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Kubiaks take on Carr

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3571013.html


Kubiak has become known as an expert mentor for quarterbacks and sees potential in Houston's David Carr.

"He's got tremendous ability, and we all know he's a great kid," Kubiak said. "He'd be a joy to work with, and he's got some weapons around him to make him better. Through a lot of hard work, there's another level there for him to reach."

Kubiak played for the Broncos from 1983-91. After two years at Texas A&M, Kubiak was the quarterbacks coach for San Francisco when the 49ers won the Super Bowl with Shanahan as offensive coordinator. The two then left together for Denver.





Get Kubiak and then Reggie..along with an O-line. Yes.
 
damn the last thing we need is another David "Sub Par" Carr lover.....dude will never be more than average.
 
I'm not saying I know more than Gary, but it is a possibility that he could be wrong, I've watched David play and he shows me no reason on why we should give him 8 mil to be our franchise QB......."drop Sub Par Carr", that's my battle cry.
 
NFLforher said:
Guess you know more than Gary. :brickwall
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Gary knows whats best for Gary and if that is telling Mr. McNair/Cass what they want to hear about Carr, then he will do it. I have never seen so many people look the other way on such a fruitless pick.
 
So it's going to take a lot of hard work, but David Carr can reach another level? I wonder what that level is:

Average?

Better than average?

John Elway?

What is that level that Kubiak has identified? That's the interesting question.
 
Kubiak and Shanahan were able to turn Jake Plummer's career around, I say give him the benefit of the doubt with Carr.

Plus Carr is already use to playing in a pro offense, Vince Young is not even doing that at Texas.

Houston would be taking steps back by taking Vince Young IMO.
 
The Dream said:
I'm not saying I know more than Gary, but it is a possibility that he could be wrong, I've watched David play and he shows me no reason on why we should give him 8 mil to be our franchise QB......."drop Sub Par Carr", that's my battle cry.
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He's shows people no reason because he has had no offensive line to protect him. Any QB would be as scared as him if this is how he's had to play the first 4 years of his career, getting sacked 50 or more times a year. I remember the game against the Rams, the only game I remember watching this year where he had time to pass. He had a great game then (including the 2nd half) and has shown flashes of what he can be.
 
Even if Kubiak is telling McNair what he wants to hear I really doubt he'd put himself into a no win situation. If Kubiak thinks Carr isnt going to cut it then I doubt that Kubiak would want to coach here anyways.
 
The Dream said:
I've watched David play and he shows me no reason on why we should give him 8 mil to be our franchise QB......."drop Sub Par Carr", that's my battle cry.
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so Bob McNair should spend 50 mil and let Young sit?
 
Plummer had a good year THIS season, I'm still not to big on him either.
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That's your opinion if you are not big on Plummer's play, but the fact of the matter is that Plummer is playing better football this year comapred to last.

Better play from him is one of the primary reasons why the Broncos won the AFC West.
 
The Dream said:
I just don't see how someone could think that VY could be any worst than "Sub Par"
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Plus Carr is already use to playing in a pro offense, Vince Young is not even doing that at Texas.
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Big stats out of a shotgun offense tailored around Young's strengths.

The name Alex Smith rings a bell to anyone around here?

Lienart is the most prepared QB prospect because he's been running a pro offense at USC for 3 years.

Vince hasn't done it for one season, he will not be prepared to step right in and be more productive than Carr.
 
The Dream said:
Vince is no Alex Smith
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That is true. He may be better. He may be worse. We don't know yet since Vince isn't in the NFL and hasn't even declared. The Texans have bigger needs than quarterback though.

Let me ask you this The Dream, were you all for the Texans drafting Vince Young before the NC game?
 
LikeABoss said:
Because Vince can run, but the passing #'s were similar.
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Hawaii and Texas Tech QB's always have great numbers...but nobody thinks they are a QB factory...you just have to watch the games since numbers are deceptive. Alex Smith is no Vince Young.
 
LikeABoss said:
The name Alex Smith rings a bell to anyone around here?
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I was always against Alex Smith as the first pick last year and Smith and VY have nothing in common.

LikeABoss said:
Lienart is the most prepared QB prospect because he's been running a pro offense at USC for 3 years.
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Against the scubs of the Pac-10. He goes up against the Longhorns and struggled.
 
Yes I've been wanting him in a Texans uni, but he kept saying he was gonna stay another year, so I thought he was out of the picture....but he wants to come out so my opinion is VY>>>>RB.
 
