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[thunderkyss]

Quick , agile 300lb men are worth their weght in gold ... it really does'nt matter where you put him as long as he disrupts . Why take Vince when you could get Cutler ?

Trading down to get Cutler........... now that would've been cool.

 

[michaelm]

I will say this again.

The Texans are the one team that visited, interviewed, and researched Reggie Bush.
And he Texans are the one team that passed on him.

Hell, the team that picked him, reportedly never even sent a represenative for a visit because they assumed he wouldn't be there.

The team that had the most informtion about RB is the one team that passed on him...


It might mean nothing, but then again, it might mean everything...

 

[real]

Right now, Mario is our best DT...... with maybe the exception of TJ. Robair isn't getting it done....... run or pass, and Payne doesn't appear to have the strength to push the OG back. I like his motor, he never gives up on a play, but he hasn't seen the backfield all preseason(but it is preseason).

Babin, right now, is clearly our best DE.... don't be a homer, you know it's true. Mario is bigger, should be stronger, but so far, Jason appears to be more explosive, and quicker at getting to the QB.

It don't mean nothing, but my opinion is our best line would be Babin, Mario, TJ, Peek.

I don't deny that Mario can be soooo much more than what Babin is. & one day he will be a beast, and better than Babin. But then Jason would be our second best DE.

I'm more upset at signing Weaver than signing Mario though. To me, Mario makes sense. I'm good with that.

But Weaver....... OUr best DEs right now, is Babin, Kalu, Mario, Peek, Cochran, Weaver....... that's the way I see it.

I haven't seen Weaver stop a run as a tackle, or an end........ so I really don't see the benefit, of the signing, or the big money we're giving him.

If you think Weaver is doing a bad job at SDE you would absolutely have a heart attack with Peek or Babin playing that position, because not only would they not make any tackles they would probably both be injured by half time...

Weaver has done a good job...He has done his Job...that is why I wanted him at SDE and Mario at WDE, because the primary job of a SDE is to not get pushed back and to take up blocks...Weakside DE needs to have more agility, speed, quickness...Because they are the ones you count on for pass rushing, coming down the line on plays away, and boot legs...all of which require speed, agility, and quickness....Think of SDE like a rock...and that is what weaver has been...And by moving Mario to WDE it allows him to take advantage of his best attributes...Kubiak did the right thing and Weaver, TJ, Payne/Robaire, Mario is by far our best line...

*AW is the best SDE that we have...better than Mario...Mario is the best WDE we have...Better than peek and babin...combined...

 

[HOU-TEX]

Right now, Mario is our best DT...... with maybe the exception of TJ. Robair isn't getting it done....... run or pass, and Payne doesn't appear to have the strength to push the OG back. I like his motor, he never gives up on a play, but he hasn't seen the backfield all preseason(but it is preseason).

Babin, right now, is clearly our best DE.... don't be a homer, you know it's true. Mario is bigger, should be stronger, but so far, Jason appears to be more explosive, and quicker at getting to the QB.

It don't mean nothing, but my opinion is our best line would be Babin, Mario, TJ, Peek.

I don't deny that Mario can be soooo much more than what Babin is. & one day he will be a beast, and better than Babin. But then Jason would be our second best DE.

I'm more upset at signing Weaver than signing Mario though. To me, Mario makes sense. I'm good with that.

But Weaver....... OUr best DEs right now, is Babin, Kalu, Mario, Peek, Cochran, Weaver....... that's the way I see it.

I haven't seen Weaver stop a run as a tackle, or an end........ so I really don't see the benefit, of the signing, or the big money we're giving him.

Have I missed something here? How many sacks does Babin have vs Peek?

 

[Wolf]

So basically, this guy is saying that Mario will be a 2-3 year project? Great No. 1 overall pick...especially when (a) Davis' knee is shot, and (b) Carr looks like a high school freshman at QB. If we were going to take a project as the No. 1 overall pick, we should have taken Vince Young. Otherwise we should have taken Reggie Bush. Aside from that, we should have traded down to take Mario, because he still would have been available.

I honestly didnt' read the other posts.. if it takes 2-3 years to be a project and he develops into a good player, so be it..baring injury Mario has still 10 years in the league left in him.. Bush..well maybe 3-4 real productive, because speed will slow, mario will still have size and strength (baring a shoulder injury)to keep collapsing the pocket (from what we have seen in preseason so far.

on the flip side..heck both players don't develop.. look at the 2002 1st round draft.. roy williams is about the only SUPERSTAR from that draft.

