Kubiak--State of the Texans 8/28/06

[thunderkyss]

...you're missing a 'major' point---DRs say DD has to play with pain but DD says he won't---so what happens now? IR for a year?...same scenario...nothing changes until DD alters his mindset. How DD played his 1st 3 yrs is a non-issue, as is the play of RB's in pre-season---will DD play with pain?

Major point, DD will be playing come Sept10.

 

[tsip]

Major point, DD will be playing come Sept10.

"We've got a tough decision to make with that third guy," Kubiak said. "For (Davis) to miss all this time, it's not like all of a sudden he's going to jump up there and play."

 

[Coach C.]

Kubiak, DD, his agent, and the doctors will meet Thursday or Friday and discuss what is best for DD and the team. He could go on PUP or he could end up on the IR. He will be with the team in some compacity so dont get all up in arms. This comes from Kubiak on the Texans Website.

 

[tsip]

Kubiak, DD, his agent, and the doctors will meet Thursday or Friday and discuss what is best for DD and the team. He could go on PUP or he could end up on the IR. He will be with the team in some compacity so dont get all up in arms. This comes from Kubiak on the Texans Website.

...can't go on PUP because he passed physical

 

[Coach C.]

He can go to the PUP if the doctors re evaluate his knee. Hence why they are meeting again. If the doctors determine they can put the foam to increase padding within the knee then they will and he can be placed back on PUP. Personally I think he is either going to be able to play around the 3rd game or he will be on IR like Mork said earlier in Training Camp.

 

[thunderkyss]

Kubiak, DD, his agent, and the doctors will meet Thursday or Friday and discuss what is best for DD and the team. He could go on PUP or he could end up on the IR. He will be with the team in some compacity so dont get all up in arms. This comes from Kubiak on the Texans Website.

And I'm being optomistic about the meeting. I've got my fingers crossed, my rabbit's foot in my pocket, a horse shoe in my bag, I've dumped a thousand pennies in the wishing well, and I wrote a letter to Santa.

 

[texan279]

We've seen two rookie Runningbacks play well in the Preseason... Vernand morency is just a back-up(you remember that argument don't you).

How many times have you seen guys in preseason show up to win a roster spot, but come the regular season when the big boys hit for real, & play at 100% on every down, how many times, can those same guys not hit the holes they hit in the preseason.

DD has done it in the NFL between September & December for this team, with McKinney, Weary, Pitts, Wand & Wiegart in front of him, David Behind him, and Aj split wide to the right. He's done it against Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indianappolis, Baltimore. He's done it on gameday, when it counts.

Ask anybody about the Texans in 2005, and what will they say?? "They're going to get David Carr killed, but at least they've got a running game."

Our rushing offense was ranked 15th in '05, we had an average rushing offense. Davis only accounted for half of our total rushing yards in '05 so it's not like we would not have a running game without him. And yeah, DD has done it against the teams you mentioned, 2 100+ yard games against Tennessee in '05 (ranked 22nd against the run in '05), 1 100+ yard game against Baltimore in '05 (ranked 9th against the run in '05), 1 100+ yard game against Tennessee in '04 (ranked 18th against the rush in '04), one 100+ yard game against Indy in '04 (ranked 24th against the run in '04). And you failed to mention the games when DD hasn't "done it on gameday", like the games where he averaged less than 3 yards per carry. And didn't Morency and Lundy play some time against 1st team defenses? Or the "big boys"? Morency has already almost matched Davis' career long run in 24 carries this preseason and has already matched Davis' TD total from last season with 2 TD's this preseason in 24 carries, all that from just a "backup".

 

[HOU-TEX]

And I'm being optomistic about the meeting. I've got my fingers crossed, my rabbit's foot in my pocket, a horse shoe in my bag, I've dumped a thousand pennies in the wishing well, and I wrote a letter to Santa.

Optomistic or Wishful thinking?

Either way, he's done for at least half the season if not the whole season. Now we have some fellas that came to play and are performing well. Let's get it on!!

