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Kubiak's Next Destination

thunderkyss said:
Best QB to ever play the game.
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Sorry, man, but the "best QB to ever play the game" doesn't throw TWO pick 6's in two Super Bowl losses. He just doesn't.

Manning has more playoff losses than any other QB in NFL history. 9 one-and-dones in the postseason, another NFL record.

Manning is arguably the greatest regular season QB in history, but his postseason history is what it is and nothing can change it.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think he's too close to the action, can't spot trends until it's too late. OR gets fooled too often when it counts the most.

It will help him to have someone he respects & will listen to... & maybe Kubiak is that guy. So there's a chance.

But the other thing is that he's Peyton Manning & I think it's a problem he & all the other "hero" QBs have to deal with. Something happens that isn't good & the rest of the team is like, "It's ok, Peyton's going to fix it for us." Where you end up with Peyton, or the hero QB, playing one man against 46.
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Presuming he returns, it will be a twice expressed desire to work with Kubiak and Peyton is no dummy. He knows Kubiak has a system very unlike what he is used to. In addition, you have to think Elway is in his ear about older QBs and winning the SB being what is more important than ego and doing it "his" way.
 
infantrycak said:
Presuming he returns, it will be a twice expressed desire to work with Kubiak and Peyton is no dummy. He knows Kubiak has a system very unlike what he is used to. In addition, you have to think Elway is in his ear about older QBs and winning the SB being what is more important than ego and doing it "his" way.
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I like the way this story has turned out, and it will be fun to see how it all develops. Schaub and Flacco were classic pocket passers with the mobility of sloths, so this could end up really good for Manning. Couple that with a Wade Phillips defense, and I would not be shocked at all to see the Broncos in the AFC Championship next year.

Is Denver now Houston North? :hmmm:
 
infantrycak said:
Even if you believe in the Wade Phillips post 2 year swoon, that works real well for Denver since his two years coincide with Manning's 2 years.
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Yep, they are trying to win it all right now.

If they don't win the SB in the next two years they officially rebuild.
 
Double Barrel said:
I like the way this story has turned out, and it will be fun to see how it all develops. Schaub and Flacco were classic pocket passers with the mobility of sloths, so this could end up really good for Manning. Couple that with a Wade Phillips defense, and I would not be shocked at all to see the Broncos in the AFC Championship next year.

Is Denver now Houston North? :hmmm:
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No. Houston was always Denver South under Kubiak and will become New England South under OB. We don't get to have our own identity.
 
Double Barrel said:
Sorry, man, but the "best QB to ever play the game" doesn't throw TWO pick 6's in two Super Bowl losses. He just doesn't.

Manning has more playoff losses than any other QB in NFL history. 9 one-and-dones in the postseason, another NFL record.

Manning is arguably the greatest regular season QB in history, but his postseason history is what it is and nothing can change it.
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You have to wonder why this is.
 
infantrycak said:
Because for most of his time in Indy they built a 5 man team - Manning, Wayne, Harrison, Freeney and either Edge or Mathis.
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yup, they never built a TEAM, either due to incompetence or the belief that Manning would deliver
 
Texecutioner said:
Oh, I've got no problem admitting that I was wrong about Kubiak getting hired and pretty quickly. I'll grant that. It is no secret that this coach's fraternity is a very small one in the NFL, and these coaches get recycled over and over.

Kubiak has never proven me wrong on his coaching though. Not even close. He proved me right for 8 or 9 years, hell I lost count. The Kubiak disciples that swore his greatness was amongst us all were blind. He'll crash and burn in Denver as well though, unless Manning stays and somehow doesn't get effected by aging factor again. Denver fans will soon see what Texans fans saw and witnessed for years. Once Kubiak is forced to go out and find a QB, and do things his way, him and Elway will clash. Elway hired Kubiak, because Elway wants someone he can control. Elway comes off like a mini Jerry Jones. I think he is a great GM as far as the aggressiveness for players though. He clearly wants to control things. He fired Fox after 4 straight years of the playoffs and a SB appearance. He even got them in the playoffs with Tebow. Fox's resume trumps anything Kubiak has ever touched. I think Elway couldn't help himself from being involved and with Kubiak it will be very easy.




