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Kubiak--State of the Texans 8/28/06

aj. said:
I've lost track. Do you have access to the team or is this just your opinion added to a compilation of what's become public?
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It's just public information. Most of the traditional media doesn't pay much attention to every utterance the team makes. So it is just filtering through all the stuff that is known publicly and putting it in one place. And then guessing what it means based on what is known.
 
gtexan02 said:
I tried to refute this in my other thread. Where is all the blind love for Morency? How is a "more polished" RB? He's played 2 preseason games, and while he well in his first, he only averaged 2.8 ypc in the second one. That was with 13 carries and against the Bronco's 2nd and 3rd string defense!!

So how has he looked better than Lundy?
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I agree with their assessments. I think Morency has looked a tad more explosive, hits the hole a little faster, and picks up blitzes a lot better than Lundy.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Lundy has looked bad. In fact I have been very pleased with how he has performed. I am estatic that we have 2 good RB's. I just give Morency an edge because he is a better blocker and had a year under his belt and it shows a little.

But I also believe in the coaching staff, so I am sure they are on top of it.
 
Despite the low YPC Morency had last night, he converted 3 or 4 3rd/4th and shorts. When you need two yards and get two yards, that's good! He did that very well. It appeared that Lundy had opportunities in the first half for big plays and only got 5 or 6 yards. I like Lundy also, but it just appears that Morency has a little something extra, and he has done very well in pass protection, though he did miss one blitzer last night.
 
First & foremost, I must apologize for my mood....... consider me in morning.... after what I just read about DD..... & what is being heavily implied, I no longer care to keep up with Texans news...... I'm going to go find a bottle of something or other, and a dark corner somewhere.

Kaiser Toro said:
Good to hear about Sanders. CAK mentioned earned, was that verbatim or just the feel in your opinion?

Another DT? Very interesting as the conspiracy theorist in me sees everything, but knows nothing. Who is supposed to be the reciever of that message or is it just to get a look at another player for the future (PS, next year, style of play) in your opinion?
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I think it is important to point out, that Kubiak has not been happy at all with our DT situation. One of the main reasons we are putting Williams in at DT so much, is because he get's the best push up the middle. I think TJ is doing his part. But I was wrong about DD.

But as far as a DT, TJ is the only one getting in the backfield. Seth doesn't loose ground, but he doesn't look to be strong enough to shed blockers. And I haven't seen Robaire show up to a game yet. Weaver... he's not a tackle.

anyway......

I'll see you guys when the bottles dry.
 
Here's John McClain's story. Very thorough:
Texans' Davis in danger of being cut


Each day, Kubiak grows more concerned about Davis' lack of availability during a week in which the roster will be reduced to a final 53 on Friday, one day after the Texans close preseason at home against Tampa Bay.

"I'm very concerned," Kubiak said. "There's not much we can do about it, but I'm very concerned about that situation. It'll be a tough decision for the final 53. We'll make the decision based on what's best for Domanick and the team."

The Texans will have several options. They can make Davis part of the final roster and wait for him to get healthy. They can place him on waivers. They can put him on injured reserve, which means he wouldn't play this season. They also could trade him, which is unlikely because he's damaged goods.

Davis can't be placed on the physically unable to perform list because he passed the team's physical before training camp.

Asked what has to happen for Davis to be on the 53-man roster, Kubiak said, "We have to see something that shows he's making a lot of progress.

"Before the game Thursday, we'll probably have a sit-down with Domanick, the doctors, possibly his agent and everybody involved in the process to see where he is. That's going to be a big call.

"The farther we go without him being on the field, the tougher that decision becomes. And when I say tough, it doesn't necessarily mean that Domanick won't be on the 53-man roster. If he's definitely making progress, and everybody thinks he's going to be able to play, then he will be (on the final roster)."

Davis, who turns 26 in October, was on his way to a third consecutive 1,000-yard season a year ago but came up 24 yards short because of the knee injury. The surgery removed part of his lateral meniscus.
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He will be let go in my opinion. Passing the physical was something I was not aware of. Hats off to McClain for relaying an explanation of the situation.
 
