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La'el Collins-OT from LSU

With no definite answers from the Police yet because these investigations take time, this could really hurt his draft stock. This couldn't come at a worse time for Collins.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...bsc=social_20150429_44846786&short_code=2w6mh

Nothing appears to point to him as anything other than the potential father of the unborn child. Why they suspect this is anybodies guess, but I honestly hope he falls to us. I would take him without hesitation absent a real reason to suspect he had some involvement in the death.

If the child is his, then I can't think of a better team to teach him to MAN UP to his responsibilities than the Texans.
 
He isn't a suspect. The police lack info and they have to start the investigation somewhere. The baby's daddy is a logical starting point.

The timing and headline imply that he is a suspect but it says right in the second sentence that he isn't.
 
he is my number one OT and has been since the beginning. I would take him at 16 all day long without hesitation. He could start at LG and eventually take over LT.
 
La'el Collins: "No comment."


Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#LSU OL La’El Collins is leaving Chicago and the #NFLDraft to cooperate with authorities in Louisiana, source says.

Wow.
 
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LSU OT La'el Collins is reportedly leaving Chicago for Baton Rouge, La., on Wednesday in an effort to clear his name from the murder investigation involving his former girlfriend, according to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter and NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.

Collins is not considered a suspect in the case, according to Baton Rouge Police, but has been requested to provide additional information. Collins' attorney, Jim Boren, said Tuesday he has done everything the police have requested to help prove Collins was not involved in the case.

"We took the investigation seriously," Boren said from his offices Tuesday. "We've tried to rule him out as a suspect. We're going to provide that information to the police, and ultimately (Collins) will sit down and talk to them. But the timing is poor.

"We have identified where La'el was the day the lady was murdered to establish he was nowhere around," Boren told ESPN. "We have offered to give names, witnesses who can vouch for his whereabouts that day until after the woman's body was discovered. We believe that when [police] have verified that information, that they will rule him out as a suspect in the homicide, just as I believe he should be."

Senior NFL Columnist Pete Prisco has Collins as the No. 9 overall prospect in the draft and projects the Giants taking him ninth in the first-round of the draft Thursday.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-lsu-t-collins-no-longer-attending-nfl-draft-
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What an impossible situation for a Draft prospect and team(s) interested in him.
What does a team that's interested in Collins just hours before the Draft do ?
 
And then there's that whole messy thing about the barely alive kid that may be his, sans mom.

It sucks for both Collins and the teams interested in him; he needs to clear his name as much as he possibly can in less than 24 hours, and the teams who want to draft him now have an improbably huge risk associated with him.

The Hopkins hotel incident from two years ago was weird but not bad enough to let the Texans pass on him, obviously, but this...woof. It sucks, too, because I loved watching Collins pancake dudes for LSU and I want to see him succeed in the NFL. If he's not at all responsible for what happened, then I hope doesn't suffer too great of an injustice for it.

Hope the kid is OK, too. :(
 
He isn't a suspect. The police lack info and they have to start the investigation somewhere. The baby's daddy is a logical starting point.

The timing and headline imply that he is a suspect but it says right in the second sentence that he isn't.

That's what they say when they don't have enough real evidence to present to the media. Chances are he's their prime suspect... we don't know. I'm not saying that he is, but chances are.

Especially if he's the baby daddy looking at a big payday.
 
he is my number one OT and has been since the beginning. I would take him at 16 all day long without hesitation. He could start at LG and eventually take over LT.

Thats what i think.

too bad he is now involved in something like that. Hope he gets cleared and picked up at a nice spot.
 
Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Most are asking for a full police report clearing him before they are willing to draft him. Collins is slated to meet w police

Scoopage: Agent for LSU's La'el Collins trying to pull him from this draft allowing him time to clear his name then enter Supplemental Draft
 
Assuming Collins falls, it would be interesting to see where he ends up going. Do the Texans (or any other team) risk a 3rd-7th round pick on drafting this guy. To be able to sign a 1st round pick to no-money contract plus RFA vs. wasting a pick on a felon. This is definitely a very, very odd situation and I can't remember anything like it.
 
Assuming Collins falls, it would be interesting to see where he ends up going. Do the Texans (or any other team) risk a 3rd-7th round pick on drafting this guy. To be able to sign a 1st round pick to no-money contract plus RFA vs. wasting a pick on a felon. This is definitely a very, very odd situation and I can't remember anything like it.

With our draft history, I'd risk our 3rd round pick. We're not using it anyway.
 
And for nowhere near enough money as he might otherwise get.

