The1ApplePie
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Elway may be the best GM in the NFL, which I think has a lot to do with the success. Kubes is average at his best IMO, but average coaches can win a Super Bowl. Very good staff around him as well.
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Kubiak's Next Destination
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Congrats to Kubiak and Wade! 
I was honestly shocked to see Kubiak beat Belichick twice this season, especially an AFC Championship game, and with two different QBs.
Funny thing was the 2nd half had a classic Kubiak feel to it. My buddy was rooting for the Broncos (only because he hates Brady), and he said the same thing: this feels like a Texans game when Kubiak was here! But hey, no criticism, his conservative approach to holding a lead and letting the defense defend it worked. I'm not sure if the same approach will work against an explosive Panthers team, but at this point, nothing but props to our old head coach and DC. Solid dudes, and they certainly deserved the win that they earned.
I do wonder, though, will people treat Kubiak like they do Jon Gruden if he wins it? Gruden won a SB in his first year at Tampa, but is always footnoted that he won with the team that Dungy built. Kubiak did not have a lot of influence in building the Broncos, who had been going to playoffs every year since 2011 (the same season that he took the Texans to the postseason for the first time). Right coach at the right place at the right time.
I was honestly shocked to see Kubiak beat Belichick twice this season, especially an AFC Championship game, and with two different QBs.
Funny thing was the 2nd half had a classic Kubiak feel to it. My buddy was rooting for the Broncos (only because he hates Brady), and he said the same thing: this feels like a Texans game when Kubiak was here! But hey, no criticism, his conservative approach to holding a lead and letting the defense defend it worked. I'm not sure if the same approach will work against an explosive Panthers team, but at this point, nothing but props to our old head coach and DC. Solid dudes, and they certainly deserved the win that they earned.
I do wonder, though, will people treat Kubiak like they do Jon Gruden if he wins it? Gruden won a SB in his first year at Tampa, but is always footnoted that he won with the team that Dungy built. Kubiak did not have a lot of influence in building the Broncos, who had been going to playoffs every year since 2011 (the same season that he took the Texans to the postseason for the first time). Right coach at the right place at the right time.
True. Which is what makes guys like Belichick so special. He's managed to always have a very good staff around him. Doesn't happen by accident, especially when you're consistently getting poached. His staff failing every time they get a chance says something as well.
I doubt anyone will be poaching Kubiak's staff this season, but eventually, we'll see what Kubiak is/isn't
Congrats to Kubiak and Wade!
I was honestly shocked to see Kubiak beat Belichick twice this season, especially an AFC Championship game, and with two different QBs.
Funny thing was the 2nd half had a classic Kubiak feel to it. My buddy was rooting for the Broncos (only because he hates Brady), and he said the same thing: this feels like a Texans game when Kubiak was here! But hey, no criticism, his conservative approach to holding a lead and letting the defense defend it worked. I'm not sure if the same approach will work against an explosive Panthers team, but at this point, nothing but props to our old head coach and DC. Solid dudes, and they certainly deserved the win that they earned.
I do wonder, though, will people treat Kubiak like they do Jon Gruden if he wins it? Gruden won a SB in his first year at Tampa, but is always footnoted that he won with the team that Dungy built. Kubiak did not have a lot of influence in building the Broncos, who had been going to playoffs every year since 2011 (the same season that he took the Texans to the postseason for the first time). Right coach at the right place at the right time.
I'm surprised no one criticized Belichick for all those field goals in the first half.
Gruden got footnoted because it was all down hill after that Super Bowl. Did he make the play offs after?
So much for that theory. Lol
Nope, not me. I applaud his accomplishment and wouldn't have made my comment had I seen yours
Yes, lost two wildcard games in the next six seasons.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Gruden got footnoted because of a combination of things. First is the Dungy thing and the lack of success afterwards. But also because the team he beat in the Super Bowl was the team he had just left. How good could he be if his former team made it to the Super Bowl with Bill Callahan but they couldn't make it with him?
austins23
Hall of Fame
And I don't see the Broncos and Kubiak making many playoff runs with Osweiler if Manning hangs it up.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
If the rest of the roster stays solid, I disagree. Osweiler put up a decent performance given it was his first set of starts ever. Arguably, he was the better of the two QB's this season, and it's certainly reasonable to think he'll get better as he gains experience. Sadly, 2015 Peyton Manning won't be that difficult to replace.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Congrats to Kubiak and Wade!
I was honestly shocked to see Kubiak beat Belichick twice this season, especially an AFC Championship game, and with two different QBs.