 

[texansfaninla]

Yes, let's speculate. Let's say the Texans drafted Bush. Let's say he bought into the one cut system. And let's say, for the fun of it, that Domanick Davis can't play this year. Wouldn't that be a perfect fit? Bush is better than Lundy talent-wise, and his stats in the Texans' system would show that. Plus he's the consensus No. 1 - no debate.

Let's say the Texans drafted Vince. He is learning behind Carr, or behind someone like Rosenfels if the Texans had chosen not to re-up Carr. IF - Rosenfels ends up being the starter anyway, would you rather have a washed up Carr or a preparing Vince? Plus, Vince is the hometown hero.

Let's say the Texans traded down and drafted Mario. They got some extra picks or an extra solid player, and they don't take as big a contract hit. Mario turns out to be a 2 year project, without the weight of being the top overall pick taken ahead of the consensus No. 1 and the hometown hero.

Or, let's say the Texans take Mario first overall, and he turns out to be a 2 year project. That's it. Plus, he gets taken ahead of the consensus No. 1 and the hometown hero.

What would you think is the best scenario?

AND THIS IS ALL SPECULATING on the comments made in the initial article that started this thread, which state that Mario could be a 2-3 year project. IF HE'S NOT, AND GOD WILLING, HE IS A BEAST OF BEASTS, then great!!!

(Edit - I'll add - let's say the Texans take Mario first overall, and he turns out to be the best defensive lineman in the league for 10 years. GREAT!!!)

 

[HOU-TEX]

If you think Weaver is doing a bad job at SDE you would absolutely have a heart attack with Peek or Babin playing that position, because not only would they not make any tackles they would probably both be injured by half time...

Weaver has done a good job...He has done his Job...that is why I wanted him at SDE and Mario at WDE, because the primary job of a SDE is to not get pushed back and to take up blocks...Weakside DE needs to have more agility, speed, quickness...Because they are the ones you count on for pass rushing, coming down the line on plays away, and boot legs...all of which require speed, agility, and quickness....Think of SDE like a rock...and that is what weaver has been...And by moving Mario to WDE it allows him to take advantage of his best attributes...Kubiak did the right thing and Weaver, TJ, Payne/Robaire, Mario is by far our best line...

*AW is the best SDE that we have...better than Mario...Mario is the best WDE we have...Better than peek and babin...combined...

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Sorry bud, I'll catch up with ya later. That's my idea of the D-line as well. I might keep subing in Peek/Babin on obvious pass plays like they have been. Which I think has been when Peek has gotten his sacks.

 

[real]

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Sorry bud, I'll catch up with ya later. That's my idea of the D-line as well. I might keep subing in Peek/Babin on obvious pass plays like they have been. Which I think has been when Peek has gotten his sacks.

Of course....Peek and Babin should see spot duty, but on obvious passing downs both should always be in with Mario in the middle, and maybe TJ as the other...I wouldn't even mind on passing downs we went to the 3-4 and blitzed a linebacker....

 

[Wolf]

speculaton.. there was no trading down.. N.O.(rumored) would have taken mario at #1.. and on top of that .. did N.O. really need Bush with the backs they had? don't think so.

besides rumored N.O. tried to trade #2 overall to Jets for their #4 and #20ish pick. Jets said no...

on that, that stuck with me.. if Bush was so great and a once in a lifetime talent, no team wanted to part with multiple picks?

give me Adrian Peterson over Bush.

 

[thunderkyss]

BS. I don't think they really gave it an earnest shot to get a trade down to the middle 10. Maybe they put feelers out during the last couple of days, but if they had wanted to move down they could have.

There is no way Mario would have been around past the 2nd pick. N.O. was going to take him. N.O. had no intention of drafting a LB....... they didn't. They had no idea they had LB problems..... before the draft, they picked up Fujita, and figured he would solve their problem. Come Preseason, and they put their LB group out their, then all of a sudden, they go crazy looking for a LBs..... they get another one from Dallas(Shanle) then trade their Young studd WR for a backup on most teams...... they were even willing to give up a 4th next year for Edwards out of SanDiego.

but they didn't look at one LB in the draft........... not one.

All indications are that Mario would not have been taken by the Saints (AJ Hawk would've been their pick).

see above

As for Cutler, again the Texans could have easily traded out of the top 10 if they so desired.

If we'd have traded past 11, Denver would have taken Cutler, and we'd have really looked like idiots....... we would have had to stay in the top 10 to get Cutler. Even if we dropped to 11, I think the Broncs would've moved up to 9 or 10 to get him.

