Last gasp effort by Reggie Bush hype machine...

[GP]

He's what you would call a utility back sort of like how Faulk is used in NE. He's a lot more effective in the passing game at small hitch passes and slants then he'll ever be in the running game. Some teams like to run the ball by those types of short passes and tosses though, utilizing a player's quickness to get to a spot way before anyone else can and he's good in that role. I think it's quite obvious that he'll never be a every down back that goes in between the tackles, but he'll help his team move the chains in a lot of other ways and he'll get reverse plays a lot as well.

Right.

Which is why it was (and still is) insulting to have him propped up by the media as being this player who can dominate games and lift his team upon his shoulders and carry them over the finish line...on a game-to-game basis.

The college game is deceiving because a lot of them get exposed once they reach the NFL. The leap in on-field talent is off the charts--It's basically the best of the best, whereas in college it's a pretty watered-down climate; there's more mediocre players that appear NFL-ready than what actually exists. And some NFL stars don't even shine in college (Tom Brady, for example).

It's why the draft analysts between December and April need to be a little more responsible with how they project and "hype" players. And I wonder if the Reggie Bush-Vince Young-Mario Williams debacle will make them tone their rhetoric down a little bit. There seemed to be a bit more conservative tone by the analysts in this past draft season (to me, at least).

 

[TimeKiller]

Hey Tex, if they keep writing the over-hyped Reggie Bush articles we'll keep bringing them down to earth. Acting like the reason Reggie Bush isn't everything we were told because he's "ahead of his time" is like taking a **** and calling it roses.

In a role with (glaring) limits, he can be a weapon but the circumstances it takes for him to shine are pretty much ri****ingdiculous AND he doesn't really shine that brightly.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Bush is awesome

 

[Texecutioner]

Right.

Which is why it was (and still is) insulting to have him propped up by the media as being this player who can dominate games and lift his team upon his shoulders and carry them over the finish line...on a game-to-game basis.

Well I wouldn't count the guy out as a big time weapon for his team. He was a big time weapon last season all around the field until he got hurt. He also was at the end of his rookie season. Bush was starting to dominate games, and he also had some amazing plays in the post season that year. But then he came back and had a terrible 2nd season, and got hurt at the end as well.. Last season though, he was doing a lot before getting hurt.

The college game is deceiving because a lot of them get exposed once they reach the NFL. The leap in on-field talent is off the charts--It's basically the best of the best, whereas in college it's a pretty watered-down climate; there's more mediocre players that appear NFL-ready than what actually exists. And some NFL stars don't even shine in college (Tom Brady, for example).

Yes, that is true. That's why it's always hard to tell. That's also why I paid A LOT of attention to Mcfadden last season in pre season before my fantasy draft. I watched the way he ran because he is real thin like Bush is. Mcfadden is similar to me because he is easy to tackle like Bush. That's the biggest problem with Bush to me is that he's easy to tackle and you can arm tackle him. Mcfadden doesn't dance around like Bush, but he's easy to tackle. Mcfadden runs North and South real well, but that's about all he can do.

The RB's I look for now days are the ones that have that shake and bake along with pure speed. Guys that can take a first contact and keep running and can't be arm tackled easily.

It's why the draft analysts between December and April need to be a little more responsible with how they project and "hype" players. And I wonder if the Reggie Bush-Vince Young-Mario Williams debacle will make them tone their rhetoric down a little bit. There seemed to be a bit more conservative tone by the analysts in this past draft season (to me, at least).

I don't think that will ever change. People forget how many DE's seem to end up as busts every year that get hyped up just as much as the Reggie Bush types and the QB's as well. There are busts at every position really man.

I think that what they learned is that thin backs like Bush won't make it in the NFL the same way they did in college as the same type of every down back and QB's like VY who have a terrible release and are mainly runners won't make it in the NFL and VY will be the last prospect to ever have that kind of hype again as QB. Vick ended up being a pretty poor QB after a few years in the league. He was really good at first, but once teams figured him out Vick couldn't do a whole lot because he wasn't a passer.

 

[Texecutioner]

Hey Tex, if they keep writing the over-hyped Reggie Bush articles we'll keep bringing them down to earth. Acting like the reason Reggie Bush isn't everything we were told because he's "ahead of his time" is like taking a **** and calling it roses.

Are you suggesting that he wasn't having a very good season last year for any kind of player before getting hurt?

