Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

[Say Watt]

Please, please, PUH-LEEZE tell me you aren't trying to compare the trials and tribulations of The Peyton to Matt Schaub. You absolutely can NOT make that comparison and to even bring something like that up is ludicrous. I would neither consider Manning nor Schaub "good" quarterbacks. The Peyton is probably the greatest QB of our time and the other is the complete polar opposite of that description. Good is somewhere in the middle.

Mr. Burro, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in on message board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Yes! Excellent response, but even better usage of the Billy Madison debate speech. Awesome!

Schaub is a better than average QB. He will never be a great QB. He could possibly become a Super Bowl wining QB but to do that, he needs to be surrounded by a Hall of Fame defense. The 2000 Ravens with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson with Tampa Bay both had some of the greatest defenses to ever play the game. This is the case with most if not all of the average to slightly above average QBs that have won the big game.

That said, I still don't see the Texans winning anything with Gary Kubiak. The guy is just too conservative and too controlling to win at the highest level. I will never give up on the Texans, but I do believe I have given up on Gary Kubiak. Combine him with Matt Schaub, and I just have to be realistic.

 

[thunderkyss]

If our offense requires no more than a game manager to be effective, why on earth did we pay Matt Schaub 60+ million?

If our system required no more than a game manager we wouldn't have. David Carr would still be here.

 

[EllisUnit]

I might get KILLED for saying this, but a cheap Mark Sanchez could be effective in this system next year as we season a rookie qb.

Get the **** out of here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can come back when you learn to keep that mouth clean of sin !

 

[burro]

Agreed with at his best 2009-2011 and the multiple rings part. He's not our best chance for now. He's a proven liability when pressured in the pocket. Our line is adding to his liability and it's high time Kubiak realizes the need to put someone back there that can actually withstand slight pressure on a regular basis.

It's almost as if Kubiak sees Schaub as an extension of himself and is too proud to take himself out of a game he's been out of already since 1983.

To say he's not our best chance at getting to a SB is to say that there is something better available. Yates is a known quantity, not an improvement. Do we make the big move for Josh Freeman (who apparently takes prescription amphetamines, presumably for ADD...explaining a lot about him). VY is available! Any takers? Didn't think so. What about a second shot for Matt Hot Tub? Or better still, why not hire Jamarcus Russell? He can just eat the opposing defenses. Or not. There's room for a Carr joke too, but even I'm not that morbid.

That leaves only Keenum as a semi-legitimate option if you pull Scahub, and that's a Hail Mary, a Hail Mary we don't need to throw 4 games into the season.

I do agree with the last part though, Schaub and Kubiak are a set...their wagons are hitched together. If Schaub is a failure, so is Kubiak. It makes sense that Kubiak wouldn't want to bench him. If he does, he's essntially waving the white flag on his era in Houston.

 

[houstonspartan]

I'm embarrassed to be part of such an ignorant fan base.

Kubiak runs one of the most complex offenses in the NFL and it's widely regarded by defensive players and coaches and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for. Considering the Texans are near the top of the league in offense basically every single year, how can any of you dispute that just because Seattle players orally stimulated their coach after guessing one play correctly?

If Kubiaggie Stupiak was so predictable and incompetent, why did his offense march up and down the field on the #1 defense in the NFL?

Sigh. Goatcheese is back to his "let's give Kubiak a lifetime extension, and never hold him accountable" nonsense.

The modern NFL really only takes 4, maybe 5 years to turn a team around and win a Super Bowl. Yet, Kubiak is on year 8, and it's ok?

If you really want to see ignorant, grab a mirror.

Good grief.

 

[burro]

Sigh. Goatcheese is back to his "let's give Kubiak a lifetime extension, and never hold him accountable" nonsense.

The modern NFL really only takes 4, maybe 5 years to turn a team around and win a Super Bowl. Yet, Kubiak is on year 8, and it's ok?

If you really want to see ignorant, grab a mirror.

Good grief.

That's a bit of an over generalization. Building a team into a contender in 4-5 years is doable, but 'SB in 5 or GTFO' is nonsense. Bill Cowher was HC for 11 years until he reached that second SB and won, if you're only counting wins - 15 years before a SB win.

 

[thunderkyss]

I do agree with the last part though, Schaub and Kubiak are a set...their wagons are hitched together. If Schaub is a failure, so is Kubiak. It makes sense that Kubiak wouldn't want to bench him. If he does, he's essntially waving the white flag on his era in Houston.

Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.

 

[busterspencer]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...b-couldnt-audible-out-of-very-very-poor-play/

I am not sure it is mistrust.. I think it is Kube wanting to run the whole show and I love Kube but he has to give his QB some discretion.

 

[busterspencer]

Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.

I think Kube is too quick to take the blame for some of his players. It just happens so often that it seems fake. I wonder what Smith and McNair are hearing...Maybe alot different than what we are hearing...

 

[htownfan32]

Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.

Because like it or not, Kubes is a steady guy who doesn't pander to the whims of a fanbase suffering from multiple personality disorder. Hell, I get madder and start talking nonsense more than I have a right to on my own. He's not gonna drop Schaub, and if he does at all it will be, barring some extreme circumstance like a 7 interception game, at the end of the season. And even though the angry part of me is calling for the benching of Schaub, deep down I know Kubes is right. Schaub is a known quantity, even if he has been crappy lately.

However, you can bet good money Rick Smith is taking a good look at the QB draft class of 2013. Kubes might be the good old Coach, but our GM has nerves of ice and won't hesitate to axe anyone who's standing in the way of this team's goal.

 

[SchaubApologist]

Get the **** out of here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can come back when you learn to keep that mouth clean of sin !

HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
Arm Strength: Sanchez
Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
Pocket Presence: Sanchez
Leadership: Schaub
Experience: Schaub

Lets-Do-This

 

[Lucky]

Butt Fumbles: Sanchez
GQ Photo Shoots: Sanchez
Hair Bands: Sanchez

Need I say more?

 

[Lurvinator11]

HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
Arm Strength: Sanchez
Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
Pocket Presence: Sanchez
Leadership: Schaub
Experience: Schaub

Lets-Do-This

2013 IR: Sanchez

 

[burro]

Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.

He could try to cut that cord, but who wouldn't see through it as a pressured CYA move? Kubiak loses the locker room when he decides to dump a guy he's invested a lot of time, confidence, and work into.

Who now, that we would have a realistic chance of signing or trading for, does Schaub get booted for? Who gives us a better chance of making the playoffs this year? Kubiak's job is to put the best players available on the field and utilize them properly in the game plan, as such he is stuck with Schaub until a better alternative emerges (it's not going to be this year).

 

[leebigeztx]

He doesn't read defenses well. He doesn't go through progressions well. He doesn't see wide open receivers well. Why would you not believe that he does not have the ability to recognize what play to call in an audible?

Pretty much.That ball shouldn't have ever been thrown. Sherman didn't even run with andre. He just stood there in front of daniels and waited for schaub to serve up the int. Just like I said when they tried to blame hopkins on that pick 6 vs titans. Hopkins was reading the cb while schaub was predetermined where he was going. Had schaub read it right,hopkins would've had a bomb in the works. Instead,it was easy to blame the rookie.

 

[infantrycak]

Just like I said when they tried to blame hopkins on that pick 6 vs titans. Hopkins was reading the cb while schaub was predetermined where he was going. Had schaub read it right,hopkins would've had a bomb in the works. Instead,it was easy to blame the rookie.

Who is they? The commentator immediately said Hopkins made the mistake.

 

[Malloy]

Who is they? The commentator immediately said Hopkins made the mistake.

I think that was his point. Commentators blamed KHopkins, but actually it was Schaub.

 

[thunderkyss]

I think Kube is too quick to take the blame for some of his players. It just happens so often that it seems fake. I wonder what Smith and McNair are hearing...Maybe alot different than what we are hearing...

I think there was a time for it. Back in '06-'09 they were a gelatinous goo... they needed a leader & all we had was Kubiak.

Right now, either Matt can take it or he can't. He doesn't need to be coddled.

By the way, it was great that Matt openly refuted Kubiak's 'it's on me' he owned up to it right after the game. But it makes you wonder what Kubiak thinks of Matt's fortitude.

 

[EllisUnit]

HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
Arm Strength: Sanchez
Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
Pocket Presence: Sanchez
Leadership: Schaub
Experience: Schaub

Lets-Do-This

Proof that this board is losing its mind lays in the post above people. Now dont blame him for his PSSD (Post Schaub Stress Disorder). I have seen many cases of this in the last week or so. The WHO and Texanstalk are trying to find a cure at this time but so far all test/ideals have failed.

