Kubiak/Shanahan's Opinion on Bush

[bdiddy]

Pure Speculation.

I have a friend in Denver and he is saying this about Bush and Kubiak. Apparently, Denver traded their 2005 first round pick to the Redskins for the Redskins 2006 first rounder. The Denver talk-show guys are saying that Kubiak and Shanahan were in favor of trading both of these number ones (and possibly something more) to the team with the first pick so they could select Bush.

The Denver media is laughing at the notion that Houston fans and media are speculating about taking VY. The make the point that if Denver, who are ready has good RBs, would consider taking Bush how could the Texans not take him?

I do not know how much these sports talk guys no, could be pure opinion just thought I would share with the board.

Additionally, see the following story in the Denver Post a couple of days ago:

http://http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

All signs point to Bush

Houston: It is difficult to believe reports the Texans are married to the decision to draft Southern California running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick over Texas quarterback Vince Young, a state hero and a Houston native.

But it makes sense. It also makes sense that Bush will be the pick with the pending hiring of Broncos' offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. All indications point to the Texans hiring Kubiak once Denver's season ends.

Kubiak knows the benefits of having a strong running game. Denver has been a running stalwart in Kubiak's time with the team and Bush is too tempting. Plus, the Texans think a solid quarterback coach such as Kubiak could salvage former overall No. 1 pick David Carr. Taking Young and bypassing on the explosiveness of Bush would not make sense. Kubiak has helped Jake Plummer flourish and he could do the same with Carr, who is only 26.

It is too early for the Texans to make their final decision, but all signals point to Bush over Young.

 

[swisher]

Pure Speculation.


The Denver media is laughing at the notion that Houston fans and media are speculating about taking VY. The make the point that if Denver, who are ready has good RBs, would consider taking Bush how could the Texans not take him?


All signs point to Bush

Houston: It is difficult to believe reports the Texans are married to the decision to draft Southern California running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick over Texas quarterback Vince Young, a state hero and a Houston native.


It is too early for the Texans to make their final decision, but all signals point to Bush over Young.

But you just said the Denver media was laughing at Houston for even considering Young, then the article says it would be hard to believe that Houston wouldn't consider him...so which is it?

 

[texan279]

Pure Speculation.

I have a friend in Denver and he is saying this about Bush and Kubiak. Apparently, Denver traded their 2004 first round pick to the Redskins for the Redskins 2006 first rounder. The Denver talk-show guys are saying that Kubiak and Shanahan were in favor of trading both of these number ones (and possibly something more) to the team with the first pick so they could select Bush.

The Denver media is laughing at the notion that Houston fans and media are speculating about taking VY. The make the point that if Denver, who are ready has good RBs, would consider taking Bush how could the Texans not take him?

I do not know how much these sports talk guys no, could be pure opinion just thought I would share with the board.

Additionally, see the following story in the Denver Post a couple of days ago:

http://http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

All signs point to Bush

Houston: It is difficult to believe reports the Texans are married to the decision to draft Southern California running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick over Texas quarterback Vince Young, a state hero and a Houston native.

But it makes sense. It also makes sense that Bush will be the pick with the pending hiring of Broncos' offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. All indications point to the Texans hiring Kubiak once Denver's season ends.

Kubiak knows the benefits of having a strong running game. Denver has been a running stalwart in Kubiak's time with the team and Bush is too tempting. Plus, the Texans think a solid quarterback coach such as Kubiak could salvage former overall No. 1 pick David Carr. Taking Young and bypassing on the explosiveness of Bush would not make sense. Kubiak has helped Jake Plummer flourish and he could do the same with Carr, who is only 26.

It is too early for the Texans to make their final decision, but all signals point to Bush over Young.

This is the opinion of a lot of football fans and media guys outside of Texas. It's good to hear the opinion of others who are not from this area on our situation. Nice post.

 

[Runner]

But you just said the Denver media was laughing at Houston for even considering Young, then the article says it would be hard to believe that Houston wouldn't consider him...so which is it?

Both if it's irony.

 

[bdiddy]

But you just said the Denver media was laughing at Houston for even considering Young, then the article says it would be hard to believe that Houston wouldn't consider him...so which is it?

Sorry, may be I was not completely clear. The media is not laughing at the Texans, but the Houston media and fans. Not because we are considering VY, this is completely plausible - but because the overwhelming majority (everyone but John Lopez) are in favor of drafting VY over Bush.

