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Texansballer74 said:
Tank Dell has shown us in his rookie year that he has the capability to be a deep threat receiver. He got behind the DB’s and CJ flat out under through him.

So let’s not use the we don’t have a deep threat excuse. CJ’s internal clock is all jacked up. And he’s playing like crap. Bottom line
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He hasn't really shown that this year coming off injury.

Agreed with the last part of your post. It's the biggest issue with the offense. I'm thinking now that Patterson is making the ol calls Stroud will get better because he will be better protected.

But you don't lose WR1 in the NFL and there not be a drop off. Collins was Stroud's guy.
 
steelbtexan said:
He hasn't really shown that this year coming off injury.

Agreed with the last part of your post. It's the biggest issue with the offense. I'm thinking now that Patterson is making the ol calls Stroud will get better because he will be better protected.

But you don't lose WR1 in the NFL and there not be a drop off. Collins was Stroud's guy.
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He just showed it yesterday is my point. He had his man best badly. But like I said that’s an excuse because this isn’t the first time CH missed his receiver. Dude is snake bite and we all understand why.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Might as well groom him, because if the status quo remains the same it's probably going to be his job anyways.
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Earl34 said:
I can understand that Slowik went into the game thinking he would run the ball to shorten the game, win TOP and keep the Lions offense on the bench. However, at some point, he should have realized that he needed to pass to setup the run. Giving Mixon 25 carries to gain only 46 yards and average 1.8 YPC kept putting his offense in a hole and he just didn't adjust.

Stroud did not play well in the 2nd half. On the INT in the end zone, He threw the ball late and then underthrew Tank because he didn't set his feet and used all arm to throw that pass. Tank also didn't do him any favors. I know he's a small WR and jump balls are not his thing but as long as the ball was in the air, you would think he would have seen the DB and either come back to the ball or aggressively attack the ball and at least get in the way of the DB for a DPI.

What is the point of running so many two TE sets when both TEs are terrible blockers and Stover adds very little to the passing game?

Although the defense seems to generate pressure and made Goff uncomfortable, they didn't sack him once. Too often, either Hughes or Autry or whoever replaced Anderson was not setting the edge. That's why the Lions OC was able to counteract that pressure with the screen plays and rollouts to that side.

This is the 2nd game this season where the Texans have +3 TO margin and still lose the game.

For the bye week. They need to get Kubiak in the building to self-scout this offense. This 2nd half scoring drought is inexcusable.
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steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but losing the top WR in the NFL is a loss they're going to feel and it's probably worth 10 points per game when you take into account that they lost their WR1 and WR2. The biggest mistake they made was not keeping Noah Brown on the roster. He's a field stretcher. I wish after Diggs went down they would have brought in a field stretcher like Valdes Scantling. Look at the Chiefs, they only had Rice go down so they brought i JuJu. Then JuJu went down and they brought in Hopkins. The Texans lost both Nico and Diggs and they brought in nobody. Surely you can see the difference.
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Texansballer74 said:
He just showed it yesterday is my point. He had his man best badly. But like I said that’s an excuse because this isn’t the first time CH missed his receiver. Dude is snake bite and we all understand why.
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It sure isn't Slowik 's fault that CJ is missing open receivers. Although Slowik could do a better job than he's currently doing. Not throwing a pass before the two minute warning was a big mistake. It put all of their eggs on the third down pass to Hutch and the refs didn't call the PI. If you're going to throw on third down then you should throw on 2nd down because the clock was going to stop for the two minute warning anyways.
 
steelbtexan said:
It sure isn't Slowik 's fault that CJ is missing open receivers. Although Slowik could do a better job than he's currently doing. Not throwing a pass before the two minute warning was a big mistake. It put all of their eggs on the third down pass to Hutch and the refs didn't call the PI. If you're going to throw on third down then you should throw on 2nd down because the clock was going to stop for the two minute warning anyways.
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Slowik sucks, he sits on leads like it's a hockey score

Stroud finally had protection in week 10 and played well. Why did it take until week 10 to move the line? He is a offensive coordinator isn't he? It's literally in his job title isn't it?
 
Carr Bombed said:
Slowik sucks, he sits on leads like it's a hockey score

Stroud finally had protection in week 10 and played well. Why did it take until week 10 to move the line? He is a offensive coordinator isn't he? It's literally in his job title isn't it?
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Fans used to gripe about Kubiak sitting on leads.

