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Logan Thomas: QB: Virginia Tech

TexansFTW said:
I'm all about Logan Thomas as a late round flyer. You can't pass up on talent like that if you get it at the right price. See the 49ers and Seahawks.



6 years and between $80-90 million.



I guess you can let him walk? That's not what I want. And you sure as hell are NOT going to franchise tag a former defensive player of the year and the best at his position. Despite these clowns saying it's possible, it is ABSOLUTELY not. I will eat my words if it happens, but I do not fear that one bit.



Extend him before he plays a single snap for us at starting QB money? Gotta say I REALLY hate that idea.

Potentially extend him after 1 season of possible hope and promise. Who was the last 3rd round we pick we did that on and how did that work out? Did that happen 20 years ago in a completely different NFL or did that JUST happen?

Everyone said that about this years QB crop last year too. Probably gonna need to find Andre's replacement now too.

I said #1 pick in 2015 draft FYI. I'm implying we would fail as a team with that strategy.
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They aren't going to let Watt walk.

I'm not for extending Mallett before he plays. But yes, you could sign Mallett and Watt to a new contract before the 2015 season if Mallett plays well. If he doesn't you can draft a QB in the better QB 2015 draft. It's a win-win if you ask me.

Alex Smith would be the latest example of a QB traded for that has worked out pretty well. Admit it, you want TB and your mind is made up.

Give me Mallett and Clowney and if this doesn't work out then you've hedged your bets because you should have a high enough draft pick to draft Winston/Mariota/Hundley etc... next yr. All of who have as much or more potential as any QB in this yrs draft.

BTW, I get the gotta have it now generation.
 
steelbtexan said:
They aren't going to let Watt walk.

I'm not for extending Mallett before he plays. But yes, you could sign Mallett and Watt to a new contract before the 2015 season if Mallett plays well. If he doesn't you can draft a QB in the better QB 2015 draft. It's a win-win if you ask me.

Alex Smith would be the latest example of a QB traded for that has worked out pretty well. Admit it, you want TB and your mind is made up.

Give me Mallett and Clowney and if this doesn't work out then you've hedged your bets because you should have a high enough draft pick to draft Winston/Mariota/Hundley etc... next yr. All of who have as much or more potential as any QB in this yrs draft.

BTW, I get the gotta have it now generation.
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I hear you. It's all good. My questions were rhetorical. The truth is you can't sign JJ Watt and a new QB without cutting half of this team.

Alex Smith is absolutely nothing like Ryan Mallett. A guy that has 6 years experience as a starting QB coming off of an NFC Championship game, where he was a field goal away in overtime from going to the big dance. Alex Smith was drafted 1.01 and Ryan Mallet is a 3rd round pick that has throw 4 NFL passes (3 incomplete).

If we get Winston or Mariota I can live. I HATE Hundley. I do want it now. Maybe cause this city sucks. Astros are good for a couple years then get swept in the World Series and then basically become THE dumpster fire of MLB the last 3 years.

I can't even watch the Rockets unless I go to the game or watch on my computer all choppy.

I only really have the Texans and I get all this false hope, they do everything I don't want every year and I hate the result every year. For once I just want my draft and I want it now, you're right.

I change my mind often though. Maybe I will come around. I would prefer not to have to though and everything just work out. We will see. I respect your opinion. I also apologize for trashing this thread about Logan Thomas.

I LIKE Logan Thomas as a gamble late.
 
TexansFTW said:
6 years and between $80-90 million.
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Mario got $96M. Just to make it easy, let's use Mario's contract for guidance.
The numbers are in for defensive end Mario Williams. And they’re impressive.

A source with knowledge of the contract tells PFT that the deal has a base value of $96 million over six years, including $25 million fully guaranteed on signing. Another $25 million is guaranteed for injury on signing, and the money will become fully guaranteed at a later date.

The deal can be worth as much as $100 million.

Williams, who made nearly $60 million in six seasons with the Texans, will earn $53 million in his first three seasons with the Bills.
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So we give Jj a $25M signing bonus, then first three years salaries of $2.5M, $3.5M, & $3.5M (his cap number will be $6.7M, $7.7M, & $7.7M). Give him another $25M signing bonus in 2016, incresing his cap by another $5M for 2016 & 2017 so his first three years would be $6.7 in 2015, $12.7M in 2016, & $12.7M in 2017.

If Schaub is a June 1st cut in 2014, the Texans would be $26M under the cap in 2015, Jj's new contract ($6.7M) would still allow us $19M to sign other FAs..... maybe Mallet.

If OB likes Mallet enough, I'd sign him to a 5 year deal. $10M bonus, $2M salary throughout, & an additional $1M roster bonus for years 2 through 5. That would be $7M against the 2014 cap & $6M for years 2 through 5.

