Kubiak on Sports Sunday

[awtysst]

So where do you get your definition. That is not what most people would define as charitable. I see what you mean if you get paid for it, but the emotional tie-in makes no sense to me.

Getting paid for something is a form of payment. Back before we had money there was the barter system where objects were exchanged for goods and services. I have simply extraploated from that point of view. I view feelign good about oneself, a reward, a payment to the self for the work put in. It is my own personal definition and part of the AWTYSST dictionary.

 

[Jack Bauer]

It's an old philosophical argument that people usually get from their prof's.

Sorry, awtysst, I think philosophy classes are one of the most worthless classes offered in college. They prove that you can make an argument out of nothing at all, as we see here. That's about all they prove.

 

[infantrycak]

i respectfully disagree, i've done loads of volunteer work for no reason but to see the look of joy in the faces of the people i've helped. i did meals on wheels, worked the food bank, spent time at retirement homes, and took care of homeless children. i understand your argument, but i personally do not do volunteer work to wear a badge, i do it because i really want to help.

re: sean penn, the man used his clout as a celebrity to his advantage, and i'd like to shake his hand for that.

I agree with you and at the same time by his definition we are wrong. According to the most cynical (to whom charity may not be worth while since there is no such thing) no one can have a selfless act. I'll just hope with the others like you that the benefit time we spent on Meals on Wheels and volunteering in hospitals outweighed the selfish pleasure we derived doing it.

 

[Kathmandu]

Geez, and we thought the VY over Bush or vice versa was controversial. You single handedly made some Raider fan (welcome, by the way who do you like for our team VY or Bush?) become a member. I see where you are going with it but it's a hard thing to sell. Too much outside of the box thinkin'

Thanks ... I bleed Silver & Black but Texans are my #2 ... Sorry.

To answer your question, I would prefer Bush ... but neither will be around when we pick at 6 or 7.

 

[awtysst]

Geez, and we thought the VY over Bush or vice versa was controversial. You single handedly made some Raider fan (welcome, by the way who do you like for our team VY or Bush?) become a member. I see where you are going with it but it's a hard thing to sell. Too much outside of the box thinkin'

To answer your question its neither. I think both of them are good guys and would be great here. However, I think the best course of action is to trade down, pick up Super Mario and extra picks.

I love outside the box thinking!

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

I understand ... I took philosophy in college. Perhaps it's technically correct, but what's the point mentioning it if not to diminish the act by saying ... "yeah but he got a personal benefit out of it."

This is my first time here ... is everyone here so technical?

Yep and welcome.
If you aren't accurate with the info they'll tear you down.
I seems like alot of people think this is an auditioning site for becoming a sports writer for some fish wrap sports mag.

So, who ya like, VY or RB?

 

[awtysst]

Sorry, awtysst, I think philosophy classes are one of the most worthless classes offered in college. They prove that you can make an argument out of nothing at all, as we see here. That's about all they prove.

You might think they are worthless, but to me they are some of the most useful classes you can take. Why? becuase it helps you think, analyse, and form opinion critically. It helps a person stop simply accecpting other people's opinions as fact. It makes you think critically of what your leaders say. It helps you to think and to be. And, along with humor, it is one of tenants of humanity.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

I love outside the box thinking!

Me too, it drives my wife and co-workers nuts. I just try to not do it too much. Ya know, too much of a good thing...yada yada.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I love outside the box thinking!

Outside the box is one thing, but outside the mind is another.

 

[Kathmandu]

Sorry, awtysst, I think philosophy classes are one of the most worthless classes offered in college. They prove that you can make an argument out of nothing at all, as we see here. That's about all they prove.

I have to disagree with that ... philosophy classes are wonderful for giving a person a full perspective on the world. It would not hurt anyopne a bit to be a little philosophical about life. However, in my opinion, this "charitable act" thing, is more about word games or showing off than it is about bringing in a meaningful perspective.

 

[Jack Bauer]

It helps you to think and to be.