We're talking about in lieu of a supplemental draft. I'd bet the best OT prospect in this draft could get similar money to a supplemental draft pick as an unrestricted FA
 
Saw this on reddit:
In light of the La'El Collins situation: Here is a picture from outside the LSU weight room a few years ago:

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Isn't that our old Sam Montgomery?!?
 
Saw this on reddit:
In light of the La'El Collins situation: Here is a picture from outside the LSU weight room a few years ago:

92taq2h.jpg



Isn't that our old Sam Montgomery?!?

Nice find. I was starting to wonder whether he'd be worth taking with one of our 6th/7th round picks (figuring he's either guilty in which case it's just a loss of the pick, or he's innocent in which case we'd get a potential steal). But, after seeing that, I want no part of him... Wish that the Texans had listened to that warning about Montgomery, and don't want to be burned twice!
 
Said if he wasn't a day two pick her pull out of draft anyways.

About that pic, it was posted when Sam was drafted here.
 
Assuming Collins falls, it would be interesting to see where he ends up going. Do the Texans (or any other team) risk a 3rd-7th round pick on drafting this guy. To be able to sign a 1st round pick to no-money contract plus RFA vs. wasting a pick on a felon. This is definitely a very, very odd situation and I can't remember anything like it.


They'd be stupid not to. No risk. All reward if it goes well for Collins.
 
Honestly I do feel bad for the guy, by most reports, he has nothing to do with the murders beside possibly being the baby's father and because of that he fell from near the top of the draft and a lot of money, and because of the perceived way he is reacting to it, whether or not he ever plays in the NFL folk WILL look down on him because of the public way his reaction to not being a day one or two draft pick this year.

I can see him if he really does want to play football having to go to Canada or be a UDFA because even if he doesn't sign this year, I doubt any team or general manager will want to use a top draft pick on him due to potential attitude issues.
 
I think if he had said something along the lines of "... but any team that does decide to draft me regardless of which round will be getting an excellent football player once my name is cleared" He might have gotten drafted within the first 3 rounds.

But since he said he won't sign with whoever drafts him if it's after round 3, then teams are just looking at him as being too immature for football. That's kinda how I view him right now
 
I wouldn't judge Collins so harshly.

The confusing case of LSU tackle La’El Collins has clarity in one major respect: If Collins isn’t drafted on Saturday, he can’t re-enter the draft in 2016.

Per the league office, there’s only one way to re-enter the draft. A player must be drafted and the sit out the year without signing a contract. If Collins isn’t drafted today, Collins becomes a free agent until he signs a contract.

Which means that his situation will be no different in 2015 or 2016, if he’s not drafted. He’ll be an undrafted free agent, subject to the rookie pool, which limits the compensation teams can provide to undrafted free agents.

Link

I think his agent has royally screwed the pooch.

Mistake not to draft him IMO. Even if he never plays a down he'll do as much as that WR they just drafted.
 
I'd think Belichick drafts him. Has 11 picks, take a chance on convincing him to sign cheap and help him get some loans or fall on the sword for him to allow his reentry in 2016. Browns have 12 picks.

I wonder if GMs have collectively agreed on how they'll handle this?

Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane
Chip Kelly confirmed that LSU OL La'El Collins was not on the #Eagles' board.
 
I'd think Belichick drafts him. Has 11 picks, take a chance on convincing him to sign cheap and help him get some loans or fall on the sword for him to allow his reentry in 2016. Browns have 12 picks.

I wonder if GMs have collectively agreed on how they'll handle this?

Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane

They must all come to the same conclusion independently or there will be charges of collusion.

I'd take a flyer on him and convince him that he needs to start working on his second contract and that we did him a favor by not taking him early and subjecting him to a fifth year option. Year one would be lost anyway and every year he's out of football diminishes his value anyway.

For PR purposes, I'd make sure every mention of him includes a statement reminding everyone we believe the police when they say he is not a suspect in the Murder.

At least he has an upside potential greater than most of the lower round and FA camp fodder.
 
He is going to sign as soon as he is finally cleared by the police. Absolutely terrible situation all around...That being said, I hope the Texans have already put their arms around this young man and asked him to join our family for a new beginning. That would be best for both parties.
 
He is going to sign as soon as he is finally cleared by the police. Absolutely terrible situation all around...That being said, I hope the Texans have already put their arms around this young man and asked him to join our family for a new beginning. That would be best for both parties.

Maybe Hilliard was his BFF at LSU .
 
Here's a cap question for someone: Could a team offer only the rookie minimum to a few of the late round picks, then sign Collins to the $$$ that would have been allocated to them? I look at the Pats last 5 picks, and think they would trade the chance to sign them for Collins in a heartbeat. Frankly, I would do the same for the Texans last 4 picks.
 