I thought the OL coach decided who plays or doesn't play. I guess this is ultimately on Ryans. I think Caserio/Ryans hung with Green so long because they were trying to justify where he was drafted.
 
steelbtexan said:
With no deep threat to stretch the defense vertically the offense is going to be facing a lot of 8 man boxes and the running game has suffered because of this. I actually took some positives away from this game on the offensive side of the ball. 1. The pass protection was much better with Patterson making the OL calls. 2. It looks like Metchie is going to be fine as WR 3.
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Eye test wise pass protection looked better, but we still gave up 4 sacks. Also, they mentioned during the broadcast that the Lions pass rush had suffered since losing Hutchinson. Last night they looked pretty average yet still had 4 sacks. Stats seem to match them not being a very good pass rushing team. So we'll see how much they've improved there against some better pass rushes.

Metchie did make some nice plays. He looks like a guy who can play in the league.

I don't know about the no deep threat thing. Tank is smallish but he's capable of making plays downfield. Metchie should technically be ale to stretch the field. He is a 4.4 guy...

I could take positives away from any game if I squint hard enough, but that's not what this is about. The offense is simply not good enough and they haven't been good all season. We lost the game last night because the offense failed. Play calling, Scheme, players all played a part.
 
steelbtexan said:
Fans used to gripe about Kubiak sitting on leads.

I thought the OL coach decided who plays or doesn't play. I guess this is ultimately on Ryans. I think Caserio/Ryans hung with Green so long because they were trying to justify where he was drafted.
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They get to decide in camp.. if it doesn't get fixed coordinators should coordinate well before week 10 don't you agree.. where's the accountability
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Eye test wise pass protection looked better, but we still gave up 4 sacks. Also, they mentioned during the broadcast that the Lions pass rush had suffered since losing Hutchinson. Last night they looked pretty average yet still had 4 sacks. Stats seem to match them not being a very good pass rushing team. So we'll see how much they've improved there against some better pass rushes.

Metchie did make some nice plays. He looks like a guy who can play in the league.

I don't know about the no deep threat thing. Tank is smallish but he's capable of making plays downfield. Metchie should technically be ale to stretch the field. He is a 4.4 guy...

I could take positives away from any game if I squint hard enough, but that's not what this is about. The offense is simply not good enough and they haven't been good all season. We lost the game last night because the offense failed. Play calling, Scheme, players all played a part.
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Yep, that's my point, all of this isn't on Slowik. Stroud was responsible for a couple of those sacks.
 
Earl34 said:
Bingo. Noah Brown should have been on this roster. He was a low-cost and productive backup for Nico. Playing with a rookie QB, an argument can be made that he is still more productive than Metchie, Hutchinson, Woods and even Tank. With Nico's injury history and Tank coming off a shooting and injury, it didn't make any sense to cut quality, proven depth.

Speaking of Hutchinson. I watched him run a slant and he could barely separate from a safety. To make matters worse, he rounded off the slant and allowed the DB to come under and breakup the pass. He didn't even have enough wiggle to make the safety think he was running an out and gain leverage to use his frame to shield the ball.
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I saw the same slant and it was a come and take it invitation
 
BullRushTX said:
I read somewhere today that Mixon said he's tired of the offense playing not to lose instead of being aggressive. The offensive players feel like they're being held back and they're pissed.
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Having a great field goal kicker can be both a blessing and a curse. I feel like the Texans offense becomes far less agressive once we cross midfield because they think they can always kick a long field goal. Well, it burnt them in the ass yesterday.
 
Hoegarden said:
Having a great field goal kicker can be both a blessing and a curse. I feel like the Texans offense becomes far less agressive once we cross midfield because they think they can always kick a long field goal. Well, it burnt them in the ass yesterday.
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I really believe that is one of their biggest problems. They are too willing to settle for a FG. Moving the ball between the 20’s has always been pretty easy. But then they get away from everything that got them there and here comes the cutesy razzle dazzle bullshit. And now with Fairbairn being one of the best 50+ yard kickers in the business, it seems the 40 is good enough for them now.

The emphasis for this team needs to start being TDs. You’re not kicking your way to the SB. So stop with the long developing double reverse halfback pass to the QB bullshit that everyone sees coming a mile away. That hasn’t worked one single freaking time, except that 1 time Diggs ran it in but even that was a busted play.
 
