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Kubiak's Next Destination

Showtime100 said:
I don't care what anybody says. I think Kubes sucked as the HC of the Texans and I think it was the right move to let him go. But tonight he won a ring as HC of the Broncos and I couldn't be happier for him.

I want to say "nice job" but instead I'll say "good for you, Gary, good for you."
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Kubiak didn't suck but he was stuck in mediocrity. Some was his fault but Not all his fault i mean we've gone over the how ineptitude of the front office is dead weight.

Regardless congrats kubiak, wade Phillips, Owen Daniels and any other person with Texan ties
 
Showtime100 said:
I don't care what anybody says. I think Kubes sucked as the HC of the Texans and I think it was the right move to let him go. But tonight he won a ring as HC of the Broncos and I couldn't be happier for him.

I want to say "nice job" but instead I'll say "good for you, Gary, good for you."
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I was a fan of Kubes with the Texans, but at the same time, I though it was the right decision to let him go after 2013.

I always thought he was a good coach and glad he won tonight! Good job coach!
 
Goatcheese said:
The NFL sure figured out Kubiak and Wade's generic predictable schemes didn't they. Dinosaurs incapable of succeeding in a modern NFL that left them in the dust.
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I'll just speak for myself, but I don't think Kubiak won tonight on his offensive prowess. Do you? 3rd and 17, draw. 3rd and 9, run? The scene is in black and white and it has played over and over at a theater near you.

As for Wade. Yeah, good on him, Kubes too while I'm at it. But how long will he be in Denver? History says 2 more years. He brings in a plan and changes nothing. Teams figure it out. Wade gets fired. If it weren't for nepotism (if you will) he'd still be at home complaining his phone isn't ringing.

As people I love them both, but let's get real here.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's get real here - if they sucked as bad as you seem to think they wouldn't be fondling a Lombardi right now.
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I accept that as a fair point. Perhaps my posts paint a darker picture than what I'm thinking. I do feel basically it is a "right place, right time" thing for Wade and Kubiak, but point well taken.
 
infantrycak said:
Kubiak must be a god in Denver right now. Involved in every SB they have ever played - 3 as player (losses), 2 as OC (wins) and 1 as HC (win)...wins with 2 on the verge of retirement QBs.
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You must be forgetting about SB XII against the cowboys... Gary was still at St. Pius X
 
Showtime100 said:
I accept that as a fair point. Perhaps my posts paint a darker picture than what I'm thinking. I do feel basically it is a "right place, right time" thing for Wade and Kubiak, but point well taken.
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Isn't it for most all coaches?
 
JB said:
You must be forgetting about SB XII against the cowboys... Gary was still at St. Pius X
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Good catch.

Don't know how I forgot that one. The pre-game show was hilarious. They were saying the Broncos biorhythms were higher so they would win. And with that, the biorhythm theory died.
 
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JB said:
Isn't it for most all coaches?
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Yeah, sure, it happens, but there are coaches that stay where they are for a long period of time because they clearly know wtf they are doing. Kubes stayed in Houston for a fair amount of time thanks to McNair's bottom line, the almighty dollar. As long as the natives didn't riot McNair took his money and let Kubes be Kubes.

I'll just end my thing here saying I stand by my thoughts about Kubiak. Funny he's suddenly getting so much love here on the night of his great win as if it were all him.
 
Showtime100 said:
Funny he's suddenly getting so much love here on the night of his great win as if it were all him.
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Clearly not all him. Elway>Smith for one thing.

But it is kind of funny watching the coach who 'probably will never get another HC job' and was 'clearly incapable of ever winning a SB' win a SB as HC 2 years later.

Not many HCs win SBs in their 1st year. Gruden. Can you remember any others?
 
infantrycak said:
Clearly not all him. Elway>Smith for one thing.

But it is kind of funny watching the coach who 'probably will never get another HC job' and was 'clearly incapable of ever winning a SB' win a SB as HC 2 years later.

Not many HCs win SBs in their 1st year. Gruden. Can you remember any others?[/QUOTE]

Cool trivia. Props. I promise I'm answering without google...etc. Switzer is my only thought but even that might be wrong.
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Edit: Don't know what happened here (won't let me get out of the quote thing even after erasing it)...lol. My response.......

Cool trivia. Props. I promise I'm answering without google...etc. Switzer is my only thought but even that might be wrong.
 
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infantrycak said:
Clearly not all him. Elway>Smith for one thing.

But it is kind of funny watching the coach who 'probably will never get another HC job' and was 'clearly incapable of ever winning a SB' win a SB as HC 2 years later.