 

[thunderkyss]

And didn't Morency and Lundy play some time against 1st team defenses? Or the "big boys"? Morency has already almost matched Davis' career long run in 24 carries this preseason and has already matched Davis' TD total from last season with 2 TD's this preseason in 24 carries, all that from just a "backup".

try to read the whole post...... my point was the preseason, even game three isn't the same as a regular season game. Just because someone did this or that in the preseason, is no indication that they will do it in the regular season.

Lundy & Morency are trying to win the starting job. Once one of them get's the start, how do we know they'll continue to give 110% once they have the starting job??

Veteran starters on the defense may not be giving 100%. They know they have a job, why risk a preseason injury??

IT's the preseason.

 

[thunderkyss]

Optomistic or Wishful thinking?

Either way, he's done for at least half the season if not the whole season. Now we have some fellas that came to play and are performing well. Let's get it on!!

Well, I'm hoping our QB gets his head out his a55, what's the difference??

 

[texan279]

try to read the whole post...... my point was the preseason, even game three isn't the same as a regular season game. Just because someone did this or that in the preseason, is no indication that they will do it in the regular season.

Lundy & Morency are trying to win the starting job. Once one of them get's the start, how do we know they'll continue to give 110% once they have the starting job??

Veteran starters on the defense may not be giving 100%. They know they have a job, why risk a preseason injury??

IT's the preseason.

That was my point. It is the preseason, and guys are fighting for jobs, not just Morency and Lundy, but the defenders they are going up against as well, so more than likely most if not all players on the field are giving it 110%. It's not like Morency and Lundy are going up against NFLE guys. By the way, everytime you reply to one of my posts, you don't have to start your post with your little quips. You should relax and try not to take things so personally.

 

[thunderkyss]

That was my point. It is the preseason, and guys are fighting for jobs, not just Morency and Lundy, but the defenders they are going up against as well, so more than likely most if not all players on the field are giving it 110%. It's not like Morency and Lundy are going up against NFLE guys. By the way, everytime you reply to one of my posts, you don't have to start your post with your little quips. You should relax and try not to take things so personally.

The point is every preseason, there is always someone who looks like the next best thing.... come the regular season, they don't show up.

DD has been there for us during the regular season.

& my little quips are to point out that you seem to only read parts of my post, and ignore other parts.... let's assume.... defensive starters aren't playing 100%... etc....

 

[real]

Veteran starters on the defense may not be giving 100%. They know they have a job, why risk a preseason injury??

Thats is when you get hurt...Not going full speed...But C'mon TKyss....What defender is actually going to be on the field and not go all out every play...it doesn't make sense...thats like a running back not going full speed...how you ask ? because just like a running back, defenders have someone trying to knock the hell out of them every play...And I know everyone on the Texans have given it there all every game this pre-season...So if you are suggesting that We couldn't score a point on Denvers starting defense, or St. Louis' defense and they weren't even going full speed, that would make your prediction of 13-3 seem just ridiculous...

 

[texan279]

The point is every preseason, there is always someone who looks like the next best thing.... come the regular season, they don't show up.

DD has been there for us during the regular season.

& my little quips are to point out that you seem to only read parts of my post, and ignore other parts.... let's assume.... defensive starters aren't playing 100%... etc....

Why assume anything? Why not just discuss the facts?

 

[thunderkyss]

Why assume anything? Why not just discuss the facts?

then that should have been your first response.

 

[GP]

You're a Davis homer. I have seen you try to compare him to elite backs in the NFL, I have seen you call him "special" several times. Truth is Davis is a serviceable back and it's not like the team could not go on without him if he goes on IR or has to sit awhile. We have already seen two other backs step up this preseason who would be able to fill DD's shoes and then some based on what we have seen so far. I guess I just look at things realistically since the guy has been dealing with this knee for almost 9 months now and you seem to think he will magically be ready to go in two weeks...

Over the course of the past few years, only three (or four) RBs are better than him. NFL Network or ESPN (can't remember which) showed this on a recent show, showed that Domanick Davis is much more than just an average running back as you are claiming.

Does it mean we cannot survive without him? Nope. But it means that he IS worth the risk.

There are hundreds of other run-of-the-mill players in the NFL that would not be worth the risk of placing on I.R. if necessary to keep them on a team's roster. But IMO, DD is a guy that you don't just cut loose to free up one roster spot. He gets at least the benefit of doubt in my book, and IMO deserves the chance to work it out on his own.