The fact that you have to try and follow Kubiak to other teams to justify his failures here is about as pathetic as it gets. All your insults at frustrated fans for years and lectures about his great coaching coaching crashed and burned miserably. If you think you can say anything insulting about me on this subject with any validity, you're more delusional now than when you thought Kubiak would get us to a SB.
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I was totally wrong about Kubiak not getting an OC or HC job so soon after Houston but I'm still right about him being terrible! I knew he was a scrub his first year here!

Yeah your certainly know how to admit when you are wrong.
 
thunderkyss said:
Peyton Manning won't be winning another Super Bowl. I love the guy, really. Best QB to ever play the game.

But he's not going to win a Super Bowl.


Just a gut feeling I have. I was worried last year, up until that first snap in the Super Bowl.
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Johnny Unitas was the best QB to ever play the game. Period.

Manning is 3rd or 4th after him....
 
b0ng said:
I was totally wrong about Kubiak not getting an OC or HC job so soon after Houston but I'm still right about him being terrible! I knew he was a scrub his first year here!

Yeah your certainly know how to admit when you are wrong.
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How in the hell can you write that when the Ravens, with Kube's as the first year OC, set team records, Flacco set personal records, etc???

Don't be bitter
 
handswarmer said:
Johnny Unitas was the best QB to ever play the game. Period.

Manning is 3rd or 4th after him....
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Unitas (and Luuuv me some Johnny U) is the 2nd best QB to play the game. Otto Graham was the best. He took his team to 10 straight AAFL/NFL championship games and won 5 of them. He took his team to the championship every year he played pro football. No one has come close to duplicating that. No one ever will.
 
ObsiWan said:
Unitas (and Luuuv me some Johnny U) is the 2nd best QB to play the game. Otto Graham was the best. He took his team to 10 straight AAFL/NFL championship games and won 5 of them. He took his team to the championship every year he played pro football. No one has come close to duplicating that. No one ever will.
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Otto Graham played in a league that did not allow black players. He was the best of his day, but let's be honest, it was diluted talent when some of the best athletes of the time were not allowed on the field.
 
Double Barrel said:
Otto Graham played in a league that did not allow black players. He was the best of his day, but let's be honest, it was diluted talent when some of the best athletes of the time were not allowed on the field.
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Marion Motley and Bill Willis were on the 1946 Browns' team with Otto Graham....
Paul Brown was progressive, for that time frame, regarding having an integrated team. He just wanted to win.

And should I not count Johnny U or Bart Starr since Blacks weren't allowed to play QB back in their day??
 
Double Barrel said:
Otto Graham played in a league that did not allow black players. He was the best of his day, but let's be honest, it was diluted talent when some of the best athletes of the time were not allowed on the field.
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Heck even for white people the NFL was talent diluted. The NFL wasn't the high profile sport it is now. Being an olympian for example took precedence for many. A two sport athlete like Russell Wilson most likely would have gone MLB.
 
Double Barrel said:
Manning has more playoff losses than any other QB in NFL history. 9 one-and-dones in the postseason, another NFL record.

Manning is arguably the greatest regular season QB in history, but his postseason history is what it is and nothing can change it.
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gary said:
You have to wonder why this is.
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I personally believe that Manning's post season record was mostly due to the consistent annual match up with the better all around team, the Patriots. The yearly Manning vs Brady game was reliably the best game every season. I'm going to miss it.
 
Brisco_County said:
I personally believe that Manning's post season record was mostly due to the consistent annual match up with the better all around team, the Patriots. The yearly Manning vs Brady game was reliably the best game every season. I'm going to miss it.
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Eh....Manning is 1-2 against the Patriots in Post season play. He's had as much trouble with the Chargers as the Pats.
 