Not many HCs win SBs in their 1st year. Gruden. Can you remember any others?
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Congrats Kubiak!!!!
 
Showtime100 said:
Yeah, sure, it happens, but there are coaches that stay where they are for a long period of time because they clearly know wtf they are doing. Kubes stayed in Houston for a fair amount of time thanks to McNair's bottom line, the almighty dollar. As long as the natives didn't riot McNair took his money and let Kubes be Kubes.

I'll just end my thing here saying I stand by my thoughts about Kubiak. Funny he's suddenly getting so much love here on the night of his great win as if it were all him.
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Strongly disagree with the bolded. 2011 Texans were on of if not the best team in the NFL (yeah I know his QB screwed the pooch) and 2012 were no slouches... to say that he didn't have a clue is just wrong
 
Showtime100 said:
Edit: Don't know what happened here...lol. My response.......

Cool trivia. Props. I promise I'm answering without google...etc. Switzer is my only thought but even that might be wrong.
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Switzer got it his 2nd year. That's part of why he isn't very popular in Dallas, folks think he should have gotten one his 1st year too so they would have had 4 in a row.
 
JB said:
Strongly disagree with the bolded. 2011 Texans were on of if not the best team in the NFL (yeah I know his QB screwed the pooch) and 2012 were no slouches... to say that he didn't have a clue is just wrong
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I never said he didn't have a clue. See, that's what is wrong with arguing with US old men. :D :D :D
 
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Scary thought? Manning's 19mil will be coming off the books with his retirement (I assume that's how it works) and Kubiak will have a big offseason. He'll be able to address the offensive line as well as spend an entire camp with the quarterback of his choosing. He'll be able to better teach his backs what to look for and add a fullback to the mix. If Denver can keep the defense together (a possibility with that extra cap space from Manning), they might actually be a whole lot better next year.
 
Scooter said:
Scary thought? Manning's 19mil will be coming off the books with his retirement (I assume that's how it works) and Kubiak will have a big offseason. He'll be able to address the offensive line as well as spend an entire camp with the quarterback of his choosing. He'll be able to better teach his backs what to look for and add a fullback to the mix. If Denver can keep the defense together (a possibility with that extra cap space from Manning), they might actually be a whole lot better next year.
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This is true, although Manning's 2016 cap number is 21.5 million. However they have a lot of FA's that are gonna want to be paid. Miller & Osweiler will eat up a ton of cap space by themselves
 
JB said:
This is true, although Manning's 2016 cap number is 21.5 million. However they have a lot of FA's that are gonna want to be paid. Miller & Osweiler will eat up a ton of cap space by themselves
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Osweiler isn't going to eat up much. He'd get 4-5mil at best, and that's assuming Kubiak wants him back. He isn't someone Kubiak selected, and was flatly benched because Kubiak didn't think he was able to command the huddle. I see the same. Sure he's tall and has decent physical talent, but he doesn't have the head or the accuracy for it - he's a pitcher, not a quarterback. Von could be expensive though, and that's where the money is going to come into play. Wolfe has already been paid, and there aren't any other pending contracts that I'm aware of.
 
Goatcheese said:
The NFL sure figured out Kubiak and Wade's generic predictable schemes didn't they. Dinosaurs incapable of succeeding in a modern NFL that left them in the dust.

Please share some more of your expert opinions.
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When Wade was here, how often did he blitz both safeties? Or a CB? & when he did, did he blitz them from such deep drops?

& while there are similarities, he never had his Demarcus Ware here. Much less Demarcus & Von Miller.

Sorry, but Wade was more predictable than not when he was here, I didn't see the versatility Denver's defense showed yesterday.

I didn't see anything extra out of Kubiak yesterday. Poor guy still coaching around a limited QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
When Wade was here, how often did he blitz both safeties? Or a CB? & when he did, did he blitz them from such deep drops?

& while there are similarities, he never had his Demarcus Ware here. Much less Demarcus & Von Miller.

Sorry, but Wade was more predictable than not when he was here, I didn't see the versatility Denver's defense showed yesterday.

I didn't see anything extra out of Kubiak yesterday. Poor guy still coaching around a limited QB.
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'It's not X's and O's, it's Jimmys and Joes'. Would Wade blitz Glover Quin same as TJ Ward? - damn right he would. Would he blitz Ed Reed? - he didn't want Ed Reed on the field. The scheme is the same, Wade wins by making his players better than the other team's. Elway put players on the field. McNair/Smith put jerseys on the field.
 