In a role with (glaring) limits, he can be a weapon but the circumstances it takes for him to shine are pretty much ri****ingdiculous AND he doesn't really shine that brightly.

He was shining pretty brightly last season before he got hurt. Who cares if he runs in between the tackles or how he's making plays. He's a utility back and won't have crazy numbers as a runner. That was established after his 2nd season. But he is a good player and moves the chains in a lot of ways. He's just not your average RB. He's a utility back that can be moved all over the field and be used differently and there aren't a lot of backs that can be effective in many ways that he can. He might not be good in between the tackles, but he's good in other ways where other backs aren't as well.

 

[eriadoc]

Bush is a very good player. He was a freaking stud last season at all purpose yards...

All purpose yardage is the biggest BS snow job that the media ever pulled on y'all. In Bush's rookie year, for instance, he had 1523 all purpose yards (565 rushing, 742 rec, and 216 PR). Sounds good, right? Well, the year before, Jerome Mathis had 1675 all purpose yards. So that stat is garbage. Actually, more worthless than garbage. It's a made-up stat to make guys like Reggie Bush seem more valuable than they are. Total yards from scrimmage is a valuable stat - all purpose yardage is not.

 

[eriadoc]

He's what you would call a utility back sort of like how Faulk is used in NE.

I can't tell you the last time I had Kevin Faulk news crammed down my throat.

 

[Texecutioner]

All purpose yardage is the biggest BS snow job that the media ever pulled on y'all. In Bush's rookie year, for instance, he had 1523 all purpose yards (565 rushing, 742 rec, and 216 PR). Sounds good, right? Well, the year before, Jerome Mathis had 1675 all purpose yards. So that stat is garbage. Actually, more worthless than garbage. It's a made-up stat to make guys like Reggie Bush seem more valuable than they are. Total yards from scrimmage is a valuable stat - all purpose yardage is not.

All purpose yards is crap? What planet are you living on?

You can call it crap if you want to refer to KR yards, but not when it comes to receiving and rushing. That is the biggest piece to look at to see who is moving the ball around the field. A guy that can move the ball effectively in many ways is a very valuable player. RB's aren't being asked to just run the ball up the middle or a sweep anymore. They're being asked to do a lot more and be effective in the passing game as well and the guys that are multi purpose backs are proving to be more valuable commodities more and more now days. You will always have your bruising backs as well like the Lendale White types but there will always be games where teams O lines can't open up big holes at the line of scrimmage and they'll have to depend on getting their RB's the ball with short pass plays and screens and the RB's that know how to run easy short routes and can get the ball that way as well as running the ball from a hand off have a much higher % of getting the ball in space where they can be more effective. That is how you get all purpose yards and to call that stat garbage you're basically suggesting that receiving yards aren't important and that rushing yards aren't that important, so then you don't even have an offense at all if you're going to suggest that rushing and receiving aren't important.

 

[Texecutioner]

I can't tell you the last time I had Kevin Faulk news crammed down my throat.

You see, then you clearly don't understand different intangibles about football and moving the chains then from a RB's stand point laugh at a guy like Faulk. Ask any NE fan about Faulk and they'll all tell you how much they love the guy. He's been an ultimate weapon for NE. He just doesn't have huge crazy stats or anything like that, but he's about as dependable of a player as it gets and every year he gets better in the passing game. He's been a very critical part of their offense especially in some of their post season runs at catching short 8 to 15 yard pass plays on 3rd downs and at crucial times where they needed a play and he's always been a consistent guy to do it. RB's now days are being asked more and more to catch passes and get yards after the catch. Faulk isn't a HR hitter or anything, but he's a reliable guy that gets the job done.

 

[eriadoc]

All purpose yards is crap? What planet are living on?

You can call it crap if you want to refer to KR yards, but not when it comes to receiving and rushing. That is the biggest piece to look at to see who is moving the ball around the field. A guy that can move the ball effectively in many ways is a very valuable player.

That's precisely the difference between "yards from scrimmage" and "all purpose yards". Yards from scrimmage has been used for a long time to show combined rushing and receiving. All purpose yards was a term used to lump in kick return and punt return yards, to try and make certain players look better than they really are.

