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Kubiak's Next Destination

steelbtexan said:
If by exciting you mean making me want to pull my hair out by having his offense go into a cocoon inthe 2nd half, then we completely agree.

But hey, Gary will have his new kids battling and playing their hearts out every week. Of course when they lose because of clock mismanagement/wrong use of timeouts etc.... it will be on him.
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I'm not sure what team you were watching, but I watched a high powered offense play in quite a few shootouts and exciting games decided late in the 4th quarter or overtime, and often on the final play. There was plenty of disappointment over the outcome, but it was really fun to watch.
 
Texecutioner said:
:spit: You said that in here for years.

Gary was awful at getting the most out of his QB's. He handicapped Schaub practically the entire time he was here. Wouldn't let him audible or run a fast paced no huddle offense to change up the pace regularly. He also refused to believe that Schaub was in a major decline. Gary was awful at dealing with his QB's. Don't forget at how you and so many others thought that Gary was going to turn Yates of all people into something special either. I listened to that silliness for about two years in here. Don't think for a second that I forgot about all of those dreams that so many were flaunting around here about Kubiak and Yates. I said this every year he was here, and I was not ever proven wrong. Even in Schaub's best years and when this offense was at it's peak, it always hit a wall or found some sort of epic failure in big losses that reminded people of Gary's lack of creativity. The trust you guys put in Kubiak time after time was mind boggling. And even after a 2-14 season you guys are still stroking this guy who couldn't even watch the end of games.

Hey if Gary can somehow sell his awful strategy to some other naive owner again, then more power to him but again I really hope that he lands in this division so the Texans have him twice a year. That will be one franchise I will never take seriously or consider a threat which would be great to have in this division. The Patriots and their fans never quivered even a bit at the thought of facing the Texans in their season of their best record and then once they had to play them in the playoffs again, no one worried about the Texans over there and that was because of who our coach was and the leadership this team lacked. The Texans were "always" known for lacking a "killer instinct" and being soft under Kubiak. That stigma never left the Texans even last season.

All that is about to change now though. He is gone and O'Brien is going to give this team a much stronger attitude and backbone.
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Sometimes it is hard to differentiate between good man and a good HC. I know I always hoped Gary would change because I liked his classy ways. Did I expect Gary to change not really.

I will be the same way with BOB.
 
Goatcheese said:
I'm not sure what team you were watching, but I watched a high powered offense play in quite a few shootouts and exciting games decided late in the 4th quarter or overtime, and often on the final play. There was plenty of disappointment over the outcome, but it was really fun to watch.
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Tell me more about the last 6 games of last season?

They were hardly an offensive juggernaut this season.

At times the offense was quite offensive though.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me more about the last 6 games of last season?

They were hardly an offensive juggernaut this season.

At times the offense was quite offensive though.
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So out of 7 years, you're going to pout over 6 games? :toropalm:

Yeah, most of this season sucked, but even it had some fun games.

If you're only happy and enjoying football when your team goes 19-0 with an average margin of victory over 20, you're going to have a really unhappy time watching professional sports.
 
Goatcheese said:
So out of 7 years, you're going to pout over 6 games? :toropalm:

Yeah, most of this season sucked, but even it had some fun games.

If you're only happy and enjoying football when your team goes 19-0 with an average margin of victory over 20, you're going to have a really unhappy time watching professional sports.
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Whatever,

You said that the offense has been really exciting, I point out why I disagree in addition to the infamous 2010 season and this is the best you can come up with? Typical response of the former Gary sunshine club.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sometimes it is hard to differentiate between good man and a good HC. I know I always hoped Gary would change because I liked his classy ways. Did I expect Gary to change not really.

I will be the same way with BOB.
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Sometimes its difficult to differentiate between fact and assumptions .... and Tex definitely makes a lot of assumptions.
 
Playoffs said:
Dave Birkett ‏@davebirkett

One other name to watch with the Lions opening: Gary Kubiak
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For the sake of his health, I would hope that he would take the next season off. When you have a stroke, your body's trying to tell you something.

I don't think he got the message though. Otherwise he would have taken the rest of the season off.
 
Mr. White said:
For the sake of his health, I would hope that he would take the next season off. When you have a stroke, your body's trying to tell you something.

I don't think he got the message though. Otherwise he would have taken the rest of the season off.
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I'd say that when you have a stroke, your body has already given up talking to you, because you don't listen (I have no right to judge, though).
 
TheMatrix31 said:
That would be a good destination for him.
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No, it wouldn't. I know that area. The fans and the media would EAT HIM ALIVE. His Southern Opie act would not work.

