MannyFresh
El Capitan
Why is he still a Texan? I see Nick Folk just got cut from Dallas and signed Shaun Suisham....please don't sign Nick Folk!!!
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Kris Brown
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Goatcheese
Texan
Because it's Krismiss time. This is his season.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
I was researching to see if there were any younger Gramatica's on the horizon, or if Steve Christie has a son out there now kicking....someone other than Kris Brown.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
What round do good kickers typically get drafted in? Hunter Lawrence can make clutch FG's, I want him. Might also help us get some support from Austin.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Nick Folk got cut? Damn. I didn't know that. Give Jerry Jones some credit for doing what needs to be done, I suppose.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Heaven forbid the Texans actually do something about an underperforming player during the season. We'll just wait until the offseason - as usual.
Give me a break.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
please get hunter lawrence
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Wow, a Pro Bowl kicker cut??? Then what's Kris Brown doing in a Texans uni?
texanfan2002114
Veteran
Kubes was asked today on his show on 610am about Kris Brown and his words were that the " Texans have a lot invested in Kris and he is our kicker." So I looked up his contract and forgot he signed an extention during the summer and now I understand why we haven't looked for a new kicker yet. McNair doesn't want to waste anymore money on another kicker while he has one on the roster threw 2013 and the $2.5 million guranteed.
6/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1611
6/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1611
MannyFresh
El Capitan
So he's the Texan's version of Matt Maloney...
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
oh my..
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Its a shame that we can no longer depend on our kicker. We could really use some clutch FGs these next 2 games...
houstonspartan
All Pro
Look, I know we have a lot invested in him, but he's not doing his job. I'm assuming McNair also wants W's...
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Why anyone every gives a kicker a 4 year extension is beyond me. These guys are all just a couple of big misses away from developing permayips. It's not like you can't find a dozen free agents at any point.
I don't think I could watch the field if he came in to kick a game winner against the Patriots that would send us to the playoffs. I'd hope for a make, but I don't know if his psyche could handle the pressure.
texanfan2002114
Veteran
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
houstonspartan
All Pro
Looks like you had some foresight. I wasn't posting on here back then.
I like Kris, but enough already. I know he's an Original Texan, and that's a cute story, but he's messing up a bit too much.
Say what you want about Jerry Jones, but, he would have cut Kris Brown MONTHS ago, new contract be damned.
Ranger Tom
All Pro
I just want to know why he was automatic from 50 yards last season and a crapshoot now. Where did his mojo go?
houstonspartan
All Pro
Pressure. The Texans had a lot on the line this season. For the first time. He knew every kick was critical. Maybe he couldn't handle it.
Joe Texan
Inducted 04
Worry about Kris Brown and give him the ball inside the 40. If your blaming him for the 45 - 55 misses your out of line. Inside the 40 and he should be money. On the other hand you got Chris Brown trying to get Kris Brown inside the 40 so it is probably not going to happen.
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
We're obiovusly going to need to find somebody named Cris Brown now.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Kris Brown has a long, distinguished career of missing kicks. I'm amazed how the fans here are so blissfully unaware how poorly he's done over the years. Counting his last two very good seasons, and discounting this horrible season, he elevated himself from the bottom 10% of kickers in the NFL to the bottom 25% of the NFL. Seriously, so some research on the guy and start comparing him to other kickers that have been around a while.
Kris Brown has a 77.8% career average, and that's after two very good years to elevate that number. Most kickers that stick around a while kick in the 80s easily.
Kris Brown has a 77.8% career average, and that's after two very good years to elevate that number. Most kickers that stick around a while kick in the 80s easily.
texanfan2002114
Veteran
Just for you Joe!
20-29 yards 10/12
30-39 yards 6/8
40-49 yards 1/5
50+ 2/3
19 out of 28 for 68%. The thing that bothers me the most is that Kris Brown is 3 out of 6 in the 4th quarter. When he is paid to make kicks, he doesn't. He should be 6 for 6!
houstonspartan
All Pro
I'll be honest and say I was one of the clueless unaware. I just always thought of Kris as Mr. Money Shot. Then, when he started missing kicks this year I started doing research on him and WOA!!
Kris had better hope that Cowher doesn't come here. Cower would give him the ax - again.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? ot low confidence?
Maybe a bad snap, or bad placement? Just sayin! Takes three people to pull off an accurate kick, not counting the rest of the team. I haven't looked at replays, so I really don't know.