 

[eriadoc]

You see, then you clearly don't understand different intangibles about football and moving the chains then from a RB's stand point laugh at a guy like Faulk. Ask any NE fan about Faulk and they'll all tell you how much they love the guy. He's been an ultimate weapon for NE. He just doesn't have huge crazy stats or anything like that, but he's about as dependable of a player as it gets and every year he gets better in the passing game. He's been a very critical part of their offense especially in some of their post season runs at catching short 8 to 15 yard pass plays on 3rd downs and at crucial times where they needed a play and he's always been a consistent guy to do it. RB's now days are being asked more and more to catch passes and get yards after the catch. Faulk isn't a HR hitter or anything, but he's a reliable guy that gets the job done.

I clearly understand it, and respect Faulk's game. I was just noting that I don't have Kevin Faulk news crammed down my throat all the time like I do for Reggie Bush. If you want to lump Reggie Bush in with Kevin Faulk, I'm OK with that. Convince BSPN to start covering him accordingly, please.

 

[Mr teX]

This is just another clear cut Bash on Reggie Bush/VY Thread.

In this forum, Bush and VY will always be targets at least once a month for fans to look to bash on simply because they can't get over the fact that the Texans caught so much flack for not drafting either one. It's like 3 or 4 years later now, and you'd think it would die at some point, but many fans in here need to do this to feel better about the Texans. It's obvious that Mario was easily the better pick out of the 3 so I've got no idea why people can't get off of it or why Slaton is even compared to Bush at all considering how Slaton was drafted 3 years later and has no ties to Bush in and sort of way. Lol!

Bush is a very good player. He was a freaking stud last season at all purpose yards and TD's before he got hurt for a lot of games. He was doing great in returning kicks. Anyone saying that he isn't effective on the field for the Saints after what he was doing last season before injury was either not watching any Saints games, or just hates the guy.

I really don't care. He's far from a bust. He had way to much hype coming into the league and that's the biggest issue really. He had way to much hype that he would never reach. Many analysts actually said that he would never reach the ultimate hype before he came into the league, but people like to forget that. I imagine if he's healthy this season he'll continue to score some TD's and stack up some nice all purpose yards for his team.

exactly.

 

[Texecutioner]

I clearly understand it, and respect Faulk's game. I was just noting that I don't have Kevin Faulk news crammed down my throat all the time like I do for Reggie Bush. If you want to lump Reggie Bush in with Kevin Faulk, I'm OK with that. Convince BSPN to start covering him accordingly, please.

Faulk will never be covered like that because he isn't a HR threat and never has been. But make no mistake about how important he's been to the success of the NE Patriots, because he's been MR. Reliable for them. Go back to two seasons ago in the post season where the Patriots lost that SB but had some tough match ups in the playoffs, they weren't running the ball well at all and Moss wasn't doing jack in the post season. NE was getting up and down the field though through one short pass after another and Faulk was getting a ton of them. He knows how to get open from the back field, he can line up in the slot and can block for the QB very well. He's an extremely under rated player.

Bush can do a lot of what Faulk can do in that regard, but can't block worth a crap so he'll have to improve there. Bush can hit the big HR play though and because of that the media will continue to talk about the guy some. I don't think Bush is over rated at all anymore though. The media doesn't talk about him nearly like they used to. He isn't even talked about that much at all actually. I've hardly even heard about Bush in this entire off season. Most analysts and writers know now that he's just a glorified Utility Back, but that doesn't mean that he's not a good player.

 

[Goldensilence]

Right.

Which is why it was (and still is) insulting to have him propped up by the media as being this player who can dominate games and lift his team upon his shoulders and carry them over the finish line...on a game-to-game basis.

The college game is deceiving because a lot of them get exposed once they reach the NFL. The leap in on-field talent is off the charts--It's basically the best of the best, whereas in college it's a pretty watered-down climate; there's more mediocre players that appear NFL-ready than what actually exists. And some NFL stars don't even shine in college (Tom Brady, for example).

It's why the draft analysts between December and April need to be a little more responsible with how they project and "hype" players. And I wonder if the Reggie Bush-Vince Young-Mario Williams debacle will make them tone their rhetoric down a little bit. There seemed to be a bit more conservative tone by the analysts in this past draft season (to me, at least).

