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Kubiak's Next Destination

Lucky said:
Have we suddenly turned into Broncos fans? I'm 1000% all in for Richard Smith as Denver's new DC. Do it, Gary!
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LOL!!!

Interesting drama to see how this plays out. It's so rare to see someone take over a good team, arguably one entirely capable of winning the SB.

Missed if this quote was posted earlier but Kubiak is sounding flexible:

“The offense Peyton runs, he's tremendous at it, back there in the gun controlling the game, controlling the line of scrimmage. Nobody has ever done it better and he's the master at it,” Kubiak said. "Actually, I'm looking forward to learning that style and that system that he has.

“We're going to do what our team does best and what our players do best, and if Peyton Manning's playing, that's what he does best.”
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infantrycak said:
LOL!!!

Interesting drama to see how this plays out. It's so rare to see someone take over a good team, arguably one entirely capable of winning the SB.

Missed if this quote was posted earlier but Kubiak is sounding flexible:



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"Actually, I'm looking forward to learning that style and that system that he has."

Wha?

Have you ever seen something so weird that your eyes dart in all directions like a seizure and you get light headed? Like if a Siamese twin casually walked right in front of you in public without warning. Or Chaz Bono. That's what watching my first Broncos 2015 game will be like. I might faint like an anemic woman right in the middle of the bar.
 
I wish Gary Kubiak well coaching the Denver Broncos. It's going to feel bittersweet to me, but more sweet, when the Texans spank his Broncos in the 2016 playoffs next year.
 
Hookem Horns said:
If Mr. "It's on me" follows me out here I am going to be pizzed. The Glaziers cant be that stupid. I don't even want him out here as a OC which was the rumor I heard today. Hopefully Lovie Smith takes the job and ends this nonsense.

For the life of me I can't see how any team could be thinking he's a decent HC right now. The NFL has caught up to his outdated offense. His work with QBs is way overrated and the dude can't even watch the crucial FG attempts.

Again I don't even hire him as an OC right now.
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lol
 
John Elway is the Denver Broncos, and Kubiack is an old friend and a guy
who's very compatible with Elway and communicates with him very well.
So basically GK is Elway's boy, and Elway gets what Elway wants in Denver.
I was surprised that Elway even brought Fox back for the 2014 season after Denvers very poor performance in the SB ?
 
b0ng said:
lol
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LOL, you had to go there b0ng. OK, I admit, he would have been better than the OC that Lovie ended up with last season which was no one (a guy MIA due to health issues).

They went all season without a real OC in place which IMO was the major contributing factor to their disastrous season and the defense having to learn a new scheme.

Looking back would I rather have Lovie Smith or Kubiak as the HC? Yeah, I would stick with Lovie despite the disaster last season. I really just don't like soft coaches in the HC position.
 
Double Barrel said:
Do you think the Ravens will try to re-sign Owen Daniels? He was on NFLN's Total Access last night, and I didn't realize that he only had a one year deal with Baltimore. I would not be shocked to learn that the Broncos are trying to sign him.
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We should try everything we can to re-sign OD. No guarantee on Pitta returning and even if he does, how effective can he be? only other TE's on roster are inexperienced.

I don't see him following Kub's to Denver as he will tailor his playbook to Manning instead of vice versa. But with Demarius Thomas and Jacob Tamme being FA's, who knows?

But I don't think OD will leave- Kub's doesn't need him to help teach his Offense to the Broncos- they already play a version of it- and the Ravens need him more to continue success they enjoyed this past season....
 
santo said:
It was hard to choose for the Ravens and the Pats this year, since I'm a fan of both, but good luck next season and hopefully your team and ours will be meet in the AFC championship game. :swatter:
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The Ravens are the team the Patriots do not want to see in the playoffs.

I used to respect the Pats- now with Deflate-gate I just cannot even give them credit for the SB wins.....

2 times they have been caught compromising the integrity of the game....
 
Hookem Horns said:
LOL, you had to go there b0ng. OK, I admit, he would have been better than the OC that Lovie ended up with last season which was no one (a guy MIA due to health issues).

They went all season without a real OC in place which IMO was the major contributing factor to their disastrous season and the defense having to learn a new scheme.

Looking back would I rather have Lovie Smith or Kubiak as the HC? Yeah, I would stick with Lovie despite the disaster last season. I really just don't like soft coaches in the HC position.
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I was laughing generally at the statements about not wanting him as OC. I think he could've either talked Lovie out of putting McCown as the starter or at least made him passable (maybe, who knows).

I can understand not wanting him as a HC after 2013, but yeah, OC would never be out of the picture for him.
 
