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Looking Ahead - 2007 Draft

Kaiser Toro said:
In professional sports players get paid to perform, not to sit. When you invest in someone in the NFL, which has a career expectancy of 4 years, you must get a return on investment immediately. The QB position, is one where a kid out of college should sit right away to learn the intricacies of the game. I just prefer for it not be on favorite team's dime.
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I completly agree - well said. Better to spend money else where. :highfive:
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Landry will not go top 10. He would have been lucky to go top 40 this year. He will be a first rounder though. Whitner, who went #8 is better. Simpson, who I feel is the second best FS drafted, went in the fourth because of attitude problems in his interview. That has nothing to do with his football ability. Lawson played DE last year, but he's playing OLB now. People can change positions for the NFL.
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Are you on crack? Laron would have been gone in the first round this year easily. Look at his numbers he has better than any of the other safeties in the 2006 draft by far. He started as a true freshman and led the team in tackles as freshman. He has been the leader of tigers defense since hes been there. Watch a film of him he is all over the field. he is always around the ball. He has played both FS and SS. There is no flaw in he game.
 
Smokedawg said:
Are you on crack? Laron would have been gone in the first round this year easily. Look at his numbers he has better than any of the other safeties in the 2006 draft by far. He started as a true freshman and led the team in tackles as freshman. He has been the leader of tigers defense since hes been there. Watch a film of him he is all over the field. he is always around the ball. He has played both FS and SS. There is no flaw in he game.
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No, I am not on any durg paraphanalia. Numbers are fairly meaning less. You have to look at this as who needed him compared to the other players available. Whittner, Huff, Bullocks, and J Williams all would have gone ahead of him still.
 
HoneymoonIsOver said:
Unless you are the Texans. If you are the Texans you keep making excuses for your failure until reality smacks you right in the face....which it did...and we STILL kept Carr. Why some people are still enamored with Carr I will never know. I guarantee you if he was black half these posters would be calling for his head, but reality is he is white and a good ole boy so everyone just keeps making excuses. Carr gets apologies made for him by the organization, media, fans, but for some reason I have never heard any teammates step up for him and back him up...that seems a bit fish and quite telling IMHO

doug from the woodlands
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You know what doug....I never thought about that, but you are absolutely right...IMO if carr was black he would have been gone...M.Vick has done Way more than Carr, and in my opinion is the better QB of the two...but yet people are so negative towards Vick when all he does is win....But at the same time, I do believe Carr deserves a chance just because of one thing....our coaches were so bad last yr. it was pathetic, and I don't know how any QB could fully develop in such a basisc system...But u were right on about the race thing, IMO.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You know what doug....I never thought about that, but you are absolutely right...IMO if carr was black he would have been gone...M.Vick has done Way more than Carr, and in my opinion is the better QB of the two...but yet people are so negative towards Vick when all he does is win....But at the same time, I do believe Carr deserves a chance just because of one thing....our coaches were so bad last yr. it was pathetic, and I don't know how any QB could fully develop in such a basisc system...But u were right on about the race thing, IMO.
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I will be diasagreeing on the race card given that two different regimes had a referendum on Carr and decided to pay him a lot of money in both instances after, gulp, careful evaluations.

I am no Carr apologist, definitely not a racist and a fan of Vick but would not want him on my team. This was a football decision, one I do not agree with, but would be very careful in trying to hint at justifying my dislike via the race card.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You know what doug....I never thought about that, but you are absolutely right...IMO if carr was black he would have been gone...M.Vick has done Way more than Carr, and in my opinion is the better QB of the two...but yet people are so negative towards Vick when all he does is win....But at the same time, I do believe Carr deserves a chance just because of one thing....our coaches were so bad last yr. it was pathetic, and I don't know how any QB could fully develop in such a basisc system...But u were right on about the race thing, IMO.
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Stuff like that is exactly why I have doug on my ignore list. You are seriously going to tell me that our entire organization is racist, simply because they are choosing to keep carr? And the fans are racist because we aren't calling for his head? I will agree that Vick is better than Carr, but i think there are 30ish other nfl qb's better than carr. I suppose you think the organization is racist because they cut Tony Banks? This is a ridiculous point IMO. Why are people so quick to play the race card?
 