Funny thing was the 2nd half had a classic Kubiak feel to it. My buddy was rooting for the Broncos (only because he hates Brady), and he said the same thing: this feels like a Texans game when Kubiak was here! But hey, no criticism, his conservative approach to holding a lead and letting the defense defend it worked. I'm not sure if the same approach will work against an explosive Panthers team, but at this point, nothing but props to our old head coach and DC. Solid dudes, and they certainly deserved the win that they earned.
I do wonder, though, will people treat Kubiak like they do Jon Gruden if he wins it? Gruden won a SB in his first year at Tampa, but is always footnoted that he won with the team that Dungy built. Kubiak did not have a lot of influence in building the Broncos, who had been going to playoffs every year since 2011 (the same season that he took the Texans to the postseason for the first time). Right coach at the right place at the right time.
Well O'Brien is winning with Kubiaks team so there is that little asterisk too =)
The Bucs traded their future to get Gruden. They gave up two 1st round picks, and it was his offense that got Tampa Bay over the hump and into the Super Bowl. He also inherited a team that was in salary-cap hell, something that he had nothing to do with before he arrived.
See, the devil is in the details and not the simpleton black and white version of revised history. Gruden earned his ring just like Kubiak will if they win this game. We always hear that the NFL is a "results driven business" and it's true. Some folks, though, only apply that when it suits their agenda and ignore it when it does not fit their narrative.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I actually agree with all that. I was just speaking as to why some people look at Gruden in a certain light.
Tampa not only gave up two 1sts, but they also gave up two 2nds and paid Oakland $8M for Gruden's contract.
He got there in 2002. They didn't have a full draft until 2005. That had as much to do with Gruden's downfall as anything else.
Bulls on Parade
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I don't know if I'd call a pair of 9-7 seasons and a 30-0 home loss in a wild-card game "winning". I think we'd have done better than that these past two seasons if we had simply kept Gary Kubiak. But I see what you mean buddy.
TexansBull
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I don't. I think Kubiak had to fail and learn from it to get where he is. And lets be honest - most of the team was already there and he didn't build it like he had to with the Texans. Similar to what others have said with the Gruden comparison. But unlike Gruden he Kubiak wont face the team he built in the Superb Owl.
This thread reminds me of what I heard people saying in the checkout line at HEB today.
Guy right behind me says "Damn! It took Kubiak only one year to go the Super Bowl, how come he couldn't do that here?"
Guy in the back that I couldn't even see, chuckles out "Only a Texans fan would be dumb enough to ask that question."
Me and about 3 others doubled over in laughter. It was hilarious!
Guy right behind me says "Damn! It took Kubiak only one year to go the Super Bowl, how come he couldn't do that here?"
Guy in the back that I couldn't even see, chuckles out "Only a Texans fan would be dumb enough to ask that question."
Me and about 3 others doubled over in laughter. It was hilarious!
Funny. Reading the posts here, you'd think Texans fans have it figured out.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
About to coach a Stuperbowl with the QB whom he REFUSED to CONSIDER bringing here...must be nice.
Dread-Head
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Because when he WAS here he PASSED on Payton Manning, but when he was hired as OC at Denver Manning was ALREADY their starter. He INHERITED the QB he had a shot at here (and didn't want) and is given the reigns of team that was in the Superbowl three years ago...yeah...he's a "genius".
Not to mention also that the Glazers turned all of their focus on Manchester United and decided to stop investing back into the Bucs until about 3 or 4 years ago. Gruden had no support from ownership as a far as keeping high profile players or signing good free agents to fill holes. Gruden also never had a serviceable QB after Brad Johnson's SB year. After Johnson, Gruden had to start Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, washed up Jeff Garcia and Luke McCown.
How many coaches are winning much with those guys?
Speaking of the latter I am becoming more and more a believer of QBs making coaches more than the other way around. It seems in the modern era of the NFL that all of the "great" coaches have great QBs. Once that QB goes down, starts struggling, retires, etc it's like many of those "great" coaches become mediocre to bad and often get fired shortly after.
Well, after closely watching for 14 seasons I can tell you who does NOT have it figured out: the Houston Texans.
Scooter
Funky
Wasn't a lot of that on Gruden though? You're much closer to the team, so I defer to your experience, but Gruden's got a reputation for stockpiling middling quarterbacks thinking that he can turn them into gold. He often sees the good in quarterbacks without weighing in the bad. Sadly that's starting to sound familiar.