Well one thing is for sure, if Kubiak says he will not think twice about cutting you then you better bet your you know what that he will. Look at the Reggie Bush situation, he said he would take Mario and sure as crap he did LOL! If I were DD I would suck it up and play this week. Heck back in the 80s players played hurt all the time. His knee is sore not torn, he should show some backbone and get out there. If he looses his job then hey, he had his warning and if he thinks it is a bluff by Kubiak then he deserves what he gets.
 
nonsense.

he's a pro bowl back and still amassed almost a 1,000 yards last year despite missing like 6 games.

when he's healthy and can play he's a 15 carry 90 yard back. he isn't going anywhere.
 
GoTexans said:
nonsense.

he's a pro bowl back and still amassed almost a 1,000 yards last year despite missing like 6 games.

when he's healthy and can play he's a 15 carry 90 yard back. he isn't going anywhere.
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The problem is that he is not healthy and Kubes is going to do whats best for this team.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
He will be let go in my opinion. Passing the physical was something I was not aware of. Hats off to McClain for relaying an explanation of the situation.
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I didn't know about that physical thing either as I expected him to be PUPed. Given the physical thing, I expect that he will be cut. The only other option I think is the IR and that has a lot of money attached to doing it (salary & Bonus I think) and they could wind up in the same position next year and then have to cut him.
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
We can't cut Davis. I would keep 4 runningbacks because for the sake of loyalty, this man accounted for 75% of offense in the last 4 years. He can play.


I's keep:

Morency
Lundy
Taylor
Davis

Cut Smith!
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Loyalty does not win crap. If he can not play, then cut him because he is filling up a roster spot. This is a business, and they are in it to win. If he can not play, that makes him a loser.
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
We can't cut Davis. I would keep 4 runningbacks because for the sake of loyalty, this man accounted for 75% of offense in the last 4 years. He can play.


I's keep:

Morency
Lundy
Taylor
Davis

Cut Smith!
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This sounds like a Capers way of running a team. Davis is my favorite player. I have an autographed game day jersey from him, a custom t-shirt his uncle was making when he was rookie of the year, a white replica autographed jersey, my son's hat (before it was stolen at Reliant) was autographed by him, I have pictures autograpghed by him.. shoot I've even been to lunch with the dude and his friends. He is a great guy and great football player but Kubes knows if he is broke we may need to move on. If Kubes really feels he will get better then he will not cut him.
 
GoTexans said:
nonsense.

he's a pro bowl back and still amassed almost a 1,000 yards last year despite missing like 6 games.

when he's healthy and can play he's a 15 carry 90 yard back. he isn't going anywhere.
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Pro-Bowl Back?

You have got to be kidding... He isn't much more than a 3rd stringer on most teams. And now has glass knees.

Cut him and let's move on....
 
I wonder if any of you think that he may gamble and put DD on waivers. Perhaps with all the hoopla about the knee, other teams wont want him and we can sign him to a lower contract or something?

Anythoughts on that plan?
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Pro-Bowl Back?

You have got to be kidding... He isn't much more than a 3rd stringer on most teams. And now has glass knees.

Cut him and let's move on....
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Dito.
 
Nothing against Domanick but if he is unable to play this season, leaves me asking his durabilty as a back, I would rather have a healthy player, that can play and make a difference for this team, there is nothing Domanick can do from the sidelines........I wish him all the best, but Kubiak needs to make a desicion that is best for the team........
 
I think if Kubes cuts Dom, alot of other players are never going to get "hurt".

I heard Derick Lewis saying this morning on 1300 the Zone in Austin, that one day DD will be out on the field cutting and moving and everyone is getting excited and the next day he can't even walk.

In my opinion we don't need that kind of inconsistency when we have a new offensive system. The other guys haven't shown they can't do it.
 
El Tejano said:
I wonder if any of you think that he may gamble and put DD on waivers. Perhaps with all the hoopla about the knee, other teams wont want him and we can sign him to a lower contract or something?

Anythoughts on that plan?
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I actually mentioned something about this back after the draft and thought he should sit out this year and rehab if he could, maybe they would IR him. But it looks like things were worse than thought and the reality of contact sports has hit.

IMHO we go the waiver route now with DD if he cant go in a few weeks at most. He hasnt shown progress - It's not because he's not a class guy, it's that he cant even practice, so how's he gonna play? I'm guessing the team needs an answer on this one bad ad may feel its better for him to sit and recover then risk a lifetime injury and liability. IF he wants to keep playing and risk it he will try to get back with this team or another this year and have to sign off on it. I hope he recovers, but the outlook is bleak to be realistic at this point.
 