Scooter said:
Osweiler isn't going to eat up much. He'd get 4-5mil at best, and that's assuming Kubiak wants him back. He isn't someone Kubiak selected, and was flatly benched because Kubiak didn't think he was able to command the huddle. I see the same. Sure he's tall and has decent physical talent, but he doesn't have the head or the accuracy for it - he's a pitcher, not a quarterback. Von could be expensive though, and that's where the money is going to come into play. Wolfe has already been paid, and there aren't any other pending contracts that I'm aware of.
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Osweiler may not be Kubiak's guy. But, if they let him walk and Manning retires they have nothing. Nothing at all. They will keep Osweiler because he is Elway's guy if not Kubiak's. And he will get a lot more than 4-5 mil. Other contracts coming up besides Miller may be replaceable. Mathis, Harris, Norwood, Vernon Davis, Bruton, Caldwell, Hillman, Jackson, Trevathan, and restricted free agents in CJ Anderson and Brandon Marshall.

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I don't know that Kubiak would have won a Super Bowl here. Up to that time, he'd known one way & one way only.

Working with Harbaugh last year & dealing with Manning this year probably opened his mind a bit.
 
JB said:
Osweiler may not be Kubiak's guy. But, if they let him walk and Manning retires they have nothing. Nothing at all. They will keep Osweiler because he is Elway's guy if not Kubiak's. And he will get a lot more than 4-5 mil. Other contracts coming up besides Miller may be replaceable. Mathis, Harris, Norwood, Vernon Davis, Bruton, Caldwell, Hillman, Jackson, Trevathan, and restricted free agents in CJ Anderson and Brandon Marshall.

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I admit to being a bit fuzzy on some names, but that looks like a pretty good offensive purge IMO. Defensive players (Harris, Trevathan and Marshall) will be given every opportunity to return. Have you forgotten how many offensive linemen that Kubiak sent to the probowl (or paychecks) here? The Broncos current offense is built to spend 90% of the game in shotgun formations and needs this purge. In Houston Kubiak started with Andre Johnson. Period. End of sentence. In a couple years he was sending probowlers across the line, the #1 receiver in the league, the #1 runningback in the league, and Schaub lead the league in passing. He did so while sending most of the resources to the defensive side.

That ain't bad ... think he could do even better with Elway knowing what he wants instead of Rick Smith and McNair setting up roadblocks?
 
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Scooter said:
I admit to being a bit fuzzy on some names, but that looks like a pretty good offensive purge IMO. Defensive players (Harris, Trevathan and Marshall) will be given every opportunity to return. Have you forgotten how many offensive linemen that Kubiak sent to the probowl (or paychecks) here? The Broncos current offense is built to spend 90% of the game in shotgun formations and needs this purge. In Houston Kubiak started with Andre Johnson. Period. End of sentence. In a couple years he was sending probowlers across the line, the #1 receiver in the league, the #1 runningback in the league, and Schaub lead the league in passing. He did so while sending most of the resources to the defensive side.

That ain't bad ... think he could do even better with Elway knowing what he wants instead of Rick Smith and McNair setting up roadblocks?
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Agreed, but your premise was that they could be better next year. How long did it take Kubiak to build his OL here? And he had to have Gibbs here to teach it... They will still be good, perhaps even great, but Manning's retirement ain't gonna make everything rosey all of a sudden
 
JB said:
Agreed, but your premise was that they could be better next year. How long did it take Kubiak to build his OL here? And he had to have Gibbs here to teach it... They will still be good, perhaps even great, but Manning's retirement ain't gonna make everything rosey all of a sudden
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Well, in his first draft he grabbed Eric Winston and IMO an all-time great Charles Spencer for bookends. Chester Pitts was on his way out, and everyone forgets that Kubiak was saddled with Mike Sherman his first year - which included David Carr, Ahman Green and Mike Flanagan. Flanagan was dumped at first opportunity for a 5th round trade in Chris Myers. Yes, Kubiak has proven that he can build very quickly - doubly so given the fact that he wont have to overhaul the entire team and won't have to do everything by himself. He's already got depth in place, he just has to teach them and add a couple anchors to have an immediate impact.
 
Scooter said:
Well, in his first draft he grabbed Eric Winston and IMO an all-time great Charles Spencer for bookends. Chester Pitts was on his way out, and everyone forgets that Kubiak was saddled with Mike Sherman his first year - which included David Carr, Ahman Green and Mike Flanagan. Flanagan was dumped at first opportunity for a 5th round trade in Chris Myers. Yes, Kubiak has proven that he can build very quickly - doubly so given the fact that he wont have to overhaul the entire team and won't have to do everything by himself. He's already got depth in place, he just has to teach them and add a couple anchors to have an immediate impact.
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All-time great????? He played for how long before he got Dayne'd? I agree that he had potential, but it was never realized. And I agree that Kubiak did build a solid OL, he also dismantled that same OL. Who is is great ZBS teacher now? It wasn't him. Kubiak can get that offense clicking, given time, but let's not twist facts here. The Broncos should be good for awhile, but they will have to work at it just like every other team.


edit: BTW, the only reason he got Myers was because he was a backup on his former team... the Broncos! He ain't gonna pull a probowl Center from the Texans so easily.
 
