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Loftin was given authority as to conference alignment yesterday.

Expect things to simmer down for a few days, for A&M to negotiate exit fees and other stuff then make a move very quickly after and without much notice.
 
I may be an Aggie, but I have no problem laughing at my school :)

And I hope Ole Miss Texan sees this:

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As a Texas fan I'll add my take.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! - I graduated from Sam Houston. I have been a Texas fan my entire life and wanted to attend school there, but my parents couldn't afford it. They also didn't want me paying off loans for my entire life so UT was off the table. Some people thinks that means I'm not a true fan, or that I'm a t shirt fan. And guess what? I could care less. They have always and will always be my team. And my twin brother is a lifelong fan of the Aggies. He even lived in College Station while he was attending Blinn. Therefore, I think I have the unique insight of a person who is actually a fan of both programs.
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As far as the Texas situation goes, I don't think they did anything wrong. Nobody would have turned down what they were offered, and they would have been fools to turn it down themselves.

It all comes down to what is fair. Does fair mean giving everybody the same thing? Or does fair mean giving everybody what they deserve? Texas brings in the most revenue for the Big XII, that is why they receive the most revenue. Is that fair? Some say no.

In my opinion, this is the Big XII's fault. They have let Texas embarrass them. They let Texas walk all over them and give in to their every request. They know that they cannot afford to lose Texas. If they do, they lose the largest piece of revenue.

And by never stepping up to Texas and drawing a line in the sand, they have become Texas' hostage. Because Texas now knows that the Big XII will do anything to keep them.

There needs to be a time when the Big XII steps up and says, "These are the conference's guidelines, and EVERYBODY needs to follow them." But that time has never come, and I doubt it ever will.

Texas has become bigger than the conference, and that should never happen.

Does this make Texas look greedy? Yes. But is it wrong? I don't know. If they can earn more than the other schools then why should they be held back from maximizing their brand?


As for A&M, I say do what is best for A&M. As long as the Aggies and Longhorns still play every year, I could care less what conference they are in. Just like UT, why should A&M be held back?

I don’t understand why some UT fans are upset about A&M trying to leave. They are just trying to maximize their revenue, which is exactly what Texas has done.

This is different than Nebraska. Nebraska left because Oklahoma and Texas passed them by. They were the golden goose when the Big XII started, and they got left in the dust. They offered up plenty of excuses as to why they were leaving, but they left because they couldn’t keep up. They ran away.

This is more like Colorado. And no, I am not saying that Colorado is equal to A&M. I am saying the situations are more similar. Colorado got a better offer, so they left. A&M is trying to get themselves a better offer, and if they get one, they should take it.

I also happen to think that A&M would fit in well with the SEC. I think that they would get dogged on the football field for at least a few years. But culturally, A&M has always seemed more like an SEC school to me anyway.

All in all, if A&M leaves, I wish them well. As a Texas fan, I am only worried about two things:

1) I hope that they don't throw away our rivalry. I know that UT wants to keep it. As much as the fanbases seem to hate each other, we have always been brothers.
2) A&M going to the SEC would change recruiting in the state of Texas. It would invite those schools to invade the state, and it would take away any recruiting advantage that A&M thinks they would gain by going over there. It would also affect Texas. As much as we like to think it wouldn't, it would.

Sorry for the length of the post, folks.
 
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oh yeah well my school is on FOx,no ...NBC ( no they have the golden domers)CBS, No...can I get them on versus maybe.... Ok I'll settle for the UPN...no...public access....hold on let me do a search for UTSA football....ok it comes up between Undercover Hotties pay per view and Violent Femmes reunion tour...WTF..oh well go Roadrunners

stop your bitchin aggies and uters...least your school is relavent..God I cant even spell that right...crumple crumple...at least the degree fits in trash can....
 
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Aggies can't stand ignoring a UT thread that has nothing to do with them. While I respect a lot of Aggie friends I have, this looks like penis envy again.
 
Super Mario said:
Aggies can't stand ignoring a UT thread that has nothing to do with them. While I respect a lot of Aggie friends I have, this looks like penis envy again.
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My take on the fans of both sides has always been this:

90% of Texas fans are just people who love the Longhorns and hold no grudge against A&M other than the fact that we are rivals. But the other 10% are just arrogant jackasses who think that being a fan of a certain team somehow makes them "better" than people who choose to cheer for a different team.