Double Barrel said:
Go back to the first page of this thread. I said a year ago that Kubiak is Norv Turner 2.0. Mediocre head coach who is just appealing enough to keep getting hired. Marty Schottenheimer is the king of these types of coaches. No surprise at all that he's been hired by someone else.

You, on the other hand, were straight up calling people out for thinking such a thing. You stated, and I quote to get it right, "I think that people are seriously on something if they actually think that Kubiak is going to get any kind of HC jobs any time soon. "

You also said in that same rant: "Not even the Broncos would have hired Kubiak if Manning and Fox weren't there. Kubiak might get an OC job in a year or two, but I wouldn't expect that in this off season. I highly doubt that Kubiak will ever get another HC job again."

Just man up and admit you were wrong. We've all been there, but the difference is that most of us do not get belligerent in order to avoid eating crow.

As far as the rest of your rant, I honestly stopped reading when my eyes get crossed. Absolutely no offense intended, but it becomes one long run-on sentence after awhile. You start babbling on about comparing spousal abuse to being a football fan and my logic circuits begin to shut down from lack of use.



Yeah, silly me, just enjoying being a football fan instead of some shallow egghead who lives vicariously through an entertainment medium that I have no control to influence in the slightest.

Look, pal, I know my place in this particular food chain. Have you figured out that all your armchair-GM wannabe act leaves you in the same place as me? That would be WATCHING the games, not actually impacting them in the slightest.

So go ahead and be negative about all of it. Sometimes you even amuse us, and when it comes to entertainment, you serve a purpose by doing so.
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Epic post! You have to remember that the poster in question is really "Grumpy Cat"

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He comes here to wallow in misery of the teams failures. Not sure he would actually be happy even if the team were to become the new Patriots and be a contender every year for the next decade or so. Some people are just that way. Personally I think attaching your self esteem to how your favorite sport team plays is silly, but then again I am nearly 50 years old and I still play Madden, so what do I know? Don't answer that.

Troy Chapman said:
That's pretty sad that Cincy won't let Vance out of his contract to get a promotion.

I would think that Jim Schwartz would be a great fit in Denver as DC.
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I didn't like Schwartz as the Lions HC, but he was better as the DC in Buffalo. Having said that, I feel like his teams, or squad if he is just a DC have no discipline. I think LeBeau would be a better choice and would harden up the Broncos D. I am sure DL would rather be a DC than a LB coach.

infantrycak said:
Vance Joseph has been blocked from being DC. LeBeau is about to sign as LB coach with the Cardinals. Wonder who is next up?
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What about Son of Bum? No talk about that? Then the circle would be complete.
 
I still cant help myself from daydreaming on what could have been if McNair goes all out to get Peyton here 3 years ago teaming him with Kubiaks offense then. Sigh.

Fate is a funny thing. I'm almost disappointed they are getting together this late in Peyton's career. I still think he can do something special next season in Kubiaks offense. One Last Hurrah.
 
Nitrofish said:
Epic post! You have to remember that the poster in question is really "Grumpy Cat"

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He comes here to wallow in misery of the teams failures. Not sure he would actually be happy even if the team were to become the new Patriots and be a contender every year for the next decade or so. Some people are just that way. Personally I think attaching your self esteem to how your favorite sport team plays is silly, but then again I am nearly 50 years old and I still play Madden, so what do I know? Don't answer that.



I didn't like Schwartz as the Lions HC, but he was better as the DC in Buffalo. Having said that, I feel like his teams, or squad if he is just a DC have no discipline. I think LeBeau would be a better choice and would harden up the Broncos D. I am sure DL would rather be a DC than a LB coach.



What about Son of Bum? No talk about that? Then the circle would be complete.
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Son of Bum is the top candidate for DC in Denver
 
Ranking the head coach hires
by Mike Sando

1. Denver Broncos: Gary Kubiak



Four of the six hires were head coaches previously, including Kubiak (the other two have been interim head coaches). There will be no on-the-job training, which can be a plus. Kubiak brings to Denver a clear vision on offense. His system has proven to get positive results even without a top quarterback. That is reason for optimism as the team transitions away from Peyton Manning at some point in the next couple of seasons. While Matt Schaub and Joe Flacco were at their best in Kubiak's offense (when he was the Texans' head coach and the Ravens' offensive coordinator, respectively), previously unheralded runners such as Arian Foster (undrafted) and Justin Forsett (seventh-round pick) also flourished.

