hoping and rooting for the Texans to get it together and field a competitive and fun team to watch. I really can't believe that they are going to pass up on 2 of the most amazing and accomplished college football athletes of the past 20 years for a workout warrior project! Amazing!

Screw it! Go Titans!
 
Bobo said:
So you would have used the top overall pick as a KO/punt returner? Um, I don't think so! With Davis here, the guy was definitely part time and there's no way you trade a proven RB for a college rookie who hasn't gained one yard in the NFL.
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Yes, they planned on using him as a KO/PR. With that speed and those abilities, anyone would. He would primarily be a RB of course, and a sure threat out of the backfield as a reciever.

Reggie Bush IS more proven than Mario Williams because Willaism has proved very inconsistent. He did not dominate every game, where a position such as DE can. Bush has been the suspected #1 since the beginning, and Williams did not climb the charts until very recently.

The Cavs didnt pass on Lebron James; if they did, they would have been disgraced. That's how I feel.
 
Hey, I'm in the happy boat. I liked what both Williams and Bush brought to the table. It was either a win for the offense or a win for the defense. For the money, I still like the every down guy.

Now, with this pick.... I want us to concentrate on the defense. We can definately make a deal with "Da Bears" for the #26 pick. I would offer #65, 66 this year and a conditional R2 or R3 next year. This allows us an opportunity to give the defense a tremendous shot in the arm. My guess:

R1-01 DE NC ST Mario Williams - Frickin Freak. Definately adds some get up and go to the defense.

R1-26 OLB OSU Bobby Carpenter - 6'3" and 256lbs. Size, speed, can cover and tackles with authority. Has all the tools. Would be a great addition at #26 to our LB corp.

R2-33 FS USC Darnell Bing - 6'4" and 225lbs. Likes to lay the hammer on WR's. Covers the run. Kind of enforcer that makes recievers think twice about coming over the middle. Can play CB or FS.

or CB FSU Antonio Cromartie - 6'2" and 203lbs. Again, love his size and speed. Former WR with good hands.

R4-97 OT B ST Daryn Colledge - Excellant pass coverage technique. Smart and may be a quick learner in Kubiak's "zone blocking" scheme. This guy could come in and contribute right away.

All 5 of these guys have NFL size and speed, right now. Their focus would be on learning the system, not having to include a bulking up program in their daily routine. All these guys have played at this size so you already have a true read on their speed.

These 4 picks would absolutely address every need we have. The off season FA picks really helped our offense. If we ever hope to knock Indy out, our defense had to be addressed, right now.

GO TEXANS!!!!
 
Reggie Bush needs to fire his agent. He basically screwed him out of the first overall selection. He will not get the same deal he was demanding. he left the door cracked and someone busted it open accepted a deal and got it done. Now reggie may go #2 he may go #3 who knows I just know he lost some money trying to be greedy
 
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

As I read the article about Bush's situation, it was probably a combination of Bush's financial demands, the recent controversy, the fact that Mario is a stud prospect that provides us another defense cornerstone (Dunta) that Texans decided to go down the other path.

I am a bit disappointed, because we didn't trade down. However, it seemed the Jets were very interested in Mario and trying to move up. If you look at the NE's recent signing of Seymour, it's clear that versatile DL are being valued VERY highly.

I'll support my team and carry a cheer for SUPER MARIO! To those that are disappointed, get over it or get a new team. If the draft went according to mocks, what fun would that be? Defense wins championships and we already have the tools to move the ball on offense. Kubes track record says he can get guys in later rounds and turn them into studs. Let's give the new staff a chance.
 
texan_b said:
Reggie Bush needs to fire his agent. He basically screwed him out of the first overall selection. He will not get the same deal he was demanding. he left the door cracked and someone busted it open accepted a deal and got it done. Now reggie may go #2 he may go #3 who knows I just know he lost some money trying to be greedy
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We paid Williams more than we were offering Bush. Reggie's stupid agent had nothing to do with it. It was our stupid front office that "got this done".
 
I am so Happy we just got Super Mario and he will be there first day of training camp. Go Texans. I know most people were thinking we need Bush but our defense is so bad we need an awesome pass rusher and that's what this guy brings and he wouldn't have fallen to #4 because New Orleans was going to pick him up. I like the pick because with Kubiak we can draft a RB in the 5th round and he will make him into worth a 1st round pick.

:superman: Reserve me a Super Mario Jersey Please
 
texanfan2002114 said:
I don't care who made the *******king pick. Thats just plain stupid!!!! I understand not taking VY but to pass over Reggie is wrong!!
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It was on Fox sports that McNair himself made the pick, RB was offered $26mil guaranteed,8% more than Alex Smith got and RB turned it down wanted $30 mil up front , felt like he should get QB pay plus a 6 year contract with over 75% guaranteed. Glad to see that the Team stood their ground on this and said see you later Reggie !! Great Pick Team , I just feel really good about this season. Welcome to the Texans Super Mario:redtowel: :superman:
 
Guys I'm upset about this as much as maybe most of you are. I wanted bush or young with the first pick or trade down and pick up ferguson because thats our problem the most is our oline sucks. But maybe this pick isnt going to be that bad. Defense wins championships. Mario Williams Travis Johnson Robaire Smith and Anthony Weaver sounds ok to me. But I will tell You I was just dieing for the season to start when I thought we were getting Bush, but this news has kind of put out my buzz.
 
What do you notice in this pic??????????? Yup Earl Campbell.. a running back!

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OH MY GOD. Yeah...Lets put this guy next that other #1 pick Travis Taylor. that worked out great, didn't it. Teams will have to game plan to go against whoever has Reggie Bush. You think they will be game planning to run away from this guy? HELL NO. This is a horse***** pick. Look for another 2 win season. Don't know about you guys, but if this IS the pick, my tickets will be sold. I AM NOT GOING TO SIT THROUGH ANOTHER ANEMIC OFFENSIVE SEASON.
 
Texan Ned said:
OH MY GOD. Yeah...Lets put this guy next that other #1 pick Travis Taylor. that worked out great, didn't it. Teams will have to game plan to go against whoever has Reggie Bush. You think they will be game planning to run away from this guy? HELL NO. This is a horse***** pick. Look for another 2 win season. Don't know about you guys, but if this IS the pick, my tickets will be sold. I AM NOT GOING TO SIT THROUGH ANOTHER ANEMIC OFFENSIVE SEASON.
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Who the hell his Travis Taylor?
 
I think getting Mario Williams will really booster a troubled defense real quick.Our offense is pretty good with out another running back. Great job texans.:challenge
 
I'll be damned. Just when you think you know how things work. I am just really shocked.
 
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