He gets $10M up front ($5M signing, $5M roster bonus) (Luck got $14M, Bridgewater will probably get $14M+) & a contract worth $24M (Luck got $22M, Bridgewater will probably get $22M+). He'll count $7M against the 2014 cap (money gained from making Schaub a June 1st cut). We can cut him after the season (if he doesn't live up to expectations) & only have $4M of dead money ($1M less each consecutive year).



TexansFTW said:
I guess you can let him walk? That's not what I want. And you sure as hell are NOT going to franchise tag a former defensive player of the year and the best at his position. Despite these clowns saying it's possible, it is ABSOLUTELY not. I will eat my words if it happens, but I do not fear that one bit.
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He didn't play like a former defensive player of the year in 2013. I'm only throwing that out there because I believe most of us here already over-estimate his value. He has another season like that in 2014, no way should we offer him Mario+ money.

Also, we have a team option for a 5th year at $8.25M then after that third year, if he doesn't look like the former defensive player of the year, damn right I'll franchise him if I have to.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not for extending Mallett before he plays. But yes, you could sign Mallett and Watt to a new contract before the 2015 season if Mallett plays well. If he doesn't you can draft a QB in the better QB 2015 draft. It's a win-win if you ask me.
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If you don't sign Mallet to a multi year deal before the 2014 season, he'll want to test FA if he plays well. You'll be competing with what everyone else "could" offer him & with guys like Cutler, Romo, & Ryan recently signing a one year deal, if Mallet plays as well as we hope, some idjit franchise will probably offer him that kind of money.

In my deal, he gets a contract similar to a QB taken with the #1 overall & we're not married to him if he doesn't play well.
 
TexansFTW said:
I hear you. It's all good. My questions were rhetorical. The truth is you can't sign JJ Watt and a new QB without cutting half of this team.

If we get Winston or Mariota I can live. I HATE Hundley. I do want it now. Maybe cause this city sucks. Astros are good for a couple years then get swept in the World Series and then basically become THE dumpster fire of MLB the last 3 years.
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If you can't sign Ryan Mallet to a long term deal & Jj Watt, you won't be able to sign Mariota or Winston if you're even in a position to get them.
 
thunderkyss said:
He didn't play like a former defensive player of the year in 2013. I'm only throwing that out there because I believe most of us here already over-estimate his value. He has another season like that in 2014, no way should we offer him Mario+ money.
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According to Pro Football Focus, Watt actually graded out higher this year than last year. I think he graded out at 100 last year and 103 this year. The 2nd best 3-4 DE this year graded out at around 60. The numbers weren't there because he faced twice as many double teams, but he actually had more sack/pressures this year than last year.

(Don't have a link for the above. It was in one of the PFF threads on the board about a month ago).

Point is, don't always believe the stats. The numbers weren't there this year, but according to many outlets, Watt was even more dominant this year than last year.
 
thunderkyss said:
He didn't play like a former defensive player of the year in 2013. I'm only throwing that out there because I believe most of us here already over-estimate his value. He has another season like that in 2014, no way should we offer him Mario+ money.
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Watt is the most valuable non-QB player in the NFL, hands down. More valuable than Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, or Jamaal Charles. He deserves whatever money is coming to him and I hope we free up the space to pay it ourselves.
 
thunderkyss said:
Mario got $96M. Just to make it easy, let's use Mario's contract for guidance.
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So we give Jj a $25M signing bonus, then first three years salaries of $2.5M, $3.5M, & $3.5M (his cap number will be $6.7M, $7.7M, & $7.7M). Give him another $25M signing bonus in 2016, incresing his cap by another $5M for 2016 & 2017 so his first three years would be $6.7 in 2015, $12.7M in 2016, & $12.7M in 2017.

If Schaub is a June 1st cut in 2014, the Texans would be $26M under the cap in 2015, Jj's new contract ($6.7M) would still allow us $19M to sign other FAs..... maybe Mallet.

If OB likes Mallet enough, I'd sign him to a 5 year deal. $10M bonus, $2M salary throughout, & an additional $1M roster bonus for years 2 through 5. That would be $7M against the 2014 cap & $6M for years 2 through 5.

He gets $10M up front ($5M signing, $5M roster bonus) (Luck got $14M, Bridgewater will probably get $14M+) & a contract worth $24M (Luck got $22M, Bridgewater will probably get $22M+). He'll count $7M against the 2014 cap (money gained from making Schaub a June 1st cut). We can cut him after the season (if he doesn't live up to expectations) & only have $4M of dead money ($1M less each consecutive year).





He didn't play like a former defensive player of the year in 2013. I'm only throwing that out there because I believe most of us here already over-estimate his value. He has another season like that in 2014, no way should we offer him Mario+ money.

Also, we have a team option for a 5th year at $8.25M then after that third year, if he doesn't look like the former defensive player of the year, damn right I'll franchise him if I have to.
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I think you might want to reevaluate that statement. He was perhaps even better in 2013, even though the stats were down. His TFL skyrocketed as his PD and Sacks went down.

