kubiak promises to be aggressive in all 3 phases

[texan279]

The W/L record reflects on the entire team. Not just the QB, RB, D, SP, etc. Everyone on the team is responsible. Blaming just the QB in this situation when the entire team is responsible is the definition of "scapegoat."

You and I understand this, I am just trying to figure out what point thunder is trying to get across....here is his first post in this thread....

I agree with Kubiak, "that position is about success" more than any other position on the field, the teams W-L is a reflection of the QB. David hasn't had a lot of success at the position. It's not all his fault. Still, he feels it more than anyone else. Surely David isn't used to loosing..... well, we hope he isn't. Kubiak's got to find out if he is strong enough to internalize those losses, and rise above them.
Personally I feel if David thinks those are not his losses, then he needs to go. A leader would own those losses, whether they are his or not.

Reading articles like this also make me feel good about Kubiak, and the possibility that Carr may be here to stay............... I stand by my opinion, however, that he isn't worth the $10 million it will cost us to play him this year.

Here was my reply...

The team's win/loss record is a reflection of the TEAM and the coaching staff, not just the QB...If a team's win/loss record was a reflection of the QB, according to last season I guess Favre and McNabb are some of the worst QB's in the league...

And he replied with this...

I said everything I wanted to say about Wins/losses, you're trying to twist what I intended, and explained. I'm not blaming Carr for every Win/loss. Try to read those words in context with everything I said.

And yes, even with all those problems Favre had this year, his playing was even worse, he was not the HOF QB we expect him to be.

Then I replied with this...

this is what you said
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I agree with Kubiak, "that position is about success" more than any other position on the field, the teams W-L is a reflection of the QB. David hasn't had a lot of success at the position. It's not all his fault. Still, he feels it more than anyone else. Surely David isn't used to loosing..... well, we hope he isn't. Kubiak's got to find out if he is strong enough to internalize those losses, and rise above them.
Personally I feel if David thinks those are not his losses, then he needs to go. A leader would own those losses, whether they are his or not.



Reading articles like this also make me feel good about Kubiak, and the possibility that Carr may be here to stay............... I stand by my opinion, however, that he isn't worth the $10 million it will cost us to play him this year.

You say it relfects the QB, then you say it is not all his fault. Why not just say the win loss record reflects on the team as a whole.

And he replied with this

Because that is far from what I intend to say.

 

[thunderkyss]

The W/L record reflects on the entire team. Not just the QB, RB, D, SP, etc. Everyone on the team is responsible. Blaming just the QB in this situation when the entire team is responsible is the definition of "scapegoat."

First off, I'm not trying to blame anyone... so I said it's not his fault.

But I believe the Quarterback should internalize the team record to a much greater degree than any other player on the team. Which may affect Carr abnormally. Kubiak can't go to him, and say it isn't your fault....... I think that is why McNabb has had such a hard time getting to the Superbowl, and when he got there, the Eagles failed to win. I also believe this is why Brooks is doing so badly in N.O., because he doesn't own up to any of the losses as his fault, and his coach(Haslette) helped foster that idea.

The Coach isn't even on the field, but that W-L record says more about him, than it does any player on the team.... It's about leadership. I think Kubiak understands that, when he says Carr hasn't experienced much success leading his team to wins.