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Lets see the blame Carr fans on this one
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CowboysTexansFan
Waterboy
F *** Charley Casserly--got it?
Maybe the team did overachieve last year, but he has underachieved in his horrendous impersonation as a GM. He (along with the coaching staff) needs to have his sorry *** fired or I will seriously consider not renewing my season tickets.
I don't blame Carr for the loss. I thought he had a decent game, though he should've thrown the ball away on a couple of plays. Bradford is such a joke at WR I can't believe that ***** Casserly resigned him. He needs to be given his walking papers at the end of the year. The team desperately needs to sign a legit #2 receiver. I don't know who will be available, but Peerless Price is a guy the team should look at. He couldn't cut it as a #1, but behind AJ I think he would be fine. He certainly would be better than what we have.
Maybe the team did overachieve last year, but he has underachieved in his horrendous impersonation as a GM. He (along with the coaching staff) needs to have his sorry *** fired or I will seriously consider not renewing my season tickets.
I don't blame Carr for the loss. I thought he had a decent game, though he should've thrown the ball away on a couple of plays. Bradford is such a joke at WR I can't believe that ***** Casserly resigned him. He needs to be given his walking papers at the end of the year. The team desperately needs to sign a legit #2 receiver. I don't know who will be available, but Peerless Price is a guy the team should look at. He couldn't cut it as a #1, but behind AJ I think he would be fine. He certainly would be better than what we have.
kenneth24
Waterboy
Runner said:
They handled the line shakeup well? Before Hodgdon injury, time to pass: After Hodgdon injury, no time to pass! The first play after Hodgdon was hurt, carr was running for his life! More PT?!!? are you kidding?!? Wand played quite a bit last year and was starting the first couple of games this year before we put a ROOKIE in that made the line better. Experience can't help speed and quickness! Dlinemen and LBs are flat out beating Wand around the end!
ccdude730 said:
Just a note - I said the same thing about Hodgdon to center, McKinney to guard, Pitts to tackle. Don't expect miracles the first game, give them some time, and they didn't look real good that first game as a unit - penalties and missed assignments. They did improve over time.
This coaching staff doesn't seem to have their starters ready to play; it is small wonder back-ups aren't ready.
kenneth24 said:
I was responding to your claim that he started a couple of games this year.
Yes, he started all 16 games last year, and did far better than the guy our brilliant coaching staff replaced him with this year. That was a coaching mistake, not a player mistake.
kenneth24
Waterboy
Sorry, he played quite a bit in the first couple of games and had been inactive since. you're right though, coaching is terrible! Riley was not the answer either, its no wonder nobody else wanted him. Samething with Bradford, we had let him go, nobody else wanted him and he starts for us? Maybe i shouldn't be slamming wand as much as i should be giving props to hodgdon because he makes the line better around him. Wand might be serviceable as a backup which is what he was in this circumstance but not at left tackle. Maybe the other posters are right and maybe we should try him on the right side.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
rmartin65 said:
i would preffer his rating be -500 impossible but leading the texans to a win but that is to much to ask. David rather throw it in to cdouble coverage than a for sure 1st down with AJ.
ccdude730
Veteran
in the nfl, corey was OPEN even if you say he was double covered. the safetly was late sliding over and bradford had his man beat.Napa Auto Parts said:
it would have been a bad pass/decision if anyone but bradford touched that ball. but as we all saw it was in his hands - he just didnt take care of it when putting it back in. like someone said earlier, if 10 people are covering the wr but he has a step, it doesnt matter because he is still open. enought with the story about it being carr's fault.
kenneth24
Waterboy
Double coverage?!?! Who cares if its double coverage if you can beat it?!?! Man, even our fans are scared like the coaches! OMG!! Don't try to impose our will on the other team!! Which is what football is about! Perfect throw! Bradford was dropping the ball before he was even touched! No hands in Bradfords face to distract him either!
