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Honoring Earl 34 said:
His dad and mom wanted to get plates for their car that had JFF Dad and JFF Mom . They should be the adults for Johnny and keep him grounded but instead they fund him to travel the world and act the fool . He should marry one of those gymnast girls who's parents ruined them .

Having been around youth sports with two sons , there were other kids who could have been like that if they hit it big . Johnny just happens to be the one who hit it .

If Johnny gets drafted , I wonder if his dad is going to want to go to all the practices and handle all of his affairs ?
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I wish my mom and dad were like that back in the day. LOL
 
Hookem Horns said:
Not defending Mack Brown as he clearly has issues, but just sayin'. I also don't recall Luck and RGIII walking onto the Texas campus and practically begging Brown to recruit them.

Sure, I am open to the possibility that Mack was just being Mack, however maybe Manziel's reputation and issues played into the decision to not touch him.
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Yep,

Mack has done a wonderful job recruiting QB's

It's why A&M has pased UT in the recruiting game.

Mack never recruits problem guys, Kindle/Benson, that Wells/Jones guys that got kicked out of school for robbing a convience store.

Mack would have passed on a heisman trophy winning QB because he parties too much, like Simms/Applewhite/VY didn't put in their time on 6th street.
 
steelbtexan said:
It sure does.

All he wants to do is hang out with his friends and do what they do. Whether people like it or not that's what he's going to do.

That and win football games. Something that teams he plays on seem to do quite often.
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So his father worrying that he's going to "come unraveled" and that he'll end up viewing jail-time as preferable to the current circumstances makes you think he's not bothered by the attention he's getting?
 
ChampionTexan said:
So his father worrying that he's going to "come unraveled" and that he'll end up viewing jail-time as preferable to the current circumstances makes you think he's not bothered by the attention he's getting?
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His fathers statements tell me he wishes he never would've gone to A&M. Sorry Aggie fans
 
steelbtexan said:
His fathers statements tell me he wishes he never would've gone to A&M. Sorry Aggie fans
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His fathers statements show he didn't show his son how to grow up and be a man. He's a whiny b*tch who looks for the spotlight by granting these interviews and then complains about all the attention and scrutiny. How does a father who is worried about his son drinking proceed to buy him beer?

With the way Mack brown has show to coddle his players maybe you are right that he'd do better in Austin. Then he'd meltdown as a pro with no chance of redemption instead of learning to grow up in college.
 
Stemp said:
His fathers statements show he didn't show his son how to grow up and be a man. He's a whiny b*tch who looks for the spotlight by granting these interviews and then complains about all the attention and scrutiny. How does a father who is worried about his son drinking proceed to buy him beer?

With the way Mack brown has show to coddle his players maybe you are right that he'd do better in Austin. Then he'd meltdown as a pro with no chance of redemption instead of in college.
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Agreed,

If he wins all of this will be a moot point.

Nobody seems to be able to answer

A. What JM is doing differently this offseason from last offseason, and all he did was win a Heisman?
B. Who is he really harming?
 
If there is no contract and the NCAA can't produce a copy of a check then I doubt you'll see anything come from this. They have to prove money changed hands.
 
dc_txtech said:
Or if anybody happened to have a cell phone.
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They would need to produce pictures of a contract, and check or the broker handing Manziel money. Pictures of him signing autographs isn't enough. Since this investigation has been going on since June I doubt those things exist.
 
That sucks for manziel. NCAA has been known to make some questionable decisions:

"My hard evidence and common sense and logic from 30-plus years of practice tells me (the NCAA's decision) is not supported by sound, reliable information and documentation," he said. "We were able to document that all these players had worked the hours that they had said. Even if we were to concede where there might be holes, less than five hours are in dispute. That takes them under 100 bucks. In DeVier Posey's situation, (the NCAA) just absolutely disregarded evidence that any person with common sense would accept. Why they did it, I do not know."
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http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=7073025&src=desktop

Doesn't seem like they are 100% forthcoming with exactly why and what goes into their decisions. Or maybe they are and posey's lawyer just doing his lawyer thing.
 
The broker in question could always sell Manziel out too. If he hasn't done it by now though I doubt that's gonna happen. Money does talk though so if a booster from another rival school chucks a little change his way he could possibly sing like a bird.
 