The fact that (a) they wanted Mario to be 1st overall without thinking about the intense scrutiny he will be under as arguably the most surprising top pick in NFL history, along with (b) the fact that they knew Davis' knee wasn't healing, and (c) Mathis had injuries from that motorcycle accident, and

ONly the Saints...... and some fans are dumb enough to use their #1 or #2 overall on punt returns......

(d) that Carr hasn't exactly been No. 1 overall-worthy himself...I mean, it's so overwhelmingly apparent they botched this thing. Mario has to be an absolute stud to justify the decision. It's unfair to him, and it's unfair to the fans.

He may very well be a stud.......... this year..... we haven't even got out of the Preseason yet.

Bush would have been nice as to take some pressure off Carr.

I thought we said we could accomplish that by getting a bonafide #2 reciever, and pass catching tightends....

How's that working out for us??

 

[Brandon420tx]

Yes, let's speculate. Let's say the Texans drafted Bush. Let's say he bought into the one cut system. And let's say, for the fun of it, that Domanick Davis can't play this year. Wouldn't that be a perfect fit? Bush is better than Lundy talent-wise, and his stats in the Texans' system would show that. Plus he's the consensus No. 1 - no debate.

Let's say the Texans drafted Vince. He is learning behind Carr, or behind someone like Rosenfels if the Texans had chosen not to re-up Carr. IF - Rosenfels ends up being the starter anyway, would you rather have a washed up Carr or a preparing Vince? Plus, Vince is the hometown hero.

Let's say the Texans traded down and drafted Mario. They got some extra picks or an extra solid player, and they don't take as big a contract hit. Mario turns out to be a 2 year project, without the weight of being the top overall pick taken ahead of the consensus No. 1 and the hometown hero.

Or, let's say the Texans take Mario first overall, and he turns out to be a 2 year project. That's it. Plus, he gets taken ahead of the consensus No. 1 and the hometown hero.

What would you think is the best scenario?

AND THIS IS ALL SPECULATING on the comments made in the initial article that started this thread, which state that Mario could be a 2-3 year project. IF HE'S NOT, AND GOD WILLING, HE IS A BEAST OF BEASTS, then great!!!

(Edit - I'll add - let's say the Texans take Mario first overall, and he turns out to be the best defensive lineman in the league for 10 years. GREAT!!!)

So we have about 3 straight speculation posts...

My turn!

Lets speculate that I didn't read those speculation posts, then I would have about 10 minutes of my life back.

But, it is what it is.

/end rant... very small ... rant ...

 

[HOU-TEX]

speculaton.. there was no trading down.. N.O.(rumored) would have taken mario at #1.. and on top of that .. did N.O. really need Bush with the backs they had? don't think so.

besides rumored N.O. tried to trade #2 overall to Jets for their #4 and #20ish pick. Jets said no...

on that, that stuck with me.. if Bush was so great and a once in a lifetime talent, no team wanted to part with multiple picks?

give me Adrian Peterson over Bush.[/QUOTE]

Give me Lundy and Morency over Bush...Doh..we already have them.

 

[joetexan]

Me too. I'd rather have Lundy. That guy is a touchdown machine. How many did he score in college - 52, I think.

Mario is going to be the real deal. He's been testing himself out this preseason on different techniques. When the games mean something, look out.

As a side note, I think the Texans are good for 9 or 10 wins this year. Laugh at that, but they are going to be much improved.

Especially on defense.

Because of Mario.

Thank God we didn't draft Bush.

Can I buy a Wali Lundy jersey anywhere?

 

[real]

I don't think Bush gets enough credit...People look at Bush as a running back, and IMO, that isn't fair...I think Bush, Leinart, and V.Young all went to perfect situations...Bush because he doesn't have to be that RB that carries the ball 25 times because they have Duece...look at Bush as an offensive weapon..not really a reciever, not really a tru RB...I believe that Saints will get Bush the ball in a whole lot of different ways....IMO, he will be one of the most lethal offensive weapons in two years....Adrian Peterson, is by far a better RB than Reggie Bush is...But RB is by far a more valuable offensive weapon....This is 2006 and people still can't grasp the fact that you don't have to fit into a certain mold to be successful...Use your heads people...They are not going to give the ball to Reggie to run up the middle 20 times a game...thats what Duece is for...

 

[thunderkyss]

*AW is the best SDE that we have...better than Mario...Mario is the best WDE we have...Better than peek and babin...combined...

It's just the preseason, but so far, that's all I've got to go on. Right now, Babin is a better DE than either Mario or Weaver. Peek is better on the weekside, but I don't know about playing him every down.