Anybody afraid of Carr or the texans to throw a pass like that are the same people that keep saying we can't beat the colts because of the dreaded cover 2! Heaven forbid if we attack it! Put people in positions to make plays, some do and some don't! Carr did, Bradford didnt!
Anybody afraid of Carr or the texans to throw a pass like that are the same people that keep saying we can't beat the colts because of the dreaded cover 2! Heaven forbid if we attack it! Put people in positions to make plays, some do and some don't! Carr did, Bradford didnt!
THEFUTURE
Rookie
more than 1 player plays a game... how about a defense that doesnt create turnover or create pressure, how about an oline that still gave up 6 sacks? Carr is one man, on a team of many.. Carr can only control what he is supposed to. the Jags had two scoring drives of over 80 yards. is that Carr's fault too??? c'mon get real. Is he supposed to catch the ball for his receivers too now? its not good enough that he delivered the ball to his receiver right into his hands. we win this game, and no one says anything about a supposed poor performance by Carr... if anything we needed DD in there, im sorry but i didnt see anything from Morency or Wells that makes me think they are capable of being a quality starting back, just good enough to be backups, yeah wells carried for 4.2 yards a carry.. but DD usually does way better against a poor jags rush defense (see last year)... so while you Carr bashers are busy blaming the wrong guy... maybe you should go and start looking for a new team to follow or something.. cuz your wrong todaythe wonger need food said:
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Carr had his best game of the season and I belive the Texans played their best game.
Carr did not lose the game nor did he win the game. Bravo to Carr, Wells, Walker, Babin, Hodgdon and AJ.
Carr did not lose the game nor did he win the game. Bravo to Carr, Wells, Walker, Babin, Hodgdon and AJ.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I feel the O was playing fairly well until the center got hurt and wand was playing left tackle. At that point it seemed as though the wheels fell off the bus.
Wells did a good job of running, AJ did a good job of getting open, Corey did score a touchdown and up to the last play was doing a fairly good job of catching the ball. And it's official, Morency couldnt find a running lane with a map and a compass.
What I am puzzled about is why was Bradford the hot read? Dont get me wrong I think the call was right, we needed a big chunk of yardage in a short time. The protection was there and the throw was perfect. Why Bradford? He is not your clutch reciever. why was it not AJ running that same rout?
One last note. Can somebody tell me how on gods green earth you let Gary Coleman, the NFL's slowest man, walk into the endzone untouched from 10 yards out?
Wells did a good job of running, AJ did a good job of getting open, Corey did score a touchdown and up to the last play was doing a fairly good job of catching the ball. And it's official, Morency couldnt find a running lane with a map and a compass.
What I am puzzled about is why was Bradford the hot read? Dont get me wrong I think the call was right, we needed a big chunk of yardage in a short time. The protection was there and the throw was perfect. Why Bradford? He is not your clutch reciever. why was it not AJ running that same rout?
One last note. Can somebody tell me how on gods green earth you let Gary Coleman, the NFL's slowest man, walk into the endzone untouched from 10 yards out?
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Morency had one good run where he showed his explosiveness. He needs more carries to get used to the speed of the NFL...Tatum Bell looked like crap his rookie year, so did Larry Johnson as well. Both those guys are budding superstars now. Not everybody is going to step in as a rookie with no touches and tear up the league right off the bat.TEXANRED said:
the wonger need food
All Pro
Vinny said:
Morency showed some things in the preseason. If they can get him a decent pair of cleats he could be an effective backup.
utahmark
markbeth
carr looked to be getting comfortable for the first time this year. untill pitts went to gaurd.
carr's protection looked a little better verses indy but we were still using 3 step drops.
against clev protection looked a little better.
today for the first quarter and half. line was playing well and carr was looking sharp.
this just helps prove that he can be a good qb givin the protection. i hope hodgdon comes back. i think we will start to see a better carr.
passer rating over 100 today.
the last play of the game is debateable. but i dont see how anyone can dog him for it. he did his part. and if we dont go for it then jacksonville starts putting thier safeties in the endzone and makes us throw to middle of field. that was probably our best chance.
carr's protection looked a little better verses indy but we were still using 3 step drops.
against clev protection looked a little better.
today for the first quarter and half. line was playing well and carr was looking sharp.
this just helps prove that he can be a good qb givin the protection. i hope hodgdon comes back. i think we will start to see a better carr.
passer rating over 100 today.
the last play of the game is debateable. but i dont see how anyone can dog him for it. he did his part. and if we dont go for it then jacksonville starts putting thier safeties in the endzone and makes us throw to middle of field. that was probably our best chance.