90% of A&M fans are just people who love the Aggies and hold no grudge against Texas other than the fact that we are rivals. But the other 10% suffer from a severe inferiority complex and think that they must constantly prove that A&M is just as good as Texas.

The really bad part is that these small 10% populations do most of the talking. And that is why everyone on the outside thinks that Longhorns are pricks and Aggies are retarded.
 
bah007 said:
My take on the fans of both sides has always been this:

90% of Texas fans are just people who love the Longhorns and hold no grudge against A&M other than the fact that we are rivals. But the other 10% are just arrogant jackasses who think that being a fan of a certain team somehow makes them "better" than people who choose to cheer for a different team.

90% of A&M fans are just people who love the Aggies and hold no grudge against Texas other than the fact that we are rivals. But the other 10% suffer from a severe inferiority complex and think that they must constantly prove that A&M is just as good as Texas.

The really bad part is that these small 10% populations do most of the talking. And that is why everyone on the outside thinks that Longhorns are pricks and Aggies are retarded.
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Good post. To be honest I think this is how 99% of any fan base is. There are always those bad apples that are going to give the fan-base a bad name to others.
 
Stemp said:
And now it's official. A&M is moving out...
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It's gonna cost them if they do. Texas and OU both declined the dollars from the Nebraska & Colorado payout. As a contingent to stay, only a year ago, A&M demanded all of the money. If they choose to leave so soon afterwards, the small schools are going to be out for blood when it comes to departure fees.

Not that fees are a reason to stay, but it is going to cost them.
 
Stemp said:
And now it's official. A&M is moving out...
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Good for them. I would love to be in the SEC with relevant opponents almost every week. The problem for them might be they may not be a relevant opponent to most teams there, though I hope that is not the case. I will root for them over there.

I just wish Texas would get out of the Big XII. Besides OU it's pretty much a bore for me.
 
Texas is going to try and replace the Thanksgiving UT/A&M game with UT/Notre Dame.

I wonder if this is the begining of that Texas/N.D. ******** superconference that was being rumored a few weeks ago when it was more clear that the Aggies were leaving.
 
Texas may schedule a home and home with ND, but it won't be for thanksgiving. ND already plays either Stanford or USC Thanksgiving weekend. They may give up Stanford, but they aren't going to give up the USC game for Texas. And they sure aren't going to join the Big 12-3 when they've already spurned the Big East and the Big 10. Their donor alums are adamant about staying independent and their alums control the purse strings for the school and AD.
 
Stemp said:
Texas may schedule a home and home with ND, but it won't be for thanksgiving. ND already plays either Stanford or USC Thanksgiving weekend. They may give up Stanford, but they aren't going to give up the USC game for Texas. And they sure aren't going to join the Big 12-3 when they've already spurned the Big East and the Big 10. Their donor alums are adamant about staying independent and their alums control the purse strings for the school and AD.
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While N.D. may feel as though independence is apart of their identity, they will start feeling left out if superconferences form (say 4 conferences of 16 teams each) and they don't have a chair when the music stops. Also, N.D.'s deal with NBC isn't that great compared to the money schools in the SEC/BigXII/Big10 get from their deals with the conference. Throw Pac-12 in there now as well I think.
 
b0ng said:
While N.D. may feel as though independence is apart of their identity, they will start feeling left out if superconferences form (say 4 conferences of 16 teams each) and they don't have a chair when the music stops. Also, N.D.'s deal with NBC isn't that great compared to the money schools in the SEC/BigXII/Big10 get from their deals with the conference. Throw Pac-12 in there now as well I think.
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IF there is a major rearrangement to super conferences, then you may be right. However, that won't happen in the near future. Right now, the Big 12 is looking to add just 1 team and their best bet is probably BYU or UH. There is little to no chance ND makes a move right now. Maybe in 5 or 6 years at the earliest.
 
BattleRedToro said:
University of Texas has so little room to criticize Ole Miss as racist. It isn't like UT was a trailblazer when it came to enrolling black students.
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It's a joke dude. The author could have used just about any SEC school for that pic, just happened to be Ole Miss.

