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NitroHonda said:
I can't listen to LZ, fool!

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LZ does a great Lou Holtz on a mobile at the end of the interview.

Some things from LZ:

Spiller would be the Texans pick over Mathews if both on the board, though Mathews a perfect fit.

Hardesty a great fit in 2nd round, but durability issues.

Gerhart lacks a burst in the first 10 yards.

Best doesn't make sense for the Texans.

Ben Tate more of a 3rd round guy, doesn't play to his timed speed.

Dwyer would be someone the Texans look at in the 2nd round.

Lonyae Miller and James Starks would be later round possibilities at RB.

As many as 10-11 starters at CB out of this draft class.

Likes Kyle Wilson's ability to turn and run with WRs.

Questions about Haden's deep speed, but explodes to the ball well.

McCourty has few flaws, speed & size, along with top special teams ability.

Kareem Jackson is overrated due to being in Bama's great program.

Patrick Robinson doesn't play to his talent, not a fan of Chris Cook (doesn't change direction well), Ghee he likes, doesn't love.

Owusu-Ansah he really likes, but may be a FS. Not a fan of Franks (why?), likes Jerome Murphy's ability to play either CB or FS.

Spivey is physical and well coached, a solid 4th round talent.

If you can get past Perrish Cox's character issues, he plays at a faster speed than timed along with great return ability. May need to play in a scheme with a safety over the top.

Myron Lewis isn't going to tackle much, but he can cover. There is depth at CB through the 4th and 5th rounds.

Taylor Mays might go to Oakland, but it would be a huge mistake. If not, he could drop all the way to the Cowboys @27. Not as physical as he is reported to be.

If Dez Bryant gets past Seattle at #14, he could fall to Vikings at #30.
 
Lucky said:
LZ does a great Lou Holtz on a mobile at the end of the interview.

Some things from LZ:

Spiller would be the Texans pick over Mathews if both on the board, though Mathews a perfect fit.

Hardesty a great fit in 2nd round, but durability issues.

Gerhart lacks a burst in the first 10 yards.

Best doesn't make sense for the Texans.

Ben Tate more of a 3rd round guy, doesn't play to his timed speed.

Dwyer would be someone the Texans look at in the 2nd round.

Lonyae Miller and James Starks would be later round possibilities at RB.

As many as 10-11 starters at CB out of this draft class.

Likes Kyle Wilson's ability to turn and run with WRs.

Questions about Haden's deep speed, but explodes to the ball well.

McCourty has few flaws, speed & size, along with top special teams ability.

Kareem Jackson is overrated due to being in Bama's great program.

Patrick Robinson doesn't play to his talent, not a fan of Chris Cook (doesn't change direction well), Ghee he likes, doesn't love.

Owusu-Ansah he really likes, but may be a FS. Not a fan of Franks (why?), likes Jerome Murphy's ability to play either CB or FS.

Spivey is physical and well coached, a solid 4th round talent.

If you can get past Perrish Cox's character issues, he plays at a faster speed than timed along with great return ability. May need to play in a scheme with a safety over the top.

Myron Lewis isn't going to tackle much, but he can cover. There is depth at CB through the 4th and 5th rounds.

Taylor Mays might go to Oakland, but it would be a huge mistake. If not, he could drop all the way to the Cowboys @27. Not as physical as he is reported to be.

If Dez Bryant gets past Seattle at #14, he could fall to Vikings at #30.
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very nice recap my man :)

yes I would like to ask why he doesn't like Franks too. I think the Texans are in perfect position to steal him away from the Packers. If I had to guess though, I would bet its because he doesn't think hes a press corner like McCourty. In reality it has more to do with Stupps zone scheme @ Oklahoma which is not an accurate reflection of his press corner ability. He has smooth hips, opens to either side easily & looks fluid doing it, then can mirror off the hip of receiver with just as good of ball skills as McCourty, however not as physcial. I think he would be a decent compliment to Glover who is physcial but lacks some the cover skills plus speed on deeper routes.