It's like someone said: We kept Joppru for 18 years without any promise of him coming back. To just cut DD loose over a lingering knee problem is not in the works for a team spearheaded by Bob McNair.

A lot of this "Cut him loose" talk by some of you guys is nothing more than macho-man syndrome (In my most humble opinion). You want to look like you're capable of being the Grim Reaper Ice-Water-In-The-Veins NFL Owner who can make the tough call for the good of the team. We get it, OK? You care about winning, and to hell with anyone that cannot pull their weight. Geez, I'd like to be stuck on a deserted island with limited supplies with all you "Cut him loose" guys...I'd have a knife in my back and dumped over a cliff within the hour. You got this going for you: You'd make a great player on CBS' "Survivor" show.

Go Texans! And that includes Domanick Davis............

 

[infantrycak]

Over the course of the past few years, only three (or four) RBs are better than him. NFL Network or ESPN (can't remember which) showed this on a recent show, showed that Domanick Davis is much more than just an average running back as you are claiming.

It was on NFLNetwork and what they said was he was one of five RB's who had accumulated more than 2500 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving over the last three years. The point they were making was he was a productive duel threat not that he was better than guys not on the list like Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Clinton Portis, etc.

 

[thunderkyss]

Over the course of the past few years, only three (or four) RBs are better than him. NFL Network or ESPN (can't remember which) showed this on a recent show, showed that Domanick Davis is much more than just an average running back as you are claiming.

Does it mean we cannot survive without him? Nope. But it means that he IS worth the risk.

There are hundreds of other run-of-the-mill players in the NFL that would not be worth the risk of placing on I.R. if necessary to keep them on a team's roster. But IMO, DD is a guy that you don't just cut loose to free up one roster spot. He gets at least the benefit of doubt in my book, and IMO deserves the chance to work it out on his own.

It's like someone said: We kept Joppru for 18 years without any promise of him coming back. To just cut DD loose over a lingering knee problem is not in the works for a team spearheaded by Bob McNair.

A lot of this "Cut him loose" talk by some of you guys is nothing more than macho-man syndrome (In my most humble opinion). You want to look like you're capable of being the Grim Reaper Ice-Water-In-The-Veins NFL Owner who can make the tough call for the good of the team. We get it, OK? You care about winning, and to hell with anyone that cannot pull their weight. Geez, I'd like to be stuck on a deserted island with limited supplies with all you "Cut him loose" guys...I'd have a knife in my back and dumped over a cliff within the hour. You got this going for you: You'd make a great player on CBS' "Survivor" show.

Go Texans! And that includes Domanick Davis............

I'm sorry GP, but I've given out too much rep in the last 24 hours. but as soon as I can start handing it out again, you're first on my list.

 

[texan279]

Over the course of the past few years, only three (or four) RBs are better than him. NFL Network or ESPN (can't remember which) showed this on a recent show, showed that Domanick Davis is much more than just an average running back as you are claiming.

Does it mean we cannot survive without him? Nope. But it means that he IS worth the risk.

There are hundreds of other run-of-the-mill players in the NFL that would not be worth the risk of placing on I.R. if necessary to keep them on a team's roster. But IMO, DD is a guy that you don't just cut loose to free up one roster spot. He gets at least the benefit of doubt in my book, and IMO deserves the chance to work it out on his own.

It's like someone said: We kept Joppru for 18 years without any promise of him coming back. To just cut DD loose over a lingering knee problem is not in the works for a team spearheaded by Bob McNair.

A lot of this "Cut him loose" talk by some of you guys is nothing more than macho-man syndrome (In my most humble opinion). You want to look like you're capable of being the Grim Reaper Ice-Water-In-The-Veins NFL Owner who can make the tough call for the good of the team. We get it, OK? You care about winning, and to hell with anyone that cannot pull their weight. Geez, I'd like to be stuck on a deserted island with limited supplies with all you "Cut him loose" guys...I'd have a knife in my back and dumped over a cliff within the hour. You got this going for you: You'd make a great player on CBS' "Survivor" show.

