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Kendall Wright's Pro day

Yep. Kid is a play maker.

Hand timed at the Combine people had him at 4.47. Don't know how they managed to screw that pooch, but NFL needs to fix it. Hurts players.
 
Blake said:
And he's also a 10 year vet. All im saying is that I prefer a little size and bulk with a WR so you know they can withstand the hits in the NFL and out-leap the DB's.
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Not sure what smith being a ten year vet has to do with him being a very talented small receiver. My point is that I'd rather have steve smith that mike Williams. An I'd rather have Calvin Johnson over both.

I like height too...as long as it comes with talent. But I'm not going to pass up a guy I think is extremely talented just to take a guy that is taller but less talented.

Either the texans think wright is talented enough to take or they met with him to throw everyone off. I'm more inclined to think they have actual interest in him.
 
Rey said:
Not sure what smith being a ten year vet has to do with him being a very talented small receiver. My point is that I'd rather have steve smith that mike Williams. An I'd rather have Calvin Johnson over both.

I like height too...as long as it comes with talent. But I'm not going to pass up a guy I think is extremely talented just to take a guy that is taller but less talented.

Either the texans think wright is talented enough to take or they met with him to throw everyone off. I'm more inclined to think they have actual interest in him.
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My point is that Steve Smith isn't good because he is small. He is good because he has been around the block and knows how to play the game. We obviously think of Wright differently. Yes he is talented, but I think Wright should be selected high second round. An example would be DeSean Jackson who I think was better coming out of college and went high two.

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Playoffs said:
Yep. Kid is a play maker.

Hand timed at the Combine people had him at 4.47. Don't know how they managed to screw that pooch, but NFL needs to fix it. Hurts players.
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He was electronically timed at 4.6 because his hand moved first and they use the electronic time as the "official" time.

We all knew he was fast. You don't need a forty-yard dash to prove it. Just watch the film.
 
Blake said:
And he's also a 10 year vet. All im saying is that I prefer a little size and bulk with a WR so you know they can withstand the hits in the NFL and out-leap the DB's.
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5'10 1/4 with 39 vertical leap. He historically has gone up against bigger defenders and brought the ball down in traffic. If one watched his games, it was not all RG3. Wright is a baller and so is Jordan White.
 
Electronically times are slower, but they should be more accurate. I'm surprised they don't use a set up similar to track and field. Where the timer starts off a gun and and an electronic beam stops the timer.

Wright's slower combine time was due to a poor start, he just didn't get off the line well. The 40 is too short of a race to overcome a bad start.
 
So what if we use the 4th we got from Philly and somehow use that to trade spots with Cleveland at #22 if Wright is there?
 
Blake said:
My point is that Steve Smith isn't good because he is small.
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Huh???

Who said a guy is good because they are small?

My point is that him being small doesn't keep him from being good...and in a lot of cases better than some of his bigger counterparts...

He is good because he has been around the block and knows how to play the game.
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Steve Smith has been good for a while. He didn't just become good with experience. Not even sure what you are saying here.

We obviously think of Wright differently. Yes he is talented, but I think Wright should be selected high second round. An example would be DeSean Jackson who I think was better coming out of college and went high two.
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DeSean Jackson has the talent to be a difference maker on offense and special teams. His ****ty attitue is what drops his value, but the talent is there.

And I don't think Wright and Desean really compare...Wright is a bit more solidly built, he catches balls in traffic better, but he doesn't have the wheels that Desean does.
 
Like I said, I needed to see Wright to run a 4.37 consistently to put him the first round (or at least a consitent 4.39). He didn't.
 
76Texan said:
Like I said, I needed to see Wright to run a 4.37 consistently to put him the first round (or at least a consitent 4.39). He didn't.
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Why a 4.37 specifically? Walterfootball had him at a 4.41 at his pro day. In a track meet a .04 difference would essentially be a photo finish. Why would that infantessimal difference in speed make any difference on a football field?
 
otisbean said:
Why a 4.37 specifically? Walterfootball had him at a 4.41 at his pro day. In a track meet a .04 difference would essentially be a photo finish. Why would that infantessimal difference in speed make any difference on a football field?
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One of the guys (and I swear for some reason I always get badboy and beerlover mixed-up) was saying that Wright ran a 4.39 before the combine.

I brought up a few different guys to show my point of view that for a small guy (even accounting for his jumping ability and his agility - meaning taking into account all the tests 20SS, 3-cone, high jump, broad jump), to be considered as a speedster/burner, the guy has to run some 4.37 to really be a force such that the CB has to either jam him hard at the line or play off him in honor of the speed.

As an example, I could bring up Patrick Edwards (UH).
When I watched the two of them (Edwards vs. Wright) running deep routes (go route/post route) I noticed the clock.