And: the Lions GM is not messing around. He's not going to put up with nonsense, either.

Gary needs to set his ego aside, take some time off, and rest.


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There's so much hate on this board. Let the man do his thing, you wouldn't do no different. He tried his best, it didn't work. He's going to try again.

Big Whoop.
 
houstonspartan said:
No, it wouldn't. I know that area. The fans and the media would EAT HIM ALIVE. His Southern Opie act would not work.

And: the Lions GM is not messing around. He's not going to put up with nonsense, either.

Gary needs to set his ego aside, take some time off, and rest.


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What ego? Dude never gives off more than a mouse fart let alone shown some raging hard-on of an ego.
 
Whatever Kubiak does is up to him, but I would rather him take some time off for health reasons before going full blast into another HC position.
 
Gary would be the perfect tutor for Stafford.

With a GM to reign him in I actually think Gary would do a pretty good job.
 
I think Detroit is a good make-or-break place for Kubiak to try his Head Coaching hand again. He'll have some talent to work with.

If it doesn't work out, he'll be an OC again.
 
thunderkyss said:
There's so much hate on this board. Let the man do his thing, you wouldn't do no different. He tried his best, it didn't work. He's going to try again.

Big Whoop.
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I wish the guy nothing but the best in life. I was merely pointing out that the Lions are on the cusp of something, and need a leader to get them there. Gary isn't that guy at this point. There are lot of better options out there for that team.


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Hope he lands it. Good guy. Hope he surrounds himself with good coaches if he does. Especially defense
 
Playoffs said:
Adam Schefter @adamschefter
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I like the Lions team, so I don't want to see Gary end up there at all. They have a ton of talent on that team and that is a great destination to HC at right now. I really hope they don't set themselves back another 4+ years with Kubiak.

I know that people around here really want to see Gary Kubiak get another HC gig, but I'd think that you guys would want to see him end up in Tennessee or Jacksonville. If Gary can get this job in Miami, that could set him up to take the next HC job in Jacksonville in two years. I think that the Titans have seen enough of Gary to know better than going that direction.
 
Mr. White said:
For the sake of his health, I would hope that he would take the next season off. When you have a stroke, your body's trying to tell you something.

I don't think he got the message though. Otherwise he would have taken the rest of the season off.
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Enlighten me please. I had one of these mini-strokes and not sure what lesson I was supposed to have learned.
 
EllisUnit said:
I'm sorry folks but with our luck kubiak will go to the bucs, they will go undefeated next year and go on to win 4 straight superbowls, while we muster a total of 12 wins in that 4 year span.

Do i think this will happen ? NO but with the luck we have had of recent with letting players go that sucks Holiday, J. Jones, Ryans (due to injury) etc.... yeah we have that kind of luck
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you conveniently forgot everybody whose careers fell off a cliff when we let them go like dunta, briesel, winston, rosenfels, carr, diles, cody, walter, dreessen, mario been the same as when he washere etc
 
Eric Winston was/still is on 610AM just now with The General & crew and he just laughed about the idea Kubiak was a players coach and didn't hold players responsible...

--He said Kubiak chewed his azz out a number of times during games,
--He said he and other ex-Texans agreed that Kubiak's post game film review meetings were the worst any had experienced,
--"I've never wanted to "get small/hide" more than when Gary targeted you in those meetings.
--"Last year was probably just a bad year. Coaches didn't just get dumb. Maybe the message just gets a little stale -- he was here 8 years."

Fwiw, water under the bridge and all, but it's a different narrative than is being played amongst the fans.
 
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Eric Winston was/still is on 610AM just now with The General & crew and he just laughed about the idea Kubiak was a players coach and didn't hold players responsible...

--He said Kubiak chewed his azz out a number of times during games,
--He said he and other ex-Texans agreed that Kubiak's post game film review meetings were the worst any had experienced,
--"I've never wanted to "get small/hide" more than when Gary targeted you in those meetings.
--"Last year was probably just a bad year. Coaches didn't just get dumb. Making the message just gets a little stale -- he was here 8 years."

Fwiw, water under the bridge and all, but it's a different narrative than is being played amongst the fans.
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I gave up trying to tell people Kubiak in a press conference was not Kubiak behind the scenes years ago.
 
infantrycak said:
I gave up trying to tell people Kubiak in a press conference was not Kubiak behind the scenes years ago.
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I think demeanor gets overplayed by fans.

I'm sure you know this, but I've seen a couple of NFL Films documentaries on Tom Landry (most recently on "A Football Life").