But then again, I'm not an NFL scout or coach so what do I know?
 
Playoffs said:
General consensus is he looks awful at Senior Bowl practices so far but will still be overdrafted. Accuracy is on par with this guy's...

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:spit: sorry but that is fricken Hilarious!!
 
TexansFTW said:
I guess you can let him walk? That's not what I want. And you sure as hell are NOT going to franchise tag a former defensive player of the year and the best at his position. Despite these clowns saying it's possible, it is ABSOLUTELY not. I will eat my words if it happens, but I do not fear that one bit.
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IIRC, he's under contract for 2014 and a team option for 2015. If you don't resign him after 2014, you try again after 2015. If you can't work it out ( which I don't forsee ) then you franchise him if you have to for 2016. I have no problem with that at all. Dude is face of the franchise now, he's gonna get his money and it will be from the Texans. I don't know why you would think there would be a problem is he isn't signed after 2014. Recent history shows he will be, but if not, it's not the end of the world
 
JB said:
IIRC, he's under contract for 2014 and a team option for 2015. If you don't resign him after 2014, you try again after 2015. If you can't work it out ( which I don't forsee ) then you franchise him if you have to for 2016. I have no problem with that at all. Dude is face of the franchise now, he's gonna get his money and it will be from the Texans. I don't know why you would think there would be a problem is he isn't signed after 2014. Recent history shows he will be, but if not, it's not the end of the world
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I was going by http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt/ that said he was an unrestricted FA at the end of 2014. I didn't understand the new CBA well enough and didn't realize that EVERY first round pick got a team option 5th year.

I was incorrect and for this I apologize. This helped me better understand:

http://in2theleague.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/nfl-cba-series-5th-year-option-for-1st-round-picks/
 
TexansFTW said:
I was going by http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt/ that said he was an unrestricted FA at the end of 2014. I didn't understand the new CBA well enough and didn't realize that EVERY first round pick got a team option 5th year.

I was incorrect and for this I apologize. This helped me better understand:

http://in2theleague.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/nfl-cba-series-5th-year-option-for-1st-round-picks/
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I wasn't sure either, just remembered reading it here :handshake:

Thanks for posting that link
 
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If you think draft QB = draft immediate starter or don't even try, then (dons caveman voice) Thomas-bad, ugh...

The fun thing about the draft is that there's a lot of fun nuance to explore. It's not for everyone. Some folks want good/bad.

I wouldn't draft Thomas with the thought of him as my starter. I would draft as a project with tremendous upside but maintain skepticism

I don't know where Thomas is slated to go, but if the interview/promise between the ears checks out and he was there in 5th round, I'd do it

But there are also plays where he looks really comfortable around a tight pocket and finds the check down or makes strong decision.

Logan Thomas reacts to pressure too late. The poise, thinking under pressure almost freezes up at times. Can this be overcome? Depends why.

Where the book on Thomas gets scary is pressure, but in a different way than Garoppolo. Jimmy G reacts to pressure way too early.

You don't see that from a guy like Garoppolo who was the hot thing two weeks ago in this community. And that QB has some issues w/pressure.

Logan Thomas also plays in an offense that allowed him to work from center and use a variety of play fakes, drops while reading field

Logan Thomas flashes skill to climb the pocket, keep the eyes downfield and make some beautiful intermediate/deep throw-timing/placement/acc

Now that I've scared people off, I'll tell you why Thomas surprised me on tape in a good way.

This is the hing about Twitter. Folks who love Thomas act as if I think he's a top guy. Those who don't think I'm nuts. Neither asked why.

I have more to watch with Thomas, but I see upside as a throw and pocket player that is promising in the right round/situation.

A player who has surprised me on tape in a good way is VaTech QB Logan Thomas.
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kiwitexansfan said:
That is less than ideal.

What was his OLine doing? Where they getting blown up, was he holding onto it way too long?
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On one of them, Seantrel Henderson (who is awful btw) got blown by for an easy sack.

On another, an overload blitz to the same side didn't get picked up and they got an easy sack.

On both plays Thomas was oblivious to the blitz and took a sack without even seeing it coming.

On the other 3 sacks he held the ball too long and had no clue where the rush was. He took 3-4 of the sacks on 3rd down IIRC.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Thanks Wolverine.

Fascinated to see where he ends up getting drafted (if he gets drafted).
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I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the 3rd round. Maybe even the 2nd. Some team will become enamored with his physical gifts and overlook his flaws because they think "but I can coach him up".

Don't be shocked if the 49ers target him with one of their early picks. Would be such a Jimmy Harbaugh move. Would also be the best case scenario for Thomas, IMO. Harbaugh can make any QB look good and he will get proper coaching in SF while holding a clipboard instead of a football.
 
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