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Logan Thomas: QB: Virginia Tech

kiwitexansfan

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I can't help but be intrigued by this guy.

He seems to have such good physical tools, is book smart (graduated already in a real qualification), and only started QBing in college after being recruited as a TE.

I am pro-Bridgewater in the first (or Manziel or Bortles if push came to shove) but I would not be opposed to coming back to Thomas if he was there in the 5th.

Thoughts?

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kiwitexansfan said:
Scouting Report

I can't help but be intrigued by this guy.

He seems to have such good physical tools, is book smart (graduated already in a real qualification), and only started QBing in college after being recruited as a TE.

I am pro-Bridgewater in the first (or Manziel or Bortles if push came to shove) but I would not be opposed to coming back to Thomas if he was there in the 5th.

Thoughts?

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If a guy is inexperienced and catching up, then I want a high IQ as well. Otherwise, he'll be gone before he's of any use. He looks like he's worth taking a flyer on in the late rounds.
 
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I would draft him in the 5th and move him to te. As a qb prospect, he's looks good until he actually plays. If he runs a 4.5 40, and performs well in 3 cone and shuttle, I'm moving him to te.
 
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Dude has been pretty mediocre his entire career. Couldnt even put up points against a horrid Michigan defense in the Sugar bowl a few years back.

Kinda reminds me of Josh Freeman out of K-State. I was shocked when he went 17 overall. Measureables were great, but didnt produce in the Big12.

Like you said, Thomas will probably be overdrafted due to his measureables, but he is not worth more than a project 4th round.
 
ill take a flyer on him as an UDFA and thats all. no way do i give up a 5th for him. you can still find quality back ups late in the draft that we sorely need
 
I have him graded as a 6th rounder and at that I would still only take him if I had an established starter and backup and had time to work with Thomas for a few years before anything other than QB #3 was expected of him.

I would actually have him graded higher as a TE than I do as a QB, just like Colin Klein last year.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Scouting Report

I can't help but be intrigued by this guy.

He seems to have such good physical tools, is book smart (graduated already in a real qualification), and only started QBing in college after being recruited as a TE.

I am pro-Bridgewater in the first (or Manziel or Bortles if push came to shove) but I would not be opposed to coming back to Thomas if he was there in the 5th.

Thoughts?

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I have no problems with taking Thomas in the fifth round. He's a project that has the size and arm strength for the NFL. If you let him sit a few years behind a Bridgewater/Bortles you could find yourself with a capable backup. A lot of his negatives seem to just be his lack of experience at the position.
 
bah007 said:
I have him graded as a 6th rounder and at that I would still only take him if I had an established starter and backup and had time to work with Thomas for a few years before anything other than QB #3 was expected of him.

I would actually have him graded higher as a TE than I do as a QB, just like Colin Klein last year.
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Speaking of Colin Klein, I knew he was here in training camp awhile but whatever happened to him?
 
bah007 said:
I have him graded as a 6th rounder and at that I would still only take him if I had an established starter and backup and had time to work with Thomas for a few years before anything other than QB #3 was expected of him.

I would actually have him graded higher as a TE than I do as a QB, just like Colin Klein last year.
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If he proved he could catch I would use a late draft pick on him as a TE.
 
beerlover said:
Speaking of Colin Klein, I knew he was here in training camp awhile but whatever happened to him?
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Didn't make it through camp. Just doesn't have a NFL arm. Like Arlington said, nobody else ever signed him.

I had read somewhere (can't find it now) that some teams were interested in him as a TE but he only wants to play QB. He was actually invited to the combine as a TE but refused to do anything other than QB drills.

I understand having confidence in yourself but that kind of attitude bugs me. He'd rather be on the street as a "QB" than in a uniform at another position. MarQueis Gray actually did the same thing and also went undrafted but after he was picked up by SF he agreed to play wherever they asked him. They cut him but the Browns picked him up and played him at numerous positions this year.
 
I'd be open to drafting him if we took Bridgewater at #1 and then got McNair to spend a bunch of money on a crack surgeon team to swap their brains. Bridgewater's brain in Thomas' body would be a surefire franchise QB. Then we could release the Logan Thomas brain in Bridgewater's body, only to see him get picked up by the Patriots and become the GOAT QB...
 
Some team is going to draft him and it probably won't be at the end of the draft. I'm guessing 4th or 5th round. If we have learned anything about scouts and GM's over the years it's that height-weight-speed trumps everything.

There was a twitter quote in the Senior Bowl thread that was the quintessential attitude of a scout. It was...."I can teach him to throw the ball, I can't teach him to be 6'6, 250."
 