The Cowpies and (I believe) Ravens have brought in new kickers after the guy's they had didnt get it done .
The excuse the guy's on the radio (I think it was 610) gave for the Texans not bringing in some competition was that there isnt a better kicker on the street ....At the rate Brown is missing FG's , I find that hard to believe. Right now Kris Brown is very bad , there needs to be some accountability.
As much as we like to think they are just liquored up ***** kickers - they are too important to the success or failure of a team to miss as often (dont forget 3 blocks this season) as Kris Brown has.
Tedc
Hardheaded
KB has been a good kicker with some really nice game winning kicks for us and it is a shame to see what is happening. I have enjoyed the way he has played since the first season, giving up his body on plays that other kickers would not.
That been said, the Texans must look for a kicker in the offseason in order to make the next step.
That been said, the Texans must look for a kicker in the offseason in order to make the next step.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
You think he's still here because he's a team captain?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? ot low confidence?
Kickers are like golfers. They get the "yips".... It's either in his head, or his swing is out of kilter.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
He's here because he did well last season. This year? Not so much.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Right. Kickers can cost you games. Folk already had cost the Cowboys a few leads and in the end tie ball games. It is a seriously lame excuse to say there is no one better. When your guy sucks and it is in his head, another guy with a similar skill set may be in a better place. The Cowboys signed Suisam. He did miss twice against the Cowboys and against the Saints that cost them the game. But those were his only misses and he was 18 of 21 on the year. Not horrible.
Hip surgery. The problem is that he says he feels fine and is healthy. And his distance is great. I think it is in his head. That is why they were thinking of putting him on IR...so they could work with him in the off-season. Just couldn't swing it.
Grams
Veteran
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? or low confidence?
How much confidence does the coach have in him when he can't even watch a field goal attenpt. Sooner or later that is going to get into one's head.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Signed a deal/ extension in June of this year. The deal is through 2013, worth $10 million with $2.5 of that being guaranteed. Other than that I don't know too much about his contract situation.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kubiak doesn't watch any game deciding plays and hasn't for over a decade. It is no comment on Kris Brown.
So what is it - Are they snake bit or are they just not quite good enough ? I have a tough time answering that question.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
This reminds me of when I watched a Raymond Berry highlight reel from when he played WR for John Unitas and the Colts. Dude was phenomenal. Made some real circus catches.
His teammates always asked him how he made so many lucky catches.
He said "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."
One things for sure this season....the Texans have had plenty of opportunity.
Yes they have had plenty of opportunity and just havent been able to make a play - in most cases they were "in position" to make a play and just didnt get it done - dropped balls , fumbles , missed fg's .... The more I think about it , the more I think they just arent that good. If they were , they would make a damn play to win a game here and there.
When they were losing 4 straight they were missing their two starting OG's and OD. Right now they are missing 3/5th's of their starting OL as well as Slaton and OD on offense and have beaten a couple bad teams - I get the idea its a talent issue.
Corrosion said:
Well, I'm going to discount snake bit. I'm not going to attribute eight or four year patterns to bad luck.
It is pretty obvious that Kris Brown needs replaced to give the Texans their best chance to succeed. Why isn't he? It appears he will get to finish out the year, even though the Texans are still in the playoff hunt with no margin for errors. The Texans are leaving the door open for another missed field goal - a very foreseeable missed field goal - costing them what little chance they have. He and his wife are nice people. Is it because he's a nice guy he's kept? Is it just that the Texans have glacial decision making? Is it blind hope that he gets better because he's a Texan? Is it because of the good things he's done that the bad results are seen as anomalies, even though they are more of a pattern?
I think these same questions can be asked about Kubiak. He's had a year below the medicore standard he has set for himself, but he is most likely coming back. Is he really getting better, or is it just hope?
I think the team as a whole is viewed much the same way. The average results are seen as improvement because the good is rated more highly than the bad in hopes that the bad are anomalies i think the same bad things happen too frequently to be anything but a pattern.
I called keeping Brown a microcosm of the Texans organization because it highlights the plodding decision making and the "good is good enough" corporate culture. Excellence is too high a goal, or striving for excellence is just too hard.
Does the Texans organization "want" to have winning seasons and long playoff runs? Absolutely.
Is the Texans orgainzation committed to doing everything it takes to reach that goal? Not that I've seen.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
More than likely it's that extension that he got in June of this year.