Hang in there little buddy

 

[Brisco_County]

I think that was his point. Commentators blamed KHopkins, but actually it was Schaub.

Kubiak put it on Schaub.

 

[eriadoc]

There are a lot of misconceptions out there.
There's no real tendency in the Texans' offensive play call.

Well, there is at least one tendency.

Normal zone bootleg:

Schaub's bootleg:

 

[Dread-Head]

So...Schaub ISN'T the half wit I assumed him to be. Even if he recognizes some kind of jacked up defense on the horizon he CAN'T deviate from the order he's been given? Pardon me but What the Duck?!

Screw it, maybe Schaub aint the problem. Kubiak is blaming the guy HE hand picked and groomed when he won't let that same guy react to changes on the field? That's BULL ISHT! Terry Bradshaw said part of the reason he and the Steelers were successfull circa 1970 something was because he called his own plays. Take that freedom from you're QB and you get a team capable of making it to the play offs but not much further.

 

[GoCoogs]

So it was a bad play call by the coach that was compounded by an even worse decision by the QB.

 

[Porky]

Sage Rosenfels said yesterday that the lack of ability to audible is part and parcel of the west coast offense run by Kubiak. It's not just Schaub. Any QB Gary puts into this system is going to have the same limits. It's designed to be simple, and make the QB react quicker by not giving him as many things to read. You basically have a main option, and one check down option. That's it folks.

Anyone else starting to hate Kubiak and his west coast offense? I think at one time it was brilliant. That time was 1983.

We need a new direction, and Gary is too tied to his system imo.

 

[Double Barrel]

I'm embarrassed to be part of such an ignorant fan base.

Kubiak runs one of the most complex offenses in the NFL and it's widely regarded by defensive players and coaches and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for. Considering the Texans are near the top of the league in offense basically every single year, how can any of you dispute that just because Seattle players orally stimulated their coach after guessing one play correctly?

If Kubiaggie Stupiak was so predictable and incompetent, why did his offense march up and down the field on the #1 defense in the NFL?

I'm not going to argue the bolded, but Sage Rosenfels was on the local radio after his retirement over the summer and basically said the exact opposite.

He said Kubiak's offense is a simplified version of the WCO, and audibles do not have the complexities of other offenses. He was praising it, not calling it out, and said Kubiak's offense is a QB's dream because it's not complicated.

As far as preparation by other defenses, I think that has more to do with personnel than anything else. This offense is from the Bill Walsh WCO tree, which has been a staple in the league for decades.

Just curious (not debate), where did you read that it's one of the most complex offenses and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for? I'm asking for my own education because a QB that was in the system for years has said something completely different.

Hopefully someone has a link to that Sage interview, because I'd like to hear it again to make sure I heard what I heard. There were some posters that talked about it, and I'm pretty sure they came away from the conversation with the same thing I did in the end.

****EDIT: I found it (I think): Kubiak’s Quarterback Has To Be The Best Player On The Field

I'm going to listen again because I want to make sure I'm representing his perspective correctly.

Okay, already at the beginning: "I think he [Kubiak] has one of the easiest offenses to sort of understand and learn in a lot of different ways. He doesn't ask the quarterback to do a lot of changes at the mike declaration, the offensive line, with how they block with certain schemes."

So there is that, an experienced QB in this offense giving us insight.

 

[Rey]

I'm not going to argue the bolded, but Sage Rosenfels was on the local radio after his retirement over the summer and basically said the exact opposite.

He said Kubiak's offense is a simplified version of the WCO, and audibles do not have the complexities of other offenses. He was praising it, not calling it out, and said Kubiak's offense is a QB's dream because it's not complicated.

As far as preparation by other defenses, I think that has more to do with personnel than anything else. This offense is from the Bill Walsh WCO tree, which has been a staple in the league for decades.

Just curious (not debate), where did you read that it's one of the most complex offenses and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for? I'm asking for my own education because a QB that was in the system for years has said something completely different.

Hopefully someone has a link to that Sage interview, because I'd like to hear it again to make sure I heard what I heard. There were some posters that talked about it, and I'm pretty sure they came away from the conversation with the same thing I did in the end.

****EDIT: I found it (I think): Kubiak’s Quarterback Has To Be The Best Player On The Field

I'm going to listen again because I want to make sure I'm representing his perspective correctly.