Apparently, they had an opinion poll on one of the local news stations and something like 80%+ stated the Texans should take Bush. This was during the bye week when Kubiak to the Texans was a hot topic in denver (at least from what I hear)

 

[El Tejano]

Well if Kubiak knows what Denver is going to do and we get 2 first rounders out of it, I say trade. Yeah Bush and Young have explosiveness but we can get some quality lineman both o and d in the first round and then use the rest of the draft on other stuff.

 

[LoneStarState]

Well if Kubiak knows what Denver is going to do and we get 2 first rounders out of it, I say trade. Yeah Bush and Young have explosiveness but we can get some quality lineman both o and d in the first round and then use the rest of the draft on other stuff.

Denver doesn't have 2 first rounds this year. Besides - that would leave Houston with the number 29, 30, 31, or 32 pick. That ain't gonna happen.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Denver doesn't have 2 first rounds this year. Besides - that would leave Houston with the number 29, 30, 31, or 32 pick. That ain't gonna happen.

They do have two first round picks as previously stated. They have Washington's pick(24, I think) and their own (could be 30?). I do think these are too low for the first pick in the draft, however.

 

[HoustonFan]

Nice to get an out of state perspective. Besides, it's not like the Broncos have sucked over the past decade.

At this point, let's wait for Kubiak to take the job, hire his staff and then go from there.

 

[Erratic Assassin]

They do have two first round picks as previously stated. They have Washington's pick(24, I think) and their own (could be 30?). I do think these are too low for the first pick in the draft, however.

I'd trade 2 first rounders for Reggie Bush. 2 first rounders could go a long way to speeding up our turnaround.

 

[ipaman]

Pure Speculation.

I have a friend in Denver and he is saying this about Bush and Kubiak. Apparently, Denver traded their 2005 first round pick to the Redskins for the Redskins 2006 first rounder. The Denver talk-show guys are saying that Kubiak and Shanahan were in favor of trading both of these number ones (and possibly something more) to the team with the first pick so they could select Bush.

this is crap. denver would never draft a rb that high. they can plug in any rb into their system and the guy will kill. if they did trade both 1's for a high 1st rounder it would not be for a rb.

 

[MorKnolle]

this is crap. denver would never draft a rb that high. they can plug in any rb into their system and the guy will kill. if they did trade both 1's for a high 1st rounder it would not be for a rb.

I tend to agree, if the Broncos can have five different RBs put up 1500 yard seasons in 8 years and were willing to trade Portis off after 3000 yards in his first two seasons in order to get their dominant CB, I don't think they'll give up two picks to get another RB, especially when they already have a very similar RB in Tatum Bell.

 

[thunderkyss]

There is no way anyone is going to convince me that Denver would consider trading two #1s for Regie Bush or any running back for that matter. not when they get rid of guys like Clinton Portis, Olandis Gary, Ruben Droughns..... Especially when they've got Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell sitting pretty right now.

 

[El Tejano]

It makes sense when you think of using Bush in the way we plan to and that is by lining him up as a wideout. You have to remember, how Rod Smith is getting older too.

 

[bigTEXan8]

Denver would never trade to get Bush. My theory is that they could get a third rounder if the really need one. Anderson, Bell, and even Dayne played fantastic this year. If they get any RB, they might get Calhoun out of, I think it's Wisconson. He'll probably go 2nd or 3rd rounder, however I highly doubt they draft any RB this year. Bush is as good as ours, if we don't trade him away. Won't draft VY.

 

[bdiddy]

Denver would never trade to get Bush. My theory is that they could get a third rounder if the really need one. Anderson, Bell, and even Dayne played fantastic this year. If they get any RB, they might get Calhoun out of, I think it's Wisconson. He'll probably go 2nd or 3rd rounder, however I highly doubt they draft any RB this year. Bush is as good as ours, if we don't trade him away. Won't draft VY.

I know Bush is as good as ours, the point was that Kubiak thought so highly of Bush that he would consider doing this even with the Broncos current RB situation (at least according to Denver talk radio). Imagine how excited he must be that we own the first pick.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Apparently, they had an opinion poll on one of the local news stations and something like 80%+ stated the Texans should take Bush. This was during the bye week when Kubiak to the Texans was a hot topic in denver (at least from what I hear)

Probably the same 80% (or overwhelming majority) that thought that USC was gonna beat UT.