swtbound07 said:
Stuff like that is exactly why I have doug on my ignore list. You are seriously going to tell me that our entire organization is racist, simply because they are choosing to keep carr? And the fans are racist because we aren't calling for his head? I will agree that Vick is better than Carr, but i think there are 30ish other nfl qb's better than carr. I suppose you think the organization is racist because they cut Tony Banks? This is a ridiculous point IMO. Why are people so quick to play the race card?
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oh noes...i am on ignore...run for the hills

my point is that they have and still are cutting a lot of slack for Carr. I didnt say that they kept him because he is white, i said that if he was black he would not get as much slack from the organization, media, or fans. Thus with less slack he would have been gone and not renewed based on his production on the field. What has Carr shown anyone that brings this blind faith? He has had about 5-6 quarters of football that were of NFL Starter quality much less NFL Franchise QB quality. Not to mention most of that production was against KC, Vikes and Rams...teams not exactly known for their defensive acumen.

as for the argument that two different regimes have believed in him, I present this argument. Cass and Capes HAD to back Carr because he was their pick. Period. End of story. Kubiak HAD to back Carr because McNair wanted a coach that was willing to work with Carr and help him improve. If Kubes would have said that he felt we needed a new QB, I am not sure Kubes would be the coach.

McNair feels like most of Carr homers, in that he feels the instability at OL and the primitive Offensive Scheme hindered Carr's progress. Could yall be right? Sure you could, and I could be wrong. My thing is that I have watched every game and Carr does not have what it takes to be a Franchise NFL QB which is how he is being paid. Most of Carr's most productive players are dumping the ball off to Davis or throwing a screen pass to AJ. My thinking says that we could get just about anyone to do that. Banks has been a better QB for this team than Carr and that is just sad. But we backed up the Brinks truck to pay Carr for some reason and I feel its mostly due to a lack of admitting failure and ineptitude by both the regime and the QB himself.

I am hoping for the best but based on a 4 year body of work, I feel we shouldnt get our hopes to high. The guy cant read defenses, does not make the players around him better, has shown little leadership, and has been a LOSING QB. Just because the guy can throw a 60yd spiral on the run, doesnt make him a good NFL QB. All that does it show that he has the physical tools to throw deep. He shows very little touch on his passes and is pretty much the same QB he was in Year One. That does not bode well.

But people can call me a negative fan that has some sort of agenda against Carr. That is fine, but I called my shot last year and predicted 3-13 when everyone else was saying playoffs. I predicted that based on our talent at QB, CB, DL, and OL. We improved our depth at DL and OL over the last few years (at a huge price :mario: ) but still HUGE questions remain at QB and CB. HOpefully we can get something done this year and Carr proves me wrong...just dont hold your breath

doug from the woodlands
unabashed realist
 
Smokedawg said:
Are you on crack? Laron would have been gone in the first round this year easily. Look at his numbers he has better than any of the other safeties in the 2006 draft by far. He started as a true freshman and led the team in tackles as freshman. He has been the leader of tigers defense since hes been there. Watch a film of him he is all over the field. he is always around the ball. He has played both FS and SS. There is no flaw in he game.
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O, and with a name like Smokedawg, one could easily question if YOU are the one on drugs.
 
The way that i see it is put yourself in Carr's shoes... live his life for a full NFL Season/Off-Season...

Picture this.. You know how to play QB you know how to lead your team to a victory and YOU know what it takes but your Head Coach is not very good offensively, your Offensive Coordinator was a simpleton and your GM wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw either. And as if that didnt suck enough guess what?? The Big Hogs that are supposed to be protecting you... AREN'T PROTECTING YOU!!! By the way your #1 RB keeps getting hurt.. Oh wait and the grand finale.. Your Recievers are droppin passes (cough*Bradford*cough).

Now put into a situation like that how well do you think that you will perform?? Do you think that you will pull a Peyton Manning and put up 4000+ yards and 45+ TDS?? If you think that you can then you need to put the drugs away and snap out of it..

This aint a race card thing and this aint a making up excuses thing.. this is a facts thing.. His coaches were horrible, his line was horrible and the offensive system was horrible. Every football fan knows that. Name a QB that led his team to greatness with Not Much Talent Around Him, A Injury Prone RB and a Horrible Head Coach... Go ahead...

What I'm saying is that before we right Carr off as this total bust.. we need to see what he can do with a REAL coach. Gary Kubiak is a Shanahan disciple, so we all expect major things from his and what he brings to the table.. Now if Carr performs the way he has in the past and we dont see a different offense then I dont have anything against getting rid of Carr.