ObsiWan said:
Marion Motley and Bill Willis were on the 1946 Browns' team with Otto Graham....
Paul Brown was progressive, for that time frame, regarding having an integrated team. He just wanted to win.

And should I not count Johnny U or Bart Starr since Blacks weren't allowed to play QB back in their day??
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They were ON his team, not against him.

Honestly, though, it's truly tough to judge players from different eras. The NFL is a much more complex game today than it was in Graham's or Starr's day. Their talent would most likely transfer to modern times, but the game is different in so many ways. Unitas is considered the first of the modern QBs, so he might be a little easier to compare. But, that was before my time, so I do not have a reference point for him.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Eh....Manning is 1-2 against the Patriots in Post season play. He's had as much trouble with the Chargers as the Pats.
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Ok, those three straight years seemed like a longer tradition than it actually was.

I remember the Chargers were a great team during that era too; I was surprised they never won an AFC title.
 
ObsiWan said:
Unitas (and Luuuv me some Johnny U) is the 2nd best QB to play the game. Otto Graham was the best. He took his team to 10 straight AAFL/NFL championship games and won 5 of them. He took his team to the championship every year he played pro football. No one has come close to duplicating that. No one ever will.
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I should have quantified my response. Never saw Graham play.

I was real young watching Johnny= got to know him in the 80's when I mowed a lawn next door to his farmette....helluva nice guy.

But I agree with you about Graham.

I also think that we need to break it down as to the era's in which they played. Rules and rule changes, conditioning, analytics, equipment, etc., all factor in to deciding who was best at what time.
 
infantrycak said:
Heck even for white people the NFL was talent diluted. The NFL wasn't the high profile sport it is now. Being an olympian for example took precedence for many. A two sport athlete like Russell Wilson most likely would have gone MLB.
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Jim Brown is in two Hall of Fame's- the Pro Football HoF and the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame.....http://youtu.be/-gHcnPAhXWY

Said he loved Lacrosse more than Football
 
b0ng said:
I was totally wrong about Kubiak not getting an OC or HC job so soon after Houston but I'm still right about him being terrible! I knew he was a scrub his first year here!

Yeah your certainly know how to admit when you are wrong.
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Give yourself some confidence and explain how I was wrong? Gary's like 7 years of evidence that was embarrassing to this franchise. Him getting getting hired somewhere else does not change any of that history that existed here.

Honestly you Kubiak disciples get more and more hilarious as this goes on as you guys are now having to cling onto his other teams to justify the failures of all the campaigning you guys refused to give up on. Thank god Mcnair finally did.
 
Texecutioner said:
Give yourself some confidence and explain how I was wrong? Gary's like 7 years of evidence that was embarrassing to this franchise. Him getting getting hired somewhere else does not change any of that history that existed here.

Honestly you Kubiak disciples get more and more hilarious as this goes on as you guys are now having to cling onto his other teams to justify the failures of all the campaigning you guys refused to give up on. Thank god Mcnair finally did.
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How exactly was he embarrassing to the franchise? I agree with him being fired and the Texans moving on from him, but he is nowhere close to embarrassing. He brought the Texans their first winning season, first division championship, first playoff birth, first playoff victory. Not sure how that's an embarrassment?
 
Texecutioner said:
Give yourself some confidence and explain how I was wrong? Gary's like 7 years of evidence that was embarrassing to this franchise. Him getting getting hired somewhere else does not change any of that history that existed here.

Honestly you Kubiak disciples get more and more hilarious as this goes on as you guys are now having to cling onto his other teams to justify the failures of all the campaigning you guys refused to give up on. Thank god Mcnair finally did.
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I agree with every word of this. People are looking at what he did with the Ravens as some sort of absolution of what he did here. It is not, and has nothing to do with the terrible job he did here.

What's funny is, he got another job, and then proceeded to put together the EXACT same staff he had here. As a friend of mine put it: "Really, Gary? You can't find ANY other coaches? REALLY?"