There are plenty of other things to worry about in the world...

 

[awtysst]

Outside the box is one thing, but outside the mind is another.

Actually I work with people who "think outside their mind". I agree with you, it is challenging to work with this group, but I do garner a wonderful sense of accomplishment.

 

[awtysst]

I have to disagree with that ... philosophy classes are wonderful for giving a person a full perspective on the world. It would not hurt anyopne a bit to be a little philosophical about life. However, in my opinion, this "charitable act" thing, is more about word games or showing off than it is about bringing in a meaningful perspective.

I am not "trying to show off" it is simply a pet peeve of mine.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I have to disagree with that ... philosophy classes are wonderful for giving a person a full perspective on the world. It would not hurt anyopne a bit to be a little philosophical about life. However, in my opinion, this "charitable act" thing, is more about word games or showing off than it is about bringing in a meaningful perspective.

I just think they can cause someone to become too "philosophical" instead of practical. I guess a class wouldn't hurt, since I took one myself. I just didn't accept what the prof was trying to get across.

 

[awtysst]

I just think they can cause someone to become too "philosophical" instead of practical. I guess a class wouldn't hurt, since I took one myself. I just didn't accept what the prof was trying to get across.

Good. That shows you are thinking critically. You are analyzing what the proff said, thought about it, and came to your own conclusion. THAT is philosphy!

 

[Jack Bauer]

Good. That shows you are thinking critically. You are analyzing what the proff said, thought about it, and came to your own conclusion. THAT is philosphy!

I know, I know. I have completed the circle!

Goodnight everyone!!!

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

End Thread Plz

 

[awtysst]

Allright, thank you everyone for your wonderful discussion and debate. I am through discussing this topic. Good night all!

 

[Kathmandu]

I am not "trying to show off" it is simply a pet peeve of mine.

Sorry ... Didn't really mean that ... bad choice of words.

Major Tom ...

I'd take Bush, but neither will be around when we pick. Not that i have anything against Young, I think he'll be a great pro sooner than people think, but the raiders need help right now at too many positions to have the luxury of taking Young.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Sorry ... Didn't really mean that ... bad choice of words.

Major Tom ...

I'd take Bush, but neither will be around when we pick. Not that i have anything against Young, I think he'll be a great pro sooner than people think, but the raiders need help right now at too many positions to have the luxury of taking Young.

Just remember, bad teams don't have the luxary of picking for need with rd 1 pix, rd 2 for that matter if your team is really bad. You always go best player available no matter what, 'cept for QB if you feel as though you are set there. Example is what if the Texans would've had the #1 pick in their second draft, with Carr already taking Palmer would've been not so smart (although if I knew then what I know now). But all other positions should be filled with the BPA in early pick situations. Preist Holmes and Larry Johnson are a good example.

 

[Speedy]

Ok. Thats fine. In my mind you described an act of kindness and a generous act. I think its a great thing he did, but in my mind charitable also means that the person giving receives no reward at the end. Thats where our definitions differ, i suppose.

Who freaking cares as long as you're helping somebody in need?
Unbelievable!! You people will just jump on anything to tear somebody down.

 

[aj.]

*1st message to team - "Forget 2-14...new system all together with high expectations."

Players have to believe that

That's where not having any leadership in the ranks really hurts.

Coaches can lecture, teach, and attempt to motivate only so much. Not that our previous staff had success with any of that, but if it takes a while for this new system to take hold, it's important for the players to stick together and rally around one or two of their own for once. Of course, that doesn't apply when when the wheels totally fall off like last year - but with a new beginning on the coaching staff comes new opportunities for players as well - and not just on Sunday from 12:00 - 3:00 Central.

As far as his Sports Sunday comments, it sounds like Kubiak has the media thing down pretty good because that's basically what he said on Thursday at the press conference. All these media guys try to outscoop one another but they end up getting the same sound bites.