Just when I thought I couldn’t see a dumber play than dropping the ball before you cross the end zone, Tytus Howard tries to snatch the ball from his own QB causing a sack fumble. You can have the greatest coaches in the world, but you can’t coach dumb.
 
You know the very first thing Cj stroud mentioned at the podium besides his usual thanking his lord and savior? “You know, it’s not easy being on 3rd and long a lot”.


^ The fans who take Cj for granted are bashing him because he made slowik look better than what he was. Our year 2 QB shouldn’t have to be absolutely flawless for us to win games. We were put in a lot of 3rd and longs last season as well but Stroud worked his magic like the bengals, buccaneers and so forth games.


I’ve been good at analyzing and predicting the future comings of this team. I know majority of us isn’t happy with Bobby Slowik but they’re not changing the guy who calls the plays in the middle of the year when it took them 9 weeks to change a player out on a bad offensive line. In fact, who knows if they even change him out if he didn’t get injured?


I understand the Slowik supporters and the Cj bashers. The mind set is, “Don’t worry guys. Nico will come back, it’s going get a little better” but the reality is, it’s still going to have a limited ceiling based on what Bobby Slowik has done.


1970 since a team had 5 interceptions and came back from that type of deficit. I’m not defending this f**kng coaching staff. Real fans know we have no shot and is wasting Cjs development. Cj deserves better
 
Hoegarden said:
Just when I thought I couldn’t see a dumber play than dropping the ball before you cross the end zone, Tytus Howard tries to snatch the ball from his own QB causing a sack fumble. You can have the greatest coaches in the world, but you can’t coach dumb.
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The play that made me laugh the most was the screen play to 34 year old Robert woods against a fast defense.
 
My thoughts from this game.
Play calling and not playing to lose is what cost us the game. It’s hard to bash our qb when the opposing team qb had 5 turnovers.

What I hated the most about this game:
4th & 4 with 1:56 in a tie game on Detroits 40, why would you send the kicker out there for a long field? You’re just going give the lions the ball back down 3 with 1:50 to play. They’re going have the ability to tie the game or win the game. You should have kept possession, milked the clock, get off the field with a last second field goal of your own. It’s frustrating because Demeco you’ve watched Shanahan up close and knew that was a stupid decision conservative coaches make. If you made that decision because you don’t trust your offense, you shouldn’t have a oc that ******* sucks
 
Slowik needs to go. He needs to switch jobs with the QB Coach. Current QB coach works with CJ daily, he know what CJ want to do and how he wants to do it. Maybe Slowik working with CJ as the QB Coach will open his eyes as to what will make CJ successful.
 
BullRushTX said:
I read somewhere today that Mixon said he's tired of the offense playing not to lose instead of being aggressive. The offensive players feel like they're being held back and they're pissed.
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Man, the Slowick dominoes are beginning to tip one by one. Slowick better get this figured out fast, if his desire is to remain an NFL OC. Nothing worse than going from the next hot HC to a position coach once again in a single season.
 
Earl34 said:
For the bye week. They need to get Kubiak in the building to self-scout this offense. This 2nd half scoring drought is inexcusable.
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I’ve got to ask, and it isn’t just you who I’ve seen mentioning Kubiak (and don’t get me wrong, I’m as big a fan of Kubiak as the next guy).

But, weren’t the Kubiak years absolutely defined by similar issues on offence? Move the ball at will between the 20’s but unable to get anywhere in the redzone? Games that felt lopsided depending on whether the scripted portion of the playbook worked out or not.

Even the issues on OL weren’t Kubiak’s fixing, he managed to get a great OL coach in to sort it.

I’m sure Gary could work wonders to slow the game down for CJ, but it took him a long time to build above 8-8, and never truly got over the hump. I know injuries pulled the rug on him too soon. As I say, not hating on Kubiak at all, just is he really the magic wand we need?

I wonder if Mike Munchak is bored of mowing the lawn yet? I think he’d get this OL sorted out similar to what Gibbs did for us in the past.
 
welsh texan said:
I’ve got to ask, and it isn’t just you who I’ve seen mentioning Kubiak (and don’t get me wrong, I’m as big a fan of Kubiak as the next guy).

