LZs premiere 2009 Mock has us taking a DT. No Way !

[beerlover]

FYI- after watching the Senior Bowl I'll bet LZ downgrades Peria Jerry. I would be sick if the Texans used the 15th pick on him, I suppose if they trade down somewhere in the 20's I could live with it depending on what they aquire in return. It's very tricky evaulating DT's. they need to be challenged against NFL type talent to guesstimate how effective they might be @ the next level. for the most part a talent like Raji or Jerry can dominate 90% of the College talent, its that other 10% that worrys me

 

[mussop]

FYI- after watching the Senior Bowl I'll bet LZ downgrades Peria Jerry. I would be sick if the Texans used the 15th pick on him, I suppose if they trade down somewhere in the 20's I could live with it depending on what they aquire in return. It's very tricky evaulating DT's. they need to be challenged against NFL type talent to guesstimate how effective they might be @ the next level. for the most part a talent like Raji or Jerry can dominate 90% of the College talent, its that other 10% that worrys me

Why would he downgrade Peria after the Senior Bowl? He had a good week IMO. To many of you are putting too much imphasis on the actual game. The practice is way more telling than an allstar game play.

 

[beerlover]

Why would he downgrade Peria after the Senior Bowl? He had a good week IMO. To many of you are putting too much imphasis on the actual game. The practice is way more telling than an allstar game play.

you must breakdown the tape. Peria seemed to dominate but on closer viewing he did not dominate everybody. thats the concern, when one particular player has the ability to shutdown someone considered to be the more elite talent. same thing happened to Raji so I'm not just picking on Peria, who I really like, its about being accurate in final grades as talent assesors. like I said game tape does not lie & if I know Lance when he gets time once he breaks it down his opinion will change based on the facts from this week in Mobile. really nothing more than that.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Why would he downgrade Peria after the Senior Bowl? He had a good week IMO. To many of you are putting too much imphasis on the actual game. The practice is way more telling than an allstar game play.

Because in the practices leading up to the game he apparently had struggles with the better NFL linemen. The guys who will start, or are expected to be able to start. In other words, he wasn't anything special against talent believed to be his equal in a drill that favored him more so than the OL.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

you love the physical presence he brings....I got it.

Yes.

But paying two Middle line backers top thirty two money is what is out in left field here.

Why would it be two MLB? Also, Ryans wasn't a top 30 pick technically. Also, as I keep stating, Ryans was an OLB who adapted to the MLB role. If Rey Maualuga starts at SAM, he is thus a SAM. His role has thus adapted. We have then put our three best players onto the field together. Re-read my posts; I've never once suggested Maualuga come off the bench. I've stated that Ryans and Maualuga should play together. Thus, we wouldn't have two "top 30" MLB's.

If you want to move Ryans out just say so.

If it is best for the team, then yes. Why not be open to the idea of upgrading multiple positions with one pick? If the position precedence has been there before in a player, why shouldn't it be done? Either way, with both of them on the field, it is an upgrade.

Is Ray better than Ryans?

No. Ryans is an All-Pro NFL player. Rey Maualuga is a very good amateur prospect. This question itself is unfounded and begs the question. In other words, why ask it; the question is poor enough to be thrown out.

Or are you going to pay two Middle line backers top thirty three money ? Inquiring minds wish to know ? It just makes no damn sense YTF.

Well, I could probably come up with a handful of terms to better question it, but "inquiring" minds leaves a lot on the table. I've talked about this already. At this point you are simply repeating your confusion and hoping that an intelligent and reasoned response won't be given. Enough has been said about that as is, however.

Your gamble here is this guy will be able to flip his hips and run with the Dallas Clarks of the NFL world. And I'm saying when pigs fly.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1217565

You put far too much into what you don't understand. He ran a 4.5 coming out of HS according to the link provided. Re-watch the USC vs. tOSU game this year.

We'll see next month at the combine.

Yes.

Now if you're going to drop the guy at rush end.....

Was it not you who emphatically and specifically stated that Maualuga could not blitz? Was it not you who declared with certainty that he could not do what you are now actually implying he might best succeed at?