WolverineFan said:
Some team is going to draft him and it probably won't be at the end of the draft. I'm guessing 4th or 5th round. If we have learned anything about scouts and GM's over the years it's that height-weight-speed trumps everything.

There was a twitter quote in the Senior Bowl thread that was the quintessential attitude of a scout. It was...."I can teach him to throw the ball, I can't teach him to be 6'6, 250."
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That was one of two quotes that stood out to me. The other:

Will say this about Thomas--guy wasn't developed at VaTech. No progression from Y1-Y2-Y3 as a starter.
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Could that just be poor coaching? I wouldn't mind the Texans getting him with a fifth or sixth rounder and seeing where he's at in 2-3 years under O'Brien.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Scouting Report

I can't help but be intrigued by this guy.

He seems to have such good physical tools, is book smart (graduated already in a real qualification), and only started QBing in college after being recruited as a TE.

I am pro-Bridgewater in the first (or Manziel or Bortles if push came to shove) but I would not be opposed to coming back to Thomas if he was there in the 5th.

Thoughts?

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I'd be willing to use a 4th on him. Surely he's going to be a project.... plan B, incase Bridgewater/Bortles don't make it.

Heck, I'd be fine with drafting this guy in the 4th.... even the third, if we sign Josh Freeman.

But, I don't see Bridgewater or Manziel as tier 1 QBs.
 
JCTexan said:
Could that just be poor coaching? I wouldn't mind the Texans getting him with a fifth or sixth rounder and seeing where he's at in 2-3 years under O'Brien.
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That is the thing that stands out for me reading Senior Bowl coverage, how much the prospects get coached up and improve in three days at the Senior Bowl. WTF are the college coaches teaching them? Are colllege coaches that inferior to pro coaches?
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd be willing to use a 4th on him. Surely he's going to be a project.... plan B, incase Bridgewater/Bortles don't make it.

Heck, I'd be fine with drafting this guy in the 4th.... even the third, if we sign Josh Freeman.

But, I don't see Bridgewater or Manziel as tier 1 QBs.
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You would be fine with walking into camp with Freeman, Thomas, and Keenum as our QB's? If we had the #1 pick and walked into camp with that QB crop I would fire everybody.

Just my opinion, but I see you keep on talking about prototypical QB's and how Bridgewater and Co. don't add up to your prototypical standards. On the flip side, just because a guy has prototypical measurements (Freeman & Thomas) doesn't mean they can play QB worth a lick.

Skill sets are much more important than measureables. When your best attribute as a QB is that you're big, then there's a problem.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
That is the thing that stands out for me reading Senior Bowl coverage, how much the prospects get coached up and improve in three days at the Senior Bowl. WTF are the college coaches teaching them? Are colllege coaches that inferior to pro coaches?
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Colleges use players to get W's just like players use colleges to get to the pro's. If a guy is big and fast and can run your team to victory then there is no reason to develop him as a passer. That's just how it is.

And I wouldn't be so quick to blame VT for Thomas' lack of development. His lack of talent is the reason for his lack of development. Remember, his predecessor Tyrod Taylor developed wonderfully at VT.
 
WolverineFan said:
You would be fine with walking into camp with Freeman, Thomas, and Keenum as our QB's? If we had the #1 pick and walked into camp with that QB crop I would fire everybody.
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You would be fine walking into camp with Bridgewater or Manziel? If we had the #1 pick & we became the first franchise to draft a QB first overall who weighed less than 210... I'd fire every body.

WolverineFan said:
Just my opinion, but I see you keep on talking about prototypical QB's and how Bridgewater and Co. don't add up to your prototypical standards. On the flip side, just because a guy has prototypical measurements (Freeman & Thomas) doesn't mean they can play QB worth a lick.
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& even with their size, I don't suggest taking either of them with the #1 overall, nowhere close. There's a trade off. Bridgewater may have the experience of playing in a "pro" system, but so did Aj McCarron. It's a knock on McCarron because he was surrounded by talent... yet I feel Bridgewater's receivers made him look really good with major YAC & amazing catches (not a popular opinion, but it is mine). McCarron also didn't play well against better competition... but it was better competition.

& yes, If Kubiak can make Matt Schaub a "starter" based on what he was in Atlanta, OB should be able to get as much (if not more) out of Freeman if he's half the QB guru Kubiak "is"

WolverineFan said:
Skill sets are much more important than measureables. When your best attribute as a QB is that you're big, then there's a problem.
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People said Michael Vick wouldn't be able to play a full season in the NFL. He's hell on wheels when he's healthy enough to play though. Vick had a "wow" factor about him to compensate for his "lack of size" (6'1' 210lbs)... imo, Bridgewater doesn't have enough "wow" to compensate for his 6'3" 206lb frame + lesser competition + shoddy mechanics.