HardKnockTexan said:
Even if Kubiak is telling McNair what he wants to hear I really doubt he'd put himself into a no win situation. If Kubiak thinks Carr isnt going to cut it then I doubt that Kubiak would want to coach here anyways.
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Right. There are more opportunities out there.
 
Fiddy said:
I was always against Alex Smith as the first pick last year and Smith and VY have nothing in common.

Against the scubs of the Pac-10. He goes up against the Longhorns and struggled.
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Leinart struggle against UT? Are you kidding? Did you even watch the game? 29 for 40 for 365 yards is struggling? He was almost perfect in the 2nd half. Make a logical argument at least...
 
Fiddy said:
Against the scubs of the Pac-10. He goes up against the Longhorns and struggled.
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29-40 365 yards 72.5 comp % 9.1 passing avg. 1 TD 1 INT against Texas

I wouldn't call that struggling.

In the first half maybe, but there is two halfs to a football game.
 
HardKnockTexan said:
Right... what would a someone that coached Steve Young and John Elway know about quarterbacks??
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He had zero to do with their development. Go look at your history as others could take this as an implication.
 
TexanSam said:
Leinart struggle against UT? Are you kidding? Did you even watch the game? 29 for 40 for 365 yards is struggling? He was almost perfect in the 2nd half. Make a logical argument at least...
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Watch the first half. He struggled. They made adjusments in the 2nd half. He didnt have his usually 3 TD, no INT game. He had one TD passing and one INT and came close to throwing 2 more if the Texas defenders had any catching ablility...
 
Vinny said:
Hawaii and Texas Tech QB's always have great numbers...but nobody thinks they are a QB factory...you just have to watch the games since numbers are deceptive. Alex Smith is no Vince Young.
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I'm comparing them because they both played in a similar type of offense. It's just that Vince is a way better runner than Smith, but their passing #'s were not that far apart.

I'm not hating on Vince at all, hell I was one of the posters on here defending him on this board. I just think it's gonna take him time to adjust playing in a NFL offense.

You know, 3-5 step drops from underneath the center, scanning the field making adjustments, changes, and reads from underneath the center at the line of scrimmage. You know, basic stuff like that. He should stay at Texas and work on that, instead of taking off to the NFL and having to learn how to do it over there.
 
LikeABoss said:
He should stay at Texas and work on that, instead of taking off to the NFL and having to learn how to do it over there.
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If he goes back to Texas he isnt going to work on that in a game. Brown isnt going to change the offense that won him a national championship just so VY will be ready for the NFL. The best way for him to learn it is to come out, hold a clipboard for a while and then get in the game and learn of the move.
 
Fiddy said:
If he goes back to Texas he isnt going to work on that in a game. Brown isnt going to change the offense that won him a national championship just so VY will be ready for the NFL. The best way for him to learn it is to come out, hold a clipboard for a while and then get in the game and learn of the move.
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Well folks, there you have it.

I still don't think the Texans really need him though. And why invest that much money into one position anyway when the Texans have many more problems at different positions? Oh well. *shrugs*
 
why invest money in the RB position, when we already have a good one, and have many more holes to fill????.............you can't do everything at once, but what you can do is draft a great talent and fill in the rest as you go along.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Gary knows whats best for Gary and if that is telling Mr. McNair/Cass what they want to hear about Carr, then he will do it. I have never seen so many people look the other way on such a fruitless pick.
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Yeah...I'm sure that's what McNair wants to hear. What McNair wants to hear is how he's going to make this team better, not the stuff he already knows. That's like me telling Peter Frampton what a power cord is.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
Yeah...I'm sure that's what McNair wants to hear. What McNair wants to hear is how he's going to make this team better, not the stuff he already knows. That's like me telling Peter Frampton what a power cord is.
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If you are talking about Frampton before he did the Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band movie, then you may have a point.
 
The Dream said:
why invest money in the RB position, when we already have a good one, and have many more holes to fill????.............you can't do everything at once, but what you can do is draft a great talent and fill in the rest as you go along.
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With Bush you would have the change of pace, take it the distance type running back. With Davis you would still have that power run between the tackles type running back. It would be a two-headed monster that teams would have to respect, which should open up the passing game so AJ can see less double teams. Domanick also wouldn't have to carry the load all the time, so that should keep him healthy.

Jus my :twocents: tho.
 