Post #6,666: endorsing racist jokes. Hmmmmm...
 
Dutchrudder said:
It's a joke dude. The author could have used just about any SEC school for that pic, just happened to be Ole Miss.

Post #6,666: endorsing racist jokes. Hmmmmm...
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I know it's a joke, but it belies the fact that UT was slow to allow black students to attend just like Ole Miss. Therefore, UT fans have little ground to stand on to depict some other university as racist, even if it's a joke.
 
Stemp said:
Texas may schedule a home and home with ND, but it won't be for thanksgiving. ND already plays either Stanford or USC Thanksgiving weekend. They may give up Stanford, but they aren't going to give up the USC game for Texas. And they sure aren't going to join the Big 12-3 when they've already spurned the Big East and the Big 10. Their donor alums are adamant about staying independent and their alums control the purse strings for the school and AD.
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I doubt they will ever join the Big XII however the reason why they will not join the Big 10 is a moral one. It's a Catholic school and some Big 10 schools are involved in stem cell research which they are against. This has been their official stance on not joining the Big 10. They are in the Big East with their other progams however football wise it is a weak conference.

There are rumors that the Big XII is the most likely conference they would join however I don't see it. Outside of Texas and OU the rest of the conference is a bore. I personally really dislike the Big XII. It's a boring conference.

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, OSU, Baylor, Mizzou ....:zzz: dude wake me up after all of those boring schools have been played.

What person that grew up in Texas could really get excited about those schools? There is zero history with the states of Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa. And Baylor? Most Baylor fans don't even take their football program seriously.

I could always get up for Nebraska, CU (sometimes), and of course A&M is always fun, now those schools are gone. So the only teams left that even make me want to turn on the TV is OU and Tech. The Sand Aggies only because their fans are pretty obnoxious and I like to see them get beat down.

So with that all said, why in the world would ND want to join the Big XII?? They would be locked into the same boring schedule.

Oh and BYU? Please, no excitement there either.

My excitement of college football is really taking a hit with Texas being in the Big Bore.

Kudos to A&M for joining a real conference. They might get beat down a lot however at least they are playing real teams almost every week. As a Texas fan I am envious. I would LOVE Texas to be in the SEC.
 
BattleRedToro said:
I know it's a joke, but it belies the fact that UT was slow to allow black students to attend just like Ole Miss. Therefore, UT fans have little ground to stand on to depict some other university as racist, even if it's a joke.
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What schools weren't slow back then with that issue? They were just mirroring society in general.

I don't think the joke is so much about the school than it is about the state in general. Mississippi as a state has the same reputation as Vidor even today. Is it still justified? I honestly don't know, I have never spent any time there.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I doubt they will ever join the Big XII however the reason why they will not join the Big 10 is a moral one. It's a Catholic school and some Big 10 schools are involved in stem cell research which they are against. This has been their official stance on not joining the Big 10. They are in the Big East with their other progams however football wise it is a weak conference.

There are rumors that the Big XII is the most likely conference they would join however I don't see it. Outside of Texas and OU the rest of the conference is a bore. I personally really dislike the Big XII. It's a boring conference.

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, OSU, Baylor, Mizzou ....:zzz: dude wake me up after all of those boring schools have been played.

What person that grew up in Texas could really get excited about those schools? There is zero history with the states of Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa. And Baylor? Most Baylor fans don't even take their football program seriously.

I could always get up for Nebraska, CU (sometimes), and of course A&M is always fun, now those schools are gone. So the only teams left that even make me want to turn on the TV is OU and Tech. The Sand Aggies only because their fans are pretty obnoxious and I like to see them get beat down.

So with that all said, why in the world would ND want to join the Big XII?? They would be locked into the same boring schedule.

Oh and BYU? Please, no excitement there either.

My excitement of college football is really taking a hit with Texas being in the Big Bore.

Kudos to A&M for joining a real conference. They might get beat down a lot however at least they are playing real teams almost every week. As a Texas fan I am envious. I would LOVE Texas to be in the SEC.
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Unfortunately, that's just excuse, not a real reason. Notre Dame has done many things that go against orthodox Catholic teaching and doctrine and been chastised for it. They have, in may ways, moved far from strict Catholic doctrine. So the whole "stem cell research" thing is simply an excuse, nothing more. If the ND alums wanted to join a conference (which they strongly do NOT) then the Big 10 or Big East would be a more likely destination.