Good first part of the post and I think the second part is partially true. I don't think there was a guy this draft who you could really hype up aside from Mark Sanchez, who I'm still not sold on. IMO the hype and a weak QB class got him into the fifth spot. I think USC gets large hype on offensive side with not enough credit for the consistent talent they have on defense and how is translates well to the NFL. It was also a year that saw teams in the top 10 for the most part make trench decisions. Guy who impressed me the most is Jason Smith.

I think Crabtree could've been hyped a lot more but the broken ankle and the fact he played in a football outpost like tech (no offense tech fans) didn't help. Had he acheived what he did in a more media friendly place I think we'd all be cringing come draft day.

I fully expect the hype machine to beback next year with a good QB class(Bradford and McCoy) but the guy that'll get the real hype will be Tebow.

Far as Bush goes, I think he does well, not great, but well in the role that Payton has made for him. Definitely not worth the money and spot he was taken. This article was laughable.

 

[TimeKiller]

Are you suggesting that he wasn't having a very good season last year for any kind of player before getting hurt?

No, I'm suggesting we let him finish his career before we vote him into the Hall of Fame. Or maybe let him do something truly special before anyone dares call him "ahead of the league".

He was shining pretty brightly last season before he got hurt. Who cares if he runs in between the tackles or how he's making plays. He's a utility back and won't have crazy numbers as a runner. That was established after his 2nd season. But he is a good player and moves the chains in a lot of ways. He's just not your average RB. He's a utility back that can be moved all over the field and be used differently and there aren't a lot of backs that can be effective in many ways that he can. He might not be good in between the tackles, but he's good in other ways where other backs aren't as well.

Yes, he can do a lot of things but unfortunately does none of them well. That's the point.

 

[Texecutioner]

No, I'm suggesting we let him finish his career before we vote him into the Hall of Fame. Or maybe let him do something truly special before anyone dares call him "ahead of the league".

That hype machine a few of you are referring to hasn't existed for a long time. All I hear most analysts saying is that he was over hyped from the very beginning and it was unfair to expect any player to reach that sort of hype because it was way to much for any player. I don't hear any analysts running around talking about him anywhere close to how they did before that draft.

Yes, he can do a lot of things but unfortunately does none of them well. That's the point.

You're saying that he doesn't catch short passes well and get good yards after the catch? Well that's a bunch of hogwash and you know it. He had 742 yards receiving from the RB position as a rookie. What other rookie RB has piled up that many yards receiving ever?

Before getting injured last season

Game 1 51 yards rushing 116 receiving 1TD
Game 2 28 yards rushing 63 receiving
game 3 73 yards rushing 1 TD 75 yards receiving 1 TD
Game 4 31 yards rushing 7 yards receiving
Game 5 29 yards rushing 64 yards receiving
Game 6 27 yards rushing 1TD 21 yards receiving 1 TD
Game 7 55 yards rushing 5 yards receiving (And got hurt in that game)

So basically this shows that he's a situational runner and as a RB he's very good in the passing game. He had 5 TD's in rushing and receiving in his first 7 games which isn't even in half of a season. I'd say that is pretty good. And he had 3 PR's for TD's before getting hurt as well, so that is 8 TD's altogether in the first 7 games of the season. As far as TD's that is damn good. He was very effective as a RB catching passes, but you can't compare him to WR's when he plays RB. You have to compare his receiving numbers to other RB's. As a RB, well he really isn't one. He's a situational runner at this point. But over all he was having a very good season for any player before getting hurt.

 

[Goldensilence]

That hype machine a few of you are referring to hasn't existed for a long time. All I hear most analysts saying is that he was over hyped from the very beginning and it was unfair to expect any player to reach that sort of hype because it was way to much for any player. I don't hear any analysts running around talking about him anywhere close to how they did before that draft.




You're saying that he doesn't catch short passes well and get good yards after the catch? Well that's a bunch of hogwash and you know it. He had 742 yards receiving from the RB position as a rookie. What other rookie RB has piled up that many yards receiving ever?