Here's a cap question for someone: Could a team offer only the rookie minimum to a few of the late round picks, then sign Collins to the $$$ that would have been allocated to them? I look at the Pats last 5 picks, and think they would trade the chance to sign them for Collins in a heartbeat. Frankly, I would do the same for the Texans last 4 picks.

The NFL used to allot teams a designated "pool" of salary cap space for rookies. Teams could then determine how much of the pool went to each draft pick, and the effect was that first-round picks would inevitably end up sucking up most of the money in that pool.

Under the new CBA, each team has a predetermined amount that they pay each pick, and every first rounder gets a four-year deal with a potential fifth year team option...
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/05/2015_nfl_draft_salary_projections_for_all_32_first.html
 
What Can La’El Collins Earn as an Undrafted Free Agent
Posted on May 3, 2015 by Jason Fitzgerald

With the draft over, we hit the fast and furious UDFA signing period, which is where La’El Collins now sits. So let’s take a quick look at the rules regarding the signings, specifically in regards to Collins.

Now there is nothing in the process that prevents a team from guaranteeing large amounts of salary to UDFA. This is how many teams lure a UDFA while complying with the signing bonus rules. It is not uncommon to see a UDFA receive a salary guarantee equal to a Practice Squad salary (slightly over $100,000) and in some cases double that. For Collins that presents an opportunity to attempt to receive a three year guarantee of $1,575,000. That guarantee would be equivalent to a late 2nd rounders guarantee through his signing bonus and salary guarantee.



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I wonder how long it'll take to clear him? Teams may want an arrest in the matter to feel comfortable that he wasn't connected in any (Rae Carruth) way.
 
I wonder how long it'll take to clear him? Teams may want an arrest in the matter to feel comfortable that he wasn't connected in any (Rae Carruth) way.

Honestly the fact this couldn't be resolved in 48 hours is a huge red flag. Instead of holding conferences about what he's going to do if not drafted by what round he should have been filmed entering the station down there, on the steps offering himself for questioning, coming out saying the police wouldn't question me and make them get more definitive, etc.

Dude has either gotten bad advice or he's involved and the news at some point is going to involve the 5th.

I still would have taken a late round flyer on hIm. We didn't do dick with them anyway.
 
Honestly the fact this couldn't be resolved in 48 hours is a huge red flag. Instead of holding conferences about what he's going to do if not drafted by what round he should have been filmed entering the station down there, on the steps offering himself for questioning, coming out saying the police wouldn't question me and make th get more definitive, etc.

Dude has either gotten bad advice or he's involved and the news at some point is going to involve the 5th.

I still would have taken a late round flyer on h. We didn't do dick with them anyway.

Don't know why he's waiting but...

Former LSU offensive lineman La’el Collins will meet with homicide detectives Monday in Baton Rouge in connection with the murder of a woman believed to be his former girlfriend.

The Advocate reported Collins will take a paternity test, even though police have said he’s not a suspect in the shooting death of Brittney Mills and her infant baby, who died a week after being delivered following his mother’s death.

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It's after the draft now. At this point the audience has shifted to the jury pool and Cajuns ...

If she was murdered on April 24th, I would think he would have been there on April 25th... unless he wasn't informed right away. And if he had no feelings for her anymore and was unaware that he was wanted for questioning right away, why would he go down there when his plan was to be in NY (wasn't he actually in NY when he was informed?). I guess what I'm saying is that we the fans have no idea at all what is going on.

As a very smart man said not long ago, don't find him guilty before he's proven innocent.

No one wants to go through another Hernandez circus
 
Here's a cap question for someone: Could a team offer only the rookie minimum to a few of the late round picks, then sign Collins to the $$$ that would have been allocated to them? I look at the Pats last 5 picks, and think they would trade the chance to sign them for Collins in a heartbeat. Frankly, I would do the same for the Texans last 4 picks.

I suspect CAP SPACE wouldn't be a problem as a FA signing until the 53 man roster is formed at the final Roster cut down. Then it would go beyond pick allocations and get into overall roster cost management after manipulating the carry over, extensions and reformulations.

There are specific filing dates where the roster has to meet slightly differing CAP SPACE requirements. But CAMP is pretty wide open because of the numerous camp bodies that come in that will never make the final roster and thus be included in the Cap.
 
As a very smart man said not long ago, don't find him guilty before he's proven innocent.

No one wants to go through another Hernandez circus

I guess I was expressing myself poorly and without information on timing. But my pint was yours except to add I think his advisors did a poor job in getting him out in front of the issue. Don't say you will miss the draft to cooperate and have them say nothing is set uo. Show up on their doorstep demanding to talk. That would have shown confidence in the outcome.
 
