Kiper likes Schaub over Romo

[GP]

I'm sure some of that was true. But if you remember what that OL was like when Bledsoe was taking the snaps, you've got to agree that they weren't any better than ours(They gave up 37 sacks, even though Romo dodged a dozen). Romo was having to deal with things on a regular basis, that he shouldn't have to. Much like David.

If the OL improves, & Romo only has to be Romo every now and then, and not every play.

You know what, the more I look at these sort of topics that involve QBs and O lines...the more I think that the o line's level of success is in direct proportion to the level of the QB's ability to produce on an ongoing basis.

Show me an o line that is struggling to keep the QB upright, and I'll show you a QB who isn't (a) effectively reading defenses pre-snap, and (b) getting rid of the ball to the best WR/TE/RB available for that specific play.

Bledsoe IS a statue, but he also needs what seems to be an eternity in the pocket just to get rid of the ball. Once he does, he's extremely lethal and can hit his target--don't get me wrong--as opposed to Peyton and Tom Brady who seem to be winging the ball sometimes even before they hit their last step on their dropback.

I dunno guys....the more I think about it, the more I read stuff on here, the less I am inclined to lay blame on an o line. The play of the QB can make an o line look Pro Bowl caliber.

I mean, how much separation is there when you get right down to it? Show me teams that have QBs getting sacked all the time, or teams that are ranked last in pass offense. etc., and I bet you'll see teams whose QB is not exactly the best in the world.

Cleveland...

Miami...

Houston...

Oakland...

Get the picture?

 

[Please_Evolve]

You know what, the more I look at these sort of topics that involve QBs and O lines...the more I think that the o line's level of success is in direct proportion to the level of the QB's ability to produce on an ongoing basis.

Show me an o line that is struggling to keep the QB upright, and I'll show you a QB who isn't (a) effectively reading defenses pre-snap, and (b) getting rid of the ball to the best WR/TE/RB available for that specific play.

Bledsoe IS a statue, but he also needs what seems to be an eternity in the pocket just to get rid of the ball. Once he does, he's extremely lethal and can hit his target--don't get me wrong--as opposed to Peyton and Tom Brady who seem to be winging the ball sometimes even before they hit their last step on their dropback.

I dunno guys....the more I think about it, the more I read stuff on here, the less I am inclined to lay blame on an o line. The play of the QB can make an o line look Pro Bowl caliber.

I mean, how much separation is there when you get right down to it? Show me teams that have QBs getting sacked all the time, or teams that are ranked last in pass offense. etc., and I bet you'll see teams whose QB is not exactly the best in the world.

Cleveland...

Miami...

Houston...

Oakland...

Get the picture?

Of those 4 teams if you ask me its an unhealthy mixture of both. Though at least Cleveland has went out and tried to improve the line...then injuries happen. Maybe the last two expansion franchises have some bad OL voodoo over them ATM.

 

[Silver Oak]

You could take the argument one step further and question the routes run by the receivers. Are they breaking free of the LOS and running their routes as practiced? Timing is critical and if a qb looks downfield and the guy isn't where he is supposed to be, then he is more likely to force the ball where it isn't smart.

Bottom line...all parts must work together to have a good offense.

 

[thunderkyss]

Show me an o line that is struggling to keep the QB upright, and I'll show you a QB who isn't (a) effectively reading defenses pre-snap, and (b) getting rid of the ball to the best WR/TE/RB available for that specific play.

It is my opinion, that most Pro Bowl Linemen earn that status in the run game. Guys like Salaam can handle Dwight Freeney, Jason Taylor, Demarcus Ware etc.. and not much is going to be said. I mean basically they just stood in front of a guy with bad intentions.

But when You've got a Steve Hutchinson or Walter Jones bowling over DEs & Lbs... making huge holes.. it's really something to watch.

But I've seen Hasselbeck look like Elway in the '05 NFC Championship game. I mean he scrambles because his protection broke down, and it was usually on his left side. Same thing with McNabb.... people talk about how good his line is. Well if they were that good, he wouldn't be one of the most prolific running QBs in this league over the last six years or so.

 

[real]

Romo a beast? He didn't play that well late in the year when teams kept him in the pocket.

I've liked Romo, and thought he was gonna be good when I saw him in a pre-season game two years ago....

JMPO, but I think Romo is going to be a beast....

 

[HoustonFrog]

Of those 4 teams if you ask me its an unhealthy mixture of both. Though at least Cleveland has went out and tried to improve the line...then injuries happen. Maybe the last two expansion franchises have some bad OL voodoo over them ATM.