Okay, already at the beginning: "I think he [Kubiak] has one of the easiest offenses to sort of understand and learn in a lot of different ways. He doesn't ask the quarterback to do a lot of changes at the mike declaration, the offensive line, with how they block with certain schemes."

So there is that, an experienced QB in this offense giving us insight.

I'm pretty familiar with this offense.

I had been saying for a few years that it is very qb friendly because it doesn't ask him to do a whole lot regarding complex reads and calls on a snap to snap basis. Really, beyond that it's player friendly in general. So I don't want to just say Matt has it a bit easier. All those guys do. It makes it easier for WR's to get open, RB's don't have to be top physical specimens, OL don't have to be Joe Thomas. It's part of the reason I love this system. You don't have to be a freak player or a great, greàt player to be look like a star in this system. It's about trusting your steps, using excellent technique and play design.

But truly special players can take it to a whole different level. I'd say Andre is a prime example.

But you can find players that have a specific skill set you like that fits (lateral agility, good vision, ect ) and the system can help make up for some shortcoming(s) they might have.

Specifically regarding the qb, I think Schaub is one of these players that is made to look much better than he actually is. There really is nothing special or unique about his game where he could go beyond being good in this system and become special. The best we can hope for is that he improves his decision making because that's about the only thing he has had going for him.

But if you look at all the scrap heap guys we've had in here that have played well, and the fact that you normally have QB's playing better here than they have anywhere else....I think it becomes clear that the "system" isn't a problem.

Everyone wants to make excuses for Schaub because he's a good guy by all accounts, but the system didn't make him throw that pick six or any others. That was poor decision making.

But yeah, this system isn't all that complex in comparison to some others. Hard to stop though and that's the beauty of it all.

 

[Sway]

Sage Rosenfels said yesterday that the lack of ability to audible is part and parcel of the west coast offense run by Kubiak. It's not just Schaub. Any QB Gary puts into this system is going to have the same limits. It's designed to be simple, and make the QB react quicker by not giving him as many things to read. You basically have a main option, and one check down option. That's it folks.

Anyone else starting to hate Kubiak and his west coast offense? I think at one time it was brilliant. That time was 1983.

We need a new direction, and Gary is too tied to his system imo.

Would it really be THAT difficult to bring in audibles??? Even if one run, and one other pass option? Seems to me that kubs has ZERO faith in schaub -otherwise he'd give him the ability to audible. I'm not liking this at ALL. I'm upset with offense as a whole, regardless of the pointless yardage we've put up.

 

[EllisUnit]

Would it really be THAT difficult to bring in audibles??? Even if one run, and one other pass option? Seems to me that kubs has ZERO faith in schaub -otherwise he'd give him the ability to audible. I'm not liking this at ALL. I'm upset with offense as a whole, regardless of the pointless yardage we've put up.

If yardage only won you superbowls

 

[Texan_Bill]

Would it really be THAT difficult to bring in audibles??? Even if one run, and one other pass option? Seems to me that kubs has ZERO faith in schaub -otherwise he'd give him the ability to audible. I'm not liking this at ALL. I'm upset with offense as a whole, regardless of the pointless yardage we've put up.

Hey Sway, good to see you again!

That said, the point is that often they'll call two plays in the huddle and sometimes it comes down to a "check with me". Audibles in the WCO just aren't prevalent. Kubes *ahem* OC Rick Dennison called a bad play. The mistake was to not call a timeout once they realized it was a bad play.

That's on me!

That's on Kubes and yes, that's on Schaub. That's on Don Coryell, Sid Gillman and yes, the master, Bill Walsh himself. It's just a function of the WCO.

Someone earlier brought up a good question and this is (paraphrased) "is the WCO now outdated?" That's a solid, legitmate question (i.e. the "run and shoot" or as Buddy Ryan would suggest the "chuck and duck").

Then again, is it still viable and depends on personnel??

In any event, it is an interesting conversation (In my best Spencer Tillman voice) "to be sure".

 

[ATXtexanfan]

How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.

 

[Grams]

HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
Arm Strength: Sanchez
Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
Pocket Presence: Sanchez
Leadership: Schaub
Experience: Schaub

Lets-Do-This

The QB needs to have some semblance of intelligence. Think Sanchez fails at that.

 

[Texan_Bill]

How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.

Totally agree.