Former LSU offensive lineman La'el Collins met with Baton Rouge police homicide detectives for more than an hour Monday at Louisiana State Police headquarters as part of a murder investigation in which Collins' former girlfriend was killed.

Collins did not speak as he left the building accompanied by his attorney, Jim Boren, who also declined to comment about specifics. Collins is not a suspect in the case but has been wanted for questioning for more than a week.

BRPD spokesman Cpl. Don Coppola said his office had no new information to report. He confirmed that Collins is not a suspect. Police have not publicly said if they have a suspect or a motive in the crime.

Monday's meeting was delayed as Collins waited out the NFL Draft in which he was not picked by any of the 32 teams. Prior to being linked to the investigation, Collins was expected to be one of the top 20 players selected. He is now a free agent but reports have said he will not sign until his name is cleared.

"It went fine; we answered all their questions," Boren said. "La'el is not going to make any comments. I'm not going to have any comments. The investigation is going to continue. La'el is now going to start making an effort to start getting his football career back on track."

When asked if he thought Collins would be cleared of the charges, Boren replied, "Only the police can answer that question. In my mind he's been cleared from the very beginning.

"I think he's not a suspect. He answered all the questions they had. Every question, we didn't claim the fifth (amendment). We answered every single question. We gave them all the information they asked for. He's ready to get his life back."

Collins' former girlfriend Brittney Mills, 29, was shot to death April 24 after opening the front door of her Baton Rouge home. She died of multiple shots to her torso and her unborn child survived the shooting but died a week later in the hospital. The child's death has also been ruled a homicide.

"I'm really not going to answer any more questions about that. I think the process worked the way it works in many, many cases. We followed the process, he's made his statement, answered all of their questions, provided them with their information and we're moving on."
God you never made 1 mistake....
— SeVeN ZeRo (@70LaelCollins) May 1, 2015
Collins hopes to clear his name so he can find an NFL team. Because he was not drafted, he is now a free agent and can sign with the team of his choice. But his salary options are much more limited because of the NFL's collective bargaining agreement.

Undrafted free agents who sign get a standard three-year contract that pays $435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016 and $615,000 in 2017, provided he makes the 53-man roster each year. UDFA's can also renegotiate their deals after two seasons.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2015/05/lsu_lael_collins_police_questi_1.html
 
Assuming he is in fact innocent (it appears that way with limited information now) then the Texans could turn this draft into an "A+" by getting on top of this.

Won't happen of course. The Texans are usually so slow it's painful to watch but it sure would be nice.
 
Assuming he is in fact innocent (it appears that way with limited information now) then the Texans could turn this draft into an "A+" by getting on top of this.

Won't happen of course. The Texans are usually so slow it's painful to watch but it sure would be nice.

Can he play C?
 
Ultimately, Collins can salvage the early portion of his career by signing the standard three-year deal as an undrafted rookie. While he’d be eligible for restricted free agency after three years, the numbers suggest that he’ll do fairly well, given the current amount and the historic growth of the restricted free agency tenders.

If the tenders continue to increase at a rate of five percent annually, Collins could make more than all drafted players except the top 41 picks, based on three years of minimum salaries and the first-round tender for 2018. With the second-round tender, he’ll make more than all but 52 of the picks. With the original-round tender, he’ll make more than all but 65 of the picks.

It’s a formula that demonstrates how little draft picks make beyond round one, relative to undrafted playera. That said, the balloon payment in year four requires the undrafted player to earn one of the three RFA tenders. But Collins already has a leg up on the guys who typically slide through seven rounds; he has skills that would have potentially made him a first-round pick but for the unusual circumstances that unfolded in the past few days.

The analysis has one important caveat. Players taken in rounds three through seven are eligible for the proven performance escalators, which bumps their salary for the fourth year of their rookie deal into the range of $1.5 million. Still, Collins can end up getting a decent four-year rate of pay even as an undrafted player - and he’ll be eligible for a new contract after only two seasons. Drafted players have to wait for three.

Also, and perhaps most importantly, Collins gets to pick his NFL team. No drafted player gets to do that.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/02/collins-plans-to-sign-once-hes-cleared/
 
Assuming he is in fact innocent (it appears that way with limited information now) then the Texans could turn this draft into an "A+" by getting on top of this.

Won't happen of course. The Texans are usually so slow it's painful to watch but it sure would be nice.

The problem is there are teams he has a better chance for playing time with... and since he's a UDFA he gets to choose from multiple teams that will make an offer.
 
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