Before getting injured last season

Game 1 51 yards rushing 116 receiving 1TD
Game 2 28 yards rushing 63 receiving
game 3 73 yards rushing 1 TD 75 yards receiving 1 TD
Game 4 31 yards rushing 7 yards receiving
Game 5 29 yards rushing 64 yards receiving
Game 6 27 yards rushing 1TD 21 yards receiving 1 TD
Game 7 55 yards rushing 5 yards receiving (And got hurt in that game)

So basically this shows that he's a situational runner and as a RB he's very good in the passing game. He had 5 TD's in rushing and receiving in his first 7 games which isn't even in half of a season. I'd say that is pretty good. And he had 3 PR's for TD's before getting hurt as well, so that is 8 TD's altogether in the first 7 games of the season. As far as TD's that is damn good. He was very effective as a RB catching passes, but you can't compare him to WR's when he plays RB. You have to compare his receiving numbers to other RB's. As a RB, well he really isn't one. He's a situational runner at this point. But over all he was having a very good season for any player before getting hurt.

I think he's pretty much Dave Meggett 2.0. Not that that's terrible at all but a far cry from the calls of this generations Gale Sayers (no offense to Gale Sayers). I think he also benefits from a very good QB who makes good decisions with the football. Not sure many other QBs could make the WR corps there look as good as Brees does. I also give a lot of credit to Payton for figuring out real quickly the guy isn't a true RB and hasn't pressed him into the role and has found ways to creatively get him the ball. I also have to give him credit for trying to step up this year when Deuce went down, his body just couldn't handle going full time. I hear he's really dedicating himself this off-season to being the guy. I hope he does b/c N.O. is going to need it in that division this year. Bungling Tampa aside now, Falcons and Panthers look tough.

Far as some people feeling sorry that the guy could never match the hype. Can't feel sorry for him a bit. From day one he's fed himself into the hype including his contract holdout and still not fully answering questions about some questionable actions at USC. Alabma just got put on probation for MUCH less.

 

[Texecutioner]

I think he's pretty much Dave Meggett 2.0. Not that that's terrible at all but a far cry from the calls of this generations Gale Sayers (no offense to Gale Sayers).

You want to talk about over rated? Gale Sayers was extremely over rated if you look at him from a numbers stand point. He had like two good seasons.

I think he also benefits from a very good QB who makes good decisions with the football. Not sure many other QBs could make the WR corps there look as good as Brees does. I also give a lot of credit to Payton for figuring out real quickly the guy isn't a true RB and hasn't pressed him into the role and has found ways to creatively get him the ball. I also have to give him credit for trying to step up this year when Deuce went down, his body just couldn't handle going full time. I hear he's really dedicating himself this off-season to being the guy. I hope he does b/c N.O. is going to need it in that division this year. Bungling Tampa aside now, Falcons and Panthers look tough.

Agree with all of this. A lot of people don't count for how many plays Peyton uses him effectively as a decoy on reverse plays and other play action plays.

Far as some people feeling sorry that the guy could never match the hype. Can't feel sorry for him a bit. From day one he's fed himself into the hype including his contract holdout and still not fully answering questions about some questionable actions at USC. Alabma just got put on probation for MUCH less.

Anyone feeling sorry for him in any way would be ridiculous. He got a ton of money for where he was drafted, and Bush and his parents are all dishonest people who have caused USC a lot of problems as well. Not that I would ever feel sorry for USC either, but this whole scandal with him could have easily been avoided had they just held up their end of the bargain with those dirty agents. Bush and his parents are all liars obviously and no one should feel sorry for them in any sort of way.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Before getting injured last season

Well that seems to be problematic too. His career reads this way:
2006 G-16; GS-8
2007 G-12; GS-10
2008 G-10; GS-9

Out of 48 possible games, he's been available for 38 and only started 27.

You want to talk about over rated? Gale Sayers was extremely over rated if you look at him from a numbers stand point. He had like two good seasons.

Huh?? Two good seasons or did you mean 5? Just because Running backs didn't reach 1,000 yards doesn't mean they weren't effective, especially with 2 less games than the regular season has now. One or two of those seasons that he didn't reach 1,000, Brian Piccolo took some rushes away.

 

[Texecutioner]

Well that seems to be problematic too. His career reads this way:
2006 G-16; GS-8
2007 G-12; GS-10
2008 G-10; GS-9

Out of 48 possible games, he's been available for 38 and only started 27.

Yeah, he's been somewhat injury prone for sure. No argument there.

Huh?? Two good seasons or did you mean 5? Just because Running backs didn't reach 1,000 yards doesn't mean they weren't effective, especially with 2 less games than the regular season has now. One or two of those seasons that he didn't reach 1,000, Brian Piccolo took some rushes away.

He was very over rated from a stat perspective.

He only went over 1,000 yards twice and one time he barely got over it.

