Lets be ********** Honest.....

[gafftop]

The 49ers have the same players that choked their way out of a division title last
year. The new coach is able to keep those same players focused enough to beat
a 5-0 football team on the road on their way to a 5-1 start on the season.

Dropped balls, running wrong routes, and a myriad of other mental mistakes
point to lack of focus. That lies with coaching, and I'm continually reading
illogical posts clamoring for a team to be successful IN SPITE of its HEAD COACH.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, The evolution of the Texans wholly
depends on the EVOLUTION OF GARY KUBIAK as a HEAD COACH. We've seen
ZERO MOVEMENT in this regard in six seasons.

Last paragraph says it all. Gary lives in his little Bronco world. If not forced we would not have Wade we would have one of his other buddies. I think he is a good man but as a HC he is lacking and does not learn with more experience. Reminds me of Schaub in that area. Loyal to his players and his draft choices to a fault. This is HIS team and he will live and die with them. In the mean time the fans suffer. Would be gone by now if he wasn't such a good person.

This is the best chance we have had to make playoffs but I see us falling short again. I do not see kubiak changing. 1 win vs 20 losses on the road against winning teams says it all.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The teams that do win or have great offenses tend to have a player "Like" AJ .... maybe at a different position but someone who has to be accounted for and schemed to stop.

Take Calvin Johnson away from Detriot and they look a whole lot different.

Take Aaron Rodgers away from the GB offense .....

Or Peyton out of the Dolts lineup .... 0-fer.

The Vikings without AP.

Imagine Baltimore without Ray Rice .... who their entire offense is built around.

Your main cog should be the QB . Didn't the Lions go 0fer with Johnson and the Vikes stink with AP ?

The Patriots and Packers will not slump the way Brady and Rogers play unless they get hurt .

 

[Vinny]

The teams that do win or have great offenses tend to have a player "Like" AJ .... maybe at a different position but someone who has to be accounted for and schemed to stop.

Take Calvin Johnson away from Detriot and they look a whole lot different. They spent a 2 on Titus Young...the Texans have minimal investment past the wr1.

Take Aaron Rodgers away from the GB offense ..... I bet they still win games vs good teams still. their all around team is just too good

Or Peyton out of the Dolts lineup .... 0-fer. Add Peyton now and they are a mediocre team. They have a ton of issues other than offense.

The Vikings without AP. He's a hell of a player, but they aren't winning with him right now anyway pards

Imagine Baltimore without Ray Rice .... who their entire offense is built around. This is the easiest one. When Rice was injured in the past the Ratbirds played well and still ran the ball well with McGahee.

my answers in bold. The injury excuse is just what it is...an excuse. Sure, AJ makes this team better, but if it is all on him or this team is no better than mediocre without him and cannot beat good teams ever...then this team just isn't a good team period.

 

[Shaft75]

my answers in bold. The injury excuse is just what it is...an excuse. Sure, AJ makes this team better, but if it is all on him or this team is no better than mediocre without him and cannot beat good teams ever...then this team just isn't a good team period.

I whole heartedly agree with this...

All you have to do is look at the champs from last year. They stepped it up when they had to, and without some of their starters.

We need the d to stay on track, and more importantly, we need to find our running game. If Kubes wants to manage games, we need our OL, Arian, Ben, and Ward to step it up late in games.

 

[Corrosion]

my answers in bold. The injury excuse is just what it is...an excuse. Sure, AJ makes this team better, but if it is all on him or this team is no better than mediocre without him and cannot beat good teams ever...then this team just isn't a good team period.

Its not all on him ..... But it is on him to be on the field. He could do nothing an entire game and he still changes the way teams play defense against the Texans.

They spent a 2 on Titus Young...the Texans have minimal investment past the wr1.

Yep .... they did. But he's not going to dictate how teams defend them.

As for the Texans .... They have a pretty good #2 in Walter. Its the drop off after that that is hurting them now.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Meh... Andre is a HUGE part of this offense, but then again so is Arian Foster, but then again so is the O-Line. The fact is that any team would struggle without an Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson or Larry FP. That said, if Jacoby Jones could ever live up to his (nevermind ridiculous contract) potential, this offense wouldn't struggle nearly as much without AJ. Re-signing JJ was a mistake. What has he done over the last 4 or 5 years to suggest that he has matured or where we think "the light turned on"??

 

[drunkcookie]

my answers in bold. The injury excuse is just what it is...an excuse. Sure, AJ makes this team better, but if it is all on him or this team is no better than mediocre without him and cannot beat good teams ever...then this team just isn't a good team period.