I'm also warming up to Mays. I honestly feel USC plays soft, I've watched them now for like 41 years & they just seem to go through the motions, because they feel better than their competition or just know they can turn it on when they need to & still win games. I think Mays may have fallen into this trap? Just look at Cushing & the impact he has made his rookie season. He cut the hair, bought the chamber & took the buisness of football more serious, what if the same thing happens to Mays? I would say the sky is the limit & working with Brain, that familarity already established could possibly make a knock out trojan tandem :evil:

Closing I really think LZ is terrific & has national upside if he so chooses. He is easy going, funny & compentent with his draft/football knowledge to hang with the big boys. I'd like to see him get a shot.
 
Lucky said:
LZ does a great Lou Holtz on a mobile at the end of the interview.

Some things from LZ:

Spiller would be the Texans pick over Mathews if both on the board, though Mathews a perfect fit.

Hardesty a great fit in 2nd round, but durability issues.

Gerhart lacks a burst in the first 10 yards.

Best doesn't make sense for the Texans.

Ben Tate more of a 3rd round guy, doesn't play to his timed speed.

Dwyer would be someone the Texans look at in the 2nd round.

Lonyae Miller and James Starks would be later round possibilities at RB.

As many as 10-11 starters at CB out of this draft class.

Likes Kyle Wilson's ability to turn and run with WRs.

Questions about Haden's deep speed, but explodes to the ball well.

McCourty has few flaws, speed & size, along with top special teams ability.

Kareem Jackson is overrated due to being in Bama's great program.

Patrick Robinson doesn't play to his talent, not a fan of Chris Cook (doesn't change direction well), Ghee he likes, doesn't love.

Owusu-Ansah he really likes, but may be a FS. Not a fan of Franks (why?), likes Jerome Murphy's ability to play either CB or FS.

Spivey is physical and well coached, a solid 4th round talent.

If you can get past Perrish Cox's character issues, he plays at a faster speed than timed along with great return ability. May need to play in a scheme with a safety over the top.

Myron Lewis isn't going to tackle much, but he can cover. There is depth at CB through the 4th and 5th rounds.

Taylor Mays might go to Oakland, but it would be a huge mistake. If not, he could drop all the way to the Cowboys @27. Not as physical as he is reported to be.

If Dez Bryant gets past Seattle at #14, he could fall to Vikings at #30.
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I like a lot of this, but I have to disagree with a couple things.
1) Gerhart lacking burst is ridiculous. Before the combine, when everyone thought he was the stereotypical plodding white runningback that lacked speed, they said he had good burst (no link, stuff I remember from ESPN). A 1.55 ten yard split is a respectable time for a power back. And better than Dwyer's 1.60, though worse than Tate and Mathews (1.49). Add in that testing is not the end all, and I don't see anything to worry about.

2) Hardesty is a workout warrior. I did not see anything on the field to make me believe he should be taken above the 3rd round, and coupled with his extensive injury history, I would not touch him before the fourth.

3) I am jumping off a cliff (metaphor people, I am not pulling a swt here) if the Texans select Dwyer.

4) Not a huge McCourty fan, I don't know why. It sounds like everyone else likes him though, so I may be wrong.
 
beerlover said:
I'm also warming up to Mays. I honestly feel USC plays soft, I've watched them now for like 41 years & they just seem to go through the motions, because they feel better than their competition or just know they can turn it on when they need to & still win games. I think Mays may have fallen into this trap? Just look at Cushing & the impact he has made his rookie season. He cut the hair, bought the chamber & took the buisness of football more serious, what if the same thing happens to Mays? I would say the sky is the limit & working with Brain, that familarity already established could possibly make a knock out trojan tandem :evil:
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If you saw any of the Senior-Bowl week of practice on the NFL Network you saw how woeful Mays was in pass coverage. He's just the kind of free-safety who's time has passed while a Earl Thomas is just the kind who, because of his very impressive pass coverage skills, is rapidly moving up in rankings among DBs.
As a box/strong-safety or WIL, now that's where this guy projects to an NFL team IMO.
 
rmartin65 said:
I like a lot of this, but I have to disagree with a couple things.
1) Gerhart lacking burst is ridiculous. Before the combine, when everyone thought he was the stereotypical plodding white runningback that lacked speed, they said he had good burst (no link, stuff I remember from ESPN). A 1.55 ten yard split is a respectable time for a power back. And better than Dwyer's 1.60, though worse than Tate and Mathews (1.49). Add in that testing is not the end all, and I don't see anything to worry about.