He only had over 10 TD's rushing once. He went over 400 yards receiving twice which isn't saying much.

Now he was pretty good in KR's as well, but nothing that special.

Now I know that some players were great in their own way that sometimes numbers can't exactly tell it all, but the 14 games a year argument doesn't hold even a candle here, because there were plenty of other HOF RB's that were putting up way better numbers than that in that same era with the same amount of games.

I wasn't alive then or anywhere close to being alive, but from a numbers stand point, I can't see why he's ever been in the HOF at all when looking at his production.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Yeah, he's been somewhat injury prone for sure. No argument there.







He was very over rated from a stat perspective.

He only went over 1,000 yards twice and one time he barely got over it.

He only had over 10 TD's rushing once. He went over 400 yards receiving twice which isn't saying much.

Now he was pretty good in KR's as well, but nothing that special.

Now I know that some players were great in their own way that sometimes numbers can't exactly tell it all, but the 14 games a year argument doesn't hold even a candle here, because there were plenty of other HOF RB's that were putting up way better numbers than that in that same era with the same amount of games.

I wasn't alive then or anywhere close to being alive, but from a numbers stand point, I can't see why he's ever been in the HOF at all when looking at his production.

Same era.

1971 Floyd Little (29) 1,133 DEN
1970 Larry Brown (23) 1,125 WAS
1969 Gale Sayers+ (26) 1,032 CHI
1968 Leroy Kelly+ (26) 1,239 CLE
1967 Leroy Kelly+ (25) 1,205 CLE
1966 Gale Sayers+ (23) 1,231 CHI


BTW
1,000 / 16 games = 62.5 YPG
1,000 / 14 games = 71.4 YPG
That adds up. Would it be more impessive if you took 144 yards and added to Sayers' "barely 1,000 yards"(1032)? That would've given him 1176.

As far as receptions that's like comparing apples to oranges. The Bears of that era didn't throw the ball. They went through 5 QB's during that time and sucked pretty bad. THe only winning season they had was Sayers rookie seaosn when they went 9-5. These are the biggest reasons numbers don't tell the whole story.

 

[TimeKiller]

That hype machine a few of you are referring to hasn't existed for a long time. All I hear most analysts saying is that he was over hyped from the very beginning and it was unfair to expect any player to reach that sort of hype because it was way to much for any player. I don't hear any analysts running around talking about him anywhere close to how they did before that draft.

What do you think this article is man? Maybe a few analysts have let it go but clearly not everyone is ready to let the legend of Reggie Bush actually play itself out on the field.

You're saying that he doesn't catch short passes well and get good yards after the catch? Well that's a bunch of hogwash and you know it. He had 742 yards receiving from the RB position as a rookie. What other rookie RB has piled up that many yards receiving ever? I don't know, most rookie RBs go for rushing yards and such.

So basically this shows that he's a situational runner and as a RB he's very good in the passing game. He had 5 TD's in rushing and receiving in his first 7 games which isn't even in half of a season. I'd say that is pretty good. And he had 3 PR's for TD's before getting hurt as well, so that is 8 TD's altogether in the first 7 games of the season. As far as TD's that is damn good. He was very effective as a RB catching passes, but you can't compare him to WR's when he plays RB. You have to compare his receiving numbers to other RB's. As a RB, well he really isn't one. He's a situational runner at this point. But over all he was having a very good season for any player before getting hurt.

First off, health is part of the game. Another area he is sorely lacking in. And as a RB, which is what he is supposed to be, he's 3 yards and a cloud of hype. Why can't we compare him to WR if he's such a dynamic pass catcher? Because all he does is let Drew Brees and Colston take all the attention downfield and when there is 7 yards for him to eat up he'll be right there getting credit for 11. You certainly can't compare him to RBs and say he's carving out a niche doing something that RBs really aren't on the field to do. That's taking a **** and calling it roses. Call it what you want to, for #2 overall that's failure. Maybe his "all-purpose" yards will keep him from busting but he's a hell of a long way from being a legitimate "playmaker".

 

[Texecutioner]

What do you think this article is man? Maybe a few analysts have let it go but clearly not everyone is ready to let the legend of Reggie Bush actually play itself out on the field.

So what. There is always one guy out there that will write some article about this or that. That doesn't mean that there is still all of this hype everywhere that he's this wonder back. That hype died after his 2nd season.