Really it's not an excuse as much as it's a reason... We're not talking about excusing anyone here, we're talking about what's wrong with a struggling offense that we know is capable of better production...

Personally i'm tired of excuses also, and though i see the lack of Andre and James Casey as a problem for our offense (earlier the RB situation w/Foster etc...), it can't be an excuse for K&S when it's decision time on those two... But we're only six games in and far from being out of it, and even further from that decision point, so all of that crap is fodder for the end of the year...

if you want to talk about what's wrong with this offense right now, there are a couple of "reasons", and one is a very big one...

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[Texan_Bill]

Really it's not an excuse as much as it's a reason... We're not talking about excusing anyone here, we're talking about what's wrong with a struggling offense that we know is capable of better production...

Personally i'm tired of excuses also, and though i see the lack of Andre and James Casey as a problem for our offense (earlier the RB situation w/Foster etc...), it can't be an excuse for K&S when it's decision time on those two... But we're only six games in and far from being out of it, and even further from that decision point, so all of that crap is fodder for the end of the year...

if you want to talk about what's wrong with this offense right now, there are a couple of "reasons", and one is a very big one...

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It's both a reason and an excuse. No offense would thrive after losing their biggest star and a another big piece of their offensive puzzle in James Casey. However, you pay other guys pretty well too, to make plays. I'm looking at you Jacoby Jones.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

It's both a reason and an excuse. No offense would thrive after losing their biggest star and a another big piece of their offensive puzzle in James Casey. However, you pay other guys pretty well too, to make plays. I'm looking at you Jacoby Jones.

IDK ... seems like Rick has been trying to keep draft picks ( overpaying them ) or play draft high picks to save his butt .

 

[drunkcookie]

It's both a reason and an excuse. No offense would thrive after losing their biggest star and a another big piece of their offensive puzzle in James Casey. However, you pay other guys pretty well too, to make plays. I'm looking at you Jacoby Jones.

Absolutely! They're not getting it done (though i will give JJ props for his effort against Baltimore)...

The game against the Raiders was horrible... Schaub was off, JJ was off, the line could have done better etc... But i'm not going to be stubborn by dismissing the notion that the offense has a better chance to do better in that game if AJ's pulling an extra body or two out of that box and running better routes than anyone else on the field... And that having a weapon like Casey in the last half would have provided a better chance...

Either way, it is what it is... We're at 3-3 with a lot of football left to be played... It's time for people to step up...

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[drunkcookie]

It's both a reason and an excuse.

I see you working there, but i may need to explain my angle here...

I'm coming from the angle of explaining why I haven't jumped off the ledge yet in regards to this offense... Some may see my comments as excuses for this offense, but they're not... I'm just giving my reasoning for why i'm going to hold on and keep some faith...

If some guys can step up and get it done against the Titurds and Jaguars without AJ and Casey, i'm confident this offense "can" be fine when those two get back...

Maybe my reasoning is stupid (i don't think so, but admit the possibility), but i'm not excusing anyone...


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[DexmanC]

I don't care if Kubiak loses so many starters, he has to revive the
CBA (Canadian Basketball Association) just to sign players to the
famous "10-day contract."

No more excuses, results or ¡Te vas!

 

[Corrosion]

I don't care if Kubiak loses so many starters, he has to revive the
CBA (Canadian Basketball Association) just to sign players to the
famous "10-day contract."

No more excuses, results or ¡Te vas!

And you see no problem with this thinking .....

There are plenty of reasons to hate on Kubiak .... use of time outs , clock management and challenges .... You dont have to fabricate **** .... he has his warts.

Play calling and game management "This season" is not one of the things you can fault him for. He's given the players he has available more than enough opportunity to suceed ....

Gary stated "We need a hero" to step up while AJ is out .... tell me , who's done that ?

 

[thunderkyss]

Meh... Andre is a HUGE part of this offense, but then again so is Arian Foster, but then again so is the O-Line. The fact is that any team would struggle without an Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson or Larry FP. That said, if Jacoby Jones could ever live up to his (nevermind ridiculous contract) potential, this offense wouldn't struggle nearly as much without AJ. Re-signing JJ was a mistake. What has he done over the last 4 or 5 years to suggest that he has matured or where we think "the light turned on"??

It's not like we signed JJ to a #2 WR contract. It's practically the minimum for his time in the league at his position. He's making less than comparable WRs.... Lance Moore, James Jones, Steve Breaston & he produces about the same.

 

[thunderkyss]

And you see no problem with this thinking .....