Bush is all over the airwaves cuz his teammate White gets all the tough yards for him while his QB gets them to their 3rd NC attempt. Bush just runs all over feild between the 20's (except for the most important offensive play of the game , 4th and 1), gets on ESPN all the time and Young does not. They have a formed a formidable opinion on bush, Young is new to them. Most probably think this was the only game he performed like this cuz the ABC network did not have any footage to show while they did have old high school footage on bush!!??

I've got 2 neighbors and their families that are from Denver that are monster football fans who know their stuff(only a few years removed), love the notion that kubes is coming, loves the notion that they may appear in the SB, and all say that Young is the answer cuz they've been exposed to the 4 year crap-a-thon that the Texans and Carr have had going on all this time.

Kubiak can't fix everything.

It's one thing to buy a used Carr with minimal miles, good paint, interior still in good shape, motor runs good, all the paperwork is in place, new brakes maybe, tires in good shape, basically a used Carr that will need a few trips to Jiffy Lube in a worst case scenario.

It's another to get a used Carr that is dinged up, scratched up, maybe a flat or two with the spare missing, leaking oil, cracked windshield, radio stolen, alignment all out of whack, tags out, inspection out, ....you get the point!!!

This isn't Monster Garage, it's the NFL.

Bob needs to get his new adopted son a new car and make the impression that he is a good daddy. Even if Kubes says "no daddy, I want the fix-er-upper". Daddy needs to say "son, I know you want that old beat up nasty old thing but I just want you to be safe. I don't want to see you get stuck in this Houston traffic (mad fans when DCarr fails) and get a whooping from them and then decide to exit, hop on I-10 west and go to your old home. Daddy loves you, tell ya what, I'll get another fix-er-upper that isn't in such bad shape and that can be your 2nd carr"

 

[bdiddy]

Probably the same 80% (or overwhelming majority) that thought that USC was gonna beat UT.

Bush is all over the airwaves cuz his teammate White gets all the tough yards for him while his QB gets them to their 3rd NC attempt. Bush just runs all over feild between the 20's (except for the most important offensive play of the game , 4th and 1), gets on ESPN all the time and Young does not. They have a formed a formidable opinion on bush, Young is new to them. Most probably think this was the only game he performed like this cuz the ABC network did not have any footage to show while they did have old high school footage on bush!!??

I've got 2 neighbors and their families that are from Denver that are monster football fans who know their stuff(only a few years removed), love the notion that kubes is coming, loves the notion that they may appear in the SB, and all say that Young is the answer cuz they've been exposed to the 4 year crap-a-thon that the Texans and Carr have had going on all this time.

Kubiak can't fix everything.

It's one thing to buy a used Carr with minimal miles, good paint, interior still in good shape, motor runs good, all the paperwork is in place, new brakes maybe, tires in good shape, basically a used Carr that will need a few trips to Jiffy Lube in a worst case scenario.

It's another to get a used Carr that is dinged up, scratched up, maybe a flat or two with the spare missing, leaking oil, cracked windshield, radio stolen, alignment all out of whack, tags out, inspection out, ....you get the point!!!

This isn't Monster Garage, it's the NFL.

Bob needs to get his new adopted son a new car and make the impression that he is a good daddy. Even if Kubes says "no daddy, I want the fix-er-upper". Daddy needs to say "son, I know you want that old beat up nasty old thing but I just want you to be safe. I don't want to see you get stuck in this Houston traffic (mad fans when DCarr fails) and get a whooping from them and then decide to exit, hop on I-10 west and go to your old home. Daddy loves you, tell ya what, I'll get another fix-er-upper that isn't in such bad shape and that can be your 2nd carr"

It sounds like you may be an angry Longhorn fan. I am a Longhorn and I love VY, but Bush will make our team better than VY. VY is not better than Bush and Carr combined.

Kubiak is on record of being a big fan of Carr. He is much better at evaluating talent that you, your Denver friends, or myself. I am not certain that we will draft Bush, but I am certain that Kubiak likes Carr and will give him every chance to succeed.

 

[beerlover]

last I checked Shanahan was the GM his track record suggests they don't use first rd picks on RB's- see Clinton Portis & when he got expensive they shipped him east for Champ (who can still read defenses but looks like he is losing his legs- see Aaron Glenn).

• 1999- Olandis Gary 4th rd.
• 2002- Clinton Portis 2nd rd.
• 2003- Quentin Griffen 4th rd.
• 2004- Tatum Bell 2nd rd.
• 2005- Maruice Clarett 3rd rd.