I would watch them running a free release, let's say from just outside the numbers on a post route to straight between the hashes. I freeze framed and tried to look for as close of a course they ran on that certain route. There was basically no difference I can make out. However, as Wright is bigger and a hair taller, I would have to give it to Wright.

I hope I make a little sense?
 
I believe Kendall Wright might be the best WR of the bunch when its all said and done. He is extremely explosive, moves well laterally and a threat to score at any time. Has great ball skills. He also was very productive. I don't care so much about small differences in 40 time, when you look at the film he flies. He hits full speed almost immediately. Look at his measurables in comparison to Steve Smith. He is a little taller and bigger, faster in the cone and shuttle with identical vertical and broad jump. Wright has decent strength with 14 reps and never missed a game in 4 years. He might be short but he is built. I think he would be killer in Play action over the top plus running those drags across the field behind the LB's. If the Texans can move up to around 17-18 they could probably get him and it won't cost a king's ransom.


Kendall Wright 5 - 10 196
Arm 30.5
Hand 8.5

40 Yard Dash: 4.45 seconds
20 Yard Dash: n/a
10 Yard Dash: n/a
Bench Press: 14 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: 121 inches
Shuttle: 4.18
Three Cone: 6.93

Last college season 108 rec 1663 yds 15.4 ypc 14 td

Steve smith 5 - 09 184 lb

40 Yard Dash: 4.41 seconds
20 Yard Dash: 2.51 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.51 seconds
Bench Press: N/A reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: 121 inches
Shuttle: 4.25
Three Cone: 7.44

Last Season College Stats 35 rec 743 yds 21.2 ypc 4 tds
 
jradMIT said:
I believe Kendall Wright might be the best WR of the bunch when its all said and done. He is extremely explosive, moves well laterally and a threat to score at any time. Has great ball skills. He also was very productive. I don't care so much about small differences in 40 time, when you look at the film he flies. He hits full speed almost immediately. Look at his measurables in comparison to Steve Smith. He is a little taller and bigger, faster in the cone and shuttle with identical vertical and broad jump. Wright has decent strength with 14 reps and never missed a game in 4 years. He might be short but he is built. I think he would be killer in Play action over the top plus running those drags across the field behind the LB's. If the Texans can move up to around 17-18 they could probably get him and it won't cost a king's ransom.


Kendall Wright 5 - 10 196
Arm 30.5
Hand 8.5

40 Yard Dash: 4.45 seconds
20 Yard Dash: n/a
10 Yard Dash: n/a
Bench Press: 14 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: 121 inches
Shuttle: 4.18
Three Cone: 6.93

Last college season 108 rec 1663 yds 15.4 ypc 14 td

Steve smith 5 - 09 184 lb

40 Yard Dash: 4.41 seconds
20 Yard Dash: 2.51 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.51 seconds
Bench Press: N/A reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: 121 inches
Shuttle: 4.25
Three Cone: 7.44

Last Season College Stats 35 rec 743 yds 21.2 ypc 4 tds
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Good post.

I've been high on wright for a while. Ive said several times that id trade up for him.

I've even made the comparison to Steve smith, but I had no idea how similar their measurables were.

I really hope we land him in the draft.
 
Look, you can matchup Wright's measurables with All Pro players, as well as players who never made it in the league. That doesn't tell me anything. Other than it won't be measurables that keep him from succeeding.

Steve Smith came into the league as a return specialist with little receiving skills. He had 5 returns for TDs his first two seasons. Then, Smith developed in the passing game, basically taking short passes and making DBs miss in the open field. Wright is very good after the catch, but not at Smith's level. Where Wright has Smith is in the ability to track and catch the deep ball. He is not as strong as Smith and will have more trouble getting off press coverage. Two different players, really.
 
Here's a piece from Pro Football Weekly addressing Kendall Wright's pro day:

Q: Who are some of the receivers who might be available to the 49ers at pick No. 30? Do you think Kendall Wright could possibliy slip that far to the end of the first round?

Nawrocki: The main receivers, Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd, won’t be sitting there late in the first round. Those clearly are the top two. There are some concerns about the character of both. That is one common theme throughout this receiving class — all of them have some concerns off the field. I’d put Kendall Wright in that category. He’s a little bit too emotional. His work ethic came into question after his pro day. He bench-pressed 225 pounds only four times. For that reason alone, I think there’s a chance he easily could be sitting there at 30. I don’t know if he will slip that far, but I know there are teams that have him sitting in the second, even third round after that workout that pushed him down the board.
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"a little too bit emotional" segues into work ethic, with work ethic being measured by 4 reps?

4 reps is a red flag for a guy that is expected to line-up on the line. However, the tape I have seen tells me he is a ten year stud in the slot, and would add immediate value to our WR corp.
 
Lucky said:
He bench-pressed 225 pounds only four times
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That kills him for me, period. Not that he's "weak", but that he didn't put any work into it.