Texn4life said:
The broker in question could always sell Manziel out too. If he hasn't done it by now though I doubt that's gonna happen. Money does talk though so if a booster from another rival school chucks a little change his way he could possibly sing like a bird.
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If the broker sells out Manziel and he becomes ineligible,then his "investment" goes to crap. That's why I find it hard to believe that someone would be so brazen as to do this in public view.
 
Sigh. I'm just waiting for the season to begin. Hopefully all this offseason crap will die down by then.

Manziel or no, I'll be up in the stands at Kyle participating in the yells twice as loud this season.
 
Stemp said:
If the broker sells out Manziel and he becomes ineligible,then his "investment" goes to crap. That's why I find it hard to believe that someone would be so brazen as to do this in public view.
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I agree with you. Just throwing out possible scenarios. The way boosters operate though I can see someone trying to throw a crapload of money at him to snitch.
 
A sprinkle of the sleaze factor is not going to make this any better.......


Drew Tieman is the Alleged Autograph Broker for Johnny Manziel


Sun, Aug 4 - 7:44 pm EDT | 3 mins ago by Stephen Kersey

It looks like Johnny Manziel could be in major trouble. Part of the blame could lie with an alleged autograph broker who lives in the state of Florida. His name is Drew Tieman and he appears to have past arrests on his rap sheet — mostly drug related.

Scroll down to see 6 pictures of Drew Tieman, who reportedly paid Johnny Football more than $10,000 to sign memorabilia.

If he’s found guilty by the NCAA, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner could be suspended for a long, long time. Missing the entire 2013 college football season for Texas A&M isn’t out of the question. And the broker could also find himself in more hot water.

Here are the aforementioned images — be sure you click “Next” to view all six. Included is a suspicious shot with none other than Manti Te’o!
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The Rest
 
Could find no record of this "broker" mentioned anywhere in association with brokering for any other players.........or for that matter, in any other context of "brokering."

Makes one think that this could turn out to basically having been planned as a one-on-one profit-splitting scheme from the beginning.
 
We need to understand something about the Manziel family. They are not merely wealthy. They are filthy, astonishing, rich. They have Texas oil money, and when we're talking Texas oil money, we are talking about billions and billions of dollars that lasts for generations, and will likely never run out. Ever.

Johnny likely doesn't care because he likely has a trust in which he'll eventually inherit $100 million or so in a few years. He he doesn't care if he makes it in the NFL because he'll still be a rich douche that can do whatever he wants. AND, he'll be able to be a multi-millionare without putting his body through a career as an athlete. The guy is a lazy, entitled douche, and doesn't care about anyone else.

It's sad, but, it's probably how he thinks.
 
houstonspartan said:
We need to understand something about the Manziel family. They are not merely wealthy. They are filthy, astonishing, rich. They have Texas oil money, and when we're talking Texas oil money, we are talking about billions and billions of dollars that lasts for generations, and will likely never run out. Ever.

Johnny likely doesn't care because he likely has a trust in which he'll eventually inherit $100 million or so in a few years. He he doesn't care if he makes it in the NFL because he'll still be a rich douche that can do whatever he wants. AND, he'll be able to be a multi-millionare without putting his body through a career as an athlete. The guy is a lazy, entitled douche, and doesn't care about anyone else.

It's sad, but, it's probably how he thinks.
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That's very much as I see it.

He's the type of person who can have millions, but go for a 5 figure shady deal............or shoplift a 1 figure item..........just to say he did.........and got away with it.
 
Rey said:
Tamu better start getting Davis ready.

This isn't going to end well for manziel.
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Davis isn't even the backup right now. Joeckel's little brother is the number 2 behind Johnny at the moment. A&M is screwed with either one at QB though. Joeckel's the more polished passer at this point so he'll probably get the nod if they need someone. I'm going to say that Manziel doesn't miss any time though. It wasn't a very well kept secret that Lache Seastrunk got paid during his recruitment a few years ago, but the NCAA could never prove it. I think that's ultimately what's gonna happen here.
 