Texans_Chick said:
The Texans will have several options. They can make Davis part of the final roster and wait for him to get healthy. They can place him on waivers. They can put him on injured reserve, which means he wouldn't play this season. They also could trade him, which is unlikely because he's damaged goods.

Davis can't be placed on the physically unable to perform list because he passed the team's physical before training camp.
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Not that I don't trust McClain...but is there a source for that besides him? Something about that doesn't quite add up.

What happens if a player gets hurt during training camp? He can't play at the start of the regular season but will be able to by midseason - that is the whole point of the PUP, is it not? I'll be the first to admit I don't fully understand the difference between the IR and the PUP except it seems the IR means you're out for the year and the PUP doesn't.

I did a quick search through the CBA (available on www.nflpa.org) and nothing I saw there seemed to imply passing a physical before training camp meant you can't be placed on the PUP.

Especially because the bone bruise isn't considered to be related to the offseason surgery - something doesn't add up to me. Anyone know more?
 
TexanTom said:
Not that I don't trust McClain...but is there a source for that besides him? Something about that doesn't quite add up.

What happens if a player gets hurt during training camp? He can't play at the start of the regular season but will be able to by midseason - that is the whole point of the PUP, is it not? I'll be the first to admit I don't fully understand the difference between the IR and the PUP except it seems the IR means you're out for the year and the PUP doesn't.

I did a quick search through the CBA (available on www.nflpa.org) and nothing I saw there seemed to imply passing a physical before training camp meant you can't be placed on the PUP.

Especially because the bone bruise isn't considered to be related to the offseason surgery - something doesn't add up to me. Anyone know more?
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Believe it or not a very similar story like this was discussed on the Mike&Mike show this morning with Mark Schlereth and Mike Golic. Golic's last season was in Miami and he had offseason knee surgery and reported to camp. He said that before anyone could take the field in camp they had to be medically cleared on the morning of the first workout. He said that his knee still bothered him but he wanted to practice and test it out and signed the clearence sheet. He was immediatly escorted to the GMs office without being able to go practice and found out he was being cut. Basically if you say you are injured and aren't cleared to practice then you can't be cut...ala Bennie Joppru. The minute that Golic signed the waiver he was toast and thats all the Miami front office was waiting on. Schlereth indicated that he had seen similar circumstances as well.
 
Prior to training camp, teams can designate players for the PUP so they don't count against the roster limit. It's usually done for players who are recovering from off-season surgery and whose recovery times are several months.

In other words PUP is for a player who fails his physical at the start of training camp (like Mathis and Wong). Before the season starts, those players can be brought back at any time, but prior to the start of the season the team needs to make a decision on the player - either to bring them back to active 53 status or put them on reserve-PUP, or IR them.

If they go on reserve PUP the player can't practice for the first 5 weeks of the season and the team has to make a decision on the player's future after Week 5. If the team thinks the player can make it back to active status, then the player can start practicing during a window between Week 6 and Week 10. If they are deemed healthy during that window, they can then be brought back on the 53 man roster during that period. If they still aren't ready by Week 10 you have to IR them. If you bring the player back on the active 53, someone else has to be waived.

DD and Faggins were considered healthy on the first day of camp so neither are eligible for PUP. If you get hurt in camp, you're basically carried as an injured player like you are during the regular season and there isn't a roster credit. So Faggins can't be PUP'd either and that's why he will take up a spot on the 53 even though he won't be ready until Week 4-5 at the earliest.

At least that's the way I understand it -- the Week 6-10 thing may be off by a week or so ... I'd have to check on that part but it's something like that.
 
El Tejano said:
I think if Kubes cuts Dom, alot of other players are never going to get "hurt".

I heard Derick Lewis saying this morning on 1300 the Zone in Austin, that one day DD will be out on the field cutting and moving and everyone is getting excited and the next day he can't even walk.

In my opinion we don't need that kind of inconsistency when we have a new offensive system. The other guys haven't shown they can't do it.
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Well there you go then, there is only 16 games a year. he should be able to play the game then rest and ice it until the next game.
 
The doctors even stated that his knee is ok, but the pain will still be there, I guess forever, that brings a big Question Mark about Domanicks durability?
 