On a side note, I was watching ESPN Classic yesterday - the first Denver SB win over the Pack - and it was interesting to see how active Kubiak was on the sideline during critical situations. They had Shanahan, Kubiak (sorry but I refuse to call him Kubes - this isn't baseball) and Elway miked up and they were really getting after it, Kubiak especially, on the sideline while discussing strategy, etc., during key game situations. In fact, many times it was Elway and Kubiak going at it while Shanahan stood there and listened.

 

[awtysst]

Who freaking cares as long as you're helping somebody in need?
Unbelievable!! You people will just jump on anything to tear somebody down.

Its unfortunate that you chose to only look at a few words and completely misunderstand my meaning. Oh well, maybe another time.

 

[Sportsfan]

Wow, this has metamorphisized into a VY thread faster than a fart disappears into the wind!

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I never once mentioned television cameras. Ask yourself this, what does it mean to be a "good hearted human"? You say he has a good heart. I never said he didnt. I simply said, that one reaosn people do things is because it makes them feel good. That is the basis for any "charitable act". The fact is, charitable means that the person giving, does not get anything in return. If that is so, then the act of getting satisfaction is something and thus negates the idea of a charitable act. THAT is what I said.

Just consider that a Young VY (8 years old) was hit by a car while on his bike. There could be a connection between a kid giving back.

I am cynical of these things as well, except when the person "donating" their celebrity was once themselves or had a relative in those patients shoes.

 

[chuckm]

ok well that's great and all but .... did Kubiak say anything of note?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

That's where not having any leadership in the ranks really hurts.

Coaches can lecture, teach, and attempt to motivate only so much. Not that our previous staff had success with any of that, but if it takes a while for this new system to take hold, it's important for the players to stick together and rally around one or two of their own for once. Of course, that doesn't apply when when the wheels totally fall off like last year - but with a new beginning on the coaching staff comes new opportunities for players as well - and not just on Sunday from 12:00 - 3:00 Central.

As far as his Sports Sunday comments, it sounds like Kubiak has the media thing down pretty good because that's basically what he said on Thursday at the press conference. All these media guys try to outscoop one another but they end up getting the same sound bites.

On a side note, I was watching ESPN Classic yesterday - the first Denver SB win over the Pack - and it was interesting to see how active Kubiak was on the sideline during critical situations. They had Shanahan, Kubiak (sorry but I refuse to call him Kubes - this isn't baseball) and Elway miked up and they were really getting after it, Kubiak especially, on the sideline while discussing strategy, etc., during key game situations. In fact, many times it was Elway and Kubiak going at it while Shanahan stood there and listened.

Don Coryell said it best, "The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players."

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Good. That shows you are thinking critically. You are analyzing what the proff said, thought about it, and came to your own conclusion. THAT is philosphy!

Dang...missed out participating in this one...good job guys even though it was way off topic.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Dang...missed out participating in this one...good job guys even though it was way off topic.

Sorry about the off-topic slant of this thread AT! Sometimes they just seem to take off on their own!

 

[powerfuldragon]

hey, it was fun while it lasted, no?

the texans should have never let aaron glenn go to the cowboys, i look at that as the point when our defense lost leadership. I'm looking at Dunta to step up and take the helm this year. As far as the offensive leader, we all know it should be Carr, but if he can't then i'd look to someone quiet and mature... like Dre. That's all i have to say.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Sorry about the off-topic slant of this thread AT! Sometimes they just seem to take off on their own!

and that is a good thing. Much more like really sitting around the bar or standing around the water cooler, etc.

 

[Texans_Chick]

1. Here's something from a Chicago paper relating to Kubiak and Young, FWIW:

"His track record with Denver suggests quarterbacks are more valuable than running backs."

2. I found the semantic discussion in this thread interesting. I have to say that personally speaking, it is hard to volunteer at hospitals. It makes you feel good that you could help but at the same time, it is really difficult to see people so sick, especially children. It changes you, maybe benefits you, but it is hard, which is the reason not that many people do it.