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Texn4life said:
Davis isn't even the backup right now. Joeckel's little brother is the number 2 behind Johnny right now. A&M is screwed with either one at QB though. Joeckel's the more polished passer at this point so he'll probably get the nod if they need someone. I'm going to say that Manziel doesn't miss any time though. It wasn't a very well kept secret that Lache Seastrunk got paid during his recruitment a few years ago, but the NCAA could never prove it. I think that's ultimately what's gonna happen here.
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I think manziel is too high profile. I think they are going to keep fishing until they get something.

Regarding the back up situation...he'll if I know. I just know them from the video game and Davis is pretty nice on there...lol
 
Wow. This kid has been getting a beat down since he won the Heisman.

Amazing how the media builds an athlete or celebrity up only to gleefully yank the carpet out from under them the first chance they get.

The NCAA and college football are some of the biggest crooks out there. To make millions upon million of dollars on these kids efforts and to suspend them for selling jerseys or autographs is ridiculous.
 
Txn_in_Oki said:
Wow. This kid has been getting a beat down since he won the Heisman.

Amazing how the media builds an athlete or celebrity up only to gleefully yank the carpet out from under them the first chance they get.

The NCAA and college football are some of the biggest crooks out there. To make millions upon million of dollars on these kids efforts and to suspend them for selling jerseys or autographs is ridiculous.
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I agree with all of that.

I think the NCAA is full of **** especially.
 
Does A&M just suck at covering this kind of stuff up? UT, USC, the U, LSU, Bama, etc seem to at least protect their guys until they get out of the college ranks.

The NCAA's random enforcement of their rules is what has made them a joke.
 
As more info comes out, it looks like his buddy/personal assistant Nate is the one who said manziel will need to be paid for any autograph sessions. It's possible though unlikely that if payment was made nate is the one who is getting the cash and was using manziel and thinking he found a loophole and manziel never saw a dime.

Nate is the guy who said the racial slur that got Johnny into the fight a year ago.

<sigh> why do these guys put themselves in the hands of their buddies who don't know what the hell they are doing??
 
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At this rate it's going to be a push; 0.

NCAA is stupid slow at processing these things. I'd expect he plays this years and they suspend him after the fact. That seems to be their thing.
 
Stemp said:
As more info comes out, it looks like his buddy/personal assistant Nate is the one who said manziel will need to be paid for any autograph sessions. It's possible though unlikely that if payment was made nate is the one who is getting the cash and was using manziel and thinking he found a loophole and manziel never saw a dime.

Nate is the guy who said the racial slur that got Johnny into the fight a year ago.

<sigh> why do these guys put themselves in the hands of their buddies who don't know what the hell they are doing??
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Manziel can do no wrong in your eyes eh? Oh yeah, it had to be his buddy's idea, because Manziel isnt smart enough to hatch a scheme where his buddy is the fence.
 
Stemp said:
As more info comes out, it looks like his buddy/personal assistant Nate is the one who said manziel will need to be paid for any autograph sessions. It's possible though unlikely that if payment was made nate is the one who is getting the cash and was using manziel and thinking he found a loophole and manziel never saw a dime.

Nate is the guy who said the racial slur that got Johnny into the fight a year ago.

<sigh> why do these guys put themselves in the hands of their buddies who don't know what the hell they are doing??
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Why do you keep trying to make excuses for his actions?

I mean, I get that you're an A&M guy but can you not take a logical look at Manziel?

I've seen parents that view their kids with less bias.

You have blamed everyone except Manziel for any trouble/drama he's gotten into. The media, his parents, his money, peoples perception of hi, his friend, fans, haters....

Are you his publicist?

The kid has some things he needs to work on. He's young, hopefully he gets it figured out.
 
Blake said:
Manziel can do no wrong in your eyes eh? Oh yeah, it had to be his buddy's idea, because Manziel isnt smart enough to hatch a scheme where his buddy is the fence.
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What part of "though unlikely" did you just either miss or completely ignore??

Manziel's a smart guy and IF this happened and he's guilty, it's on him.
Plus, he let his buddy who already got him in trouble to run point and speak for him with people. Not a smart move.

But what do we know for sure? That he signed a bunch of stuff, that the NCAA has been looking into this for 3 months, though ESPN waited till the day before camp opens to break the story, that "unnamed sources" have said his buddy/PA told them that there will be no more free autograph sessions and that no one has said or given any proof that Manziel accepted payment for autographs.

