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Kevin Walter Cut *UPDATE* Signs with Titans

dalemurphy said:
It's a good move. I'm all for celebrating when the organization makes good decisions like they have done here. However, it should be remembered, that Kevin Walter was a heck of a player for the Texans. He was always on the field. Never created problems. Made many big catches and did all the little things (like blocking) to help this team win.

It was frustrating watching the wide receiving corp struggle to get open and create separation the past two seasons, but he was never paid to be the guy that stretches the field. He always did his job and did it well.

Thank you, Kevin Walter, for the past six years.
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Classy and sums up my feelings about it to the T...It was time for both parties to move on, but i won't celebrate. The guy did everything we asked of him to the best of his abilities.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
If he had been cut, then he could have signed with another team whenever. However, I doubt another team really would have spent a dime on him before they saw what else was available. Plus, it's a very deep WR draft. I would imagine most teams would look at a mid-round rookie receiver as a better alternative to Walter.
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I'm aware that anybody could have signed him (and pretty much said what you did about lack of interest in doing that).

The point is, there's only two real problems that can result in terms of the timing of cutting someone. The first is if roster's have already been set, as in the night before the season example. The second is if teams have already spent most/all of their free agent budget, and there's nothing left. This is where the free agency period starting today comes in - none of that money has been spent (although not to beat a dead horse, but given the salary expectations I think are realistic for Walter, that will likely never be much of an issue for him anyway).

As has been brought up earlier in this thread, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Walter back with the Texans at veteran minimum salary, and only a $600,000 (give or take) salary cap hit.
 
Schaub2Dre said:
Thanks for the memories Kevin. I'll always remember that Playoff clinching catch you made 2 seasons ago against the Bengals, and that monster game you had against the Jags couple years ago.
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The guy always has been clutch. I'm genuinely sorry to see him go. :/
 
ASidd_1990 said:
I know but Crabtree next to AJ would be HUGE.

Crabtree and AJ > Roddy White and Julio Jones
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I would absolutely love it if it were true, but Manningham is coming off of a major injury, and so is Kyle Williams. Doubt they would wanna part with their only reliable receiver on the team last year.
 
deucetx said:
But 76 is right in that our work at developing receivers leaves something to be desired and makes it a bit worrisome at the same time.
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Hence....... I'd like to see us make a move at WR coach. That guy has been stealing Andre's lunch money too long.
 
ASidd_1990 said:
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.
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No way that's gonna work.

We don't have the cap space.

Crabtree was just in the Super Bowl, had a great playoff run. We can't afford the cap hit.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
If he had been cut, then he could have signed with another team whenever. However, I doubt another team really would have spent a dime on him before they saw what else was available. Plus, it's a very deep WR draft. I would imagine most teams would look at a mid-round rookie receiver as a better alternative to Walter.
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I wouldn't be so sure. It's always nice to have a vet that can be depended on & with so many young teams out there.... couldn't hurt. He most likely wouldn't cost the other team a great deal of money, shouldn't hurt their plans going forward. As been stated, the Texans is the only team he's going to be playing #2WR for.

Anyway, that's his agents job. Doesn't hurt the Texans in anyway to cut him early & bank the money, start working on the next thing. The only reason I can think the Texans would have waited so long for, is because they only recently made up their minds that it needs to be done.

Which doesn't look good for this FO (imo).
 
thunderkyss said:
I wouldn't be so sure. It's always nice to have a vet that can be depended on & with so many young teams out there.... couldn't hurt. He most likely wouldn't cost the other team a great deal of money, shouldn't hurt their plans going forward. As been stated, the Texans is the only team he's going to be playing #2WR for.

Anyway, that's his agents job. Doesn't hurt the Texans in anyway to cut him early & bank the money, start working on the next thing. The only reason I can think the Texans would have waited so long for, is because they only recently made up their minds that it needs to be done.

Which doesn't look good for this FO (imo).
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Again, the money is there now, and they couldn't sign any free agents previously anyway (other than street FA's who they had cap space to sign anyway - if they'd wanted), so what would have been the tangible benefit to them if they'd done this earlier?
 
GP said:
No way that's gonna work.

We don't have the cap space.