In the quantum theory of the universe, every possible outcome of any event happens in a parallel universe. So I slipped over a couple of time streams and...
Last play of the game - Carr throws over the middle to Johnson on 4th down. Andre drops the ball!
Houston fans are livid! Bradford was streaking down the sideline for a sure touchdown. Carr is inept! Why throw to the middle of the field when time is running out? Isn't he trying to win? Is every throw a pass to AJ or a dump off to the RB?
The moral of the story is you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Now to find that time stream where we won today........
Last play of the game - Carr throws over the middle to Johnson on 4th down. Andre drops the ball!
Houston fans are livid! Bradford was streaking down the sideline for a sure touchdown. Carr is inept! Why throw to the middle of the field when time is running out? Isn't he trying to win? Is every throw a pass to AJ or a dump off to the RB?
The moral of the story is you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Now to find that time stream where we won today........
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Runner said:
It is getting high brow in here. Well done.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
V Man said:
So dont count those 2. 4 sacks is still to many to be given up.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
belars44 said:
I was here year 1 through 4 and I see progression. Maybe not in his QB skills because we have never given him a chance to develope. You cant develope when you cant get comfortable in the pocket. But Carr has become more mature and intelligent.
kenneth24
Waterboy
ya know, when Carr first got here he was excited and happy go lucky and would be head-butting his own teammates. but after the poundings he's given up on head-butting his teammates and now it appears he and his teammates are butting heads! :brickwall its alot easier given his physical condition after getting pounded into the turf for 4 straight years!
edo783
Hall of Fame
All through the game several posters were whinning about not throwing anything over 10-12 yards. Then when Carr pitches a perfect strike about 20-25 yards they whine that he should have thrown short. To some it will not matter what Carr does or how well he plays, they will whine because they don't want him at QB. The Bradford throw was a VERY good toss. If he had thrown to AJ, maybe AJ drops it, or maybe he is stoped short of the 1st down, maybe he catches it and they catch him and time runs out or maybe he makes it to the end zone. There are no garantees that the outcome would have been any better or worse. If Mr hands of stone had caught the ball (hit him in the worst possible spot, his hands), we would have been inside the 10 and he would have went out of bounds on the reception, stopping the clock. We would have at least 1 or 2 shots to the enzone from there. Would we have made it????? sorry, the crystal ball is a bit dark on that one.
run-david-run
All Pro
In my stream bradford caught it, we end up socring on the play and, seeing as we are 1-6 we go for it on the 2 point conversion and get it!!! woot, texans win...Runner said:
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
kenneth24 said:I asked this in a previous post---why is David Carr labeled immature for yelling at his teammates and spiking the ball but Peyton Manning is labeled as competitive for doing the exact same thing?!?!
May be Peyton has proven he can win a game from behind or may be he has proven he can win more than two games in a row. just may be?
You know the score. The QB gets too much credit, too much blame. The tougher the loss, the more blame.edo783 said:
I feel for Bradford. He was on the verge of a big day. He had that ball and brought it in to his chest. He had it. Does someone sneak vaseline on Corey's jersey? Just buzzard luck.
kenneth24
Waterboy
Napa Auto Parts said:May be Peyton has proven he can win a game from behind or may be he has proven he can win more than two games in a row. just may be?
But if he acts "professional" and keeps his mouth shut, all he will hear is how he doesn't have any heart and isn't doing anything vocally to lead the team. Because when you have guys dropping the ball on you and giving you nothing but "look-out" blocks you don't get a whole lot of chances to lead by "example".