2) Hardesty is a workout warrior. I did not see anything on the field to make me believe he should be taken above the 3rd round, and coupled with his extensive injury history, I would not touch him before the fourth.

3) I am jumping off a cliff (metaphor people, I am not pulling a swt here) if the Texans select Dwyer.

4) Not a huge McCourty fan, I don't know why. It sounds like everyone else likes him though, so I may be wrong.
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Unless we're switching to two TE's and are going to start running a lot of counter treys, Gerhardt isn't on our board.
 
rmartin65 said:
I like a lot of this, but I have to disagree with a couple things.
1) Gerhart lacking burst is ridiculous. Before the combine, when everyone thought he was the stereotypical plodding white runningback that lacked speed, they said he had good burst (no link, stuff I remember from ESPN). A 1.55 ten yard split is a respectable time for a power back. And better than Dwyer's 1.60, though worse than Tate and Mathews (1.49). Add in that testing is not the end all, and I don't see anything to worry about.

2) Hardesty is a workout warrior. I did not see anything on the field to make me believe he should be taken above the 3rd round, and coupled with his extensive injury history, I would not touch him before the fourth.

3) I am jumping off a cliff (metaphor people, I am not pulling a swt here) if the Texans select Dwyer.

4) Not a huge McCourty fan, I don't know why. It sounds like everyone else likes him though, so I may be wrong.
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Dwyer will be ten times the NFL player that Gerhart will. Gerhart wont have the huge holes to run through like he did in college.
 
mussop said:
Dwyer will be ten times the NFL player that Gerhart will. Gerhart wont have the huge holes to run through like he did in college.
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It's a shame then cuz he won't be playing for the Houston Texans.
Dude tested positive for some kind of amphetamine.
Dwyer tested positive for amphetamines, but a source told Glazer and/or Marvez that the result was triggered by a prescription medication that Dwyer has clearance to take for a pre-existing condition.
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Even if it's cleared through the league I would imagine it would be enough to keep him off the Texans board.
 
barrett said:
It's a shame then cuz he won't be playing for the Houston Texans.
Dude tested positive for some kind of amphetamine.

Even if it's cleared through the league I would imagine it would be enough to keep him off the Texans board.
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I don't think this matters at all to the Texans, and probably not anyone else. From what I understand, it was a prescribed medication, and he told the NFL ahead of time he was taking it, so the positive test was actually expected.

In some ways, similar to Amobi admitting to smoking pot before the '07 draft. But since it was a legal drug - and legally prescribed, probably even less of a consideration.
 
mussop said:
Dwyer will be ten times the NFL player that Gerhart will. Gerhart wont have the huge holes to run through like he did in college.
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I doubt it. I think Gerhart has a better career, and it wont even be close. I am not a Dwyer fan. I was at the start of the season, but I watched him closely this year, and was not impressed.
 
mussop said:
Dwyer will be ten times the NFL player that Gerhart will. Gerhart wont have the huge holes to run through like he did in college.
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He will if we get Iupati in the first.

1. Mike Iupati OG
2. Toby Gerhart RB
3. Major Wright FS
4. Walter McFadden CB
5. Pat Angerer LB
6. Lonyae Miller RB
6. Brandon Deaderick DT
7. Trindon Holliday WR/ST
 
ChampionTexan said:
I don't think this matters at all to the Texans, and probably not anyone else. From what I understand, it was a prescribed medication, and he told the NFL ahead of time he was taking it, so the positive test was actually expected.

