infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He has experience at LG and was projected as maybe best suited there.
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La'el Collins-OT from LSU
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He has experience at LG and was projected as maybe best suited there.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Sources tell me Ryan was in New Orleans to compare seafood and had a sudden "in the neighborhood so..."Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
He was just passing through Baton Rouge... from Buffalo.
I see what you did there!
If the Texans wanted Collins they should've spent a 7th on him.
Rex is in Baton Rouge.
Where's Rick? Check that, where's Cal? I'm sure if you look very closely at Cal's derriere you can find Rick.
Rex is in Baton Rouge.
Where's Rick? Check that, where's Cal? I'm sure if you look very closely at Cal's derriere you can find Rick.
classic you. Not original or funny, but at least you're consistent
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
He was just passing through Baton Rouge... from Buffalo.
But who really needs a sanction from the NFL for a visit to a FA? The NFL has ruled out participation in a future draft (both supplemental and 2016) so he's outside their system at this point as far as I can tell.
And is there a restriction requiring only base salaries be offered in the CBA or is it just a floor that is usually observed like the minimum wage?
Unlike baseball, I don't think the NFL CBA is available to the public.
Salaries are slotted. As an UDFA, there's a max that any team can offer him. They were listed earlier in this thread, along with game day bonuses that could get him more money, but nowhere near a 1st or 2nd round pick.
True... but I'm talking about when he signs on the dotted line. I doubt whoever picks him up will put a 1st round tender for 2018 in his contract. He'd have to play extremely well, then before the league year starts 2018, the team put the 1st round tender on him.
As it is, the most they can do is pay him the max salary for an UDFA & max out his per game bonuses, which would be less than a 2nd round pick for the first two years.
Then if he plays extremely well, the team can put a 1st/2nd round tender on him to keep him, or another team would have to give up a first or 2nd to get him.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I'd love to have him sign here, but I see it as a longshot. There are teams with dire needs on the Oline and we aren't really one of them.
LG is a bit of a question, but they drafted X at top of rd 2 last yr and seems to me they want to give him every chance in the world to take that spot.
He isn't a C. RG and LT have premium players on them. They just signed a long term deal with the RT. So, LG is it as far as a potential opening.
As for me, I would pursue him and let him compete with X at LG. Why wouldn't all 32 teams pursue him?
LG is a bit of a question, but they drafted X at top of rd 2 last yr and seems to me they want to give him every chance in the world to take that spot.
He isn't a C. RG and LT have premium players on them. They just signed a long term deal with the RT. So, LG is it as far as a potential opening.
As for me, I would pursue him and let him compete with X at LG. Why wouldn't all 32 teams pursue him?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
La'el Collins to meet with ex-LSU, current Dolphins players Jarvis Landry, Anthony Johnson, Kelvin Sheppard
Ummm... Hey, JJ... you got some spare time...?
Ummm... Hey, JJ... you got some spare time...?
Brandon420tx
Flounder
I'm fairly certain he's going to try to sign somewhere he can play LT. Since that's where the money is when thinking of future contracts
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Interesting reading. Thanks for the link.
The rookie Cap seems to be the limiting factor on salary after deducting the required minimum offers to draftees. But the undrafted rookies do have one benefit of note. They are only required to sign a three year contract rather than the four years standard (or with a fifth year tender for first rounders).
This does provide La'el an incentive to go ahead and sign this season assuming he is cleared of both charges and even suspicion of involvement.
If I'm reading the agreement correctly, he cannot get a better deal by sitting out a year and will not be eligible to even be considered for any future draft.
Even if he sits out, he would have to sign the same UDFA rookie contract for three years so he loses a year getting to his second contract.
I suspect he will just have to get on with his career and take the situation as incompensable misfortune. Brooding over it will not help.
You spend a 7th rd pick on a guy with 1st rd talent. If he's guilty, which the DA's office says Collins isn't even a suspect, what have you really lost.
I think there was a directive from God'ell not to draft Collins.
I wouldn't have had a problem with them using a 7th on him, my response was towards this...
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
ps He might consider negotiating for NO TENDER rather than a 1st round tender so he becomes an unrestricted FA. That would be a non monetary point (I believe outside of the base required contract) which would have future value to him.
Also, he could extend as soon as next season to recapture some of the lost money if he shows he's focused on his play and not his misfortune. I've long thought a rolling three year contract would be beneficial to both team and player. The player gets protection from a down year and immediate reward for a good year (albeit three years hence) while the team never gets stuck for more than three years.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
If owner provided the private jet to fly those players to LA, that could be a salary cap violation.
noxiousdog
Rookie
He and his agent said they would not sign if he was drafted low which would make him eligible to re-enter the draft next year.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I don't think that Goodell would have told the teams they could not draft Collins. He hasn't been accused or charged of anything yet.
What he may have done is give them a heads up that if they did draft Collins they had better pray he comes out of this thing looking good, or the franchise could face a stiff penalty.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Yep - essentially getting drafted was far and away the most likely way for him to end up not signing with anyone and sitting out the 2015 season.