An wrongdoing is simply speculation at this point and no witness has said he did anything the wrong. Every piece of this story is speculation other than the fact that the NCAA is investigating and that he signed stuff.
 
Rey said:
Why do you keep trying to make excuses for his actions?

I mean, I get that you're an A&M guy but can you not take a logical look at Manziel?

I've seen parents that view their kids with less bias.

You have blamed everyone except Manziel for any trouble/drama he's gotten into. The media, his parents, his money, peoples perception of hi, his friend, fans, haters....

Are you his publicist?

The kid has some things he needs to work on. He's young, hopefully he gets it figured out.
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Oh his parents are for sure culpable in whatever comes of this. How they could allow/enable their son to do some of this stuff is beyond me. Especially allowing a buddy who has already gotten him into trouble to be his personal assistant and manage much of his life outside of football. That is just DUMB.
 
Stemp said:
Oh his parents are for sure culpable in whatever comes of this. How they could allow/enable their son to do some of this stuff is beyond me. Especially allowing a buddy who has already gotten him into trouble to be his personal assistant and manage much of his life outside of football. That is just DUMB.
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Because he's 18+ and he can in reality do what he wants when he wants, if he so desires. His parents really have no claim on him at this point if they really tried to enforce it, you'll only end up in a bad spot.
 
Stemp said:
Oh his parents are for sure culpable in whatever comes of this. How they could allow/enable their son to do some of this stuff is beyond me. Especially allowing a buddy who has already gotten him into trouble to be his personal assistant and manage much of his life outside of football. That is just DUMB.
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I'm not going to say that his parents don't shoulder some blame. They raised him. I have no idea what kind of parents they were though.

What I want to know is this: Manziel is 20 years old...At what point does a string of questionable behavior and possible mistakes get squarely placed on his decision making?

If this was VY, how would you feel about it? Do we care that VY grew up in a tough situation and struggled with things when we ridicule him?

At some point, everybody has got to be their own man/woman. He needs to look in the mirror and ask himself if he's doing anything to bring this drama in his life.
 
silvrhand said:
Because he's 18+ and he can in reality do what he wants when he wants, if he so desires. His parents really have no claim on him at this point if they really tried to enforce it, you'll only end up in a bad spot.
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Not entirely true. They fund much of his lifestyle and he leans on them a lot.
They could manage him better and have a greater say but they appear to be enablers more than anything.

If someone raises a spoiled child, who is responsible when they continue to act as they were raised as they become adults??

And how do you teach them to be responsible and learn the lessons many of us did as children when the stakes weren't so high?

He definitely need to stop being a 20 year old kid and grow up, but I don't think he knows how and his parents and friends who would normally be the ones offering guidance are certainly not helping.
 
Don't care how much money you have. After reading all the latest articles it is clear to see that this Manziel apple didn't fall far from the tree. I doubt Johnny sees September as the Aggies QB and Mom & Dad will be blaming Texas A&M and many more for Johnny's self destruction and fall from grace.
 
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Stemp said:
Not entirely true. They fund much of his lifestyle and he leans on them a lot.
They could manage him better and have a greater say but they appear to be enablers more than anything.

If someone raises a spoiled child, who is responsible when they continue to act as they were raised as they become adults??

And how do you teach them to be responsible and learn the lessons many of us did as children when the stakes weren't so high?

He definitely need to stop being a 20 year old kid and grow up, but I don't think he knows how and his parents and friends who would normally be the ones offering guidance are certainly not helping.
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I've always told my kids, if you don't learn your life's lessons while you are at home, you will likely learn your lessons through your principal, your boss, the police, or the judge.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I would hate to be A&M's HC 1 month before the season.........and not knowing squat......:kitten:
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I believe in Sumlin. If Manziel does get suspended, I sincerely hope everyone who called him a system QB was right :D
If not... well, we're going to have to do something as far as our offense is concerned, because the defense isn't going to win us any games. Too much inexperience.
 
I am starting to smell a David Carr part Duex coming out of Aggie land. Manziel's family will be his undoing.
 
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