BYU is a possibility, but they will likely require some strong long-term written commitments to the Big 12 by Texas and OU and the others and my guess is that Texas will balk at having to sign such a commitment. BYU will also move slowly as they are run by the LDS church and are highly unlikely to make a major move without going through a long painstaking process. That, unfortunately for the Big 12, will only hurt public perception of the conference and if BYU ultimately decides to stay indy, then the Big 12 will look even weaker and desperate when they have to take UH or SMU. It will also keep their footprint fairly small and won't add any new markets, so the TV money may not be as lucrative as they believed last year.
 
I blame one person for all this crap: Dan Beebe. What a pathetic excuse of a commissioner. If he had the foresight to understand what the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 10 were doing years ago, he would have pushed for a Big 12 network in 2008 and made all schools sign exclusive contracts for it. Instead of just Texas getting 300 mill over 10 years, the could have gotten the whole conference a billion over 10 years. If they had a decent network and comparable revenues to the SEC, there wouldn't be much dissent among the schools, but the opportunity is gone. If Nebraska left, then grab a BYU, Air Force or whoever to fill the hole. It's not like they bring a lot of ratings to the table anyways.
 
Stemp said:
IF there is a major rearrangement to super conferences, then you may be right. However, that won't happen in the near future. Right now, the Big 12 is looking to add just 1 team and their best bet is probably BYU or UH. There is little to no chance ND makes a move right now. Maybe in 5 or 6 years at the earliest.
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I think the Big XII is looking to add in 3 teams. BYU, Houston, and Airforce are the three they want to bring in. BYU, like Texas, has its own network, so they won't have an issue with UT. UH brings in the Houston market, and Airforce brings the Denver/Colorado Springs markets back to the Big XII.

With these 3 teams in the conference, I would do some division realignment in order to balance the conference.
Division 1: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa state, and Missouri.

Division 2: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston, BYU, and Airforce.

I would also push for UT-Notre Dame to have a yearly rivalry game so that when the supercomferences come into being, they can being Notre Dame in.
 
Hookem Horns said:
There are rumors that the Big XII is the most likely conference they would join however I don't see it. Outside of Texas and OU the rest of the conference is a bore. I personally really dislike the Big XII. It's a boring conference.

So with that all said, why in the world would ND want to join the Big XII?? They would be locked into the same boring schedule.
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I think it would make a lot of sense for Notre Dame to join the Big XII. Like you said, there is only Texas and OU. In a typical year, Notre Dame should finish, at worst, 3rd in the Big XII. Winning the Big XII, means they could get a shot at the National Championship and a strong second could vault them into a BCS game. If they went to the SEC, they would have a VERY difficult road to maneuver. PAC 10, though not as daunting as the SEC, is still pretty tough. Big X, now has Nebraska, along with Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and an emerging Michigan State. Big XII provides an easier schedule and the safety of a BCS conference. Plus, SEC, PAC 10, and Big X probably won't be thrilled with them having their own TV deal. You know the Big XII has no issue with it.
 
As a UH alum and season ticket holder, I want to see us get out of the non-AQ CUSA and get into the Big 12 or the Big East so we too can get a piece of the money train everyone else is enjoying.

The Coogs are an exciting team to watch and with increasing fan attendance the past few years and a stadium expansion in the works, I think UH would be a good addition.
 
Doppelganger said:
I think the Big XII is looking to add in 3 teams. BYU, Houston, and Airforce are the three they want to bring in. BYU, like Texas, has its own network, so they won't have an issue with UT. UH brings in the Houston market, and Airforce brings the Denver/Colorado Springs markets back to the Big XII.

With these 3 teams in the conference, I would do some division realignment in order to balance the conference.
Division 1: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa state, and Missouri.

Division 2: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston, BYU, and Airforce.

I would also push for UT-Notre Dame to have a yearly rivalry game so that when the supercomferences come into being, they can being Notre Dame in.
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With that type of strength of schedule (or lack thereof), an undefeated Big 12 team will likely be below a 1 loss team from the SEC, PAC 12 or Big 10 in the BCS standings. And 1 loss to any team would put them out of the BCS championship game for sure.
 