Wolf
100% Texan
I thoughti read that the NFL said he couldn't enter 2016. Or am confusing it with supplement draft
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The NFL said no to the supplemental draft. Going undrafted he is ineligible for the 2016 draft. If he had been drafted in 2015 and sat out the season then he could have gone in the 2016 draft.
I think he got some horrible advice from his agent. If he sits out 2015 now, he only loses money he can never recoup. He'll be in the same situation next year. Maybe his agent didn't know the rules?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
If he is innocent of any charges, I think the league decided the fairest outcome for the player was to let him go undrafted and choose his own team. He can renegotiate his deal after two years, which gives him the quickest route to recapture lost dollars. Interesting outcome of this, while many feel his best position is OG Collins wants to play OT and will choose a team whose thinking aligns with that.
The horrible advice was in coming out in his statement that he wouldn't sign. They thought he could enter the 2016 draft.
I was responding to
Hervoyel
BUENO!
A stiff penalty for what? You burn a 7 on the guy and say you believe in mom, apple pie, innocent until proven guilty, and the U.S.A.
Then if he ends up being charged and turns out he did it you say publicly that you drafted him in the belief that he did not do it but that turned out not to be the case and so you're out the pick but you acted in good faith.
Who gets fined or penalized for that? Nobody.
Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
He was just passing through Baton Rouge... from Buffalo.
Oh he was just on his way to say "hi" to his twin brother in "Nawlins"...
nothing to see here.
...nothing at all
Marshall
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ARTICLE 6
COLLEGE DRAFT
Section 2.
Number of Choices and Eligibility:
(c)If a player who was not eligible for the Draft in any League Year becomes eligible after the date of the Draft, he will be eligible to be selected in a Supplemental Draft, if the League elects to conduct such a Draft, on or before the seventh calendar day prior to the opening of the first training camp that League Year. No player may elect to bypass a Draft for which he is eligible to apply for selection in a Supplemental Draft. Any Club that selects a player in a Supplemental Draft must forfeit a choice in the same round in the next succeeding principal Draft.
S e c ti on 11.
Undrafted Rookies:
Any person who has not been selected by a Club in a College Draft shall be an Undrafted Rookie, and shall be free, after the completion of a College Draft for which he is eligible, to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, subject to the provisions of Article 7, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any such person after such date, without any penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind.
ARTICLE 7
ROOKIE COMPENSATION AND ROOKIE COMPENSATION POOL
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ARTICLE 7
ROOKIE COMPENSATION AND ROOKIE COMPENSATION POOL
Section 1. Definitions:
(a) Rookie Salary.
(ii) “Rookie Salary” for an Undrafted Rookie means the highest amount of earnable compensation for which such player and Club have contracted in each year of his Rookie Contract that exceeds the then applicable Minimum Active/Inactive Salary for each League Year of the contract regardless of whether any or all amounts are earned or considered “likely to be earned” as set forth in Article 13, excluding only (A) minimum offseason workout per diem, and (B) compensation for community relations/sponsor appearances (subject to the maximum amounts permitted in Section 3(b)(iv) below).
I see nothing which would permit him to re-enter the 2016 or subsequent drafts as he and his agent claims.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Do you mean under the existing scenario, or the scenario in which he was drafted and refused to sign? Because if it's the first one, you're right. If it's the second one, you're not.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I used the provisions for an undrafted rookie which is what the Agent "requested" if he were not taken in the first three rounds. The claim that he would then be eligible for 2016 is blatantly wrong. Perhaps the agent meant if drafted, he would sit out 2015 and become eligible in 2016. It's the only scenario in which his attorney doesn't look incompetent.
While the rookie contract cannot be renegotiated for two years, an extension can be offered after one year. That seems to be the quickest route to a payday for La'el and the 4th year of a drafted player contract would be that extension year for an undrafted player who only signs a three year contract..
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Will make his first free agent visit to Dallas this week. They have one of the best O-Lines in the league, but he could slide in at their weakest spot (LG). Hopefully he keeps making visits because signing with the Cowboys would just give them unfair talent on the OL.
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
bah007
Hall of Fame
I would hope that nothing happens.
But I was remembering the comment that Goodell had made a while ago about the draft. I don't remember the specific wording he used, but something to the effect of teams who draft guys with a history may be held accountable with penalties if the guy continues his bad behavior in the league.
Yes they do and the thought of Collins becoming a Texan makes me LOL.
He's probably going to Buffalo/Miami/Mew Orleans.
well that sucks
Porky
Hall of Fame
Wow Cowboys already have one of the best lines. Where is he going to play then? I'd have to look at their depth chart, but I figured he would go to a place crying out for line help and they aren't. I was worried the Colts might make a run at him so at least that is good. This addition may put them over the top as the NFL's best oline. Now about that runner...
Randy Gregory in the 2nd and now Collins as a UDFA. Talk about value....
If both pan out to their ability, this was an A+ draft weekend.
Randy Gregory in the 2nd and now Collins as a UDFA. Talk about value....
If both pan out to their ability, this was an A+ draft weekend.
toronto
Hall of Fame
was this from a Maury Pauvich episode this week?
Should have known Jerrah would be the one to step up.
I'm a bit surprised the Saints didn't grab their home state boy. It's not like they have the quality of O-line the Cowboys already have.
Difference in philosophies.