Not to mention the 1st overall pick is worth a whole lot more than the 22nd & 32nd pick. My guess is they would draft Vince Young over Bush if given the opportunity

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

last I checked Shanahan was the GM his track record suggests they don't use first rd picks on RB's- see Clinton Portis & when he got expensive they shipped him east for Champ (who can still read defenses but looks like he is losing his legs- see Aaron Glenn).

• 1999- Olandis Gary 4th rd.
• 2002- Clinton Portis 2nd rd.
• 2003- Quentin Griffen 4th rd.
• 2004- Tatum Bell 2nd rd.
• 2005- Maruice Clarett 3rd rd.

Not to mention the 1st overall pick is worth a whole lot more than the 22nd & 32nd pick. My guess is they would draft Vince Young over Bush if given the opportunity

hat if we trade dwn to #3 or #4 and VY is still there, do we take him then

 

[Maddict5]

i thought it was the jets that gave that pick to the skins. why didnt they have a 1st rounder last year could any1 tell me

 

[Wolf]

I'd have to say their 2 firstrounders wouldn't be enough.. not for that late 1st rounders... for my taste I'd need some thing else for the number 1 overall... (maybe a first next season) .. because basically if Denver wins this weekend.. they are picking 31st or 32nd.. which is almost a 2nd rounder.

 

[bdiddy]

I'd have to say their 2 firstrounders wouldn't be enough.. not for that late 1st rounders... for my taste I'd need some thing else for the number 1 overall... (maybe a first next season) .. because basically if Denver wins this weekend.. they are picking 31st or 32nd.. which is almost a 2nd rounder.

I agree, the whole point is that Kubiak/Shanahan value Bush this much - thus, it is likely he will select Bush with the first pick (or trade down).

 

[thunderkyss]

It makes sense when you think of using Bush in the way we plan to and that is by lining him up as a wideout. You have to remember, how Rod Smith is getting older too.

So we are going to use our #1 overall on a WR/RB project?? or that Denver will trade two first day picks on one??

hmmmmm.......

 

[adrianshrev]

well this is the same media who was calling for shanahan's job early this yr when he traded for the dl from cleveland and drafted clarett in the 3rd rd they said he was having a breakdown and dont know anything...dont believe everything this media says is fact they just go with national opion on most things and not investigate anything

 

[TreWardTxn]

Pure Speculation.

I have a friend in Denver and he is saying this about Bush and Kubiak. Apparently, Denver traded their 2005 first round pick to the Redskins for the Redskins 2006 first rounder. The Denver talk-show guys are saying that Kubiak and Shanahan were in favor of trading both of these number ones (and possibly something more) to the team with the first pick so they could select Bush.

The Denver media is laughing at the notion that Houston fans and media are speculating about taking VY. The make the point that if Denver, who are ready has good RBs, would consider taking Bush how could the Texans not take him?

I do not know how much these sports talk guys no, could be pure opinion just thought I would share with the board.

Additionally, see the following story in the Denver Post a couple of days ago:

http://http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

All signs point to Bush

Houston: It is difficult to believe reports the Texans are married to the decision to draft Southern California running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick over Texas quarterback Vince Young, a state hero and a Houston native.

But it makes sense. It also makes sense that Bush will be the pick with the pending hiring of Broncos' offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. All indications point to the Texans hiring Kubiak once Denver's season ends.

Kubiak knows the benefits of having a strong running game. Denver has been a running stalwart in Kubiak's time with the team and Bush is too tempting. Plus, the Texans think a solid quarterback coach such as Kubiak could salvage former overall No. 1 pick David Carr. Taking Young and bypassing on the explosiveness of Bush would not make sense. Kubiak has helped Jake Plummer flourish and he could do the same with Carr, who is only 26.

It is too early for the Texans to make their final decision, but all signals point to Bush over Young.

I would really like to know where you're friend got his information because this is the most ridiuclous thing I have heard in the entire 2006 draft speculation. Supposedly, a team that takes late round picks and makes them 1,000 yard backs, which already has a bruiser in Anderson and a home-run hitter in Bell is going to trade away TWO picks in the first round (this is the first round talent we're talking about) to get a guy at a position in which they are already strong at? Yeah, that's how championship teams are built....please, somebody debunk this

 

[TreWardTxn]

It sounds like you may be an angry Longhorn fan. I am a Longhorn and I love VY, but Bush will make our team better than VY. VY is not better than Bush and Carr combined.

Kubiak is on record of being a big fan of Carr. He is much better at evaluating talent that you, your Denver friends, or myself. I am not certain that we will draft Bush, but I am certain that Kubiak likes Carr and will give him every chance to succeed.