Of course he doesn't. He wants Kubiak gone, period. No Arian for the first 3 games.... No Andre for the last two... no Mario for the last two.. No James Casey.

Never mind the fact that we had no OTAs, a shortened offseason.

I understand the demand for results. I understand there is no excuse for those two 3 & outs #Baltimore & the offensive funk in Oakland.

But, when it comes to measure of success for Kubiak, the bar is set at 16-0 regardless what he has to work through to get there.

 

[Vinny]

Of course he doesn't. He wants Kubiak gone, period. No Arian for the first 3 games.... No Andre for the last two... no Mario for the last two.. No James Casey.

Never mind the fact that we had no OTAs, a shortened offseason.

I understand the demand for results. I understand there is no excuse for those two 3 & outs #Baltimore & the offensive funk in Oakland.

But, when it comes to measure of success for Kubiak, the bar is set at 16-0 regardless what he has to work through to get there.

too bad we are the only team with injuries and working with a shortened season.

 

[Corrosion]

too bad we are the only team with injuries and working with a shortened season.

Name one playoff team that has lost its best player on both sides of the ball in recent memory.

A lot is made of last years GB team who suffered a lot of injuries .... Who did they lose ? .... It wasnt Aaron Rodgers or Clay Matthews .... their best and most important players on each side of the ball.
Yeah , GB had a lot of games lost to injury ..... just not All Pro players lost.


As for the shortened offseason - I thought it would give teams with established staffs and rosters an advantage .... a quarter of the way thru the season , teams like the 49ers are making that look ..... like a bad assumption.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Of course he doesn't. He wants Kubiak gone, period. No Arian for the first 3 games.... No Andre for the last two... no Mario for the last two.. No James Casey.

Never mind the fact that we had no OTAs, a shortened offseason.

I understand the demand for results. I understand there is no excuse for those two 3 & outs #Baltimore & the offensive funk in Oakland.

But, when it comes to measure of success for Kubiak, the bar is set at 16-0 regardless what he has to work through to get there.

tkyss, you are losing credibility. just saying. that last sentence is just plain ridiculous.

face it, you have been wrong about stuff before and you are wrong about Kubiak. you are a (very) knowledgeable football fan that gets his vision clouded by koolaid and some false sense of allegiance to Kubiak.

the Texans have had one season ending injury (Mario) and we have been without Andre for 2 damn games. Yeah, it sucks but injuries are part of the game and only in this town do people use them as an excuse.

Kubiak is a losing head coach. That isn't an opinion. That is a fact. So don't act like people are looking for perfection or are unreasonable. We have been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond reasonable.

Kubiak re-signed Carr and cut him 10 months later. Fail.
Kubiak hired two of the worst defensive coordinators in history, with no track record of anything much less success. Then held on to them out of some warped sense of loyalty for 5 years. Fail.
Kubiak and his crony, Smith, have had some of the worst defensive draft picks in history and not just in the 1st Round. Fail.
Kubiak has never met a big game he couldn't lose. Fail.

TK, please get over the love affair with Kubiak. Kubiak has done a pretty good job with turning around the offense, but he has been an awful motivator, time manager, and a loser head coach.

Can we get a coach that is .500 at least? How are we setting the bar too high when the guy can't even reach .500? And I dont want to hear all the excuses because its all total bullshit. seriously dude. its just bullshit.

I know you love the Texans, and I do too. Just don't act like we are anti-Kubiak because we don't like him or that we have set the bar too high. Even if we set the bar at .500, he has failed to do that. What dont you understand.

Maybe spend less time focusing on minutia and more time focusing on the bottom line. Winning. Screw the excuses and the pandering. Screw the rationalizations and the myopia. The team hasn't won because Kubiak is not a good head coach. Its as simple as that. If he was, he wouldn't have waited nearly 6 yrs to hire a decent DC and probably had to be held at gunpoint to even do that. If he was a good coach, we wouldn't have fans still making excuses for him in Year 6. Good coaches win. Bad coaches get fired....unless you work for Bob.

I have always respected you and liked your analysis but this Kubiak apologist thing has gone too far and you need to be called to the carpet for it.

Kubiak is a losing head coach. That isn't a fact and its not up for discussion. Bottom line. Loser...and if you think the team is turning the corner you are wrong.

 

[thunderkyss]

too bad we are the only team with injuries and working with a shortened season.

It's short enough already, no need to cut it down to 6 games. Just give us the same 16 games as the other teams, that's all I'm asking.