Go Texans! And that includes Domanick Davis............

So over the course of the last few years you are saying out of these backs listed, you would take Davis over eight or nine out of the twelve of them listed?

Shaun Alexander
Tiki Barber
Larry Johnson
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James
LaDanian Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

Davis is a good back who lacks speed and has trouble picking up blocks, but he is not in the class of the backs I listed.

 

[Vinny]

It was on NFLNetwork and what they said was he was one of five RB's who had accumulated more than 2500 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving over the last three years. The point they were making was he was a productive duel threat not that he was better than guys not on the list like Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Clinton Portis, etc.

bingo

 

[thunderkyss]

So over the course of the last few years you are saying out of these backs listed, you would take Davis over eight or nine out of the twelve of them listed?

Shaun Alexander
Tiki Barber
Larry Johnson
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James
LaDanian Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

Davis is a good back who lacks speed and has trouble picking up blocks, but he is not in the class of the backs I listed.

I'd take Davis over everyone of those guys except LT & LJ. Easy.
For everyone of those guys you could put the words......... "arguably the best offensive line" behind their names for the years that they produced. Can't put those words behind DDs name for any year he has toted the rock in H-Town....... more like "the worst offensive line period"


The exact stat..... show.... GP was talking about said over the last three years.

 

[texan279]

It was on NFLNetwork and what they said was he was one of five RB's who had accumulated more than 2500 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving over the last three years. The point they were making was he was a productive duel threat not that he was better than guys not on the list like Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Clinton Portis, etc.

Thank you for clarifying since I did not see the program.

 

[texan279]

I'd take Davis over everyone of those guys except LT & LJ. Easy.

LMAO. You would seriously take Davis over all of these guys?

Shaun Alexander
Tiki Barber
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James
Rudi Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

 

[GP]

So over the course of the last few years you are saying out of these backs listed, you would take Davis over eight or nine out of the twelve of them listed?

Shaun Alexander
Tiki Barber
Larry Johnson
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James
LaDanian Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

Davis is a good back who lacks speed and has trouble picking up blocks, but he is not in the class of the backs I listed.

The last five on your list are worse than DD IMO. Rudi and DD are so comparable, I think they are related. The first six on yor list are better than DD. And those six backs are on six teams, and that means IMO that DD is better than the remaining 24 backs on the remaining 24 teams.

Is that not good enough for you? Is that not worth sitting out a year? I mean, sometimes I think that we are so hardcore about every football season that we can't see past the current season, as if there might not be NFL to play or watch next year so we better get the guy on the field or cut him loose because this is the last year of football. Come on man, get some perspective on this: We keep a TE for eons who never even played a game, but was always well-liked and held in esteem for his talent level by Texans personnel...and you don't want to give DD a chance to rehab for one year? (sigh)

 

[HOU-TEX]

I'd take Davis over everyone of those guys except LT & LJ. Easy.
For everyone of those guys you could put the words......... "arguably the best offensive line" behind their names for the years that they produced. Can't put those words behind DDs name for any year he has toted the rock in H-Town....... more like "the worst offensive line period"


The exact stat..... show.... GP was talking about said over the last three years.

You should go on the comedy tour.

 

[texan279]

I'd take Davis over everyone of those guys except LT & LJ. Easy.
For everyone of those guys you could put the words......... "arguably the best offensive line" behind their names for the years that they produced. Can't put those words behind DDs name for any year he has toted the rock in H-Town....... more like "the worst offensive line period"


The exact stat..... show.... GP was talking about said over the last three years.

I am not getting into a stats argument over this. Anyone who has watched football in the last 3 years knows what kind of backs these guys are that I listed. Now you are saying we have the worst offensive line in the NFL but earlier in another thread you talked about how good our running game was last season. Flip flopping again to try and prove your points.

 

[thunderkyss]

LMAO. You would seriously take Davis over all of these guys?

Shaun Alexander
Tiki Barber
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James
Rudi Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

I'd take Davis over everyone of those guys except LT & LJ. Easy.
For everyone of those guys you could put the words......... "arguably the best offensive line" behind their names for the years that they produced. Can't put those words behind DDs name for any year he has toted the rock in H-Town....... more like "the worst offensive line period"


The exact stat..... show.... GP was talking about said over the last three years.