None of them are perfect. But I'd rather try to fix "big with issues" than "small with issues."

But that's me. You don't have to agree, I'm fine with that.
 
thunder, please enlighten me on what makes you like Josh Freeman so much, because just about everyone else in the world other than you and his mother agree that he is a bad QB.
 
matts290 said:
thunder, please enlighten me on what makes you like Josh Freeman so much, because just about everyone else in the world other than you and his mother agree that he is a bad QB.
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I don't like Josh Freeman. I like Josh Freeman + Zach Mettenberger/Aj McCarron/Logan Thomas better than Teddy Bridgewater. I'm not ready to say Josh is a bad QB. He's been in some bad situations, didn't handle them all to well, but who knows... maybe he learned something from them.

I'm perfectly fine giving Freeman "one last chance," a full training camp with my team, to allow my rookie QB time to adjust. If you guys are right & Freeman is "bad" there will be plenty of opportunity to insert the rookie into real games & prepare him to become a starter in the NFL.
 
Blake said:
I think he is more interested in hedging his bet over projecting the best prospect and going with him.
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I think he is more interested in pot stirring and making any and every argument against TB as the favorite is his latest campaign.
 
OK. I'll bite. I've got nothing better to do. Just work...

thunderkyss said:
Imagine it's 1992, you're the Green Bay Packers. You need a QB. Do you take the best one available to you in the draft? Do you trade up to get the best QB in the class? Or do they look elsewhere for a "better" prospect?
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You're reaching for an example over 20 years old with several flaws. We aren't trading up. Maddox wasn't graded out at the top of the draft. Favre was right next to Maddox with pre-draft rankings (In a different year).

What if I told you for every exception to the rule there are substantially more rules that hold up to the exception?

Tommy Maddox had prototypical NFL QB size (6'4, 220) and Brett Favre was shorter than ideal height (6'2).

Maddox was only taken 8 spots higher than Favre.

thunderkyss said:
I don't like Josh Freeman. I like Josh Freeman + Zach Mettenberger/Aj McCarron/Logan Thomas better than Teddy Bridgewater. I'm not ready to say Josh is a bad QB. He's been in some bad situations, didn't handle them all to well, but who knows... maybe he learned something from them.

I'm perfectly fine giving Freeman "one last chance," a full training camp with my team, to allow my rookie QB time to adjust. If you guys are right & Freeman is "bad" there will be plenty of opportunity to insert the rookie into real games & prepare him to become a starter in the NFL.
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So Freeman fails and you are forced to start the rookie... but the rookie your forced to start is not nearly as good... So now you have a worse rookie starting at QB for your team. At least he's got the size right?
 
TexansFTW said:
So Freeman fails and you are forced to start the rookie... but the rookie your forced to start is not nearly as good... So now you have a worse rookie starting at QB for your team. At least he's got the size right?
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It would be kinda like being forced to start Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith. Just because he was selected later in the draft doesn't mean he is a worse prospect, only that the "experts" believe he is.

Or if Matt Flynn fails, the Seahawks were forced to start Russell Wilson, who turned out (so far) as good as, if not better, than RG3 & Andrew Luck both chosen two full rounds ahead of him.

Understand, Ryan Mallett has first round talent. They were worried bout his off field issues. I don't know if we can hold it against him that he didn't beat out Tom Brady for the starting job.
 
thunderkyss said:
Imagine it's 1992, you're the Green Bay Packers. You need a QB. Do you take the best one available to you in the draft? Do you trade up to get the best QB in the class? Or do they look elsewhere for a "better" prospect?
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In 1992? The Packers had Don Majkowski! He was THE MAN! He led the Pack to a 10-6 a couple of years before and then had a couple of years of injuries, but the future was bright with the Majik Man!

They just needed a really good backup.

:mariopalm:
 
I could see the Texans spending as high as a 5th on him, but he'd either be a project or have to convert to Tight End. Dude is big and fast, it's just a matter of him improving or making a good transition.
 
thunderkyss said:
It would be kinda like being forced to start Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith. Just because he was selected later in the draft doesn't mean he is a worse prospect, only that the "experts" believe he is.

Or if Matt Flynn fails, the Seahawks were forced to start Russell Wilson, who turned out (so far) as good as, if not better, than RG3 & Andrew Luck both chosen two full rounds ahead of him.