Pittsburgh had injuries, their 4-2... New Orleans is 4-2, The Giants are 4-2. Atlanta has had issues, their 3-3. The Jets are 3-3, Kansas City is 2-3, they were expected to win their division or at least contend for it. They aren't out of it. It's a 16 game season & things are going to look very different come January 2nd.

I don't want to mention any names because I don't want to jinx any one (I am superstitious ) but if Greenbay were missing comparable players to who we have missed for the last 6 games, do you think they would be 6-0?

I don't.

 

[thunderkyss]

tkyss, you are losing credibility. just saying. that last sentence is just plain ridiculous.

Then why are we even arguing?

We're 3-3 not 1-5 or 2-4, we're 3-3.

face it, you have been wrong about stuff before and you are wrong about Kubiak. you are a (very) knowledgeable football fan that gets his vision clouded by koolaid and some false sense of allegiance to Kubiak.

No love for Kubiak here.

the Texans have had one season ending injury (Mario) and we have been without Andre for 2 damn games. Yeah, it sucks but injuries are part of the game and only in this town do people use them as an excuse.

Kubiak is a losing head coach. That isn't an opinion. That is a fact. So don't act like people are looking for perfection or are unreasonable. We have been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond reasonable.

No argument here, nothing I've said supports a "Kubiak is a good head coach" argument & I haven't made that argument in over two years.

We're 3-3, two of those losses came with Andre & Mario sitting on the sideline. & it's not like we've lost to the Cardinals or the Rams.

Kubiak is a losing head coach. That isn't a fact and its not up for discussion. Bottom line. Loser...and if you think the team is turning the corner you are wrong.

I haven't said anything to contradict either of these statements in the last two years.

 

[TejasTom]

Kubiak re-signed Carr and cut him 10 months later. Fail.
Kubiak hired two of the worst defensive coordinators in history, with no track record of anything much less success. Then held on to them out of some warped sense of loyalty for 5 years. Fail.
Kubiak and his crony, Smith, have had some of the worst defensive draft picks in history and not just in the 1st Round. Fail.
Kubiak has never met a big game he couldn't lose. Fail.
.

I don't think Kubiak had a choice with Carr. I heard he stopped yelling at him after week 8 though.

I was for bringing him back last year but not this year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Take Calvin Johnson away from Detriot and they look a whole lot different. They spent a 2 on Titus Young...the Texans have minimal investment past the wr1.

my answers in bold. The injury excuse is just what it is...an excuse. Sure, AJ makes this team better, but if it is all on him or this team is no better than mediocre without him and cannot beat good teams ever...then this team just isn't a good team period.

Haven't we won games without Aj? We haven't won the last two without 'Dre, but it's not like we've never won without him. Heck, many here were thinking we had a shot against Oakland & Baltimore without him.

Many think we'll win @Tennessee without him.

If Aaron Rodgers went down today, is it fair to say the Packers won't win another game this season since they haven't done it this seasn, or should we wait to see?

Without Andre, I think this team can win the next three. If we do, I won't say that is any great testament to the coaching ability of Kubiak, it's an expectation.

Let's take a Ray Rice from the Ravens before half time & let's see if they win that game. Let's take Ray Lewis from them in the first Qtr & Torrey Smith in the second half of the next game & lets see if they win that game. Let them play the Saints in the third game & lets see how they do.

They'd be lucky to be 1-2 after that.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Ok, TK. I always respect your knowledge but I was reading your posts as excuses for Kubiak. I know how much AJ means to the team, but us fans can't give Kubes a free pass due to injuries.

The Ravens loss was somewhat expected but at some point someone needs to be accountable for nearly 6 yrs of losing under this regime. If they can't win this year, they never will and if they don't win, heads must roll

 

[thunderkyss]

Ok, TK. I always respect your knowledge but I was reading your posts as excuses for Kubiak. I know how much AJ means to the team, but us fans can't give Kubes a free pass due to injuries.

I'm just trying to keep it real. Some of the Arguments are extremely good & can't be denied. That's why my argument to DexmanC is usually STFU.

The Ravens loss was somewhat expected but at some point someone needs to be accountable for nearly 6 yrs of losing under this regime. If they can't win this year, they never will and if they don't win, heads must roll

I personally (like Vinny I believe it was) think that says a lot about our team to "expect" to lose going in to Baltimore. If we don't think we have a chance to win... something is wrong. (Especially when we keep thinking we should have been 10-6 or better over the last three years running).