What i dont understand is how can a bone bruise be such a problem? The article mentions that it is unrelated to the surgery. Shouldnt that mean that once the bruise clears up, he should be good to go?

Wow, the idea of DD being cut is shocking to me....he was the Texans, at least the offense, for the last three years...

They dont kid when they say its a bussiness
 
I am going to gamble here and say:

DD makes the roster. DD has limited practices, and DD tries to do a Steve McNair and just play on Sundays.

I think when it comes down to it, DD wants to play...and DD wants to win. He has "heart" and I think he's going to get it done.

Now, if he gets re-injured or cannot gut it out in the midst of coming back...then, so be it. But I think he makes the tough call, and I think Kubiak gets this player back on the field because he's been more of a leader than almost any other player on our team. He sucked stones unless he was out there. He grinded out extra inches on his carries when others would have fallen short. I just think he gives it one more big push, and I think Kubiak grants it to him. I think we release Smith and keep DD, Morency, Lundy, and try to pick up one more back off waivers.

Guess we'll see, eh?
 
If Domanick Davis doesn't practice, then he will not play. He would be the 4th back on the depth chart. It would be a waste of roster space. Remember, he has ZERO experience running behind this revamped offensive line.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
If Domanick Davis doesn't practice, then he will not play. He would be the 4th back on the depth chart. It would be a waste of roster space. Remember, he has ZERO experience running behind this revamped offensive line.
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I think he's history. It wasn't very hard to read between the lines listening to Kubes on the radio.

I posted about 3 weeks ago that I didn't think DD would ever play another down in the NFL, and some reacted as if I took a gun and shot their family dog. When I heard that the doctors told DD that his knee was never going to feel like nornal again, I knew right then it was over. Another hint that Kubiak will be sitting down with Dom, the doctors, and his agent . . well . .
 
I pretty much knew after 6 months of rehabbing after a knee scope that Davis would never be the same if he ever played again at all...
 
Marcus said:
I think he's history. It wasn't very hard to read between the lines listening to Kubes on the radio.

I posted about 3 weeks ago that I didn't think DD would ever play another down in the NFL, and some reacted as if I took a gun and shot their family dog. When I heard that the doctors told DD that his knee was never going to feel like nornal again, I knew right then it was over. Another hint that Kubiak will be sitting down with Dom, the doctors, and his agent . . well . .
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I was saying something similar as well. I was saying that we'd be lucky to see him come back this year. I was kind of expecting bad news from the DD camp, so as a result, I will not be upset as some others will be. We'll be fine without him.:twocents:
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
If Domanick Davis doesn't practice, then he will not play. He would be the 4th back on the depth chart. It would be a waste of roster space. Remember, he has ZERO experience running behind this revamped offensive line.
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uhhh....we ran a smaller version of a zone blocking scheme all last year.

he'd do fine.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
uhhh....we ran a smaller version of a zone blocking scheme all last year.

he'd do fine.
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But Kubiak did say no practice no play...but I see what you are saying
 
Read today's "Open Locker Room Quotes....

Kubiak on (on cutting Domanick Davis) “The idea of cutting Domanick has not even played a factor. I don’t know where that came from. The decision is strictly if his knee is going to be healthy enough to play. If his knee is not healthy enough to play, if that is the decision that’s made about him, then he’s looking at an I.R. (injury reserve) season. If he is going to be able to make it back, then he is going to be on this football team. The other choice (cutting Davis) has never been a factor. Domanick Davis is a big part of this football team as I’ve said all along we’re going to do what’s right for him.”
 
Well, next year, about this time, after DD sits out the entire 2006 season on IR, will we hear the same doctors saying that DD's knee will never be right, and that he's going to have to play with the pain???

Something is missing here.
 
Marcus said:
Well, next year, about this time, after DD sits out the entire 2006 season on IR, will we hear the same doctors saying that DD's knee will never be right, and that he's going to have to play with the pain???

Something is missing here.
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The problem I have is that DD has flat out said-despite what the DRs told him-he will not play until his knee feels like it use to. Certainly, players play with pain all the time, but not DD. His history with the team is a testament to this fact, so what can the Texans be thinking? If the pain is not going to go away and the knee is as good as it's going to get, the ball is in DD's 'court.'