Understand, Ryan Mallett has first round talent. They were worried bout his off field issues. I don't know if we can hold it against him that he didn't beat out Tom Brady for the starting job.
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The pro TB people cant think about any other scenario. They're sure TB is going to be great. (The chosen one)

The Bortles people see a prototypical type QB that has a past with O'Leary, one of BO'B's mentors.

JM people see Russell Wilson. Gig'em

Clowney people see him as a generational talent who's to good to pass up. Especially with QB's that have the talent to rival the top 3 QB's.

Then there are people like me who don't like any of the QB's in this draft and would rather wait until 2015 to draft a QB. Or trade for Mallett, a very talented guy who has yrs in BO'B's system and draft Clowney

One thing's for sure, nothing is going to change people's minds.
 
bhsman said:
I could see the Texans spending as high as a 5th on him, but he'd either be a project or have to convert to Tight End. Dude is big and fast, it's just a matter of him improving or making a good transition.
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I think he could be a monster TE if he really wanted to be one. Like that scout said... can't teach 6'6 250.
 
Doesn't the team drafting first overall get several late-round compensatory picks, including the very last one in the seventh? Maybe he could be our 'Mr. Irrelevant."
 
steelbtexan said:
The pro TB people cant think about any other scenario. They're sure TB is going to be great. (The chosen one)

The Bortles people see a prototypical type QB that has a past with O'Leary, one of BO'B's mentors.

JM people see Russell Wilson. Gig'em

Clowney people see him as a generational talent who's to good to pass up. Especially with QB's that have the talent to rival the top 3 QB's.

Then there are people like me who don't like any of the QB's in this draft and would rather wait until 2015 to draft a QB. Or trade for Mallett, a very talented guy who has yrs in BO'B's system and draft Clowney

One thing's for sure, nothing is going to change people's minds.
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This post makes a lot of sense, because that's essentially the different types of people we have on this board (also including the last few Carr/Mettenberger/McCarron/Murray supporters that are left). However, I feel leery of saying no one will change their minds because there are a few months with quite a few factors left to determine how folks feel about their guy. Stuff could happen at the combine or at pro days that change everyone's minds. Manziel could look awful at the Combine, maybe Carr stands out, who knows?
 
bhsman said:
Doesn't the team drafting first overall get several late-round compensatory picks, including the very last one in the seventh? Maybe he could be our 'Mr. Irrelevant."
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I hope he lasts that long, but someone's going to tackle this project before the seventh round, I think.
 
steelbtexan said:
Then there are people like me who don't like any of the QB's in this draft and would rather wait until 2015 to draft a QB. Or trade for Mallett, a very talented guy who has yrs in BO'B's system and draft Clowney
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How would you pay Ryan Mallett and JJ Watt at the end of the 2014 season?

Who would you draft with our #1 overall pick in 2015 if we do that?
 
TexansFTW said:
How would you pay Ryan Mallett and JJ Watt at the end of the 2014 season?

Who would you draft with our #1 overall pick in 2015 if we do that?
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Depends on what BO'B thinks of Mallett. I might extend him after the trade at a cheaper price. I might let Mallett play things out and see how he does then if he plays well extend him. If he doesn't play well then the Texans should be in a position to get one of the top QB's in the 2015 draft. Which is what I really want anyway.

I thought I have made my position clear when it comes to the 2014 QB draft class?
 
I'm all about Logan Thomas as a late round flyer. You can't pass up on talent like that if you get it at the right price. See the 49ers and Seahawks.

thunderkyss said:
How much do you think it would take to sign Jj Watt?
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6 years and between $80-90 million.

JB said:
why do we have to pay watt at the end of the 2014 season?
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I guess you can let him walk? That's not what I want. And you sure as hell are NOT going to franchise tag a former defensive player of the year and the best at his position. Despite these clowns saying it's possible, it is ABSOLUTELY not. I will eat my words if it happens, but I do not fear that one bit.

steelbtexan said:
Depends on what BO'B thinks of Mallett. I might extend him after the trade at a cheaper price. I might let Mallett play things out and see how he does then if he plays well extend him. If he doesn't play well then the Texans should be in a position to get one of the top QB's in the 2015 draft. Which is what I really want anyway.

I thought I have made my position clear when it comes to the 2014 QB draft class?
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Extend him before he plays a single snap for us at starting QB money? Gotta say I REALLY hate that idea.

Potentially extend him after 1 season of possible hope and promise. Who was the last 3rd round we pick we did that on and how did that work out? Did that happen 20 years ago in a completely different NFL or did that JUST happen?

Everyone said that about this years QB crop last year too. Probably gonna need to find Andre's replacement now too.

I said #1 pick in 2015 draft FYI. I'm implying we would fail as a team with that strategy.
 
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