Crabtree was just in the Super Bowl, had a great playoff run. We can't afford the cap hit.
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According to the source, the Crabtree contract is for six years and $32 million that could maximize to $40 million if he achieves every incentive in the deal. The guarantee in the contract is $17 million, but he is expected to make $19 million over the first three years and $23 million over the first four years. The five-year deal is worth $28 million, according to the source.
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Crabtree signed a 6 year deal in 2009. He's still on the hook for 2 more years. Looks like there's only $17M left over the next two years & that includes performance based incentives.

If we get Crabtree, it'll be through trade. The 49ers would have to think the flash they saw was just that, a flash, & the time is right to capitalize on that flash. Maybe they've already made up their minds that he's not the player they want.

If we traded for him, it would be up to us to offer him a new contract. But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, why would we do that? Not this year anyway, maybe next.

But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, how bad would he have to be for the 9ers to be ready to part ways?
 
Hervoyel said:
So what I'm wondering is are we going to be seeing Walter again with a smaller salary before all is done. I'm not saying I want to see him back, I'm just wondering what the odds are that we do see him again.
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This. Exactly this.

I think he'll shop around and it'll be unlikely to get what he's been making here or play the kind of role he wants to on another team.

I really like what KW brings to the table outside of his catching production, but that's the biggest problem. He's not effective outside at all anymore.

I'd love to see him back and relegated to the slot where he's more suited and I think can be much more effective. We need more production and speed from a #2
 
Hopefully this leads to something good, as in getting a legitimate #2 WR that will eventually become the Texans next bad ass WR... :homer:

Then again, it may not. :littlelol:

I liked K Dub, he was pretty good for awhile, and made some clutch catches. I wish him the best.
 
Hervoyel said:
So what I'm wondering is are we going to be seeing Walter again with a smaller salary before all is done
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I don't know if the Texans offered Walter a salary reduction, or if Walter turned it down. But his remaining bonus allocation hit the books, so it doesn't make sense to bring him back now. I think he'll find a decent deal as a #3WR. If not, Walter has made about $20 million playing in the NFL. Retiring at 31 doesn't sound so bad.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know if the Texans offered Walter a salary reduction, or if Walter turned it down. But his remaining bonus allocation hit the books, so it doesn't make sense to bring him back now. I think he'll find a decent deal as a #3WR. If not, Walter has made about $20 million playing in the NFL. Retiring at 31 doesn't sound so bad.
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Kubiak has already mentioned that its a possibility he could come back after the team conducts other "business". I still don't think its gonna happen.
 
ASidd_1990 said:
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.
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Interesting but still under contract I think.

10/7/2009: Signed a six-year, $32 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed. Another $8 million is available through incentives. The contract can void to five years based on "unlikely to be earned" Pro Bowl and playing-time triggers. Per one clause in the deal, $15 million of Crabtree's available escalators is contingent on him participating in at least 90% of annual offseason workouts. 2013: $4.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2014: $3.5 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5135/michael-crabtree

cap $6.4m
 
thunderkyss said:
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Crabtree signed a 6 year deal in 2009. He's still on the hook for 2 more years. Looks like there's only $17M left over the next two years & that includes performance based incentives.

If we get Crabtree, it'll be through trade. The 49ers would have to think the flash they saw was just that, a flash, & the time is right to capitalize on that flash. Maybe they've already made up their minds that he's not the player they want.

If we traded for him, it would be up to us to offer him a new contract. But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, why would we do that? Not this year anyway, maybe next.

But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, how bad would he have to be for the 9ers to be ready to part ways?
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Boldin cost a 6th round. Subtract the $2.5 m for Walter and Crabtree's cap is less than $4.5. Let's say he plays for Houston for current money and has another 1,000 yd season. 2014 is a player option & at 27 he could be re-signed to team friendly deal.
 
I wish Kevin Walter all the best in his future NFL career, except when he might play against the Texans.

This move tells me that the Texans are close to a deal on another FA WR, or that they are confident in getting who they want in the 1st round of the draft, and that they are willing to trade up to go after who they've targeted. WR was already a huge team need but it now becomes much more so.

This might also tell us something about the achilles injury to Posey. It might not be as bad as we think.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I wish Kevin Walter all the best in his future NFL career, except when he might play against the Texans.