Off the field, Kubiak appears to be a good fit with general manager John Elway. The two worked well together as teammates and in the coach-player role previously. The coach-GM dynamic is critical, and while there are no guarantees Elway and Kubiak will get along well in this arrangement, the odds appear in their favor. Kubiak also comes to Denver fully versed in the history of the organization, making him a natural fit.

2. Chicago Bears: John Fox
3. Buffalo Bills: Rex Ryan
4. New York Jets: Todd Bowles
5. Oakland Raiders: Jack Del Rio
6. San Francisco 49ers: Jim Tomsula

• A word about Quinn: I would have placed Quinn and the Falcons in the third or fourth spot above if the hiring were official.
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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Wade Phillips in the building in Denver now (as @Edwerderespn reported earlier) interviewing for Broncos DC spot. Team ready to move.
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The band is back together.

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This is actually one of the more unique situations I've seen in the NFL...

Transplant a coaching staff from one set of players to another and see what happens.

Almost a roster-to-roster comparison, I think the Broncos have more plus players.
 
Even if you believe in the Wade Phillips post 2 year swoon, that works real well for Denver since his two years coincide with Manning's 2 years.
 
i bet wade's loving life right now, he's walking into a defense that's almost custom built for him. a man to man penetrating 3-4 that's strongest in the nickel. ware and von on the outside. knighton in the middle, with young talents ends. marshall at linebacker. harris, talib and roby at corner. ward and moore at safety. i bet he asks for another safety/linebacker tweener in the draft, but otherwise the defense is tailor made.

i know the broncos could potentially lose a couple big names on offense, but i'm curious what their defense looks like regarding free agency. if they're not losing anyone, that defense is going to go from pretty good to top 5.
 
Scooter said:
i bet wade's loving life right now, he's walking into a defense that's almost custom built for him. a man to man penetrating 3-4 that's strongest in the nickel. ware and von on the outside. knighton in the middle, with young talents ends. marshall at linebacker. harris, talib and roby at corner. ward and moore at safety. i bet he asks for another safety/linebacker tweener in the draft, but otherwise the defense is tailor made.

i know the broncos could potentially lose a couple big names on offense, but i'm curious what their defense looks like regarding free agency. if they're not losing anyone, that defense is going to go from pretty good to top 5.
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Knighton and Moore are FAs
 
Broncos D is gonna be killer next year. As for the year after, who knows.

If Denver has more luck than we do, they're winning it all next year.
 
Scooter said:
thanks for the info. it's tough working around peyton's cap hit, but it'd do them a lot of good if the broncos were able to extend those two before the draft.
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Add Nate Irving to that list. Also both Thomas's and welker and you'd have to pay miller eventually
 
Double Barrel said:
Go back to the first page of this thread. I said a year ago that Kubiak is Norv Turner 2.0. Mediocre head coach who is just appealing enough to keep getting hired. Marty Schottenheimer is the king of these types of coaches. No surprise at all that he's been hired by someone else.

You, on the other hand, were straight up calling people out for thinking such a thing. You stated, and I quote to get it right, "I think that people are seriously on something if they actually think that Kubiak is going to get any kind of HC jobs any time soon. "

You also said in that same rant: "Not even the Broncos would have hired Kubiak if Manning and Fox weren't there. Kubiak might get an OC job in a year or two, but I wouldn't expect that in this off season. I highly doubt that Kubiak will ever get another HC job again."

Just man up and admit you were wrong. We've all been there, but the difference is that most of us do not get belligerent in order to avoid eating crow.

As far as the rest of your rant, I honestly stopped reading when my eyes get crossed. Absolutely no offense intended, but it becomes one long run-on sentence after awhile. You start babbling on about comparing spousal abuse to being a football fan and my logic circuits begin to shut down from lack of use.
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Oh, I've got no problem admitting that I was wrong about Kubiak getting hired and pretty quickly. I'll grant that. It is no secret that this coach's fraternity is a very small one in the NFL, and these coaches get recycled over and over.

Kubiak has never proven me wrong on his coaching though. Not even close. He proved me right for 8 or 9 years, hell I lost count. The Kubiak disciples that swore his greatness was amongst us all were blind. He'll crash and burn in Denver as well though, unless Manning stays and somehow doesn't get effected by aging factor again. Denver fans will soon see what Texans fans saw and witnessed for years. Once Kubiak is forced to go out and find a QB, and do things his way, him and Elway will clash. Elway hired Kubiak, because Elway wants someone he can control. Elway comes off like a mini Jerry Jones. I think he is a great GM as far as the aggressiveness for players though. He clearly wants to control things. He fired Fox after 4 straight years of the playoffs and a SB appearance. He even got them in the playoffs with Tebow. Fox's resume trumps anything Kubiak has ever touched. I think Elway couldn't help himself from being involved and with Kubiak it will be very easy.