Why can't we compare him to WR if he's such a dynamic pass catcher? Because all he does is let Drew Brees and Colston take all the attention downfield and when there is 7 yards for him to eat up he'll be right there getting credit for 11.

Sorry, but this statement doesn't fly. You obviously forgot that Colston only played like one and a half of the first two games last season and was hurt for like 8 straight games after that, so Reggie Bush was playing without Colston all of that time out of the lineup before he got hurt himself.

And even if so, isn't that what every RB does who is catching short passes on his team? The WR's are running their routes and trying to draw the defenders deep to make room for the RB to get in space. HOw do you bash Bush for this, but every other RB in the league doesn't get criticized for it? That is a huge reach.

You certainly can't compare him to RBs and say he's carving out a niche doing something that RBs really aren't on the field to do.

He isn't carving a niche because there have been plenty of RB's doing similar things on the field in the passing game for years. LT has been doing it, Westbrook has been doing it, Leon Washington is currently playing a very similar role that Bush is playing right now, Kevin Faulk plays practically the same role, so this bashing that you're giving Bush is pretty ridiculous considering that there are other RB's that have similar roles on their team, but you're not bashing their play for it.

Maybe his "all-purpose" yards will keep him from busting but he's a hell of a long way from being a legitimate "playmaker".

Just because he doesn't fit your typical mold of a RB doesn't mean he isn't a play maker for his team. Saying that Bush isn't a play maker is a freaking joke. The guy had 8 TD's in the first 7 games of the season last year which combined from receiving TD's, rushing TD's, and a few PR's. He was quite versatile.

I wish fans would just get over the fact that the Texans didn't draft Bush, and let it go and stop trying to prove to themselves Mario was the right pick. It's obvious that he was, relentlessly bashing Reggie Bush once a month and acting like he sucks isn't going to change anything. Mario was the right pick, but that doesn't mean that Bush has been a bad player by any means. He just wasn't worth the #2 draft pick, that's all.

 

[TimeKiller]

Sorry, but this statement doesn't fly. You obviously forgot that Colston only played like one and a half of the first two games last season and was hurt for like 8 straight games after that, so Reggie Bush was playing without Colston all of that time out of the lineup before he got hurt himself.

I sure did. Brees + anything = somebody else is open so...it's all the same.

And even if so, isn't that what every RB does who is catching short passes on his team? The WR's are running their routes and trying to draw the defenders deep to make room for the RB to get in space. HOw do you bash Bush for this, but every other RB in the league doesn't get criticized for it? That is a huge reach.

How do I bash Bush but no one else? Let's see, because no one else is being heralded as "before his time". There is your huge reach.

Why is it that Bush is a hell of a 5th option but gets the glory of the go-to guy?

He isn't carving a niche because there have been plenty of RB's doing similar things on the field in the passing game for years. LT has been doing it, Westbrook has been doing it, Leon Washington is currently playing a very similar role that Bush is playing right now, Kevin Faulk plays practically the same role, so this bashing that you're giving Bush is pretty ridiculous considering that there are other RB's that have similar roles on their team, but you're not bashing their play for it.

LT is a monster RB, a real one and so is Westbrook on top of their catching ability. There are your "before their time" players. Your legitimate "playmakers". Faulk is a hell of a 5th option too but no one is putting him in the HOF just yet...

Just because he doesn't fit your typical mold of a RB doesn't mean he isn't a play maker for his team. Saying that Bush isn't a play maker is a freaking joke. The guy had 8 TD's in the first 7 games of the season last year which combined from receiving TD's, rushing TD's, and a few PR's. He was quite versatile.

Sure. He had 8 TDs and he'll get credit for about 20. Kevin Walter had 8 TDs but I see no articles on how he's "before his time". At this point Bush is sort of a playmaker as long as many circumstances are met, legitimate threat no.

I wish fans would just get over the fact that the Texans didn't draft Bush, and let it go and stop trying to prove to themselves Mario was the right pick. It's obvious that he was, relentlessly bashing Reggie Bush once a month and acting like he sucks isn't going to change anything. Mario was the right pick, but that doesn't mean that Bush has been a bad player by any means. He just wasn't worth the #2 draft pick, that's all.

Who said anything about Mario? This has nothing to do with Mario.

And Bush still wasn't worth the #2 pick.