ChampionTexan
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And I just checked in to see what Alex Gibbs is up to these days, and I was surprised to see that Wikipedia lists him as a OL consultant with the Broncos. I wonder where that might fit into any future developments.
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Kubiak's Next Destination
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And I just checked in to see what Alex Gibbs is up to these days, and I was surprised to see that Wikipedia lists him as a OL consultant with the Broncos. I wonder where that might fit into any future developments.
Excellent point. That along reveals the perspective of Mann
I was skeptical at first, but Bob Allen straight up said that he saw a text from Peyton to Archie that he was interested in coming to the Texans.
At that point, my respect for Bob Allen removed the skepticism.
I've both heard and seen Bob Allen say this. Early on, he said it in a radio interview but without specific details. But then on his tv show with Spencer Allen, he straight up admitted everything. Here is more on it:
I do not have the video to Bob Allen talking about it on the tv show, but I certainly remember it clearly.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Earlier I had said that Kubiak wouldn't jump ship due to his sense of obligation after one year, but Denison sliding into the OC spot changes that.
Manning under Kubiak. Can you imagine Manning not calling audibles or barking orders at the line? This would be very interesting.
Manning under Kubiak. Can you imagine Manning not calling audibles or barking orders at the line? This would be very interesting.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Someone would have to give. Either Manning would have to give up offensive control at the line of scrimmage or Kubiak would have to be less controlling with the system.
Both ultimately want to win, so I'm sure they could find common ground. But it would be interesting to see where that common ground is.
Both ultimately want to win, so I'm sure they could find common ground. But it would be interesting to see where that common ground is.
No such thing.
If they wanted Manning, they'd have found a way to make it work. They'd have cut 36 players if they had to, did whatever restructuring they had to & fielded a team with Undrafted & Street FAs.
Maybe they couldn't realistically expect to win the Super Bowl after making such moves, but if they wanted Peyton Manning, they'd have found a way to make it happen.
And honestly, I think this is why they didn't want to pull the trigger. they would have to cut players, restructure, trade players, etc. to be able to pay Manning. I think they realized that would be too much to give up without having a decent team to reach the Super Bowl.
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Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
I'm getting the impression this has become an unexpected dance for Elway with Gase not getting any HC love from other teams.
He was, we knew back then, it's common knowledge, salary cap implications were tremendous, it's water wayyyy under the bridge.
Party like it's 1998.
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Would Peyton be running those boot-action passes? Can't really see him rolling out, and that's a key cog imo.
Getting the stretch ZBS back to altitude would magnify that advantage.
ChampionTexan
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The heck with that, hire Wade as DC, and party like it's 1991!
Scooter
Funky
a better athlete would be ideal, but schaub was just about the slowest guy in football his last couple years here and still made it work. peyton's not as slow as he looks, and with his great play-action i imagine he could sell quite a few bootlegs. i have actually seen peyton bootleg a rushing touchdown, so anything is possible lol.
infantrycak
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I agree with that. The boot isn't about foot speed.
Ditto
But Peyton is going to want to run some version of the only offense he has only known. It will come down to Gary adjusting his system a bit. Will he be willing to do that? History is questionable at best. For instance Peyton isn't going to be a part of an offense that wont let him audible.
I hope Gary is willing to change. Peyton is still good enough to get a ring. Hopefully Elway can help show him the way for a vet to get a ring later in his career. Bottom line is Peyton needs to change some too if he wants another ring.
It just doesn't seem like a good match to me. But hey, what do I know.
Scooter
Funky
i think that's part of what makes the situation so ideal despite their differences - between elway, kubiak and manning that's 38(ish) years of quarterbacking experience. i'm sure they could find a middle ground that focuses on the championship more than their egos. elway had to let a lot of his ego fade to get a ring, which he did with kubiak calling the plays and leaning on terrell davis. if manning could let the team carry some of that post-season load, leaning more on a traditional running game but with his necessary freedoms, he might have enough juice to get one more shot.
i agree manning could use kubiak as much as kubiak could use manning. manning's free form to his detriment and puts too much on himself, kubiak's rigidity is legendary and puts too much on the system. kubiak produces stars at each part of the offense, as does manning but in opposite ways. oil and water or peanut butter and jelly? either way it would be a lot of fun for fans, especially of the X and O variety to see.
i agree manning could use kubiak as much as kubiak could use manning. manning's free form to his detriment and puts too much on himself, kubiak's rigidity is legendary and puts too much on the system. kubiak produces stars at each part of the offense, as does manning but in opposite ways. oil and water or peanut butter and jelly? either way it would be a lot of fun for fans, especially of the X and O variety to see.
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Texecutioner
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This is comical as usual on your Kubiak posts. Kubiak has never done squat compared to any Manning offense. Why would Manning want to divert to a guy that controls his QB's, doesn't like audibles, and doesn't like to adjust or adapt throughout a game? Manning would want no part of that. He'd maybe deal with him as a coach if he had to, but Kubiak had never demonstrated any IQ anywhere close to what Manning sees on the field. Hell, its hilarious just thinking about how much more Meaning knows and sees on the field compar d to Kubiak.
Scooter
Funky
i took the bait and allowed my curiosity to win since i knew this post would be directed towards me. it's too dumb to respond to, so back to ignore you go.
This made me LOL ... and as everyone that follows the Texans knows, he will be the first to tell you that which is occasionally followed by the admitting that he doesn't have the answers.
Poor Denver fan if he indeed ends up there.
I don't understand why the defeated attitude already with Kubiak.