Dude was obviously not a screamer or table pounder, but every single player said the same thing: you NEVER wanted to get "the look" from Landry. They all said he had a glance, sometimes a stare, that just bore a hole through their souls and they wanted to crawl under rocks to hide from it.

Accountability can come in many shapes and forms, and I have never really bought into the narrative that Kubiak was soft on players. He gives that vibe to the general public, but like said above, that's just a presentation.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think demeanor gets overplayed by fans.
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No. "We" think the only way to hold someone accountable is to fire him. Throw the baby out with the bath water kind of thing. The Texans are so hush-hush on everything that we never know when they're fined or disciplined, or why Brandon Harris can't get on the field, or why Ben Tate stayed in the dog house.

But this... about Kubiak has been out there for a long, long time. In year one we heard about him making David Carr cry. Every player who's been asked the question on the radio said the same thing. Kubiak knows how to cut you... deep & they all felt accountable. They continued to say the same thing when they became "ex-players" ND Kalu said it all the time even though Greg Koch (who's never had any personal experience with Kubiak whatsoever) would spout off with the no accountability rant.

At the same time, I think Kubiak took it to the extreme. He wanted Frank Bush, couldn't get him. He was stuck with Richard Smith. Richard Smith wasn't cutting it. He hires Frank Bush... to work for Richard Smith. If he had made up his mind that Smith needed help, he should have just cut bait & moved on, or at the very least, demote Smith & have him work for Bush. I mean what incentive would Frank Bush have to help Richard Smith to succeed? In fact, he would have every reason to make sure Smith did not.
 
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Eric Winston was/still is on 610AM just now with The General & crew and he just laughed about the idea Kubiak was a players coach and didn't hold players responsible...

--He said Kubiak chewed his azz out a number of times during games,
--He said he and other ex-Texans agreed that Kubiak's post game film review meetings were the worst any had experienced,
--"I've never wanted to "get small/hide" more than when Gary targeted you in those meetings.
--"Last year was probably just a bad year. Coaches didn't just get dumb. Maybe the message just gets a little stale -- he was here 8 years."

Fwiw, water under the bridge and all, but it's a different narrative than is being played amongst the fans.
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What the hell do we, fans, know? Comparatively, NOTHING!!! I chuckle every time I read someone on this board act like they knew what conversations were held between people in the inner circle, when in fact they just deduced it from some article they read somewhere. Or people hating on Schaub wearing his helmet on the sideline during the games when Keenum was playing, when most likely he was just wearing it so he could hear the play calls.

This board is my cocaine, and I can't get away from it, but it drives me nuts sometimes.
 
Playoffs said:
Eric Winston was/still is on 610AM just now with The General & crew and he just laughed about the idea Kubiak was a players coach and didn't hold players responsible...

--He said Kubiak chewed his azz out a number of times during games,
--He said he and other ex-Texans agreed that Kubiak's post game film review meetings were the worst any had experienced,
--"I've never wanted to "get small/hide" more than when Gary targeted you in those meetings.
--"Last year was probably just a bad year. Coaches didn't just get dumb. Maybe the message just gets a little stale -- he was here 8 years."

Fwiw, water under the bridge and all, but it's a different narrative than is being played amongst the fans.
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Well, Kubaik's brand of "accountability" led to...

- Constantly getting embarrassed by rookie QB's.

- Frequent embarrassment in big, prime time games.

- A mysterious inability to win games after bye weeks.

- frequent Red Zone disasters.

- Kickers and coaches keeping their jobs even after costing us numerous games.

- A QB disaster (from the so-called "QB guru")

- An inability to overtake a weak division and dominate.

Yeah, I'll pass on Kubiak's "accountability."



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houstonspartan said:
Well, Kubaik's brand of "accountability" led to...

- Constantly getting embarrassed by rookie QB's.

- Frequent embarrassment in big, prime time games.

- A mysterious inability to win games after bye weeks.

- frequent Red Zone disasters.

- Kickers and coaches keeping their jobs even after costing us numerous games.

- A QB disaster (from the so-called "QB guru")

- An inability to overtake a weak division and dominate.

Yeah, I'll pass on Kubiak's "accountability."



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Perhaps the problem wasn't his accountability.
 
Ewww, Kubes up to replace Caldwell with Ravens...?

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider
Gary Kubiak is another name to keep in mind. Well-respected by Ravens, around the league
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Whoa...

Would think Kub's would want some time off...

But my question is was Kubiak a good play caller, regardless of being the Head Coach, did he call a good game?

I went back and watched a lot of Texans games, want you fans opinions
 
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