I also believe that Carr has great ability, but so many times I have just sat there shaking my head because of some stupid move that Carr made. He stares down his WR, doesn't have pocket presence, and doesn't know how to throw that ball away to keep from taking a sack.

Vince Young doesn't have the arm strength of Carr (at least from what we have seen), hasn't played a pro style offense, and according to some here is only marginally faster than Carr. While these might be true, Young brings something that Carr hasn't. Young has Pocket presense, knows how to find his other options, and has the confidence to take the team on his shoulders and do what it takes to win.

I like Carr, and I hope he can be taught to become a good QB, but right now, Young is further along to being a good QB than Carr is, and Young is just a Junior in college, while Carr is a 4 year veteran.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
He had zero to do with their development. Go look at your history as others could take this as an implication.
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That is debatable. Steve Young had one of his best seasons when Kubiak was the QB coach for the Niners.
 
With Bush you would have the change of pace, take it the distance type running back. With Davis you would still have that power run between the tackles type running back. It would be a two-headed monster that teams would have to respect, which should open up the passing game so AJ can see less double teams. Domanick also wouldn't have to carry the load all the time, so that should keep him healthy.
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And with Young, you have a proven leader/winner (which the team needs), who is accurate, can run, read defenses, will have a great target to go to in Andre Johnson, and can only get better with some snaps.


That's just my 2 cents.
 
vtech9 said:
Young is further along to being a good QB than Carr is, and Young is just a Junior in college, while Carr is a 4 year veteran.
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College is much different from the NFL.
 
tulexan said:
That is debatable. Steve Young had his best season when Kubiak was the QB coach for the Niners.
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Young had been in the league for 9 years until Kubiak touched him. He was all pro already in 92 & 93 before Kubiak came in 94. Lest we not forget Young at BYU was not to shabby. :challenge
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Young had been in the league for 9 years until Kubiak touched him. He was all pro already in 92 & 93 before Kubiak came in 94. Lest we not forget Young at BYU was not to shabby. :challenge
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True, no doubt Steve Young was a great talent even before Kubiak was there, but in '94 he had a 70% completion average, threw for almost 4000 yards and had 35 touchdowns and only 10 interceptions, not to mention the most important fact that they went to the Super Bowl in which he put on a clinic and threw for 326 yards and 6 touchdowns with no interceptions.
 
The Dream said:
but Young has a lot more upside than Sub Par, and imo (college or not) is better than Sub Par,
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VY does nothing but zone-read. Another QB who did that was this kid named Alex Smith. He didn't throw a TD till he faced the worst D in the league, in the last game of the year. Young is very overrated. The only advantage VY has over Smith is speed. VY doesn't have a strong arm. By NFL standards, he is sub-par.
 
saying Kubiak had anything to do with the greatness of Young is like saying Phil Jackson had to do with the greatness of MJ.....great players make great coaches.
 
NFLforher said:
Guess you know more than Gary. :brickwall
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This board knows more than Kubiak, Dungy, the Texan org, Reeves and anyone else who disagrees! No evidence is enough (unless Carr has a great year, than we'll all say we knew it).

However, when the board disagrees with itself, cognative dissonance makes my brain vibrate and my head explode. :bomb:
 
The Dream said:
saying Kubiak had anything to do with the greatness of Young is like saying Phil Jackson had to do with the greatness of MJ.....great players make great coaches.
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Did Jordan win a championship before Phil Jackson was the coach?
 
Bottom line is VY can't be worst than David Carr....and I'm almost 99.9% sure on that......David was, is, and will always be average.....he is what he is. :rolleyes:


Did Jordan win a championship before Phil Jackson was the coach?
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this isn't a basketball forum so I'll leave this one alone..........but I'll leave you with this, I guess Rudy is responsible for the Rockets 2 titles........Jordan would still have rings without Jackson....
 
Runner said:
This board knows more than Kubiak, Dungy, the Texan org, Reeves and anyone else who disagrees! No evidence is enough (unless Carr has a great year, than we'll all say we knew it).

However, when the board disagrees with itself, cognative dissonance makes my brain vibrate and my head explode. :bomb:
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Just about right when it comes to the Texans since most of us have watched our team more than any of those that you listed.
 
The Dream said:
Bottom line is VY can't be worst than David Carr....and I'm almost 99.9% sure on that......David was, is, and will always be average.....he is what he is. :rolleyes:
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Hold up...Carr hasnt reached average yet...
 
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