No potential/future coach of any team is going to come out and say that the QB of the team he is going to is trash, which DC isn't by the way. But Kubiak has seen enough QBs come and go in the league to know that sometimes a guy needs a change of venue. Remember, Plummer came from a losing franchise to a winning one, the Texans are still building a winning tradition. This team is not ready to win big (playoffs) with either Bush or Young next year. Carr's psyche will be damaged after another year of unfulfilled expectations (especially when fans realize Bush is not 'wins in a box') and it will only retard his growth. Sometimes a guy has just got to move on in order to play up to his potential...

 

[Apoch]

last I checked Shanahan was the GM his track record suggests they don't use first rd picks on RB's- see Clinton Portis & when he got expensive they shipped him east for Champ (who can still read defenses but looks like he is losing his legs- see Aaron Glenn).

• 1999- Olandis Gary 4th rd.
• 2002- Clinton Portis 2nd rd.
• 2003- Quentin Griffen 4th rd.
• 2004- Tatum Bell 2nd rd.
• 2005- Maruice Clarett 3rd rd.

Not to mention the 1st overall pick is worth a whole lot more than the 22nd & 32nd pick. My guess is they would draft Vince Young over Bush if given the opportunity

OK guys, stop listening to NFL Live for your insights on NFL coaches. Just because Denver has never drafted a RB in the first round doesn't mean they are opposed to it. People said Denver never drafts lineman in the first round for years. Then George Foster came along and that whole idea went out the window.

Shanahan always looks for impact players, and generally goes BPA in the first round. For the past few seasons the Broncos have used a strategy of picking four players that they have a shot at, and then selecting one of them. Every one of those players have a great deal of upside, and yes, sometimes there are RBs in that list. It just so happens that they haven't yet actually taken a RB in the first round, but that doesn't mean they won't.

After following Denver for years, I can say with all certainty that Shanahan will take the most talented players he can get his hands on. Why do you think he is even considering a guy like Terrell Owens right now? ...because despite being selfish (to put it mildly) he is a great player.

Bush is the one of the best college football players ever, and has the talent, drive, connections, and (apparently) the proper NFL team to take the league by storm. Just hand him that ORotY award right now.

 

[michaelm]

Any chance that we can all just please freaking stop making the Carr as an automobile analogies...?
PLEASE???

Ok,

Rusty Carr
Broken Carr
Lots of Miles on the Carr
Love My Carr, it's gonna drive me to the Superbowl
Need a new Carr
Get a Younger model

can't this please be out of our collective systems?
wasn't real cute to begin with
REALLY not cute now...






*edited* to say that these three 'ok' guys stacked on top of each other looks kind of freaky...! making me a little dizzy...

 

[BradK10]

forgive Big B Texan Fan (everytime I see his name I think Bun B of UGK, but that's a huge disservice to Bun), that's as far as his creativity goes for the Carr analogies.

For a pretty sweet chart on comparing trading picks, check this link

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

forgive Big B Texan Fan (everytime I see his name I think Bun B of UGK, but that's a huge disservice to Bun), that's as far as his creativity goes for the Carr analogies.

For a pretty sweet chart on comparing trading picks, check this link

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

Ya know I am listening, I mean watching.

What were you the 5A state Champ @? Dodge Ball? Spelling Bee?.

Thanx 4 taking that picture of yourself off of your avater.

UGK should write a song for you and Carr. "I got a head full of stones".

 

[Bronco Texan]

Not to mention the 1st overall pick is worth a whole lot more than the 22nd & 32nd pick.

I think some of you guys are missing the point here. They traded the pick last year hoping to trade these this year for Bush. I'm sure they didn't think they would have two high first rounders a year ago. I bet they were thinking(just like I was) that Washington wasn't going to do all that good and was hoping for a possible top 10 pick from them. And even though every coach hopes for the Superbowl I doubt Shanahan thought he was going to finish the way they did. All in all I think a year ago they thought they would possibly have a top 10 and a top 25 pick.

 

[BradK10]

Ya know I am listening, I mean watching.

What were you the 5A state Champ @? Dodge Ball? Spelling Bee?.

Thanx 4 taking that picture of yourself off of your avater.