Hookem Horns said:
What schools weren't slow back then with that issue? They were just mirroring society in general.

I don't think the joke is so much about the school than it is about the state in general. Mississippi as a state has the same reputation as Vidor even today. Is it still justified? I honestly don't know, I have never spent any time there.
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Oberlin College in Ohio was founded in 1833. Two years later
in 1835, the first black students began enrolling there. That is a trailblazing university. Slavery wouldn't be abolished in the USA for another 28 years.

University of Texas on the other hand was founded in 1883. Sixty-seven years later in 1950, the first black students enrolled there, and that was only because the State of Texas lost in the Supreme Court.
 
BattleRedToro said:
Oberlin College in Ohio was founded in 1833. Two years later
in 1835, the first black students began enrolling there. That is a trailblazing university. Slavery wouldn't be abolished in the USA for another 28 years.

University of Texas on the other hand was founded in 1883. Sixty-seven years later in 1950, the first black students enrolled there, and that was only because the State of Texas lost in the Supreme Court.
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Wtf does Oberlin College have to do with UT vs Ole Miss?
 
Dutchrudder said:
Wtf does Oberlin College have to do with UT vs Ole Miss?
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My point was UT fans portraying Ole Miss as a racist university is hypocritical. I referenced Oberlin to let UT fans know that they shouldn't act high and mighty for integrating 12 years ahead of Ole Miss because Oberlin College integrated 48 years before UT was even founded and 115 years before UT did. In otherwords UT fans you aren't any better than Ole Miss fans.
 
BattleRedToro said:
My point was UT fans portraying Ole Miss as a racist university is hypocritical. I referenced Oberlin to let UT fans know that they shouldn't act high and mighty for integrating 12 years ahead of Ole Miss because Oberlin College integrated 48 years before UT was even founded and 115 years before UT did. In otherwords UT fans you aren't any better than Ole Miss fans.
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Well now that is actually on topic, but you're thinking about this way too much. It's a joke, get over it.
 
BattleRedToro said:
My point was UT fans portraying Ole Miss as a racist university is hypocritical.
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Did you even read my post? Like I said, it is was probably more of a knock on the state not the university. Ever see Mississippi Burning?

For example when someone calls the Arkansas Razorbacks a bunch of inbreds, it is because of the state's reputation of having a bunch of inbreds up there. It's not because they feel the University of Arkansas is literally encouraging sex within the family.

That is how I took it anyway.
 
BattleRedToro said:
No. UT fans need to get over themselves and their arrogant, better than everyone else attitude.
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STRONG disagreement.Most UT fans are like any other fan base: they support their team and are pretty good people. Like any successful program there is a small minority of vocal idiots who make the rest of the group look bad.

Don't judge a group by the small minority of idiots.
 
Doppelganger said:
STRONG disagreement.Most UT fans are like any other fan base: they support their team and are pretty good people. Like any successful program there is a small minority of vocal idiots who make the rest of the group look bad.

Don't judge a group by the small minority of idiots.
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Or klansmen... :pirate:
 
Doppelganger said:
STRONG disagreement.Most UT fans are like any other fan base: they support their team and are pretty good people. Like any successful program there is a small minority of vocal idiots who make the rest of the group look bad.

Don't judge a group by the small minority of idiots.
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That "small minority" tend to congregate on the message boards, giving the impression they are the majority.

See Orangebloods, Hornfans and ShaggyBevo as examples A, B and C.
 
Stemp said:
That "small minority" tend to congregate on the message boards, giving the impression they are the majority.

See Orangebloods, Hornfans and ShaggyBevo as examples A, B and C.
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It's the same with most other fanbases as well. See TexAgs, etc.
 
Stemp said:
That "small minority" tend to congregate on the message boards, giving the impression they are the majority.

See Orangebloods, Hornfans and ShaggyBevo as examples A, B and C.
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Ok, but look at the numbers. Take all of the people on all the UT message boards, how many is that, a few thousand? There are millions of UT fans. a few thousand out of a group of millions is a small minority.
 
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