The most obvious "miss" was passing on Aaron Rogers and taking Cadillac Williams. However a ton of teams passed on Rogers. I can't recall any other times when he had a chance at a franchise QB and passed. What I remember most about his era was the Glazers being cheap and putting all of their money into Man U. Despite that he still managed to get into the post season a couple of times and the team totally went down the toilet after he was let go.
Gruden is still loved in the area. You still will see a few Chucky dolls scattered around at Buc tailgates.
Fans dont give Gruden his due. IMHO His last yr in Oakland he would've made the SB if not for the bogus tuck rule. The next yr Callahan made the SB with Gruden's team and played Gruden's Bucs in the SB. Gruden also helped make Rich Gannon a league MVP and choached up Brad Johnson into a SB winning QB.
Yes Gruden took over a team Dungy built and Dungy was unable to get to the SB and turned them into world champions. Gruden did what he was brought in to do and his record shouldn't be discounted for this accomplishment.
Like has been mentioned above the Glazers traded the future of the franchise to get Gruden and as an owner I'm sure they thought it was worth the price they paid.
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Yep. We drafted DT Travis Johnson instead. He still jokes about the Texans drafting him over Aaron Rodgers on sports-talk radio. As if any of us will ever forget. Seems like he's been out of the league for a while. Travis Johnson is a funny guy with a good personality fit for sports-talk radio. I'll give him that.
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steelbtexan said "Fans dont give Gruden his due."
Are you sure about that? Seems like he's been working for ESPN and out of the NFL for a while now. But yet when there's a head coaching vacancy his name is always mentioned by the fans as a popular choice.
Even here in Houston before Bill O'Brien was hired, many Texans fans including myself, were talking about Jon Gruden being a good choice if he had any interest in returning to the sidelines. His brother is doing a pretty good job with the Redskins.
Also to note: Jon Gruden is the highest-paid, on-air personaility on ESPN. He's being paid a good penny so returning back to coaching, and all of the stress that comes with it, probably isn't in the cards. He's happy being where he is on ESPN just like Jimmy Johnson has been happy on FOX for the past 16 years since last coaching the Miami Dolphins.
Are you sure about that? Seems like he's been working for ESPN and out of the NFL for a while now. But yet when there's a head coaching vacancy his name is always mentioned by the fans as a popular choice.
Even here in Houston before Bill O'Brien was hired, many Texans fans including myself, were talking about Jon Gruden being a good choice if he had any interest in returning to the sidelines. His brother is doing a pretty good job with the Redskins.
Also to note: Jon Gruden is the highest-paid, on-air personaility on ESPN. He's being paid a good penny so returning back to coaching, and all of the stress that comes with it, probably isn't in the cards. He's happy being where he is on ESPN just like Jimmy Johnson has been happy on FOX for the past 16 years since last coaching the Miami Dolphins.
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Mr teX
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eh, this is where the part of that saying of qb's getting too much credit for the success of the team is most relevant imo. Good qbs can elevate a team and coach to a certain point in the short term, but a good HC is what gets that team to break through to the next level and keep that team up there Imo. Furthermore the qb plays a decidedly smaller role in managing the egos of 70 something players and coaches and the establishment of a winning culture.
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infantrycak
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When did NFL rosters hit 70?
dream_team
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If this were true, then why don't coaches get paid more than ~5-8 mil/year. There's no salary cap on coaches, so why not try to get Bellicheck by offering something ridiculous like 15 mil? That's a lot cheaper than a franchise QB.
Mr teX
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Players & coaches
Mr teX
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Quite simply b/c fans come to see players play, not coaches coach and NFL owners know this...The money they put down on that top young qb prospect in the draft or high priced FA splash signing in the offseason has a higher and quicker ROI on it than if it were spent on a highly regarded coach. however, that fact has little to do with a coach's impact on his team b/c ultimately fans come to see their players play winning football. And we all know the guy who primarily shoulders that responsibility.
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infantrycak
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Are you counting the TE coach? He's done a damn nice job of making them invisible.
CloakNNNdagger
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ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo 9h9 hours ago
Gary Kubiak will be the first man in NFL history to appear in a Super Bowl as a player and head coach for the same team (via @EliasSports)
Gary Kubiak will be the first man in NFL history to appear in a Super Bowl as a player and head coach for the same team (via @EliasSports)
Mr teX
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Lol, yeah but I don't think the TE's needed much help with that. Their shitty play kinda takes care of that.