Nitrofish said:
Epic post! You have to remember that the poster in question is really "Grumpy Cat"



He comes here to wallow in misery of the teams failures. Not sure he would actually be happy even if the team were to become the new Patriots and be a contender every year for the next decade or so. Some people are just that way. Personally I think attaching your self esteem to how your favorite sport team plays is silly, but then again I am nearly 50 years old and I still play Madden, so what do I know? Don't answer that.
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The fact that you have to try and follow Kubiak to other teams to justify his failures here is about as pathetic as it gets. All your insults at frustrated fans for years and lectures about his great coaching coaching crashed and burned miserably. If you think you can say anything insulting about me on this subject with any validity, you're more delusional now than when you thought Kubiak would get us to a SB.
 
as long as the broncos structure their contracts to keep the impact down over the next 2 years (to coincide with manning), they could very well return most of their free agents. i'd personally have a hard time returning julius thomas for what he'll likely ask (40mil+), but if the 26mil number that infantrycak gave is correct they do have some wiggle room to hold onto their defense.
 
Scooter said:
as long as the broncos structure their contracts to keep the impact down over the next 2 years (to coincide with manning), they could very well return most of their free agents. i'd personally have a hard time returning julius thomas for what he'll likely ask (40mil+), but if the 26mil number that infantrycak gave is correct they do have some wiggle room to hold onto their defense.
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You think he'll ask for Jimmy Graham money?
 
with 24 touchdowns in the past 2 years - he'll be asking for it and somebody might pay it. i personally wouldnt.
 
Texecutioner said:
Oh, I've got no problem admitting that I was wrong about Kubiak getting hired and pretty quickly. I'll grant that. It is no secret that this coach's fraternity is a very small one in the NFL, and these coaches get recycled over and over.

Kubiak has never proven me wrong on his coaching though. Not even close. He proved me right for 8 or 9 years, hell I lost count. The Kubiak disciples that swore his greatness was amongst us all were blind. He'll crash and burn in Denver as well though, unless Manning stays and somehow doesn't get effected by aging factor again. Denver fans will soon see what Texans fans saw and witnessed for years. Once Kubiak is forced to go out and find a QB, and do things his way, him and Elway will clash. Elway hired Kubiak, because Elway wants someone he can control. Elway comes off like a mini Jerry Jones. I think he is a great GM as far as the aggressiveness for players though. He clearly wants to control things. He fired Fox after 4 straight years of the playoffs and a SB appearance. He even got them in the playoffs with Tebow. Fox's resume trumps anything Kubiak has ever touched. I think Elway couldn't help himself from being involved and with Kubiak it will be very easy.




The fact that you have to try and follow Kubiak to other teams to justify his failures here is about as pathetic as it gets. All your insults at frustrated fans for years and lectures about his great coaching coaching crashed and burned miserably. If you think you can say anything insulting about me on this subject with any validity, you're more delusional now than when you thought Kubiak would get us to a SB.
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Texecutioner said:
Oh, I've got no problem admitting that I was wrong about Kubiak getting hired and pretty quickly. I'll grant that. It is no secret that this coach's fraternity is a very small one in the NFL, and these coaches get recycled over and over.

Kubiak has never proven me wrong on his coaching though. Not even close. He proved me right for 8 or 9 years, hell I lost count. The Kubiak disciples that swore his greatness was amongst us all were blind. He'll crash and burn in Denver as well though, unless Manning stays and somehow doesn't get effected by aging factor again. Denver fans will soon see what Texans fans saw and witnessed for years. Once Kubiak is forced to go out and find a QB, and do things his way, him and Elway will clash. Elway hired Kubiak, because Elway wants someone he can control. Elway comes off like a mini Jerry Jones. I think he is a great GM as far as the aggressiveness for players though. He clearly wants to control things. He fired Fox after 4 straight years of the playoffs and a SB appearance. He even got them in the playoffs with Tebow. Fox's resume trumps anything Kubiak has ever touched. I think Elway couldn't help himself from being involved and with Kubiak it will be very easy.




The fact that you have to try and follow Kubiak to other teams to justify his failures here is about as pathetic as it gets. All your insults at frustrated fans for years and lectures about his great coaching coaching crashed and burned miserably. If you think you can say anything insulting about me on this subject with any validity, you're more delusional now than when you thought Kubiak would get us to a SB.
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Dont be surprised when the Broncos win the SB next year. Will the majority here still be laughing and high fiving?