Like I said in a earlier post Brian Brohm and Brady Quinn we'll be declaring next year so we could take a stab at one of them if Carr is not catching on but as of the right now.. Preseason hasnt even started and this "Fire Carr" thread has already started.. Give this guy a shot with a little bit better o-line, a great recieving duo, a strong running system and a good head coach and he flops this season then Blast on Carr all you want.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You know what doug....I never thought about that, but you are absolutely right...IMO if carr was black he would have been gone...M.Vick has done Way more than Carr, and in my opinion is the better QB of the two...but yet people are so negative towards Vick when all he does is win....But at the same time, I do believe Carr deserves a chance just because of one thing....our coaches were so bad last yr. it was pathetic, and I don't know how any QB could fully develop in such a basisc system...But u were right on about the race thing, IMO.
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I think we can make a better distinction after this year. The two will be in the same type of offense, the West Coast offense which Carr says is pretty much what he played in college. Carr has been second to him in rushing though.
 
El Tejano said:
I think we can make a better distinction after this year. The two will be in the same type of offense, the West Coast offense which Carr says is pretty much what he played in college. Carr has been second to him in rushing though.
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and passing, and winning....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
and passing, and winning....
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No seriously. Second meaning out of all the other QBs, he has been second in rushing. The difference is Carr has been running for his life as to where Vick just runs.
 
Compare David Carr to mike vick AFTER he has a .500 season or the texans smell the playoffs....the difference between vick and carr is that Vick is good.
 
El Tejano said:
No seriously. Second meaning out of all the other QBs, he has been second in rushing. The difference is Carr has been running for his life as to where Vick just runs.
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I know what you meant....I was just noting that thats not the only category Carr comes in second tier or lower:twocents: ...
 
HeartofHouston said:
The way that i see it is put yourself in Carr's shoes... live his life for a full NFL Season/Off-Season...

Picture this.. You know how to play QB you know how to lead your team to a victory and YOU know what it takes but your Head Coach is not very good offensively, your Offensive Coordinator was a simpleton and your GM wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw either. And as if that didnt suck enough guess what?? The Big Hogs that are supposed to be protecting you... AREN'T PROTECTING YOU!!! By the way your #1 RB keeps getting hurt.. Oh wait and the grand finale.. Your Recievers are droppin passes (cough*Bradford*cough).

Now put into a situation like that how well do you think that you will perform?? Do you think that you will pull a Peyton Manning and put up 4000+ yards and 45+ TDS?? If you think that you can then you need to put the drugs away and snap out of it..

This aint a race card thing and this aint a making up excuses thing.. this is a facts thing.. His coaches were horrible, his line was horrible and the offensive system was horrible. Every football fan knows that. Name a QB that led his team to greatness with Not Much Talent Around Him, A Injury Prone RB and a Horrible Head Coach... Go ahead...

What I'm saying is that before we right Carr off as this total bust.. we need to see what he can do with a REAL coach. Gary Kubiak is a Shanahan disciple, so we all expect major things from his and what he brings to the table.. Now if Carr performs the way he has in the past and we dont see a different offense then I dont have anything against getting rid of Carr.

Like I said in a earlier post Brian Brohm and Brady Quinn we'll be declaring next year so we could take a stab at one of them if Carr is not catching on but as of the right now.. Preseason hasnt even started and this "Fire Carr" thread has already started.. Give this guy a shot with a little bit better o-line, a great recieving duo, a strong running system and a good head coach and he flops this season then Blast on Carr all you want.
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If Casserly and the entire Capers staff was so inept, were they just lucky in picking Carr because you basically say they got everything else wrong.

Also, you seem to blame the line categorically as for Carr's sack problems. Remember this, the offensive line doesn't call the plays, actually they are told what to do. The offensive line doesn't read the defensive secondary, buy the time to make a pass or throw it away, run routes, and/or catch the football. All of those elements are completely out of their control, and depending how good those elements are executed, their jobs are made either easier or harder. My main question is, does Carr make his teammates better? I don't think so because I haven't seen it.

As for waiting on Carr to see if he is bust is a gamble too. We were sitting at #1 this year with an opportunity to take a franchise quarterback, which doesn't happen very often. Sure you can #1 one year, but that quarterback needs to be available. For example, last year Alex Smith was picked #1, geezzzz. I'm glad we weren't stuck with that pick.

Everyone on the offense, defense, special teams, and probably the guy washing the jocks, needs to step up this year and show they are worth it. Carr has a lot to prove and has a lot work to do, which is evident because of the time is spending this off season, as well as everyone else. It seems Carr's has more work to do with Kubiak than just learning the system.