This move tells me that the Texans are close to a deal on another FA WR, or that they are confident in getting who they want in the 1st round of the draft, and that they are willing to trade up to go after who they've targeted. WR was already a huge team need but it now becomes much more so.

This might also tell us something about the achilles injury to Posey. It might not be as bad as we think.
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I hope Posey is in game shape by the time the play-offs roll around; that's the most important thing.
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 12m
Titans announced they reached agreements on one-year deals with WR Kevin Walter and OL Chris Spencer.
 
Christopher Clark Spencer (born March 28, 1982) is an American football center for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League. He was selected with the 26th overall pick in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft out of the University of Mississippi by the Seattle Seahawks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Spencer_(American_football)
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This is an interesting and a bit of a surprising signing ? Wonder if it's a vet minimum and if it might also mean Wade Smith is on borrowed time ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Christopher Clark Spencer (born March 28, 1982) is an American football center for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League. He was selected with the 26th overall pick in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft out of the University of Mississippi by the Seattle Seahawks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Spencer_(American_football)
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This is an interesting and a bit of a surprising signing ? Wonder if it's a vet minimum and if it might also mean Wade Smith is on borrowed time ?
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He was reporting that Walter and Spencer were signed by the titans.

He just quoted Schefter, so that's why he is there.
 
Señor Stan;2146555 said:
Dang it! Now the Titans will know all the Texans audibles...wait...nevermind...
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They lost Jared Cook.
Going into free agency this offseason, tight end Jared Cook and the St. Louis Rams were an obvious match. Cook wanted to get out of Tennessee, and the Rams wanted a physically gifted tight end who could be a strong offensive threat down the field.
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IF they use him in the slot, or as a psuedo TE, he'll be an excellent safety blanket for their young QB. But I'm sure, he will not be challenging Kenny Britt or Kendall Wright for playing time.

I also found this interesting.
Look at some of the best teams in the NFL these days: The Ravens, 49ers, Patriots, Falcons and Texans. These teams have a lot of similarities, but one of the most prevalent is that they all have a great tight end. Baltimore has Dennis Pitta, San Francisco has Vernon Davis, New England has Rob Gronkowski, Atlanta has Tony Gonzalez and Houston has Owen Daniels.
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That was written March 2013 this year. I know it's just BleacherReport, but it's nice to know that someone still believes the Texans are among the best teams in the NFL.
 
thunderkyss said:
They lost Jared Cook.
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IF they use him in the slot, or as a psuedo TE, he'll be an excellent safety blanket for their young QB. But I'm sure, he will not be challenging Kenny Britt or Kendall Wright for playing time.
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They signed Delanie Walker. Delanie's an excellent blocker and has very good hands. Walter will be nothing more than a #3 or just plain depth.
 
HOU-TEX said:
They signed Delanie Walker. Delanie's an excellent blocker and has very good hands. Walter will be nothing more than a #3 or just plain depth.
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well that's just not true but anyway....

Walker's four-year contract is worth $17.5 million with $8.6 million guaranteed. In 2012, Walker dropped 11 passes across 19 games, including the playoffs. He only had 26 catches. Walker's "catch rate" of 54.2 percent was third worst in the NFL among tight ends with at least 40 targets, behind only Kellen Davis and Tony Scheffler


http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42904/309/free-agency-update

personally ive been delighted with how the colts and titans have blown their wads on middling players this offseason
 
I've always liked Kevin Walter, so I wish him well. He didn't live up to his second contract with us, and we had to move forward without him, but, he always seemed like a cool dude.

(When we play the titans, though, I hope Jonathan Joseph kicks his ass...)
 
76Texan said:
Looks like Walter signed for the veteran minimum of $910K.

Texans decide to go young, I imagine.
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Anyone really think whatever vet minimum WR the Texans sign will be better in this offense than Walter? I said it before, the problem with Walter was where he was playing and for how much, not that he was a member of the team. As a vet minimum guy playing an appropriate role, there's value there.

houstonspartan said:
I've always liked Kevin Walter, so I wish him well. He didn't live up to his second contract with us, and we had to move forward without him, but, he always seemed like a cool dude.

(When we play the titans, though, I hope Jonathan Joseph kicks his ass...)
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If he's doing well enough that they have to put JJo on him, then that's a helluva loss for the Texans.
 
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