Even HWSNBN would've had the good sense to go down in a fetal position and live to play another down..

WOW!! That really made me nauseous to type that.

 

[bOODRO87]

How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.

May anyone who disagrees with you have the curse of a thousand fleas infesting their pubic area.

 

[Corrosion]

How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.

I cant disagree .... fall down , throw it in the stands ..... anything but a fluttering wounded duck of a pass. Just take the damn sack , let the best punter in football do his thing and give your defense a chance to seal the deal ....

 

[mridge01]

In the huddle, Foster should have demanded Schaub change the play to a running play. Big time players should demand the ball in game time situations.

 

[leebigeztx]

Watched the play again from the all 22. They also broke down the play they ran vs titans. It was a good play call,but a piss poor decision by schaub.

 

[Come On Breh]

how in the world can you have a QB who cant audilbe in year 2013 in the NFL?

That's like an nba franchise who doesnt believe in analytics. You are at a distinct disadvantage strategy wise.

 

[Corrosion]

how in the world can you have a QB who cant audilbe in year 2013 in the NFL?

That's like an nba franchise who doesnt believe in analytics. You are at a distinct disadvantage strategy wise.

Its been discussed dozens of times before on these forums , so many I wonder how this thread got so long , many times that Schaub does have the ability to change a play at the line but that those audibles are set - he can change from a pass to a predetermined run play or from a run to a predetermined pass play.

Kubiak taking the heat for that play is nothing more than deflecting the heat off of the QB and onto the coach.

Bottom line , Schaub should have either taken the sack or thrown the ball out away yet he chose the worst option , throwing a fluttering duck where a defender had a chance to at it and got the worst possible result.

 

[Come On Breh]

Its been discussed dozens of times before on these forums , so many I wonder how this thread got so long , many times that Schaub does have the ability to change a play at the line but that those audibles are set - he can change from a pass to a predetermined run play or from a run to a predetermined pass play.

Kubiak taking the heat for that play is nothing more than deflecting the heat off of the QB and onto the coach.

Bottom line , Schaub should have either taken the sack or thrown the ball out away yet he chose the worst option , throwing a fluttering duck where a defender had a chance to at it and got the worst possible result.

Kubiak's audibles have play restrictions on them and it is seldom used.

How can you even sit there with a straight face and even consider that an audible?

That's like saying im giving my daughter freedom to date but i have to be there with you when you date.

that's what you call fake freedom.

 

[Corrosion]

Kubiak's audibles have play restrictions on them and it is seldom used.

How can you even sit there with a straight face and even consider that an audible?

That's like saying im giving my daughter freedom to date but i have to be there with you when you date.

that's what you call fake freedom.

Point blank , he has the ability to change the play when he sees a defense that isn't favorable to what's been called.


It really doesn't matter either .... sumb!tch never shoulda thrown that ball. Eat the sack and live to play another down. Everybody & their dog understands the simplicity of it.

 

[Come On Breh]

Point blank , he has the ability to change the play when he sees a defense that isn't favorable to what's been called.


It really doesn't matter either .... sumb!tch never shoulda thrown that ball. Eat the sack and live to play another down. Everybody & their dog understands the simplicity of it.

well yea, if you want to be literal about it, sure its an audible.

but philosophically speaking, its not. Audibles shoudlnt have restrictions on it.

It really defeats the purpose of it.

 

[Scooter]

well yea, if you want to be literal about it, sure its an audible.

but philosophically speaking, its not. Audibles shoudlnt have restrictions on it.

It really defeats the purpose of it.

you hear the word audible and picture peyton manning. go back and re-read this thread, and then listen to clips of sage rosenfels talking about kubiaks' system, and then go research the west coast offense. this is not a pre-snap "ok you go there, and you go there, and you do this" offense. it's not one where the quarterback draws something up in the dirt or they get to the line and look to the sideline like chip kelly's failing college scheme.

the audibles are built into the play itself, with an option to check into another such play before the snap. once schaub begins his cadence and sends a man in motion, the play is set and that's what gets run. there's no "let's make something up" option. it's done this way for a reason. we run many variations from very few formations each game, all designed to look the same with different results. you cant start moving players around and changing as you go pre-snap.

kubiak is falling on the sword for schaub because schaub didnt check out of the play because he missed the defensive alignment, and/or failed to do his job as a veteran of executing the play as called. in this case meaning take the sack or throw it away.