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Part of my criticism of Gary was that he was too tense here in Houston. Towards the end he always had that upset stomach face. And I thought his team's reflected that with their play in big games and in tight spots. I even said that the game kubiak collapsed was because of Case.

Well kubiak pretty much said the same things. I'll look for the specific quote, but I found this for right now:


Kubiak did spend the 2014 season as the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens and in that time, he was able to observe Ravens head coach John Harbaugh and gain some self-awareness.

“I got to sit in the back of that room instead of being the guy up front in the meetings, and it gave me a chance to watch John Harbaugh handle situations,” Kubiak told The Denver Post prior to the start of the 2015 season. “You sit there and say to yourself, ‘You know I like that idea, and if I’m a head coach again, I’d probably do this the same way.’ I learned watching him each and every day.”
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However, former Texan and Bronco tight end Joel Dreessen says the Kubiak we all saw publicly was different from the guy players would see behind the scenes, and that the head coach could make Mondays after losses very uncomfortable. “When I was in Houston, the Monday after a loss would feel like the sky is falling,” Dreessen recalled. “If you made mistakes the day before, you’d get singled out and held accountable.”

Dreessen also believes that, despite Elway’s desire for more kicking and more screaming, this is a more laid-back version of Kubiak, publicly and privately. “What’s interesting is that I think Gary has taken a more relaxed approach this season after watching the way John Harbaugh operates in Baltimore,” Dreessen continued. “He lets players bring their families to walk-throughs on Saturday, things like that.”
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http://www.houstonpress.com/news/ga...h-the-same-tactics-that-got-him-fired-8120314


Kubiak needed to go. He had enough time here. I always said I hoped Kubiak would learn, but he never did here. Being fired, and then seeing another head coach work seemed to have taught him some things. Sometimes in life in general you have to go through some struggles to learn.

I always thought kubiak was a brilliant offensive mind. But he was not a great head coach here. Good for him for overcoming the adversity and looking in the mirror and becoming better.
 
After every other head coach wins a Super Bowl, he gets the benefit of the doubt in just about every situation you could think of. Not Kubiak.

I think he was ill prepared for the job here, when he got here, but that's because this organization was screwed so badly from the Casserly/Capers days. Kubiak had to set a lot of things straight to get the whole organization moving in the same direction.

Still, I think he took us as far as he could. At least as far as he could with Rick Smith. McNair chose to go forward with Rick. So far it looks like he may have made a mistake, but we'll see.
 
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Maybe I'm a bit soft, but damn, it felt nice to see that man smile. The 2013 season had him so stressed I thought this game would end up killing him. I'm not a Bronco fan and definitely not a Manning fan; but I was proud Kubiak was holding that trophy last night. That was probably the 2nd best possible outcome to this season (outside of Houston winning it).
 
Denver won the title in spite of Kubiak. His offense was pitiful. He had no control over the defense. That was all Wade. He had no control over personnel. That was all Elway. I'm really not sure what he did to contribute except to just get out of the way and not F it all up. Even then he almost failed because he got in the way early in the year with forcing his offense on Manning and then later in the year trying to force Osweiler on the franchise in place of Manning.
 
WolverineFan said:
Denver won the title in spite of Kubiak. His offense was pitiful. He had no control over the defense. That was all Wade. He had no control over personnel. That was all Elway. I'm really not sure what he did to contribute except to just get out of the way and not F it all up. Even then he almost failed because he got in the way early in the year with forcing his offense on Manning and then later in the year trying to force Osweiler on the franchise in place of Manning.
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Gary Kubiak is a great man. I still remember when the Houston Texans fired him he was all class despite the tough circumstances. That weekend he paid for a full ad in the Houston Chronicle thanking all Texans fans and mentioned how his wife and kids loved the city of Houston.

He deserved to become a Super Bowl champion as a head coach to go along with the two Super Bowls he has already won as an offensive coordinator. I feel great for him and his family.

It's too bad he didn't hoist that Lombardi Trophy here in Houston. If Bob McNair had more patience who knows what could have happened. Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips were both here during our 12-4 season. We were 11-1 that year and had the best record in all of football going into the final month of the season before a late-season collapse which seemed to carry over into the 2-14 season after that.