Mario is our best Tackle, and I can't find a spot for Weaver.

 

[real]

It's one thing to say you'd rather have Mario because he helps our team more, and Bush didn't fit our offense....But i'm tired of this crap about Lundy being better, and Bush being a dud....get off of it people...he is an amazing talent, just as Mario is...Lundy is a good back that will probably look better than what he is because of the system...

 

[real]

It's just the preseason, but so far, that's all I've got to go on. Right now, Babin is a better DE than either Mario or Weaver. Peek is better on the weekside, but I don't know about playing him every down.

Mario is our best Tackle, and I can't find a spot for Weaver.

Tkyss...That is absolute lunacy...i am glad Kubiak doesn't think like that...You think Babin is better than Mario at DE ? thats ridiculous...They don't even run to Mario's side...and when the run towards Weaver they run into a wall...I love our line just as is...

 

[thunderkyss]

...Bush because he doesn't have to be that RB that carries the ball 25 times because they have Duece...look at Bush as an offensive weapon..not really a reciever, not really a tru RB......

That's all fine and Dandy....... but let someone else use the #1 overall on such a player.

It has never been done in the NFL, not in the history of the draft.

Runningbacks run, Recievers recieve, and Quarterbacks quarter.

If we'd have picked Reggie, and his year turns out to be what his preseason has shown, then all those experts would have turned on us, and picking Reggie would have been the all time draft blunder.

if everything works out, and he looks like he did @ USC, then everything would have been everything.......

 

[real]

That's all fine and Dandy....... but let someone else use the #1 overall on such a player.

It has never been done in the NFL, not in the history of the draft.

Runningbacks run, Recievers recieve, and Quarterbacks quarter.

If we'd have picked Reggie, and his year turns out to be what his preseason has shown, then all those experts would have turned on us, and picking Reggie would have been the all time draft blunder.

if everything works out, and he looks like he did @ USC, then everything would have been everything.......

Im not in the "we should have picked Reggie camp"...

People are really losing touch with reality around here...

Reggie is not going to be a bust...You heard it from xtru first....

And maybe you missed my point...Reggie isn't a true anything...But he is going to be a top 5 threat as an offensive weapon in two years...

 

[JDizzle]

Right now, Mario is our best DT...... with maybe the exception of TJ. Robair isn't getting it done....... run or pass, and Payne doesn't appear to have the strength to push the OG back. I like his motor, he never gives up on a play, but he hasn't seen the backfield all preseason(but it is preseason).

Babin, right now, is clearly our best DE.... don't be a homer, you know it's true. Mario is bigger, should be stronger, but so far, Jason appears to be more explosive, and quicker at getting to the QB.

It don't mean nothing, but my opinion is our best line would be Babin, Mario, TJ, Peek.

I don't deny that Mario can be soooo much more than what Babin is. & one day he will be a beast, and better than Babin. But then Jason would be our second best DE.

You missed my point. I never said he's the best DE we have right now. I just said he needs to play there. You can't expect Mario to become a top-shelf DE without giving him time and reps there in order for him to learn the nuances of the position. He can't do that by taking most of his snaps at DT.

 

[HOU-TEX]

It's one thing to say you'd rather have Mario because he helps our team more, and Bush didn't fit our offense....But i'm tired of this crap about Lundy being better, and Bush being a dud....get off of it people...he is an amazing talent, just as Mario is...Lundy is a good back that will probably look better than what he is because of the system...[/QUOTE]

Exactly, I believe "the system" is the reason why RB is not here. I care about RB about as much as I care to suck a fart out of a dead chickens arse right now. The draft was over 4-5 months ago. I care about the Texans right now, that's it!

 

[edo783]

IMO, Our best D-line for downs 1&2:

Weaver, TJ, Smith/Payne, Williams

Best pass D-line:

Babin, TJ/Weaver/Payne, Williams, Peak

 

[BigDTexansFan]

So basically, this guy is saying that Mario will be a 2-3 year project? Great No. 1 overall pick...especially when (a) Davis' knee is shot, and (b) Carr looks like a high school freshman at QB. If we were going to take a project as the No. 1 overall pick, we should have taken Vince Young. Otherwise we should have taken Reggie Bush. Aside from that, we should have traded down to take Mario, because he still would have been available.