In some ways, similar to Amobi admitting to smoking pot before the '07 draft. But since it was a legal drug - and legally prescribed, probably even less of a consideration.
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Agreed. I don't think the Texans view a lone failed drug test like they do beating up a woman. I think they can fogive a kid being a kid, they just like to avoid guys who are repeat offenders or world class d-bags.
 
HuttoKarl said:
He will if we get Iupati in the first.

1. Mike Iupati OG
2. Toby Gerhart RB
3. Major Wright FS
4. Walter McFadden CB
5. Pat Angerer LB
6. Lonyae Miller RB
6. Brandon Deaderick DT
7. Trindon Holliday WR/ST
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No offense, but I'd be pretty upset if our draft went this way. IMO, Iupati's a joke in the first round, he might be chosen in the first, but I don't think he'd be better than what we already have on opening day. He's too raw to come in and produce right away.

I think there'd be a few better RB's to choose from if we were to go that route in the 2nd.

Angerer? Why?
 
rmartin65 said:
I doubt it. I think Gerhart has a better career, and it wont even be close. I am not a Dwyer fan. I was at the start of the season, but I watched him closely this year, and was not impressed.
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He'll be ok as long as he holds onto the rock. That's my biggest concern.

HuttoKarl said:
He will if we get Iupati in the first.

1. Mike Iupati OG
2. Toby Gerhart RB
3. Major Wright FS
4. Walter McFadden CB
5. Pat Angerer LB
6. Lonyae Miller RB
6. Brandon Deaderick DT
7. Trindon Holliday WR/ST
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Man I would LOVE it if Holliday was there in the 7th. Guy is small but good lord he's got great burst and nice vision in the return game. Draft him and make JJ concentrate on WR duties.
 
HOU-TEX said:
No offense, but I'd be pretty upset if our draft went this way. IMO, Iupati's a joke in the first round, he might be chosen in the first, but I don't think he'd be better than what we already have on opening day. He's too raw to come in and produce right away.
I think there'd be a few better RB's to choose from if we were to go that route in the 2nd.

Angerer? Why?
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If he has muscle tone and arms that can extend past his belly button then he's better than what we had at LG last year!
 
Too many people get caught up in 40 times and vertical leaps. Dwyer is a bull when he runs the ball. This guys has tree trunk legs. I think he will be a very good back. If the Texans don't pick Mathews in the first, then I hope they pick Dwyer in the second.
 
beerlover said:
I'm also warming up to Mays. I honestly feel USC plays soft, I've watched them now for like 41 years & they just seem to go through the motions, because they feel better than their competition or just know they can turn it on when they need to & still win games. I think Mays may have fallen into this trap? Just look at Cushing & the impact he has made his rookie season. He cut the hair, bought the chamber & took the buisness of football more serious, what if the same thing happens to Mays? I would say the sky is the limit & working with Brain, that familarity already established could possibly make a knock out trojan tandem :evil:
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Cushing was already a very serious football player when he came to the Texans. The hair has nothing to do with anything. Some people had the concern that he was a bodybuilder type because he was careful about his eating and hydration and not drinking alcohol, but that didn't account for him just doing everything he can do to be the best linebacker he can be. That's what he wants to do.

I think Mays, like Cushing coming in, may have been over-scrutinized because of the program he played at.
 
dalemurphy said:
If he has muscle tone and arms that can extend past his belly button then he's better than what we had at LG last year!
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I understand Studdard isn't the answer at LG, but this guy wouldn't beat him out in his first season. IMO, of course.
 
As far as Dez...if he drops I think the Cowboys would seriously entertain him before 30. The DMN has been throwing this around for the last couple of weeks.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Cushing was already a very serious football player when he came to the Texans. The hair has nothing to do with anything. Some people had the concern that he was a bodybuilder type because he was careful about his eating and hydration and not drinking alcohol, but that didn't account for him just doing everything he can do to be the best linebacker he can be. That's what he wants to do.