In 2013 Graham caught 49 for 545 and 5 td's, last year he rode the pine. You have to put some of that on the coaches
A friend of mine met him in the airport in Atlanta and said he was a great guy to have a beer with. (Layover)
I'm just talking about all of the Dungy nut huggers that dont give Gruden his due. I have to admit I dislike the Colts more than any team in the NFL, (Owner;s a druggie, they're cheap shot artists See: Fitz/Savage, Tank etc..., Changing the rulrs on WR contact because they couldn't beat the Pats) Thanks Polian
Anyways it;s too late to give my true thoughts about how the NFL/God'ell cater to the Colts org, (Deflategate) McNair is the chair of the finance committee and this wilcontinue to happen, I just dont get why he is not pitching a bi*** about this. Or maybe he doesn't really care as much as some of the posters on this MB do.
Waiting for the Sandman/Cak.JB etc... I'm a hater posts.
pitching a bitchfit about what?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Keep waiting.
McNair has built one of the 10 most profitable sports franchises in the world. He's leading one of the most powerful group of owners in the NFL (Finance committe) despite being a relative newbie. (Still learning on the job) He got Rick a chair on the rules committee and the Colts can still take out Fitz/Savage etc... meanwhile if you beath on Manning when he was a Colt/Luck, he** even Orlovsky flag day happens.
The whole thing (Not just Texans related is starting to turn me off.)
The whole thing (Not just Texans related is starting to turn me off.)
Give me more donkey/bellydancer history.
BTW, I'm rooting for the Donkey's (Haters with no sense of humor)
Scooter
Funky
Gary Kubiak will beat Bill Belichick twice in the same season. He'll do it with two different quarterbacks - a 4th year rookie and the (benched) ghost of a Hall of Famer, an injured line and no run game. Anyone wanna take that bet back in July? I'm about as homer as it gets, and still don't see it happening.
Scooter
Funky
I'm getting quite excited about the matchups a week from now. I love Wade Phillip's defensive approach, his strength is his front and aggressive nature. I thought his weakness outside would be exposed against the Pats, but he did the impossible - he confused Tom Brady. Brady couldn't figure out the coverages and as a result got hit more times than at any point in recent memory ... even getting his offensive line coach fired.
Superbowl is an entirely different beast. On paper it could go either way. It's in Wade's best interest to man up against a weak receiving core. It's in his best interest to blitz constantly to attack the Panthers' biggest threat - Cam. HOWEVER! There are two ways to destroy that ... a mobile quarterback and a great tightend. Guess what Carolina brings. I forget the opponents (maybe Cam), but there were at least a couple times that Wade used Mercilus as a rush/spy with varying success ... I'm curious to see if he'll take a similar approach with Von being in more of a joker role.
The other side of the ball doesn't interest me, I predict Manning throwing more passes to Luke Kuechly than to Demaryius Thomas (of whom I'll take the 3 drop 'over'). I'd like to see a close game, but the Panthers are freight training really good teams to the point of embarrassment. I'll enjoy the game and am obviously rooting for the Broncos, if for no other reason than for 'Son of Bum' to finally get a MUCH DESERVED ring, but it's the scheme that's really going to hold my attention.
Superbowl is an entirely different beast. On paper it could go either way. It's in Wade's best interest to man up against a weak receiving core. It's in his best interest to blitz constantly to attack the Panthers' biggest threat - Cam. HOWEVER! There are two ways to destroy that ... a mobile quarterback and a great tightend. Guess what Carolina brings. I forget the opponents (maybe Cam), but there were at least a couple times that Wade used Mercilus as a rush/spy with varying success ... I'm curious to see if he'll take a similar approach with Von being in more of a joker role.
The other side of the ball doesn't interest me, I predict Manning throwing more passes to Luke Kuechly than to Demaryius Thomas (of whom I'll take the 3 drop 'over'). I'd like to see a close game, but the Panthers are freight training really good teams to the point of embarrassment. I'll enjoy the game and am obviously rooting for the Broncos, if for no other reason than for 'Son of Bum' to finally get a MUCH DESERVED ring, but it's the scheme that's really going to hold my attention.
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
In a era which has forgotten the rural life, the concept of a matched pair (Team) of horses is something to consider. If either the Coach or the QB is significantly ahead of the other, the team is made worse. But a matched pair, even if not elite, can wind up better than the unmatched one with a superior talent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I don't care what anybody says. I think Kubes sucked as the HC of the Texans and I think it was the right move to let him go. But tonight he won a ring as HC of the Broncos and I couldn't be happier for him.
I want to say "nice job" but instead I'll say "good for you, Gary, good for you."
I want to say "nice job" but instead I'll say "good for you, Gary, good for you."
Wolf
100% Texan
I think being in baltimore helped him a bit. Tweak a litttle bit