People said the same things when he went to Baltimore. Saying he wasn't going to be successful there because of his outdated offense. Sure looked more efficient than ours. Not saying I didn't like OB's offense, but Kubiak's offense did better there than our offense with OB.
I'm not saying Kubiak will win a Super Bowl over at Denver, but to say he will fail is pretty premature considering there are other head coaches who started out rough with their first head coaching gig to later turn it around.
He will fail if he starts exactly like he did here, with not hiring a good DC, not allowing a good OC to call the plays when needed, and trusting his coordinators so he can focus on the game. If those things don't happen early, then I can see him failing again.
People said the same things when he went to Baltimore. Saying he wasn't going to be successful there because of his outdated offense. Sure looked more efficient than ours. Not saying I didn't like OB's offense, but Kubiak's offense did better there than our offense with OB.
I'm not saying Kubiak will win a Super Bowl over at Denver, but to say he will fail is pretty premature considering there are other head coaches who started out rough with their first head coaching gig to later turn it around.
He will fail if he starts exactly like he did here, with not hiring a good DC, not allowing a good OC to call the plays when needed, and trusting his coordinators so he can focus on the game. If those things don't happen early, then I can see him failing again.
A lot of guys are solid coordinators but bad head coaches. I never thought he would fail going back as a OC however I don't think he has the personality to be a good HC. He's soft and can't even bear to watch crucial field goals. That always spoke volumes to me and I am sure to his players too.
Also admitting that you don't have the answers on a live radio show is something you NEVER want to hear your HC say.
Didn't some Texans player talk about the difference in the culture between Kubiak and BOB?
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Yeah, don't get me wrong. I prefer OB and wouldn't want him back, lol, but if he doesn't change the things that made him unsuccessful here, like hiring great coordinators off the bat, managing the clock, calling the correct challenges, etc, then I can see him failing there as well.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Despite what some Kubiak knob bobbers believe I do wish Kubiak all the bestin his career and his health (except when he coaches against Houston). He's a good man and I wish his tenure here had been more successful. He is not the only one responsible for the short comings of this team during this stretch because Rick Smith is just as average if not worse.
Assuming he lands the Denver HC maybe he'll do better this time around. Good look coach.
Assuming he lands the Denver HC maybe he'll do better this time around. Good look coach.
yep. That was my first thought when I read that Kubiak is going to chat with Elway. I would not be shocked at all if Kubiak is Denver's HC by Monday.
I cannot say if it is a good fit or not, but it will certainly be interesting to watch it all unfold.
infantrycak
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Unless Elway is lying and trying to drive Manning out of town and the story of Manning wanting to come to the Texans is wrong then Manning clearly disagrees with your assessment - twice, both before and after 2-14.
I'm starting to see a scenario where Kubiak ends up without a job in this all-together.
ChampionTexan
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I'm not.
The Ravens are not firing him for interviewing with the Broncos.
He will remain their OC if he does not become a HC.
They are just doing due diligence in case they need to be looking for an OC next week.
handswarmer
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If he leaves , I'll wish him luck and thank him for all his hard work.
I he stays, I'll be happy as a pig in chit
I he stays, I'll be happy as a pig in chit
He may take the job, but hopefully Kyle Shanahan comes in and keeps on improving the offense even more.
JCTexan
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Would Kyle Shanahan choose Baltimore over joining Kubiak in Denver? He's had success working with Kubiak in the past.
Yeah, my gut feeling is saying he's joining Kubiak. But he could take over as OC to a better team than the Browns for a chance at a ring. The system is already in place, so he doesn't have to re-install anything new, except maybe some of his ideas.
Plus most of the players have gone through one year in the system. That's also a plus.
Honestly, I didn't even know he was there. lol
ChampionTexan
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There are rumors (or to be more accurate speculation) that have him following Kubiak to Denver, and others that have him stepping into the OC role in Baltimore.
It may depend on who Gary's first choice for OC would be if the Denver job is offered and accepted.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I'm guessing he's the contingency plan if Kubiak leaves. Dennison worked with Flaco all year so that would help the transition next year. This is just me speculating of course.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I think one of them goes to Denver to be the OC. I think the Shannahan history in Denver makes it so that Kyle "comes home". Plus after Kubiak said he wasn't leaving Baltimore, I don't see him as trying to screw the Ravens over by asking Dennison to come back too. Either way which ever does not go to Denver would be the OC here.
ChampionTexan
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And Marrone cancelled his interview pending what happens with Kubiak.
infantrycak
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The Pencil Neck
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Wow. That sounds a bit different than what most people around here would expect out of Kubiak.
Texecutioner
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I could hear Dressen say that for 6 months every day, and I'd still nod my head. Maybe he felt that way, but the rest of the team didn't play like it consistently. That was always a major problem that Kubiak teams had. Whether his biggest supporters want to argue against that or not is foolishness at this point. That criticism never left Reliant while he was here. It only got worse. I think most players in general liked Kubiak, because he is a player's coach. Most players love Rex Ryan as well because he is a player's coach as well. That doesn't mean that Rex doesn't have tons of flaws just like Kubiak did because his players liked him personally. No way I'd buy that Kubiak's players all consistently wanted to take down walls for him though. I saw the complete opposite most of the time where they looked unprepared and lacked that desire and intensity they needed especially in prime time games where they needed to make that big statement around the league.
All of this makes me wonder why Gary's teams failed when the bright lights came on. They froze up on national TV games. That much isn't debatable.
My theory is that they just choked from trying to shine too much