Kubiak's a nice guy, but a total loser as a leader.
 
houstonspartan said:
I agree with every word of this. People are looking at what he did with the Ravens as some sort of absolution of what he did here. It is not, and has nothing to do with the terrible job he did here.
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Of his whole job here? - absolutely not. But it was a complete repudiation of the stupidity of the claims of his system being predictable, antiquated, figured out, etc.

Kubiak's a nice guy, but a total loser as a leader.
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Not according to any of his players. But I think you meant the management side of being a HC since you mentioned coach selection - something he was clearly weak at on the defensive side.
 
houstonspartan said:
I agree with every word of this. People are looking at what he did with the Ravens as some sort of absolution of what he did here. It is not, and has nothing to do with the terrible job he did here.

What's funny is, he got another job, and then proceeded to put together the EXACT same staff he had here. As a friend of mine put it: "Really, Gary? You can't find ANY other coaches? REALLY?"

Kubiak's a nice guy, but a total loser as a leader.
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He took us from less than zero to the play offs.

If I were Buffalo, NYJets, Miami, St. Louis, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, Chicago, or Tampa Bay I'd love to have someone with that kind of experience come to my organization. 2-14 or not, everyone of those organizations would loved to have had our history over Gary's 8 years.
 
thunderkyss said:
He took us from less than zero to the play offs.

If I were Buffalo, NYJets, Miami, St. Louis, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, Chicago, or Tampa Bay I'd love to have someone with that kind of experience come to my organization. 2-14 or not, everyone of those organizations would loved to have had our history over Gary's 8 years.
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From a talent evaluation Kubiak built the best Texans team to date. Even the best players from last years team are here because of Kubiak. What has me nervous with O'Brien cutting Myers/AJ, is the fact that the Texans didn't get any production from their rookies last year. You have to draft solid players to be able to replace them and last year O'Brien didn't hit on one draft pick.
 
JCTexan said:
From a talent evaluation Kubiak built the best Texans team to date. Even the best players from last years team are here because of Kubiak. What has me nervous with O'Brien cutting Myers/AJ, is the fact that the Texans didn't get any production from their rookies last year. You have to draft solid players to be able to replace them and last year O'Brien didn't hit on one draft pick.
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I'm not too worried about last year's draft just yet.

I'm more worried about the previous couple of drafts. Particularly the Brennan Williams/Sam Montgomery/Trevardo Williams picks and the Mercilus/Posey/Martin picks.

Last year's draft can still produce and live up to the expectations for it. The Williams/Montgomery/Williams thing turned into a fiasco.
 
JCTexan said:
From a talent evaluation Kubiak built the best Texans team to date. Even the best players from last years team are here because of Kubiak. What has me nervous with O'Brien cutting Myers/AJ, is the fact that the Texans didn't get any production from their rookies last year. You have to draft solid players to be able to replace them and last year O'Brien didn't hit on one draft pick.
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I think O'Brien did a good job of getting us a defensive staff. Signing Vrable to get Crennel... so I think he knows how this works.

If he doesn't land Maclin or Cobb, I'm going to be upset. We know Rick Smith doesn't have any juice. Hopefully OB's experience recruiting college players will help him land blue chip players.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm more worried about the previous couple of drafts. Particularly the Brennan Williams/Sam Montgomery/Trevardo Williams picks...
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See, I look at that as the Hopkins, Swearinger, Quessenberry, Chris Jones, Ryan Griffin draft.


The other one is the Brooks, Ben Jones, Jared Crick, Randy Bullock draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
See, I look at that as the Hopkins, Swearinger, Quessenberry, Chris Jones, Ryan Griffin draft.


The other one is the Brooks, Ben Jones, Jared Crick, Randy Bullock draft.
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From the first, we only have Hopkins as a plus, as far as I'm concerned. Swearinger hasn't proven himself to be a good player, yet; he has moments good and bad. Quessenberry and Chris Jones haven't contributed to our team at all. And Griffin has been good but nothing to write home about.