UGK should write a song for you and Carr. "I got a head full of stones".

what, had a problem with me being one of the few on this board man (or woman) enough to actually show themselves?

and we were champs in football, something you probably didnt participate in but think you know all about

5A Champ at dodgeball....hell that'd be pretty damned cool to tell the truth

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

and we were champs in football, something you probably didnt participate in but think you know all about

Actually I played football all through little league, Middle School, and High School and my kids have played a combined 9 years of little league football and I've coached 2 of those teams and helped on 2 others. Got a friend that played at a 1A NCAA school and have been to several Pro and College games as well as watch as many as possible on TV, DVR has saved my marriage. I have several other Football connectivity in my life. I know we're just joking around with each other and I took no offense to your reply to my post that was a reply to yours, but I have been around football practically my whole life and give italot of attention. I know most of my posts aren't of the quality you'd read from a column in the Sporting News Weekly, fact of the matter this is fun to me, and I try to joke around as much as possible. Unfortunately right now I'v got a negative vibe on the team so 1/2 my posts are to be funny while the other 1/2 are my ranting on the team. Forget the whole VY/Bush/keep carr debate, this team has made some very bad decisions the past 4 years and I believe I've got the right to express my opinion here. Phew, there I go ranting again. Just wanted you to know that I do have football in my life to some degree and will have it for hopefully the next 20 years as far as my boys go. I'm not just some Houstonian that watched the Rose Bowl and signed up to post VYlove/Carrhate threads. I think he's the BPA. Just like I think you're the BPA as well, Best Poster in Arizona.

 

[michaelm]

I think he's the BPA. Just like I think you're the BPA as well, Best Poster in Arizona.

You guys stop it... I'm gettin' all misty over here...

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

You guys stop it... I'm gettin' all misty over here...

Who the heck is Misty and what is her 40 yd dash time?

 

[michaelm]

I think he's the BPA. Just like I think you're the BPA as well, Best Poster in Arizona.

You guys stop it... I'm gettin' all misty over here...


p.s.
Big B Texan Fan, I wasn't calling you out specifically when i posted about using the Carr/automobile analogies, there are many who use them.
Although, you did use them too, so I was referring to you as well...

No hard feelings? Well, as long as you don't start spell checking my posts... then the gloves come off buddy! >>>>>another>>>>

 

[michaelm]

Who the heck is Misty and what is her 40 yd dash time?

Misty and I go way back. My earliest memories of her were when my babysitter backed her Impala (original incarnation) over my hoppity-hop®...

 

[Nighthawk]

All Chill.

This is just another in the endless stream of anti-Vince threads setting out to prove that we should not take Vince Young because ________________ (Broncos fans, Chrissy Mortensen, many unnamed "scouts"--chose your poison) think(s) it's laughable idea. You're supposed to be afraid somebody will laugh at you. Apparently this is a great fear in certain manly circles.

I say we trade the 1st pick to Denver for their 2 first round picks and a player to be named, then trade Carr to the Jets for their first, get the 3rd, 24th, 30th in the first round, plus what?, two seconds and a third? I forget.

 

[BradK10]

Actually I played football all through little league, Middle School, and High School and my kids have played a combined 9 years of little league football and I've coached 2 of those teams and helped on 2 others. Got a friend that played at a 1A NCAA school and have been to several Pro and College games as well as watch as many as possible on TV, DVR has saved my marriage. I have several other Football connectivity in my life. I know we're just joking around with each other and I took no offense to your reply to my post that was a reply to yours, but I have been around football practically my whole life and give italot of attention. I know most of my posts aren't of the quality you'd read from a column in the Sporting News Weekly, fact of the matter this is fun to me, and I try to joke around as much as possible. Unfortunately right now I'v got a negative vibe on the team so 1/2 my posts are to be funny while the other 1/2 are my ranting on the team. Forget the whole VY/Bush/keep carr debate, this team has made some very bad decisions the past 4 years and I believe I've got the right to express my opinion here. Phew, there I go ranting again. Just wanted you to know that I do have football in my life to some degree and will have it for hopefully the next 20 years as far as my boys go. I'm not just some Houstonian that watched the Rose Bowl and signed up to post VYlove/Carrhate threads. I think he's the BPA. Just like I think you're the BPA as well, Best Poster in Arizona.

cool, i can accept that, but the constant Carr bashing I think hides your football knowledge. it's okay, but if Carr has a good year next year I want you to be the first in line for crow

 

[KING_HOUSTON]

This is the opinion of a lot of football fans and media guys outside of Texas. It's good to hear the opinion of others who are not from this area on our situation. Nice post.

Yeah thats great, since Denver fans have to watch this team 16 weeks out of the season!!

 

[HOOK'EM]

...........just get da BUSH!