The worst case scenario I see is that Carr is mediocre but still keeps his job because there is no one else available to replace him. Let's face it, beyond the top 5 or 6 quarterbacks, these guys are kind of all the same and you can't pin your hopes on them. These guys can probably be interchangeable to an extent you have a good system and they fit that system at some point.

However, if our defense is strong enough and the running game can improve on what has been in the past, maybe we don't have to really rely on Carr to win games as much as not to lose them. Similar to another Fresno State quarterback with a Super Bowl ring, Trent Dilfer. Also, think of Brad Johnson and even Big Ben.
 
HeartofHouston said:
I know it's a little pre-mature for this topic to even be posted but I'm bored and I was just curious and what you guys think..

Okay 2007 Draft who do you see us going after with our 1st Round Pick??

Me personally i have a couple of situational picks...

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1 - Lets just say that david Carr doesnt pan out well in this offense or for some reason just cant pick it up.. then likely we'll have a top 10 pick.

We should be taking a long look at Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) or Brian Brohm (Louisville).. If David Carr is struggling or is not picking up the offense using the high first rounder on one of these guys will let Carr know that either: "You Get With The Program or You're Outta Here" and it could either ignite a fire under Carr that gives him a Drew Brees "resurrection" season...

or it could eat away at him and if that's the case we have our QB of the future that was been learning the system and coming along slowly ready to get into the starting lineup and David Carr is now trade bait and I know for sure that we can get something on the first day for a very tough smart QB David Carr.
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2 - If things turn out a little better and it's not Carr's Fault let's just say that it was the defense that just wasnt coming along for whatever reason. We end up with a middle to late 1st round pick.. Then we have a few options..

S LaRon Landry (LSU) or CB Leon Hall (Mich) or S Brandon Merriweather (The U) or CB Daymeion Hughes (Cal) any of these guys could be a upgrade over our DBs (minus D-Rob). Landry is back for his senior year.. he was already considered the best safety last year, now imagine if he stays healthy he could end up being better this year. Leon Hall was crowned by Michigan coaches as the best Defensive Player since Charles Woodson left the program.

Our 2nd Cornerback position is looking a little iffy and we could bring one of these guys in and have them fight it out with Faggins or McKenzie for the spot. At the Safety position Glenn Earl has been solid for us so the SS is not a need so we go to FS where Merriwheather has been an absolute monster since Sean Taylor left the position.
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3 - Lets just say for some reason the running game is just not adding up for some reason (which is highly unlikely- "come on it's Coack Kube's system) or let's say that DD cant stay healthy again but we end up in the middle to lower half of the first round.. because of good Qb and good defense..

Micheal Bush (Louisville), Marshawn Lynch (Cal) and Antonio Pittman (OSU - Jr) could possibly fall to the middle-late first. Bush is an absolute Monster at 6'3 248lbs and runs a 4.53 this guy could absolutely punish LB and DBs when they come in for the tackle. Bush hits the hole with authority. Lynch is a not as big but he is smart and instinctive. Antonio Pittman is FAST... he doesnt do a lot of dancing he just gets the ball and runs right pass people.
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4 - Finally lets say that everything turns out well we end up with the bottom quarter of the first round.. we could trade out of the first and pick up and extra 2nd and 3rd.

2 - OT Gosder Cherilus (BC), CB Fred Bennett (SCSU)
3 - HB Tyrone Moss (The U) and BPA

We could possibly still add starters and add depth by doing this in the up and coming draft..

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Once again I know this is pre-mature. But just for laughs and giggles and to keep our eyes open on the up and coming talent.. what do you guys think?.. who would you like to see as a Texan??
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wy brady Q... why not 6f 6 Jarmarcus Russel from LSU if he declares himself for the draft... Im scared that Brady will be another Carr.
 
threetoedpete said:
Who floated this turd back to the top of the bowl ?
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hahaha nice.

just saw this on www.nfldraftcountdown.com

It's about underclassmen that declared for the draft.

Rory Johnson LB Ole Miss JR
Dwayne Wright RB Fresno St. JR

What do y'all think about them...mainly wright because I don't know much of him but that a lot of people like him.

Rory Johnson is a great outside linebacker. I only know because I go to ole miss and watch patrick willis every play. half the time i'm like yea way to go pwillie but see its #48 rory johnson.

He is listed at #15 on their olb ranking. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/olb.html

maybe they don't think too highly...could be a real steal.

what about wright?
 
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