But, weren’t the Kubiak years absolutely defined by similar issues on offence? Move the ball at will between the 20’s but unable to get anywhere in the redzone? Games that felt lopsided depending on whether the scripted portion of the playbook worked out or not.

Even the issues on OL weren’t Kubiak’s fixing, he managed to get a great OL coach in to sort it.

I’m sure Gary could work wonders to slow the game down for CJ, but it took him a long time to build above 8-8, and never truly got over the hump. I know injuries pulled the rug on him too soon. As I say, not hating on Kubiak at all, just is he really the magic wand we need?

I wonder if Mike Munchak is bored of mowing the lawn yet? I think he’d get this OL sorted out similar to what Gibbs did for us in the past.
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Good question. For me, Kubiak has always been a better OC than HC. In that context, I'm not asking for him to put in the game plans or make adjustments during the game. It's more of a consultant role or senior offensive assistant to help/mentor a young OC. I know Bill Lazor is the senior offensive assistant on the staff but I'm not sure about his familiarity with the intricacies of the Shanahan/Kubiak offense.

Also, Browns' HC, Kevin Stefanski is on record how much he learned working with Kubiak and he would talk to him twice a week when he was initially hired by the Browns. Last year, before signing Flacco, Stefanski got feedback from Kubiak who was Flacco's OC in Baltimore when he had his best season. So, Kubiak is still active in the game.

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Carr Bombed said:
So the defensive head coach was supposed to coordinate the offense is camp? No this **** show is squarely on Slowik and if he continues to fail at fixing it, then it falls on Demeco. I hope it doesn't get to that point.
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Seth Payne said that Demeco and Slowiick are real tight, and then he went on to say that's whwn you are a real NFL HC., when the HC has to fire one of his coachs he's personally real close to.
 
Mr teX said:
Everyone assumes progress is linear. 10-7 last year…means we’re gonna be even better this year right? No, no it doesn’t. The road to success is not a straight arrow like that.
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& we're only at the halfway point. We can still finish 12-5.

I had been saying the first 4 - 5 weeks of the season is all smokescreen. You don't really know who's good & who isn't. All you know is some teams have got ahead in the W-L & others didn't.

The next 4 or 5 games... we're starting to see who are the good teams & who aren't. Now we're entering the good part of the season. If you're not playing good football over the next 4 games or so... you may as well start prepping for next season.
 
thunderkyss said:
& we're only at the halfway point. We can still finish 12-5.

I had been saying the first 4 - 5 weeks of the season is all smokescreen. You don't really know who's good & who isn't. All you know is some teams have got ahead in the W-L & others didn't.

The next 4 or 5 games... we're starting to see who are the good teams & who aren't. Now we're entering the good part of the season. If you're not playing good football over the next 4 games or so... you may as well start prepping for next season.
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Last season, the Eagles were 10-1 after an overtime win vs the Bills. Then, Philly went into a tailspin. Won one game the rest of the season and were one and done in the playoffs. After that overtime loss to the Eagles that put them at 6-6 and on the outside of the playoff picture, the Bills won 6 in a row, losing to the Super Bowl champs by 3 in the Divisional round.

Crazy things happen down the stretch.
 
welsh texan said:
I’ve got to ask, and it isn’t just you who I’ve seen mentioning Kubiak (and don’t get me wrong, I’m as big a fan of Kubiak as the next guy).

But, weren’t the Kubiak years absolutely defined by similar issues on offence? Move the ball at will between the 20’s but unable to get anywhere in the redzone? Games that felt lopsided depending on whether the scripted portion of the playbook worked out or not.

Even the issues on OL weren’t Kubiak’s fixing, he managed to get a great OL coach in to sort it.

I’m sure Gary could work wonders to slow the game down for CJ, but it took him a long time to build above 8-8, and never truly got over the hump. I know injuries pulled the rug on him too soon. As I say, not hating on Kubiak at all, just is he really the magic wand we need?

I wonder if Mike Munchak is bored of mowing the lawn yet? I think he’d get this OL sorted out similar to what Gibbs did for us in the past.
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I was not a fan of Kubiak the HC.

Kubiak the OC and playcaller is very, very good IMO.

Kubiak was the HC here 7 full years...Out of those 7 he had a top 10 scoring offense 4 times. His ofense only finished outside of the top 15 in yards per game ONCE...And that was his first year here. Even his eighth year where he was fired and Schaub was throwing pick sixes left and right and Keenum was running backwards into Sacks, the offense finished 11th in yards per game.