 

[Corrosion]

you hear the word audible and picture peyton manning. go back and re-read this thread, and then listen to clips of sage rosenfels talking about kubiaks' system, and then go research the west coast offense. this is not a pre-snap "ok you go there, and you go there, and you do this" offense. it's not one where the quarterback draws something up in the dirt or they get to the line and look to the sideline like chip kelly's failing college scheme.

the audibles are built into the play itself, with an option to check into another such play before the snap. once schaub begins his cadence and sends a man in motion, the play is set and that's what gets run. there's no "let's make something up" option. it's done this way for a reason. we run many variations from very few formations each game, all designed to look the same with different results. you cant start moving players around and changing as you go pre-snap.

kubiak is falling on the sword for schaub because schaub didnt check out of the play because he missed the defensive alignment, and/or failed to do his job as a veteran of executing the play as called. in this case meaning take the sack or throw it away.

Someone has had this conversation before .....

 

[thunderkyss]

If yardage only won you superbowls

We're top 10 in points as well. It's just a matter of when we score those points & against who.

 

[thunderkyss]

In the huddle, Foster should have demanded Schaub change the play to a running play. Big time players should demand the ball in game time situations.

That's it.

Yeah... lets go with that. When Schaub faked the handoff, Arian should have just grabbed the ball & ran with it.

 

[thunderkyss]

Bottom line , Schaub should have either taken the sack or thrown the ball out away yet he chose the worst option , throwing a fluttering duck where a defender had a chance to at it and got the worst possible result.

I don't think Schaub should have thrown the ball.... at least not like he threw it. He had a guy in his face & he panicked. Hard to see, but it looked like Andre was behind the defense. If he would have tossed it over Andre's head, he'd look like a hero now.

That said, the defender had no play what-so-ever on that ball without running through Owen Daniels.... again same thing happened against Baltimore.

 

[76Texan]

Here's a WCO playbook.
There's a section on audibles if any one is interested in.

http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/chris/westcoast/wco.pdf

 

[76Texan]

Here's a look at how Joe Montana operated the audibles.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-12-14/sports/8704030212_1_49ers-quarterback-coach-split-end-mike-wilson-audibles

A few things to note:

It mentioned a run that Montana checked into a slant.
That's the built-in audible of the WCO that we've been talking about.

It's not free-lancing where Montana will call any play that he wants.
Each week, he and the coaches would go over a plan where they pick out a few plays that Montana can audible to, if and only if he sees certain defensive formation.
This, we're not sure whether the Texans are doing with Schaub or not.
The times we saw "miscommunication" between Schaub and the receivers/TEs, were possibilities of audibles.

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Another aspect of Kubiak's WCO that I've discussed before is the liberal use of "motion" and "multi-formations". The Texans do this a whole lot more than the Broncos (when Kubiak was their OC).

"Motion" is another built-in audible.
When we talk about "multi-formations", it means that the Texans had more plays that they plan for a particular week than their opponents.
This reduces the "need" to call a "real" audible.
When players need to remember their assignment on so many plays already, as a coach, you don't want to further complicate the game plan.

 

[Come On Breh]

you hear the word audible and picture peyton manning. go back and re-read this thread, and then listen to clips of sage rosenfels talking about kubiaks' system, and then go research the west coast offense. this is not a pre-snap "ok you go there, and you go there, and you do this" offense. it's not one where the quarterback draws something up in the dirt or they get to the line and look to the sideline like chip kelly's failing college scheme.

the audibles are built into the play itself, with an option to check into another such play before the snap. once schaub begins his cadence and sends a man in motion, the play is set and that's what gets run. there's no "let's make something up" option. it's done this way for a reason. we run many variations from very few formations each game, all designed to look the same with different results. you cant start moving players around and changing as you go pre-snap.

kubiak is falling on the sword for schaub because schaub didnt check out of the play because he missed the defensive alignment, and/or failed to do his job as a veteran of executing the play as called. in this case meaning take the sack or throw it away.

sorry, not gonna listen to another back up quarterback.

With Schaub and Kubiak, ive had my fill of back up QBs.

Having restrictions on audibles just defeats the purpose of it. Its more advantageous to have more options.

 

[eriadoc]

sorry, not gonna listen to another back up quarterback.

Well, when you get to be as knowledgeable about their system as a practice squad player, we'll start listening to you.