Gary Kubiak is a really good head coach who deserves a lot of praise. I love selfless people who work hard, overcome adversity and end up succeeding. If I played in the NFL right now I'd love to play for a guy like Kubiak.

In some ways, Bill O'Brien has a lot of the same qualities as Kubiak. I just hope we don't let him go too soon. Can you believe some people were talking about firing O'Brien when we started off 1-4 this past season? Unreal. It was only his second season and he rebounded with an 8-3 finish.

I miss Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips. There isn't a better head coach with an offensive mentality and a defensive coordinator tandem out there right now. Super Bowl 50 champions. My hats off to both fine men. And my thumbs down to Bob McNair and Rick Smith.
 
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So Kubiak is the cause of everything for 8 years in Houston and is responsible for nothing in Denver.
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I blame Rick Smith for the failing in Houston as he failed spectacularly to build a contender around prime-Schaub. However, remember that it was Kubiak who hand-picked Smith to come over as GM from Denver and I blame Kubiak for not seeing the writing on the wall with declining-Schaub and choosing to go down with that ship instead. Smith and McNair are responsible for a lot of idiotic decisions but Kubiak had a lot of power here and is at least somewhat culpable, albeit not so much as Smith/McNair.

I don't give Kubiak a lot of credit for Denver's success. This is a team that was just in the SB 2 years ago. Elway went on a huge win-now spending spree and Wade Phillips produced one of the most elite defenses of the modern era. I guess give him credit for hiring Wade? Other than that what did he do? Their offense was abysmal all season long and a lot of it had to do with Kubiak trying to pigeon-hole Manning into his offense.
 
WolverineFan said:
Denver won the title in spite of Kubiak. His offense was pitiful. He had no control over the defense. That was all Wade. He had no control over personnel. That was all Elway. I'm really not sure what he did to contribute except to just get out of the way and not F it all up. Even then he almost failed because he got in the way early in the year with forcing his offense on Manning and then later in the year trying to force Osweiler on the franchise in place of Manning.
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Actually, there are very few coaches who could have managed the QB situation as well as he did... He was able to bench Peyton when needed, then bring him back at the proper time and keep all the gossip, rumors, etc... from creating a rift with the team. I am impressed! The offense certainly sputtered. However, he did get Peyton and company on board with a very conservative style of offense just in time for their successful playoff run.

Was he the masterful architect of this championship team? No. However, he steered the ship and put the team inposition to win.... And they did.
 
WolverineFan said:
Other than that what did he do? Their offense was abysmal all season long and a lot of it had to do with Kubiak trying to pigeon-hole Manning into his offense.
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Yeah you could argue pigeon holing before the season. Not now. Kubiak did exactly what Elway hired him to do - not defer to old man Manning and once again hoist a Lombardi with an over the hill dog tossing a 53 rating.
 
WolverineFan said:
Denver won the title in spite of Kubiak. His offense was pitiful. He had no control over the defense. That was all Wade. He had no control over personnel. That was all Elway. I'm really not sure what he did to contribute except to just get out of the way and not F it all up. Even then he almost failed because he got in the way early in the year with forcing his offense on Manning and then later in the year trying to force Osweiler on the franchise in place of Manning.
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To be fair I don't think either of those things are true based on everything I've read. Sure he's going to bring in his offense, but Kubiak made a lot of accommodations for Peyton even though he was clearly struggling.

Kubiak went to more up tempo stuff at times and he also did some pistol stuff to compromise with Peyton. Also, there was a point where manning could not run at all and therefore kubiak couldn't run his boots and stretches like he wanted to.

As far as the Brock thing, from what I've seen stated, Kubiak always told his team that Peyton would be the starter again once he was healthy.


And I did not like Kubiak as coach here at all and I agree that I don't think this SuperBowl win means he's a great head coach after all....

But credit where it's due....He deserves credit...It's not like that team was on auto-pilot....And the offense did enough to get the job done even with a QB that was clearly very limited physically.
 
Funny how some sad,sour people can't be happy for Koobs and still find nitpicky things to be critical of. Real cringy.

Snake Dick was cheesing big time coming off the plane, and I couldn't help but smile too.

Wade won one for daddy.

Kubiak did what he did here. Won with a ragtag bunch.

Think Denver would fire him after a bad season? Lol
 
I wasn't a big Kubiak fan when he was here. I wasn't a hater by any means...

But the Broncos won, beating one of the most dominant teams we've seen in a long, long while & they won in spite of their HC. That's just unreal.
 
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