I'd take the lone issue of having red zone issues over what we have now.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I was not a fan of Kubiak the HC.

Kubiak the OC and playcaller is very, very good IMO.

Kubiak was the HC here 7 full years...Out of those 7 he had a top 10 scoring offense 4 times. His ofense only finished outside of the top 15 in yards per game ONCE...And that was his first year here. Even his eighth year where he was fired and Schaub was throwing pick sixes left and right and Keenum was running backwards into Sacks, the offense finished 11th in yards per game.

I'd take the lone issue of having red zone issues over what we have now.
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Yes, but even back then we struggled in the red zone.
 
Why is it that when they trail with a divisional 1 or 2 standing team the second half comes and they suck ass? I am referring to the chiefs Texans game where they were trailing by a lot you get the second quarter and they lose by 20 points or something what a blow on a lead good news is its 4 years from now we got the cowboys next week if the Texans lose from that we aren't Superbowl contenders lol.
 
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minus-10.9%: That's how much win probability DeMeco Ryans lost for the Texans when he elected to attempt a field goal on fourth-and-4 from the Lions' 40-yard line, according to the NFL Next Gen Stats model. Houston kicker Ka'imi Fairbairn missed the 58-yard try, and the Lions won the game on the ensuing possession 26-23.

Now, every model is calibrated differently and will spit out different numbers. It's also true that Fairbairn is one of the best kickers in the NFL from 50-plus yards out. But this was about as clear of a "go" situation as there can be at the end of a game.

There were three options here: go, field goal attempt or punt. The Lions had their three timeouts, there was 1:56 remaining, and the ball was on the 40.

Punting was potentially viable -- with a good punt, Houston is forcing the Lions to drive about 50 yards to get into field goal range. But that'd also mean giving the Lions the ball last, with all three timeouts and in a situation where a field goal wins the game. Had the Texans punted, Next Gen Stats had their win probability at 41%. Advantage Lions.

So you're realistically choosing between a field goal attempt and a fourth-down attempt. It's hard to convert on fourth-and-4 but not as hard as you might think. Next Gen Stats gave the Texans a 45.9% chance of converting. This season, exactly 50% of fourth-and-4 attempts outside the red zone (11-of-22) have been successful. In the past five years, it's 49.7%. For comparison, Next Gen Stats has the likelihood of hitting a 58-yarder at only 27.7%. (If that seems low, it's because there's an inherent selection bias to those long field goal numbers; only the guys who are likely to hit them actually get to try them.) We can quibble about the hit rate on 58-yarders all day -- Fairbairn, for what it's worth, has hit 53% in his career from 55-plus -- but that isn't actually the point.

No, this decision wasn't so much about the likelihood of converting the fourth down against the likelihood of converting the field goal so much as it is the value of converting the fourth down against that of converting the field goal. When Houston attempted the field goal, it was guaranteeing the Lions another possession. Sure, Detroit might start at the 48-yard line if the kick misses or the 30 if it hits. And Detroit might need three points to win or three to tie. But regardless, another Lions possession becomes guaranteed, and the game is far from over.

However, attempting the fourth down means another Lions possession would not be guaranteed. Convert, and the Texans have the ability to end the game with the football, possibly kicking the winning field goal as time expires (and from much closer to the goal posts). Even if they don't pick up another first down, they can force the Lions to use all of their timeouts or allow time to run from the clock. That's burning all the resources the Lions would need to make another possession successful.

Because the fourth-down decision should be obvious, it then trickles up into previous decision-making. On third-and-4, when the Texans threw the football, they were trying to pick up the first down. But if they knew they were going for a fourth-down try, they could have spent third down running the football to make the fourth down closer (with the added benefit of making the Lions use a timeout). Fourth-and-2 is much less daunting than fourth-and-4.

This was a coaching error from Ryans and the Texans, plain and simple. It's not why they lost a game they should have won -- it took a total team collapse for that -- but it's a big part of it.
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That last decision by DeMeco is what started me thinking about Dan Campbell. There is zero doubt he would have gone for it. In fairness, to Meco…the Texans offense didn’t exactly give him a lot of confidence. But I would have gone, and given CJ a two-way go, put him on the move with a keeper/pass option. The 3rd down play was just dumb…but that’s another subject.
 