LMAO............ yeah.

 

[thunderkyss]

I am not getting into a stats argument over this. Anyone who has watched football in the last 3 years knows what kind of backs these guys are that I listed. Now you are saying we have the worst offensive line in the NFL but earlier in another thread you talked about how good our running game was last season. Flip flopping again to try and prove your points.

1+1=2

 

[texan279]

The last five on your list are worse than DD IMO. Rudi and DD are so comparable, I think they are related. The first six on yor list are better than DD. And those six backs are on six teams, and that means IMO that DD is better than the remaining 24 backs on the remaining 24 teams.

Is that not good enough for you? Is that not worth sitting out a year? I mean, sometimes I think that we are so hardcore about every football season that we can't see past the current season, as if there might not be NFL to play or watch next year so we better get the guy on the field or cut him loose because this is the last year of football. Come on man, get some perspective on this: We keep a TE for eons who never even played a game, but was always well-liked and held in esteem for his talent level by Texans personnel...and you don't want to give DD a chance to rehab for one year? (sigh)

You are honestly saying that these guys were worse than DD over the last three seasons?

Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

 

[GP]

It was on NFLNetwork and what they said was he was one of five RB's who had accumulated more than 2500 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving over the last three years. The point they were making was he was a productive duel threat not that he was better than guys not on the list like Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Clinton Portis, etc.

I never said that they were saying he is "better" than those guys.

I'm the only one pulling up "evidence" here to support my standpoint. Anybody else doing that? Anybody else here posting what the analysts are saying in the sports media? Or is this all just "our humble opinions that we're arguing against one another?"

Point is this: DD is not a no-name back in Cleveland or Detroit or any one of the multitude of other NFL teams who have a merry-go-round stable of RBs that they switch out each year. Domanick Davis is a guy who gets a chance on I.R. and it isn't going to doom our team if he's out. And it isn't going to doom our team if he comes back and gets the starting the job.

If DD did THAT well under Capers' impotent offense, what could he do in Kubiak's system? He'd do great. And that's why Kubiak is coming out publicly to squelch the rumors that DD is "facing the idea of maybe getting cut." Kubiak can see what I see: A running back who can do just fine in his system.

 

[texan279]

1+1=2

If you are trying to imply that DD made the running game happen, then why are you attributing the other backs I listed success to their offensive lines and trying to make out like DD is the saviour of our running game? By the way, DD accounted for half of our rushing yards as a team last season.

 

[GP]

You are honestly saying that these guys were worse than DD over the last three seasons?

Jamal Lewis
Fred Taylor
Curtis Martin
Ahman Green
Priest Holmes

Ummmm...how many playoff games do ALL of those guys have under their belt over the entire past three years? Do the math for me. Shouldn't take long.

Yes, I would take DD over those guys. Again: Get some perspective on this, OK? The top six backs on your list are great backs. DD is tied with Rudi IMO as probably the seventh-best back over the past three years. For DD to have the success he's had, under the playground coaching of Capers & Co., is truly remarkable. And it hasn't gone unnoticed by many in the sports media and in the NFL.

If DD were cut, there are probably 24 other NFL teams who would at least have an emergency meeting to hammer out if they should take a risk on him or not.

I think a lot of times, we get caught up in looking at our players' "worth" to the team by looking through the prism of our record, or our current status on the power rankings. And that's a testimonial to just how awful our coaching had been: It made everyone look awful. Of course, DD still put on a show when he was in a game. That's abot the one consistent bright spot through all this. But I know, i know....he's a serviceable back who'll never be anything more than average.

 

[texan279]

I never said that they were saying he is "better" than those guys.

I'm the only one pulling up "evidence" here to support my standpoint. Anybody else doing that? Anybody else here posting what the analysts are saying in the sports media? Or is this all just "our humble opinions that we're arguing against one another?"

Point is this: DD is not a no-name back in Cleveland or Detroit or any one of the multitude of other NFL teams who have a merry-go-round stable of RBs that they switch out each year. Domanick Davis is a guy who gets a chance on I.R. and it isn't going to doom our team if he's out. And it isn't going to doom our team if he comes back and gets the starting the job.