Goldeagle
Veteran
The pass was perfect, double Coverage or not. You could not have put the ball any better into the hands of Bradford.
ANYONE saying Johnson was open, well hindsight is 20/20 but you have to admit the pass Carr made to Bradford was perfect and he dropped the ball.
With Johnson dropping passes, Carr should have looked for Gaffney, the only guy who can actually catch the ball.
ANYONE saying Johnson was open, well hindsight is 20/20 but you have to admit the pass Carr made to Bradford was perfect and he dropped the ball.
With Johnson dropping passes, Carr should have looked for Gaffney, the only guy who can actually catch the ball.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Runner said:
Exactly right, but the moral to the story is if you filter all your information with a desired result in mind, you will find information to support that desired result. Several folks around here while self-proclaiming themselves as realistic non-homers have an open agenda at this point and have lost any inclination or ability to objectively view Carr's play as a piece of the O.
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
The Texans are on a tough run. I sure hope that all the Carr-bashers will fess up when he is leading us to victories next year.
LBblitz
Waterboy
Carr gets bashed for not throwing to anyone other than AJ or DD. He then gets bashed for not throwing to AJ?! Yes I know AJ was open and could have gotten the first down and out of bounds but at 1-7 you have to go for the win. I see everyone complain how they want play calling to win not to be "close" and bash carr because he went for the win. I really am confused. I personally feel Carr made the right choice and showed his talent to make that throw.
Im by no means a carr basher, but have you guys seen the games and seen instances where he's out of the pocket and can jus throw the ball away instead of taking a sack...he did it on the final drive of the game and it cost them 5 yards! Its not his ability that i'm questioning its his decision making, in the nfl you dont need to have the great athelete to be a good dominant qb, you need parts around you, you need weapons, i know that, but carr in year 4 has taken a giant step back in his progression, he's regressed! No one can argue that, just look at the game tape and you can see that there are lots of sacks this year where he just made the wrong decision.... i hope he's back next year i hope they upgrade the offensive line, and most of all i hope if they have the number 1 pick they take Reggie Bush, the oilers in 87 passed on erik dickerson, i dont want to see the texans make the same mistake, they could use a playmaker running back with the conservative offense they run : )
kenneth24
Waterboy
If his big decision making problem is what that he does not get rid of the ball instead of taking a loss, then I'm confident he can figure that out like you said if they upgrade the O-Line. I agree that he should know that by now (Im tired of yelling at the TV "Throw the damn ball!) but at the same time when Carr does get enough time to throw he makes good throws to the right receiver. Most QBs though would get killed in the pocket and never get a chance to get out and take the 2 to 5 yard loss and the Texans would be stuck with a 10 yard loss.texan0305 said:
But at the same time isn't he suppose to be a leader? He's the number one pick in the draft, he doesn't show the leadership quality's demanded out of a number one pick, why is it that in the post news conference it's never david carr's fault? He never decides to take any blame on him, take the initiative, man up when you've had a bad game. I'm not saying Carr had a bad game last week, actually i'm semi-happy with his performance. But at the same time they lost... he made crucial errors, first the fumble which gave the jags a short field, then the sack for a loss, on both plays carr had time to make the right decision and get rid of the ball but chose not to. Also i agree there are points in the year when he looks like he's got it together where it looks like he can find the reciever down the field, but it's not like the Texans have played great opponents this year the 2 teams that stand out that they just had no chance in where the Steelers, and the Colts, the rest of the games i hate to break it to all the texans fans are winnable games (they stayed with cincinnatti and had a chance to win the game late, and i guarantee no one predicted the Seattle outcome they should have atleast kept it competitive), I hate to beat a dead horse but his decision making throughout the year has been horroundous, he has talent so there is some upside and i hope they stick with him until he has a functional offensive line, but someone on the coaching staff needs to get into his head and let him know that it's not always the lines fault there are instances where sacks are taken when they shouldnt be..........