I think Mays, like Cushing coming in, may have been over-scrutinized because of the program he played at.
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Agreed on Cush. Everything I heard about him pre draft there was more a concern that the guy was just a work out warrior. Certainly has brought some much needed intensity to the defense.

I don't think the concerns for Mays are overblown. Guy is a liability in coverage and I'm concerned if he can wrap guys up instead of going for the big hit and not getting his guy down.

Reminds me quite a bit of Roy Williams. I think he's better suited moving to SS.
 
dalemurphy said:
If he has muscle tone and arms that can extend past his belly button then he's better than what we had at LG last year!
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That's what I'm saying. They tried him at LT for the SR Bowl and we found out that Iupati is a guard. I wouldn't want to take him as a potential tackle, but as a guard, he will be a success...he's strong and big, he moves well...zone blocker.
 
HuttoKarl said:
That's what I'm saying. They tried him at LT for the SR Bowl and we found out that Iupati is a guard. I wouldn't want to take him as a potential tackle, but as a guard, he will be a success...he's strong and big, he moves well...zone blocker.
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I think I'd prefer Pouncey. I just like the idea of a center that has the strength and base to hold his ground versus NTs. I think the OLine of:

Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Pouncey, Caldwell/Briesel, Winston looks pretty good to me
 
dalemurphy said:
I think I'd prefer Pouncey. I just like the idea of a center that has the strength and base to hold his ground versus NTs. I think the OLine of:

Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Pouncey, Caldwell/Briesel, Winston looks pretty good to me
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Pouncey just doesn't have the Samoanness of an Iupati.
 
beerlover said:
very nice recap my man :)

yes I would like to ask why he doesn't like Franks too. I think the Texans are in perfect position to steal him away from the Packers. If I had to guess though, I would bet its because he doesn't think hes a press corner like McCourty. In reality it has more to do with Stupps zone scheme @ Oklahoma which is not an accurate reflection of his press corner ability. He has smooth hips, opens to either side easily & looks fluid doing it, then can mirror off the hip of receiver with just as good of ball skills as McCourty, however not as physcial. I think he would be a decent compliment to Glover who is physcial but lacks some the cover skills plus speed on deeper routes.

I'm also warming up to Mays. I honestly feel USC plays soft, I've watched them now for like 41 years & they just seem to go through the motions, because they feel better than their competition or just know they can turn it on when they need to & still win games. I think Mays may have fallen into this trap? Just look at Cushing & the impact he has made his rookie season. He cut the hair, bought the chamber & took the buisness of football more serious, what if the same thing happens to Mays? I would say the sky is the limit & working with Brain, that familarity already established could possibly make a knock out trojan tandem :evil:

Closing I really think LZ is terrific & has national upside if he so chooses. He is easy going, funny & compentent with his draft/football knowledge to hang with the big boys. I'd like to see him get a shot.
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I appreciate the compliments and I would love to get a shot. I had some nibbles from one national spot but I didn't follow up on it like I should have. As for Franks, I think he's a much better athlete than football player. He doesn't have great instincts, ball skills or ability to change direction, but he's big and fast and can get physical. I asked a scout what grade he had on him and he said "third". I asked if his team would take him in the third and he said "sh*t no!". I asked about the 4th and he said "no way".
 
Texans_Chick said:
Cushing was already a very serious football player when he came to the Texans. The hair has nothing to do with anything. Some people had the concern that he was a bodybuilder type because he was careful about his eating and hydration and not drinking alcohol, but that didn't account for him just doing everything he can do to be the best linebacker he can be. That's what he wants to do.

I think Mays, like Cushing coming in, may have been over-scrutinized because of the program he played at.
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Mays has been over scrutinized because he has broken glass for hip cartridge and has absolutely no change of direction skills. His hips suck and he can not change directions. The only thing he could play for the Texans is a chase will backer....and that's it. It would rank as one of the most bone headed picks they have ever made. Manning would eat him alive.
 
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