The Saints game I put on Kubiak more so than the Ravens game (which I put on Schuab). He decides to run the clock out against Miami with 14 minutes left in the 4th Qtr, but you take a 14 point lead in the 4th against the Saints with 9 minutes left & it's time to air it out?

Really?

I bet Dennison was beside himself.

 

[DexmanC]

Kubiak, whether TK wants to admit it or not, will be the reason this team soars, stalls,
or plummets. At the end of every game, I hear "the offense shoulda done this,"
"the defense shoulda done that.". It is my duty to keep the focus squarely on the
sole person responsible for 2012: Ya boy Gary Kubiak.

Keeps excusing the obvious, and I'll be right here to display the truth again.
Year six, and there are STILL games you go into expecting to lose. You
don't see what's wrong with that?

 

[Corrosion]

Kubiak, whether TK wants to admit it or not, will be the reason this team soars, stalls,
or plummets. At the end of every game, I hear "the offense shoulda done this,"
"the defense shoulda done that.". It is my duty to keep the focus squarely on the
sole person responsible for 2012: Ya boy Gary Kubiak.

Keeps excusing the obvious, and I'll be right here to display the truth again.
Year six, and there are STILL games you go into expecting to lose. You
don't see what's wrong with that?

The Team doesnt go into games expecting to lose. They go into every game thinking "We can win" ..... Every game.


Its the fans expectations you are talking about .... expecting to lose , predicting their record and listing what games we think they win or lose.

 

[thunderkyss]

Year six, and there are STILL games you go into expecting to lose. You
don't see what's wrong with that?

What did I just say?

I personally (like Vinny I believe it was) think that says a lot about our team to "expect" to lose going in to Baltimore.

The Team doesnt go into games expecting to lose. They go into every game thinking "We can win" ..... Every game.


Its the fans expectations you are talking about .... expecting to lose , predicting their record and listing what games we think they win or lose.

You're right, I should have said

I personally think that says a lot when our fans "expect" to lose going in to Baltimore.

 

[Corrosion]

and we have twos studs that need each other - AJ (of course and A Foster) to thrive

People just cant accept the fact that one has an impact on the other ....

I heard a question on talk radio a while back , who would you rather lose for an extended amount of time .... AJ or Foster .... We've lost both for a stretch already this season - Tate filled the void in place of Foster. No one has been able to replace AJ .... I think the question answered itself.


You think about the WR position and think - That guy only gets 8-10 touches a game , hows he so important , then you watch this team play without him on the edge and struggle to do a damn thing offensively and realize just how much attention the opposition gives him .... He's worth 50+ yards in the running game.

Your main cog should be the QB

In an ideal world .... our QB would be our best player ... Thats not the case on this team. Schaub is an average NFL QB.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

People just cant accept the fact that one has an impact on the other ....

I heard a question on talk radio a while back , who would you rather lose for an extended amount of time .... AJ or Foster .... We've lost both for a stretch already this season - Tate filled the void in place of Foster. No one has been able to replace AJ .... I think the question answered itself.


You think about the WR position and think - That guy only gets 8-10 touches a game , hows he so important , then you watch this team play without him on the edge and struggle to do a damn thing offensively and realize just how much attention the opposition gives him .... He's worth 50+ yards in the running game.






In an ideal world .... our QB would be our best player ... Thats not the case on this team. Schaub is an average NFL QB.

That's cause we passed up many a good young QB waiting for the frog to get kissed . Compared to him Schaub's Joe Montana . Compared to Joe , Schaub's average at best .

 

[Corrosion]

That's cause we passed up many a good young QB waiting for the frog to get kissed . Compared to him Schaub's Joe Montana . Compared to Joe , Schaub's average at best .

Thats on Bob McNair .... Not Smith nor Kubiak (or even Capers & Casserly).

It took Kubiak "giving up" on the guy mid season to force a replacement .... Who's been better , just not better enough.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Thats on Bob McNair .... Not Smith nor Kubiak (or even Capers & Casserly).

It took Kubiak "giving up" on the guy mid season to force a replacement .... Who's been better , just not better enough.

I guess my point is after a couple of years you can tell if it's going to happen . The powers that be drafted a QB in the 3rd in 2003 after taking Davy 1st overall , so what's that tell you . Like with Kubiak , Bob got to close to the help .

 

[EllisUnit]

Ohhh how the tides have turned

 

[BullNation4Life]

Ohhh how the tides have turned

Ellis.... are we patting ourselves on the back?

it is true though...

 

[EllisUnit]

Ellis.... are we patting ourselves on the back?

it is true though...

Na but i love to come back and see all the "Sky is falling" posts. Its funny