If DD did THAT well under Capers' impotent offense, what could he do in Kubiak's system? He'd do great. And that's why Kubiak is coming out publicly to squelch the rumors that DD is "facing the idea of maybe getting cut." Kubiak can see what I see: A running back who can do just fine in his system.

Are you calling what analysts say evidence? If we should trust what the "analysts" say, are you saying we should have drafted Bush?

 

[texan279]

Ummmm...how many playoff games do ALL of those guys have under their belt over the entire past three years? Do the math for me. Shouldn't take long.

Yes, I would take DD over those guys. Again: Get some perspective on this, OK? The top six backs on your list are great backs. DD is tied with Rudi IMO as probably the seventh-best back over the past three years.

What in the heck does playoff appearances have to do with the success of a running back? If you want to look at it that way, how many does DD have? Zero? You and TK must be hanging out today smoking something.

 

[infantrycak]

I never said that they were saying he is "better" than those guys.

Over the course of the past few years, only three (or four) RBs are better than him.

Fine--all I was doing was telling what I heard them say which contrasted with the conclusion you reached.

When healthy DD is a better than average, very versatile RB. Obviously there is a huge issue with his health and career at this point. I have no problem with him going on IR if the group decides he has a better than 75% shot at playing some time in the future.

 

[real]

DD is hurt and probably(most likely) will not play this season...What can he do for us standing next to Troy Calhoun??? I'm not understanding this devotion to DD from a football perspective.....Explain to me from a football perspective how DD is going to contribute to this team now or in the future...IMO, it's purely emotional reasons that people are so hung up on DD....

 

[thunderkyss]

If you are trying to imply that DD made the running game happen, then why are you attributing the other backs I listed success to their offensive lines and trying to make out like DD is the saviour of our running game? By the way, DD accounted for half of our rushing yards as a team last season.

did you say half??

 

[texan279]

did you say half??

Yes half.

 

[Grid]

Id put Rudi ahead of DD and id tie DD with most of those 5 backs there.

Why? Injuries. DD has the same problem that those 5 bottom backs do.. too many injuries. I think if all of those guys had stayed health (and out of jail) DD would be considered "not as good" as them. Priest Holmes and Curtis Martin for sure would be better, Ahman Green as well (imo). Fred Taylor has consistently been a better back than DD when he is healthy, Jamal Lewis...eh...he did have that monster couple of seasons.. its possible though that he would be under DD.

Now, if DD stayed healthy, I think he could be considered better than some of the backs on the list. I could see DD on the same "level" as Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, and Edge.

But he doesnt stay healthy.. so he cant be considered "as good as them" based on what he does when he IS healthy.

BTW..I rate Rudi above DD not because he is a better back (I think DD is better) but because he stays healthier.

Personally id hate to lose DD.. he has been a big asset for this team..he has been a team player and has worked his butt off to give us what little competitive edge we have had over the last few years. But from the business side of things, you gotta look at his injury, and the time he has missed, and what we have in Morency and Lundy... and make the tough decision.

If we do cut him.. ill chalk it up to another casualty of the Capers era. Like Aaron Glenn, David Carr's potential, and the 2005 season.

 

[GP]

Fine--all I was doing was telling what I heard them say which contrasted with the conclusion you reached.

When healthy DD is a better than average, very versatile RB. Obviously there is a huge issue with his health and career at this point. I have no problem with him going on IR if the group decides he has a better than 75% shot at playing some time in the future.

The analysts said (by showing a graphic on the screen) that Domanick is a player who is in elite company. I couldn't remember the category, but the fact that they took the time to research and come to the conclusion that Domanick is more than just an average running back confirms what I think: He's not a guy you look at and go "Oh well, see ya' later. Thanks for the memories."

 

[GP]

Id put Rudi ahead of DD and id tie DD with most of those 5 backs there.

