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Kiper's Latest Mock (top 16)

Buckle said:
How do you know that, are you an NFL talent scout?? Maybe Brown is a good value to the Texans at #8. Perhaps they feel that he can truly become a dominant LT in this league! Lets face it no one knows what or who the Texans are focusing in on in the 1st round except them, and I would even say that they aren't even completely sure who they have ranked out where yet, we still have a couple months of evaluation before they will know all the measurables. I am in the drafting AP if he is available at #8 BUT we also have to consider that if he isn't there that maybe they have Brown and a players such as Okoye, Landry and Nelson graded out the same, it would make sense to take Brown since the tackle talent is lacking this year and we are in desperate need of O-Line help, and the chances of a top tier safety prospect falling to us in the 2nd is higher than a top tier O-Line talent!
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That's what's called reaching my friend!! Levi COULD be a big hit. Nobody knows about Levi. I'm pretty sure Rick Smith knows that Okoye, Landry and Nelson are all BETTER picks than Brown at #8. Heck, if Calvin Johnson, hypothetically speaking, dropped to #8 are you saying that Levi will be our guy over Calvin??? i don't think so.
 
Buckle said:
How do you know that, are you an NFL talent scout?? Maybe Brown is a good value to the Texans at #8. Perhaps they feel that he can truly become a dominant LT in this league! Lets face it no one knows what or who the Texans are focusing in on in the 1st round except them, and I would even say that they aren't even completely sure who they have ranked out where yet, we still have a couple months of evaluation before they will know all the measurables. I am in the drafting AP if he is available at #8 BUT we also have to consider that if he isn't there that maybe they have Brown and a players such as Okoye, Landry and Nelson graded out the same, it would make sense to take Brown since the tackle talent is lacking this year and we are in desperate need of O-Line help, and the chances of a top tier safety prospect falling to us in the 2nd is higher than a top tier O-Line talent!
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I agree. besides if the Texans where targeting a specific player why would they let other teams know thats who they were interested in?
 
I didn't say that Brown was a better player than CJ, nor did I say he was even a top 5 player in the draft! CJ is depending on who you ask the 1st or 2nd best player in the draft! Sooo, realistically there is NO, and I repeat NO chance he falls to us at 8 so its a mute point! I said that he could be rated the SAME as Landry, Nelson, or Okoye! All three of those players have also had knocks on their game as well, and all COULD be a BIG HIT as well, OR could turn into busts! That is the beauty and downfall of a draft, you are taking players based on prediction!! And how do you know that Richard Smith thinks they are all rated higher?? Do you have him on speed dial and talk to him every night??? From everything I have been hearing about Brown is that with his impressive Senior Bowl and his hard work ethic shown (went in early and stayed late after practice to get extra work done with the coaches) and a good combine could very well be a top 10 pick! From the videos I have seen of Brown he seems to be a very good, agile blocker with good hand placement and foot movement. Him taking that extra time with NFL coaches shows me that he has the determination to get it done on the next level, can the same be said about all these other players???
 
thunderkyss said:
If Peterson makes it past Cleveland/Detroit, then he'll likely be available at #8, barring some trade. All these Mock guys are using BPA with an eye on need, but not the emphasis a desperate fan(GM) would have on need.

That's why you see Jamarcus Russell going to Oakland in many drafts, and Calvin Johnson in others..... CJ is the BPA in this draft..... but some folks see a desperate need for the Raiders to get a rookie QB now.

Let's say Atlanta, who has desperately needed an Elite WR for the last 7 years decides to deal Matt Shaub for Porter & Moss... just sayin....... how likely is it that the Raiders will take Russell??

So there is always a need factor.

Levi has been impressing everybody since the Senior Bowl... throw in a good combine, and we won't be the only people looking at him.


That is if we are even looking at him to begin with.
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That would mean the Vick would have two new guys he couldn't hit fifty percent of the time ? No Big Al is the star of this show..he's lovin' it. He's looking for two ones and two twoes just like we were last year.

Who knows maybe this stuff is coming from the Brownies to stoke up the three figguring they can move down a couple and still get their guy. It's that time of year..take every thing you hear with a grain of salt.


I don't know for a fact that the Texans are looking at Levi. What I do know is anything past the first round is Seth Wand stuff. Levi, with or with out Spencer, plugs a five year old need. How much that need is a festering wound is open to interpratation. We ain't getting better till we fix it.
 
kastofsna said:
1. Oakland Raiders, JaMarcus Russell*QB
2. Detroit Lions, Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech
4. Cleveland Browns, Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma
5. Arizona Cardinals, Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6. Washington Redskins, Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas
7. Minnesota Vikings, Ted Ginn Jr.*, WR, Ohio State
8. Houston Texans, Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9. Miami Dolphins, Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10. Atlanta Falcons, LaRon Landry, S, LSU
11. San Francisco 49ers, Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan
12. Buffalo Bills, Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
13. St. Louis Rams, Charles Johnson*, DE, Georgia
14. Carolina Panthers, Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
15. Pittsburgh Steelers, Jarvis Moss*, DE, Florida
16. Green Bay Packers, Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California
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It wouldn't surprise me to see us take Brown but personally, I'd like to see us take a chance and pick up Joe Staley in the second round. From what I understand, he had a solid Senior Bowl.

Given this board, I would rather us take Landry, Branch or Okoye before I'd take Brown. Maybe even Quinn, too.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;592225 said:
Kastofsna probably thinks this mock is insane. Considering Mel has JR going #1 overall.
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Your probably right about that.

One thing Kastofsna is right about - the Tampa Bay coaching staff went "ga ga" over Okoye at the Senior Bowl. I doubt he gets past them at #4.
 