From the second, Brooks is a plus but the others are still proving themselves. At this point, it's not looking like anything other than an average draft at the very best because of the failure Mercilus to be anything other than average and Posey to even see the field.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
From the first, we only have Hopkins as a plus, as far as I'm concerned. Swearinger hasn't proven himself to be a good player, yet; he has moments good and bad. Quessenberry and Chris Jones haven't contributed to our team at all. And Griffin has been good but nothing to write home about.

From the second, Brooks is a plus but the others are still proving themselves. At this point, it's not looking like anything other than an average draft at the very best because of the failure Mercilus to be anything other than average and Posey to even see the field.
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No doubt about it, if we have to find pro bowlers in every draft... Hop/Brooks, maybe one day... those drafts don't look that great. But if we're talking about building a solid team just waiting for a QB, we could do worse.

People talk about those drafts & mention the Montgomery, Williamses, & Posey to make it sound like we got absolutely nothing. Ben Jones is a player. We don't like it, but he's been solid. His rookie year & last year. Not elite... definitely room for an upgrade, but nothing to stop Arian Foster from having an excellent season. & people are falling over Brandon Brooks like he's a sure fire pro bowler & he may very well be.

DeAndre Hopkins can't replace Andre Johnson, except for the fact that he's replacing Andre Johnson. That alone makes that draft.


I'm not saying Rick Smith is great. Just that we got more than nothing out of those drafts. Quessenberry & Chris Jones haven't amounted much for our team, but you can't blame the GM, or whoever drafted them for that. Blame mother nature for one & the smartest guy in the room for the other (& he's gone).
 
thunderkyss said:
He took us from less than zero to the play offs.
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It took what 7 years to do that? Lol!

That isn't an accomplishment at all. It also took him that long to have a winning season. It's a blemish on his resume. It isn't an endorsement. The majority of franchises around the league would have fired him before that season ever took place, and that was also the one season that Bob made him go get Wade to replace his flunkies on the coaching staff that he wouldn't ever get rid of. Wade's defense is what turned that team around, because the offense was terrible that year outside of Foster.
 
infantrycak said:
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4th
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That wasn't a winning season. He clocked 9-7 when the patriots packed it in the 3rd quarter. That was by far Kubiak's worst season coaching as well. He single handily kept them out of the playoffs by sabotaging like 3 games that year with Chris Brown the RB. Kubiak should have been fired after that season with his stubbornness in using Green and Brown. Brown never showed even a slice of potential on this team, and Kubiak kept thinking he could be a hero at the end of games. :cutthroat:

Those are some of the worst memories I'll ever have of the Texans.
 
Texecutioner said:
It took what 7 years to do that? Lol!

That isn't an accomplishment at all. It also took him that long to have a winning season. It's a blemish on his resume. It isn't an endorsement. The majority of franchises around the league would have fired him before that season ever took place, and that was also the one season that Bob made him go get Wade to replace his flunkies on the coaching staff that he wouldn't ever get rid of. Wade's defense is what turned that team around, because the offense was terrible that year outside of Foster.
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There are teams out there that haven't had a winning season in a decade. I bet they'd bend over backwards for a guy who could get them to 8-8 in his second season & follow it up with 8-8 or better. Most of these guys know they have to crawl before they can walk. Then you can think about running.
 
Texecutioner said:
That wasn't a winning season. He clocked 9-7 when the patriots packed it in the 3rd quarter.
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Uhm,....what happened to
Texecutioner said:
Slice that up however you want, but Kubiak made it a disaster. Your record is what it says it is. If it wasn't that bad of a disaster like you say, then it looks a lot worse on Kubiak for letting the train wreck so badly. They both took over bad teams.
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:lol:
 
So ESPN posted this...

NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL
That moment you realize the NFL season is still 172 days away!

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And Ed Reed re-captioned it to this...

20 reed ‏@TwentyER
“@ESPNNFL: That moment you realize you play for the same coaches Houston had 2 years ago! ”
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