Remember: When Jay Cutler had that mysterious illness and he lost 30/40 pounds and was just in a scary bad way -- the undiagnosed disease was diabetes -- Cutler got so weak he could only do 3 reps at 225. Wright does one more? No thanks.
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Damn.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
"a little too bit emotional" segues into work ethic, with work ethic being measured by 4 reps?

4 reps is a red flag for a guy that is expected to line-up on the line. However, the tape I have seen tells me he is a ten year stud in the slot, and would add immediate value to our WR corp.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to say the same thing.

I'm not looking to see how long he can throw 200+ in the air while laying on his back. If I need to see that from him, then it means his ass got pancaked at the LOS and he's trying to get the CB off of him.

Dude is bank. Fort Knox style. Lock him up and watch the price of gold go through the roof. Biyatches.

However, I really expect him to go Top 15. Easily. Blackmon, Floyd, and Wright are all Top 15 picks. Period. I'm afraid the guy out of South Carolina might be the only chance at a potentially good WR we'll have IF we want him at 26. But that gets us too dangerously close to Jacoby Jones "project pick" territory for my taste buds.

I just can't sit here and think any of the 25 teams ahead of us are going to pass on Wright.
 
I think Wright will be playing out wide on Sundays. He played the slot his first 3 years but exploded when they put him out wide as a Senior. I really like Wright and he has so much good tape but 4 reps of 225 is just horrible. I knew guys in High school that weighed less and benched 225 way more than 4 times. Bubba Crosby comes to mind.
 
I'm not sold on anyone being a sure pick out of this group of players at 1. Early on I was hoping for a wr here but I'm not so much now.
 
jradMIT said:
I believe Kendall Wright might be the best WR of the bunch when its all said and done. He is extremely explosive, moves well laterally and a threat to score at any time. Has great ball skills. He also was very productive. I don't care so much about small differences in 40 time, when you look at the film he flies. He hits full speed almost immediately. Look at his measurables in comparison to Steve Smith. He is a little taller and bigger, faster in the cone and shuttle with identical vertical and broad jump. Wright has decent strength with 14 reps and never missed a game in 4 years. He might be short but he is built. I think he would be killer in Play action over the top plus running those drags across the field behind the LB's. If the Texans can move up to around 17-18 they could probably get him and it won't cost a king's ransom.


Kendall Wright 5 - 10 196
Arm 30.5
Hand 8.5

40 Yard Dash: 4.45 seconds
20 Yard Dash: n/a
10 Yard Dash: n/a
Bench Press: 14 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: 121 inches
Shuttle: 4.18
Three Cone: 6.93

Last college season 108 rec 1663 yds 15.4 ypc 14 td

Steve smith 5 - 09 184 lb

40 Yard Dash: 4.41 seconds
20 Yard Dash: 2.51 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.51 seconds
Bench Press: N/A reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: 121 inches
Shuttle: 4.25
Three Cone: 7.44

Last Season College Stats 35 rec 743 yds 21.2 ypc 4 tds
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Lucky said:
Here's a piece from Pro Football Weekly addressing Kendall Wright's pro day:
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14 or 4...big difference???
 
I'm scared of Wright. The lack of strength/small hands makes me want to go another direction at 26.

Jeffery is nothing like Jacoby. Jeffery is much slower. But he's got great hands and is willing to go across across the middle and will take a hit but concentrate on catching the ball. However Jeffery is neither fast nor quick in and out of his breaks.

He is an all out comptitor going for the ball. Jeffery would be a great WR2 compliment to AJ. (RZ threat) His upside may end up as a highend WR2 unless he is willing to put the work in to become a WR1. Work ethic is the biggest ? with Jeffery.
 
I'm looking for a another link because I have to believe that if Wright only threw up 225 4 times there would have been a lot of noise.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
14 or 4...big difference???
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I didn't see a link to jrad's number of 14 bench reps. And while I don't take a lot of stock in these metrics, it does backup what I've seen as a guy who will struggle to get off the line. As KT stated, Wright could be a stud as a slot receiver, who gets into his routes off pre-snap motion. But, are the Texans willing to select a slot receiver with a 1st round pick? I don't think so.
 
Lucky said:
I didn't see a link to jrad's number of 14 bench reps. And while I don't take a lot of stock in these metrics, it does backup what I've seen as a guy who will struggle to get off the line. As KT stated, Wright could be a stud as a slot receiver, who gets into his routes off pre-snap motion. But, are the Texans willing to select a slot receiver with a 1st round pick? I don't think so.
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I was questioning the 4 reps on the bench press, just did not sound right. We will just have to agree to disagree. Only time will tell. Personally I'm agree with Mike Mayock.