I've already posted the article about Red Sox pitcher David Wells, who was diagnosed in June with the same injury and prognosis. Wells came back in July and has been pitching sense...IMO, if this is strictly a 'mind' issue with DD, the Texans are in a no-win situation if he won't play with pain.
 
This is nothing at all...... DD getting some needed rest.

He'll be ready to go Sept 10.....
 
texan279 said:
I hope this is sarcasm...
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You hope I'm being sarcastic about being optomistic about our Franchise runningback being healthy to start the season?? :confused:

Do you think about these things before you hit the Submit Reply button??
 
thunderkyss said:
You hope I'm being sarcastic about being optomistic about our Franchise runningback being healthy to start the season?? :confused:

Do you think about these things before you hit the Submit Reply button??
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You're a Davis homer. I have seen you try to compare him to elite backs in the NFL, I have seen you call him "special" several times. Truth is Davis is a serviceable back and it's not like the team could not go on without him if he goes on IR or has to sit awhile. We have already seen two other backs step up this preseason who would be able to fill DD's shoes and then some based on what we have seen so far. I guess I just look at things realistically since the guy has been dealing with this knee for almost 9 months now and you seem to think he will magically be ready to go in two weeks...
 
thunderkyss said:
You hope I'm being sarcastic about being optomistic about our Franchise runningback being healthy to start the season?? :confused:

Do you think about these things before you hit the Submit Reply button??
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Oh, so is that what that was . . . a blind optimistic wishful thinking rant instead of a realistic expectation?

You better go back into that dark place with your bottle . . . and get your mind right.:rolleyes:
 
texan279 said:
You're a Davis homer. I have seen you try to compare him to elite backs in the NFL, I have seen you call him "special" several times. Truth is Davis is a serviceable back and it's not like the team could not go on without him if he goes on IR or has to sit awhile. We have already seen two other backs step up this preseason who would be able to fill DD's shoes and then some based on what we have seen so far. I guess I just look at things realistically since the guy has been dealing with this knee for almost 9 months now and you seem to think he will magically be ready to go in two weeks...
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We've seen two rookie Runningbacks play well in the Preseason... Vernand morency is just a back-up(you remember that argument don't you).

How many times have you seen guys in preseason show up to win a roster spot, but come the regular season when the big boys hit for real, & play at 100% on every down, how many times, can those same guys not hit the holes they hit in the preseason.

DD has done it in the NFL between September & December for this team, with McKinney, Weary, Pitts, Wand & Wiegart in front of him, David Behind him, and Aj split wide to the right. He's done it against Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indianappolis, Baltimore. He's done it on gameday, when it counts.

Ask anybody about the Texans in 2005, and what will they say?? "They're going to get David Carr killed, but at least they've got a running game."
 
Marcus said:
Oh, so is that what that was . . . a blind optimistic wishful thinking rant instead of a realistic expectation?

You better go back into that dark place with your bottle . . . and get your mind right.:rolleyes:
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So I guess you don't believe Hinds Ward, Terrell Owens, or SteveSmith will be able to play in '06?? They've all had injuries that have kept them out of training camp.S.Smith, I believe only made a week of TC.... T.O. has missed over 20 practices, and reaggravated his hamstring.

and this is just silly old hamstring injuries, not knee surgery.

Let's be realistic, if you play FF, dump HinesWard, T.O., and S.Smith, because they obviously won't be playing. need to put them on IR.
 
thunderkyss said:
We've seen two rookie Runningbacks play well in the Preseason... Vernand morency is just a back-up(you remember that argument don't you).

How many times have you seen guys in preseason show up to win a roster spot, but come the regular season when the big boys hit for real, & play at 100% on every down, how many times, can those same guys not hit the holes they hit in the preseason.

DD has done it in the NFL between September & December for this team, with McKinney, Weary, Pitts, Wand & Wiegart in front of him, David Behind him, and Aj split wide to the right. He's done it against Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indianappolis, Baltimore. He's done it on gameday, when it counts.

Ask anybody about the Texans in 2005, and what will they say?? "They're going to get David Carr killed, but at least they've got a running game."
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...you're missing a 'major' point---DRs say DD has to play with pain but DD says he won't---so what happens now? IR for a year?...same scenario...nothing changes until DD alters his mindset. How DD played his 1st 3 yrs is a non-issue, as is the play of RB's in pre-season---will DD play with pain?
 
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