Good for Kubes and good for Wade. Perfect situation for both of them.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Dont be surprised when the Broncos win the SB next year. Will the majority here still be laughing and high fiving?

Good for Kubes and good for Wade. Perfect situation for both of them.
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Peyton Manning won't be winning another Super Bowl. I love the guy, really. Best QB to ever play the game.

But he's not going to win a Super Bowl.


Just a gut feeling I have. I was worried last year, up until that first snap in the Super Bowl.
 
Texecutioner said:
Oh, I've got no problem admitting that I was wrong about Kubiak getting hired and pretty quickly. I'll grant that. It is no secret that this coach's fraternity is a very small one in the NFL, and these coaches get recycled over and over.

Kubiak has never proven me wrong on his coaching though. Not even close. He proved me right for 8 or 9 years, hell I lost count. The Kubiak disciples that swore his greatness was amongst us all were blind. He'll crash and burn in Denver as well though, unless Manning stays and somehow doesn't get effected by aging factor again. Denver fans will soon see what Texans fans saw and witnessed for years. Once Kubiak is forced to go out and find a QB, and do things his way, him and Elway will clash. Elway hired Kubiak, because Elway wants someone he can control. Elway comes off like a mini Jerry Jones. I think he is a great GM as far as the aggressiveness for players though. He clearly wants to control things. He fired Fox after 4 straight years of the playoffs and a SB appearance. He even got them in the playoffs with Tebow. Fox's resume trumps anything Kubiak has ever touched. I think Elway couldn't help himself from being involved and with Kubiak it will be very easy.




The fact that you have to try and follow Kubiak to other teams to justify his failures here is about as pathetic as it gets. All your insults at frustrated fans for years and lectures about his great coaching coaching crashed and burned miserably. If you think you can say anything insulting about me on this subject with any validity, you're more delusional now than when you thought Kubiak would get us to a SB.
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Hey I was wrong about Tom Brady if it helps you sleep at night! LOL
 
thunderkyss said:
Peyton Manning won't be winning another Super Bowl. I love the guy, really. Best QB to ever play the game.

But he's not going to win a Super Bowl.


Just a gut feeling I have. I was worried last year, up until that first snap in the Super Bowl.
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In Kubes system are you still that positive? Manning running the WCO at the line is going to be nasty. Kubes offense gets guys open, easily. They shore up that OLine and maybe pick up another competent running back and they're ready to go.
 
thunderkyss said:
Peyton Manning won't be winning another Super Bowl. I love the guy, really. Best QB to ever play the game.

But he's not going to win a Super Bowl.


Just a gut feeling I have. I was worried last year, up until that first snap in the Super Bowl.
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I do share your concern, it looked like he was running on fumes at the end of the season - the tank may have finally run out. And you're probably right, mostly because it's easy to say someone won't win a Superbowl. Just getting there is a feat few quarterbacks achieve. The biggest part of Peyton's playoff struggles is that the team is built around him, too small and too reliant up Peyton doing all the work. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. That's why Eli and Ben each have more rings than arguably the greatest quarterback ever. However, under Kubiak I think Peyton's chances to succeed in the post season increase because there will be a MUCH better run game and a focus on Peyton being just being a quarterback instead of single handedly trying to carry the entire team. This approach should also get him to the end with less stress than he usually endures during the regular season because Kubiak wont have him throwing 40 times a game.
 
Uncle Rico said:
In Kubes system are you still that positive? Manning running the WCO at the line is going to be nasty. Kubes offense gets guys open, easily. They shore up that OLine and maybe pick up another competent running back and they're ready to go.
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I don't think it's a system thing with Peyton Manning.

You know how some people were concerned that Kubiak was calling plays instead of being the head coach, or that OB doesn't have anyone with the OC title?

I think the issue with Peyton is that he doesn't really have an OC. There might have always been someone on the sideline with the title, but he was basically the OC. & the game plan unfolds as he looks over the defense, scream Omaha, & takes the snap.

I think he's too close to the action, can't spot trends until it's too late. OR gets fooled too often when it counts the most.

It will help him to have someone he respects & will listen to... & maybe Kubiak is that guy. So there's a chance.

But the other thing is that he's Peyton Manning & I think it's a problem he & all the other "hero" QBs have to deal with. Something happens that isn't good & the rest of the team is like, "It's ok, Peyton's going to fix it for us." Where you end up with Peyton, or the hero QB, playing one man against 46.

If Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl, of course I'm going to have to rethink this "hypothesis" but right now, I don't think he's going to win. Not when you've got 45 guys helping Russell Wilson & maybe a handful trying to help Brady.
 
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