Vince Young WAS AND IS a 2-3 year project UNLESS you do like University of Texas and trash playbook and only put in plays he can understand (god forbid he should have to read coverages), I have never heard of this guy (guess could say don't know Adam from Adam...LOL) so why are we supposed to take his word for anything. He sounds like an ESPN hack to me or just another OIO (Over-Inflated Opinion)

 

[edo783]

IMO, the reason that the Texans didn't take Bush was that in the interview he and his agent both acted like Putz's and also lied about what was going on with his family and then on the Tuesday before the draft while doing their due dillagence and background checks of him, they learned that the New Era Sports Group that he and his family are/were mixed up with was backed and funded by Lloyd Lakes a very well known gangster in Southern California who is now in jail on unrelated charges. Bob McNair and Kubiak wont go anywhere near someone mixed up/close to a gangster. They dropped him like a hot potato on the Wednesday before the draft and zeroed in on Mario and concluded the deal.

 

[blockhead83]

I agree with what was said about Mario having too much speed and range to use him as a DT. He makes a much more effective DE on a down-to-down basis, IMO. On passing downs, he makes a good DT in that he requires extra attention and allows our edge rushers to get single coverage.

Why select Reggie Bush, a running back, with the first pick of the draft when you have a proven system that can get GREAT production with a late round talent? If you can get a Porsche for 5 bucks, or a Ferrari for 250,000, most people would buy the Porsche unless you had nothing better to blow your cash on. You're spending much more than you are relatively gaining by drafting a back like Bush in the 1st as opposed to a guy like Lundy.

Vince Young is looking like a real project in Tennessee right now. Carr isn't looking great, but I have faith that Kubiak can do as he intended and get enough production from him to make our offense effective. Rather than playing the waiting game for another 3 years with such a crucial position, we're seeing what we really have at QB this year.

Mario was the best choice. It was a foregone conclusion that NO was going to take him if we didn't. He was the consensus best defensive player by GM's across the league, aside of maybe 4 or 5 who liked Hawk. We had a piss poor defense last year, and by the looks of things so far this pre-season, our selections of Mario and Demeco have already helped catalyze a huge improvement defensively. We're going to get burned by some big plays, but on the whole we're probably going to jump up about 10 spots or more in the defensive rankings, IMO. And btw, I don't think Mario is truely a "project" for the next 3 years. The end point of a "project" is usually a solid player, not a player who dominates. Mario is a solid DE for us right off the bat, but he has the potential to become one of the dominant DE's in the league in the next few seasons. That's a great gamble to take from where I'm sitting.

 

[BigDTexansFan]

Why is it such a bitter pill to swallow for some folks if Coach Kubiak wanted Mario Williams? IT WAS HIS DECISION. Kubiak's, not Casserly, not McNair, not the fans or media, but Kubiak's. He has said so in black and white terms on several occasions.

Bush and Young could very well be great NFL players - they certainly have the talent and potential - BUT SO DOES MARIO WILLIAMS.

Who would you rather have: Reggie White -or- Barry Sanders? Both HoF players, but one has a chance to make a much greater impact on your games, because if you have a dominant defense, the other team won't score as often (thus taking pressure off your offense).

Reggie White =2 rings

Barry Sanders = 0 rings


I prefer Reggie White (Mario)

 

[real]

Exactly, I believe "the system" is the reason why RB is not here. I care about RB about as much as I care to suck a fart out of a dead chickens arse right now. The draft was over 4-5 months ago. I care about the Texans right now, that's it!

I wouldn't even go that far...In fact, i think RB would look better in our system than any back we have...But I think that as long as RB is in the NFL he is going to need another RB that is capable of at least sharing the load...He is not an all game every down back...But he can be on the field all game, and IMO, that is what counts....

 

[thunderkyss]

You missed my point. I never said he's the best DE we have right now. I just said he needs to play there. You can't expect Mario to become a top-shelf DE without giving him time and reps there in order for him to learn the nuances of the position. He can't do that by taking most of his snaps at DT.

You missed my point. I know we need him learning to play DE.... but right now, we need him at DT more than we need him at DE.

I agree. we don't need make Mario a swingman. & I never liked moving our best player out of position on the offensive line, to cover up a weakness elsewhere on the line. Thereby weakening two positions. But situationally moving Mario around would be just as confusing as a real 3-4 line-up.

 

[DocBar]

Why are so many rehashing the draft? Mario hasn't turned into Reggie White since TC started and RB and VY aren't Walter Payton and Joe Montana reincarnated. I bet all 3 wish they had better performances this preseason. Probably the 1st time in their young lives they weren't the best players on the field. IMHO, the FO had pretty legit reasons for drafting the way they did, and I'm pretty dang happy with the product I saw this preseason.