Navy_Chris said:
That's what's called reaching my friend!! Levi COULD be a big hit. Nobody knows about Levi. I'm pretty sure Rick Smith knows that Okoye, Landry and Nelson are all BETTER picks than Brown at #8. Heck, if Calvin Johnson, hypothetically speaking, dropped to #8 are you saying that Levi will be our guy over Calvin??? i don't think so.
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Okoye is pretty much in the same boat as Levi...... relatively untalked about until the Senior Bowl...... top 15 before the Draft...... maybe top 20. Their stock is rising.

Leron Landry... Reggie Nelson haven't really moved much, though I thought Leron's blah-blah performance against ND would've caused a little stir in the pot. Plus the possibility that we may have a shot at Chris Houston in the second makes the value of Landry & Nelson kinda.... eh.

If Calvin Johnson is there, just like Peterson, conventional wisdom says to take him. Doesn't mean that we would.... we are one of the few teams(I think) that could trade down from that spot, if he was there.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;592225 said:
Kastofsna probably thinks this mock is insane. Considering Mel has JR going #1 overall.
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Considering he'll get Brady Quinn out of it...... largely due to JR going #1 overall, he probably loves it.
 
i'm just stunned that people--people who know the draft well, no less--keep predicting the raiders to draft a QB.
 
kastofsna said:
i'm just stunned that people--people who know the draft well, no less--keep predicting the raiders to draft a QB.
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I was thinking the same thing a few minutes ago when I was looking at Our Lads mock draft. Yes, Andrew Walter struggled last year, but he was a rookie. The Raider's will give him at least one more year to prove him self, maybe two.

I really wish they would put reasons down for the picks.
 
I saw that Mel Kiper has a OT out of penn state coming to the texans for the first pick.(levi Brown)......I don't like Kiper at all, but do yall think they would pick him up for the first pick?
 
I think Tony Ugoh is equivalent to Levi Brown. Us picking Brown at 8 is more of a reach than us getting Travis Johnson a few years back.


I think Tony Ugoh would be a great 3rd round pick. My coach in highschool trained Tony Ugoh. His freshmen year he was 180 pounds, skinny tall kid, and turned him into a 305 senior all state linemen. Tony Ugoh obviously has a great work ethic, and his is an athletic offensive tackle (athletic linemen is what we look for in our scheme, ask alex gibbs, the innovator of the west coast offense). The reason why I bring Ugoh up, is because Brown is what we must avoid for linemen, the big ones that can't move well. I am almost 100% positive that Kubiak knows this and that we won't take brown. That is why I think Mel Kiper is retarded...and is HORRIBLE at projecting drafts, and prospecting players.
 
and soon jamarcus russell will get the same amount of time with another team, and yet he will still start just because he was a top 10 pick. sad. hopefully not with miami, although that certainly makes the most sense at this point.
 
Buckle said:
I didn't say that Brown was a better player than CJ, nor did I say he was even a top 5 player in the draft! CJ is depending on who you ask the 1st or 2nd best player in the draft! Sooo, realistically there is NO, and I repeat NO chance he falls to us at 8 so its a mute point! I said that he could be rated the SAME as Landry, Nelson, or Okoye! All three of those players have also had knocks on their game as well, and all COULD be a BIG HIT as well, OR could turn into busts! That is the beauty and downfall of a draft, you are taking players based on prediction!! And how do you know that Richard Smith thinks they are all rated higher?? Do you have him on speed dial and talk to him every night??? From everything I have been hearing about Brown is that with his impressive Senior Bowl and his hard work ethic shown (went in early and stayed late after practice to get extra work done with the coaches) and a good combine could very well be a top 10 pick! From the videos I have seen of Brown he seems to be a very good, agile blocker with good hand placement and foot movement. Him taking that extra time with NFL coaches shows me that he has the determination to get it done on the next level, can the same be said about all these other players???
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This is absolutely ridiculous that I'm even having this conversation. Levi Brown IS NOT a better pick at #8 that Okoye.....Landry....Nelson. Who cares if he fills an immediate need for us? He's simply not the better player available and it would be ANOTHER bad first round pick if we took him.

Plus, Bob McNair recently discussed some need areas for this team. Offensive Line wasn't specifically mentioned. I'm not saying that he won't consider 1 or 2 in the draft, but not in the first round...no way. I can see maybe Justin Blalock, Tony Ugoh or Brandon Frye coming our way in the later rounds....but our 1st round pick has to be a home run. We can't afford to spend it on a hit-or-miss guy (such as Levi Brown).
 
Navy_Chris said:
This is absolutely ridiculous that I'm even having this conversation. Levi Brown IS NOT a better pick at #8 that Okoye.....Landry....Nelson. Who cares if he fills an immediate need for us? He's simply not the better player available and it would be ANOTHER bad first round pick if we took him.

Plus, Bob McNair recently discussed some need areas for this team. Offensive Line wasn't specifically mentioned. I'm not saying that he won't consider 1 or 2 in the draft, but not in the first round...no way. I can see maybe Justin Blalock, Tony Ugoh or Brandon Frye coming our way in the later rounds....but our 1st round pick has to be a home run. We can't afford to spend it on a hit-or-miss guy (such as Levi Brown).
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If when the Texans pick Jamaal Anderson and Gaines Adams are gone, then
maybe they will trade down. It will be interesting to see all these Draft Values adjust after the combine. For instance, on one Mock Draft I saw Victor Abiamiri picked 64th overall and another has him picked 19th overall.

I believe Justin Blalock will go in the First Round, so it is wishful thinking to suggest picking him in the later rounds.
 
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