Why? Injuries. DD has the same problem that those 5 bottom backs do.. too many injuries. I think if all of those guys had stayed health (and out of jail) DD would be considered "not as good" as them. Priest Holmes and Curtis Martin for sure would be better, Ahman Green as well (imo). Fred Taylor has consistently been a better back than DD when he is healthy, Jamal Lewis...eh...he did have that monster couple of seasons.. its possible though that he would be under DD.

Now, if DD stayed healthy, I think he could be considered better than some of the backs on the list. I could see DD on the same "level" as Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, and Edge.

But he doesnt stay healthy.. so he cant be considered "as good as them" based on what he does when he IS healthy.

BTW..I rate Rudi above DD not because he is a better back (I think DD is better) but because he stays healthier.

Personally id hate to lose DD.. he has been a big asset for this team..he has been a team player and has worked his butt off to give us what little competitive edge we have had over the last few years. But from the business side of things, you gotta look at his injury, and the time he has missed, and what we have in Morency and Lundy... and make the tough decision.

If we do cut him.. ill chalk it up to another casualty of the Capers era. Like Aaron Glenn, David Carr's potential, and the 2005 season.

Rudi is healthier? I had him on my fantasy team last year and spent HOURS every week pouring over the Bengals message board, team site, KFFL.com, all the sports media, just trying to see if he would be playing any at all. From what I recall, he was almost always a game-time decision. Throw in the fact that Chris Perry is hot on his heels, producing when he's on the field, and you have a situation (IMO) where the Begals are beginning to gradually spread the ball around to a guy like Perry more and more.

 

[texan279]

The analysts said (by showing a graphic on the screen) that Domanick is a player who is in elite company. I couldn't remember the category, but the fact that they took the time to research and come to the conclusion that Domanick is more than just an average running back confirms what I think: He's not a guy you look at and go "Oh well, see ya' later. Thanks for the memories."

And like Vinny says, you cannot base performance on stats. Davis does nothing spectacular on the field, he just goes out and does his job.

 

[real]

The analysts said (by showing a graphic on the screen) that Domanick is a player who is in elite company. I couldn't remember the category, but the fact that they took the time to research and come to the conclusion that Domanick is more than just an average running back confirms what I think: He's not a guy you look at and go "Oh well, see ya' later. Thanks for the memories."

Value wise...Where would you put DD compared to the rest of the team...(assuming he was healthy)

*My list is based on what the player brings to the team, and how much we would miss them if the were absent

My List:

1)Andre Johnson
2)D.Rob
3)Eric Moulds
4)Mario
5)Demeco
6)Flannagan
7)DD(I think this is being generous)

..............JMO......................

 

[real]

Rudi is healthier? I had him on my fantasy team last year and spent HOURS every week pouring over the Bengals message board, team site, KFFL.com, all the sports media, just trying to see if he would be playing any at all. From what I recall, he was almost always a game-time decision. Throw in the fact that Chris Perry is hot on his heels, producing when he's on the field, and you have a situation (IMO) where the Begals are beginning to gradually spread the ball around to a guy like Perry more and more.

Rudi=Pro Bowl
DD=Injured reserve

...the end

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

thunderkyss has officially lost his mind.

 

[Vinny]

Imo Dom is a slightly above average NFL running back. Easy to replace...hard worker, good guy and all...but at the end of the day....easy to replace.

 

[real]

Imo Dom is a slightly above average NFL running back. Easy to replace...hard worker, good guy and all...but at the end of the day....easy to replace.

Thats pretty much what it boils down to...

 

[texan279]

thunderkyss has officially lost his mind.

LMAO And on that note, I've got to get outside and finish some work before I laugh myself to tears or lose any more IQ points discussing this. I'll be back in awhile to chime in again.

 

[texan279]

Imo Dom is a slightly above average NFL running back. Easy to replace...hard worker, good guy and all...but at the end of the day....easy to replace.

I'll third the motion with Tru, my take exactly. Some around here act like if we lose DD we are losing Walter Payton or something.

 

[tsip]

He can go to the PUP if the doctors re evaluate his knee. Hence why they are meeting again. If the doctors determine they can put the foam to increase padding within the knee then they will and he can be placed back on PUP. Personally I think he is either going to be able to play around the 3rd game or he will be on IR like Mork said earlier in Training Camp.

Why does K not mention the PUP as an option?


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