 

[threetoedpete]

John McClain:

I don't know why fans want Ryans moved. He's 6-1, 250. He's smart, instinctive and a leader. And he's not real fast. He's an MLB, not an OLB. He played hurt last season, too, and sitll led the team in tackles. I don't see him moving unless they have a MLB rated so high and if he's still on the board at 15, they'd have to take him.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/01/join_mondays_live_chat_at_1130.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by threetoepete
Now if you're going to drop the guy at rush end.....

Was it not you who emphatically and specifically stated that Maualuga could not blitz? Was it not you who declared with certainty that he could not do what you are now actually implying he might best succeed at?

you are correct Einstein.

The guy that can do both will be the pick at fifteen. And it ain't ray.

 

[TimeKiller]

Demeco Ryans is "not real fast"?

Fo cereal?

He only gets across one t.v. screen in 4 seconds? **** John McClain's opinion on speed.

There's nothing about Maualuga and Ryans in the same unit that sucks.

 

[threetoedpete]

Why would he downgrade Peria after the Senior Bowl? He had a good week IMO. To many of you are putting too much emphasis on the actual game. The practice is way more telling than an all star game play.

Not as much as you are....that there thingy is a classic.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Demeco Ryans is "not real fast"?

Fo cereal?

He only gets across one t.v. screen in 4 seconds? **** John McClain's opinion on speed.

There's nothing about Maualuga and Ryans in the same unit that sucks.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=16817&draftyear=2006&genpos=OLB

Demeco ran a 4.66 in 2006 plus he plays faster than his times .

 

[mussop]

Not as much as you are....that there thingy is a classic.

What are you talking about????

 

[bah007]

Not as much as you are....that there thingy is a classic.

Come on pete. You have to understand his point.

That game is watered down. The schemes are all very basic and you can't really highlight a lot of the players strengths in a situation like that.

Man on man is a good way to practice, but it isn't an honest simulation of a real game.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Come on pete. You have to understand his point.

That game is watered down. The schemes are all very basic and you can't really highlight a lot of the players strengths in a situation like that.

Man on man is a good way to practice, but it isn't an honest simulation of a real game.

The one thing Jerry has going for him is he played well in the SEC .

 

[mussop]

you must breakdown the tape. Peria seemed to dominate but on closer viewing he did not dominate everybody. thats the concern, when one particular player has the ability to shutdown someone considered to be the more elite talent. same thing happened to Raji so I'm not just picking on Peria, who I really like, its about being accurate in final grades as talent assesors. like I said game tape does not lie & if I know Lance when he gets time once he breaks it down his opinion will change based on the facts from this week in Mobile. really nothing more than that.

How funny I just found this.
http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/01/qa_with_rob_rang_from_nfldraft.html

I really hope the Texans are able to do something other than add another DT in the first round. What did you think of Jerrry's performance in the game and did it change your thoughts of him being the Texan's pick at 15?

Thanks,

LZ As for Jerry, I haven't seen all of the game and I don't really get too worked up over it anyway. The practices are much more important.

 

[threetoedpete]

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=16817&draftyear=2006&genpos=OLB

Demeco ran a 4.66 in 2006 plus he plays faster than his times .

I know he did Earl....but that was three years ago....watch him drop back and cover now. He can still do it.....barely. Might be the ankles. I'd say he's lost a step. He's put on more weight for sure.

 

[mussop]

Not as much as you are....that there thingy is a classic.

??????????????????? Still dont know what you are talking about.

 

[mexican_texan]

OT N 64
William Beatty UConn

OT N 68
Xavier Fulton Illinois

OT N 79
Phil Loadholt Oklahoma

OT S 76
Troy Kropog Tulane

OT S 77
Jason Watkins Florida

OT S 74
Michael Oher Mississippi

Interior players.

C N 51
Alex Mack California

C N 60
Max Unger Oregon

C N 72
Ryan Shuman Virginia Tech

C S 59
Antoine Caldwell Alabama

C S 60
Eric Wood Louisville

C S 63
Jonathan Luigs Arkansas

OG N 63
Kraig Urbik Wisconsin

OG N 66
Andy Levitre Oregon State

OG N 76
Trevor Canfield Cincinnati

OG S 71
Tyronne Green Auburn

OG S 75
Anthony Parker Tennessee

OG S 79
Herman Johnson LSU

Tulane guy might be it.