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That last decision by DeMeco is what started me thinking about Dan Campbell. There is zero doubt he would have gone for it. In fairness, to Meco…the Texans offense didn’t exactly give him a lot of confidence. But I would have gone, and given CJ a two-way go, put him on the move with a keeper/pass option. The 3rd down play was just dumb…but that’s another subject.
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Not disputing what you're saying but just want to give folks something to think about...Rolling the QB out works best with successful fakes...Meaning you want teams to honor the run...I'm guessing Detroit wasn't going to bite too hard on a run fake especially in that situation...

The reason you generally want a successful fake on a QB roll out is because you are essentially cutting the field in half and it becomes instant pursuit from the Dline. Think about it, if you're rolling out to the right, you really don't want the QB throwing all the way back across to the other side of the field. CJ isn't terribly slow, but he's not all that fast either.

But again, not disagreeing with you...They need to try some other things to see what works because what they've been doing is garbage.
 
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Seems crazy to think how this played out. That this was intercepted.

Do you think this was truly a brain freeze by Stroud? Or does the number of drops over the past few weeks lead him to send this floater in the hopes to give Tank and easy catch?
 
welsh texan said:
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Seems crazy to think how this played out. That this was intercepted.

Do you think this was truly a brain freeze by Stroud? Or does the number of drops over the past few weeks lead him to send this floater in the hopes to give Tank and easy catch?
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CJ may never see a WR that open again in his entire football career and I'll be ok if I never see this screenshot or play again for the rest of my life.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
CJ may never see a WR that open again in his entire football career and I'll be ok if I never see this screenshot or play again for the rest of my life.
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I bet he puts some juice on that throw every time he sees the shot at the end zone from now on.

CJ seems like a guy who doesn’t need to learn the same lesson twice.
 
welsh texan said:
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Seems crazy to think how this played out. That this was intercepted.

Do you think this was truly a brain freeze by Stroud? Or does the number of drops over the past few weeks lead him to send this floater in the hopes to give Tank and easy catch?
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Those are the toughest throws to make b/c u don’t wanna miss them. So the tendency is to take a little off of it to ensure it’s catchable and not overthrown. Better to miss short and allow the WR to adjust to it than to overthrow it and give the WR no shot whatsoever to catch it…..most times anyway. Saw it a lot with Schaub and AJ.


But what I think happened here is his eyes came down to that defender in front of him and he likely lost his tracking of Dell for that split second which threw off the accuracy. He’s starting to watch the rush…which is a symptom of getting hit so much he’s starting to rush his throws, see ghosts & fade/brace on his throws instead of doing what you’re supposed to do..keeping your eyes downfield and following thru on the throw. Yeah you’re probably gonna take a shot, but that’s the price of doing business. He has to know that in that situation and understand that the most important thing is to get it out there accurately
 
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Seems crazy to think how this played out. That this was intercepted.

Do you think this was truly a brain freeze by Stroud? Or does the number of drops over the past few weeks lead him to send this floater in the hopes to give Tank and easy catch?
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People keep talking about how bad he under threw threw the ball there, but that isn’t the case AT ALL. I was at the game and remember yelling “Throw it to Tank, he’s all alone in the end zone!” While CJ hesitated and finally decided to throw it LATE. CJ’s accuracy is not the issue here. There were constant long developing plays where none of the receivers got open. It was frustrating to see. Phook Slowik, it’s Jerrod Johnson time!
 
Mangler said:
People keep talking about how bad he under threw threw the ball there, but that isn’t the case AT ALL. I was at the game and remember yelling “Throw it to Tank, he’s all alone in the end zone!” While CJ hesitated and finally decided to throw it LATE. CJ’s accuracy is not the issue here. There were constant long developing plays where none of the receivers got open. It was frustrating to see. Phook Slowik, it’s Jerrod Johnson time!
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There were constant plays where receivers did get open and were missed. All season.
 
Mangler said:
People keep talking about how bad he under threw threw the ball there, but that isn’t the case AT ALL. I was at the game and remember yelling “Throw it to Tank, he’s all alone in the end zone!” While CJ hesitated and finally decided to throw it LATE. CJ’s accuracy is not the issue here. There were constant long developing plays where none of the receivers got open. It was frustrating to see. Phook Slowik, it’s Jerrod Johnson time!
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How is it on slowik that CJ hesitated and threw it late?
 
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