Cleveland has always bothered me. They were an expansion team when Couch came aboard. They had a front office that screwed up some decisions and they had serious injury problems or hexes as you will that led to a horrible O-line and team. Couch had the same stats as Carr. So how does he get run out on a train and never catches back on and is labeled a bust yet Carr got so much slack and still gets the benefit?There is nothing different about it.

 

[real]

It is my opinion, that most Pro Bowl Linemen earn that status in the run game. Guys like Salaam can handle Dwight Freeney, Jason Taylor, Demarcus Ware etc.. and not much is going to be said. I mean basically they just stood in front of a guy with bad intentions.

But when You've got a Steve Hutchinson or Walter Jones bowling over DEs & Lbs... making huge holes.. it's really something to watch.

But I've seen Hasselbeck look like Elway in the '05 NFC Championship game. I mean he scrambles because his protection broke down, and it was usually on his left side. Same thing with McNabb.... people talk about how good his line is. Well if they were that good, he wouldn't be one of the most prolific running QBs in this league over the last six years or so.

This is the NFL...

There is going to be pressure....

The athletes on defense are too good to not get some kind of pressure if given enough time...

I have yet to see a line who keeps their QB from atleast sliding in the pocket...

 

[Errant Hothy]

Cowboys | Romo no longer holder
Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:21:23 -0700

Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports Dallas Cowboys QB Tony Romo will not be holding for kickers on field goals and extra points next year because he is now the starting quarterback.

There's that problem solved. B. Johnso will be the holder next year.

 

[blockhead83]

Yeah that's because Romo played almost a whole season, compared to Schaub's 2 starts which against the pats he threw for 300 yds and he was a rookie then still learning the offense.Now he's been under the same offense as ours for 3 years.He's more of a physical specimen than romo he's accurate,prpbably has a stronger arm.And above all he'll be under the tutelage of Gary Kubiak.Of course you'll take a guy who's done it over a guy who might do but who would'nt.

Somehow you managed to disagree with my post while still agreeing with it in principle. I tip my hat to you sir.

 

[MATRIX]

Honest answer, it's just that the likelihood of him being better than a pro-bowl quality guy seems much lower than the likelihood of him being worse. It seems to me if he had perennial pro-bowler written all over him, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 3rd round, sat behind a starter for 3 years, and have a 0-2 starters record with a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. A much exaggerated, but analagous situation would be for me to say had I played the lottery last week I would've won. Nobody can tell me I wouldn't have, since I never played, but the odds that I would have would be infinitesimal (that's a huge overstatement, but you get the picture hopefully). The other reason is I tend to be pessimistic as a Texans fan who's had almost every major acquisition in his favorite franchise's existence blow up in his face. It's called learning by association. I'm not saying Schaub is going to suck, I'm just saying I'd be very, and pleasantly, surprised if he came in and played at a pro-bowl level after being a back up for 3 years.

Let me mention a name and see what you say...Tom Brady. Drafted 6th round...and now a multi-SB winner and probably the best big game QB in the NFL. Sure, Manning won a SB...but not alone. Brady did his with A WR playing CB and his WR's being decent at best(most would be 3rd WRs on another team). The D kept them in it, and Brady won.

So, Schaub in the 3rd...3 higher than Brady. Schaub has all the tools, and Romo might just be a 1 yr wonder...I saw as you did watching him alot of unsure moments.

 

[blockhead83]

Let me mention a name and see what you say...Tom Brady. Drafted 6th round...and now a multi-SB winner and probably the best big game QB in the NFL. Sure, Manning won a SB...but not alone. Brady did his with A WR playing CB and his WR's being decent at best(most would be 3rd WRs on another team). The D kept them in it, and Brady won.

So, Schaub in the 3rd...3 higher than Brady. Schaub has all the tools, and Romo might just be a 1 yr wonder...I saw as you did watching him alot of unsure moments.

First off, I am familiar with and like Tom Brady quite a bit. More than Manning. But Brady's the exception, not the rule, which is the real crux of my argument for taking Romo over Schaub at this juncture. Sure, Brady was a no name who came in and knocked everyone's socks off, but the reason it's such a great story is because it's so incredibly rare for a QB to come out of relative anonymity and tear it up so early in their career. Schaub has many of the characteristics you look for in a starting QB, but the fact of the matter is you don't know how good they'll be until they get out there and play, and if it were so easy for a back up QB to step in and play at an All-Pro level you wouldn't see so many franchise's struggling to find a solid QB. You're rolling the dice anytime you let a player have a shot at being a starter, and it's statistically much more prevalent for that player to flame out than it is for them to light it up. Seeing as Romo's already shown that he can light it up, my opinion is he's a safer choice to begin a franchise with right now.