- “He was the headline; we already knew about Robert Griffin III. To me, it was an important day for Kendall Wright…When you put the tape on and you watch Kendall Wright play football, he plays fast. I don’t care what his 40 [yard dash] was at the Combine; the kid plays fast. He caught the football, he ran fluid routes – he’s a first-round wide receiver in my book. If he lasts beyond the top 20, I’d be surprised.” – Mayock on wide receiver Kendall Wright’s performance at Baylor’s pro day
 
Just an FYI on some other guys:

Ryan Broyles 21 reps
Marvin Jones 22
Greg Childs 19
Michael Floyd 16
Rueben Randal 15
Eric Page 15
Justin Blackmon 14
Jarius Wright 11
 
Ok, I didn't see it at first on PFW. What's weird is that PFW is the only site I can find this on. He didn't lift at the combine that is for sure. It seems strange that a guy that is a shade under 200 would be that weak and not have any articles or analysis on that fact. I would agree though that a guy that can only do 4 reps is of concern, especially since it is up for discussion whether or not he can get a clean release. However, I still think this guy is a big time playmaker that can be utilized all over the field with a good OC. He can take the top off the defense and open up the running game by keeping the safeties honest.
 
The clean release could be a problem but I did not see anybody press him because they were afraid of his deep speed. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME TAPE OF SOMEBODY SHUTTING HIM DOWN IN PRESS COVERAGE...When he played Washington their highly rated CB, Desmond Trufant, whose own brother Marcus Trufant 5 11 197 is very adept at press coverage was not pressing him. Any video of Wright trying to implement the swim release, rip release??? We will have to see how good he is at using his hands to get off the LOS but I think it is unfair to say will not be effective when being pressed when to my knowledge there is no solid evidence to the contrary. Wright is 196lbs and with a professional training program statistically it is very probable that he will get stronger. Also Wright played the slot his first 3 years and was far more productive when playing on the outside. I don't think anybody would draft a slot receiver in the first round either...maybe the Bills or Raiders :) Here are his stats per ESPN.

CAREER STATS RECEIVING
SEASON REC YDS AVG
2011 108 1663 15.4
2010 78 952 12.2
2009 66 740 11.2
2008 50 649 13.0
 
Lucky said:
Look, you can matchup Wright's measurables with All Pro players, as well as players who never made it in the league. That doesn't tell me anything. Other than it won't be measurables that keep him from succeeding.

Steve Smith came into the league as a return specialist with little receiving skills. He had 5 returns for TDs his first two seasons. Then, Smith developed in the passing game, basically taking short passes and making DBs miss in the open field. Wright is very good after the catch, but not at Smith's level. Where Wright has Smith is in the ability to track and catch the deep ball. He is not as strong as Smith and will have more trouble getting off press coverage. Two different players, really.
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Key point right there..i don't think people realize how strong Smith is. That more than anything separates him from other smaller built WR's to make it in the league. He is the exception, not the rule.

I'm not high enough on wright to select him in the 1st round. I think he's got talent & tons of potential..i just wonder about any WR coming out of a system like Briles. Typically, if they aren't in a wide open offense in the nfl, they're usually not all that effective.....mainly b/c they aren't that prototype WR. Look at guys like Welker. Pretty much a zero in Miami. Goes to the Pats in that spread-type offense & he's putting up HOF numbers. The same for guys like Lance Moore & Donnie Avery. Obviously there were other factors but the overriding thought here is that those type of WR's need that system to be that force rather than just being a fit in any system. & even then they still tend to get hurt alot.
 
If Wright put up 4 reps at his pro day more than one guy would be talking about it. I´m not comparing him to Smith. You do not have to be 220lbs to get a clean break off the LOS. Look at Percy Harvin or Mike Wallace or Victor Cruz. Steve Smith has freakish strength so that is an unfair comparison. First, cornerbacks do not weigh 220lbs, Revis weighs 198. If you look at most NFL CB you will see that they are not huge. Second, it is just wrong when one says that Wright will not be able to get a clean release when nobody ever pressed him. SHOW ME SOME TAPE. Third, Wright´s numbers skyrocketed when he was taken out of the slot his senior year. Nobody is going to draft Wright in the first round if they think that he will only be able to play in 3 WR sets...where does Mayock have him ranked? It might very well turn out that Wright will be dominated by press coverage but don´t say it as a God given fact if you do not have any tape to back it up.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
..When he played Washington their highly rated CB, Desmond Trufant, whose own brother Marcus Trufant 5 11 197 is very adept at press coverage was not pressing him. Also Wright played the slot his first 3 years and was far more productive when playing on the outside. I don't think anybody would draft a slot receiver in the first round either...maybe the Bills or Raiders :) Here are his stats per ESPN.
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SW H-TOWN said:
Third, Wright´s numbers skyrocketed when he was taken out of the slot his senior year. Nobody is going to draft Wright in the first round if they think that he will only be able to play in 3 WR sets...where does Mayock have him ranked? It might very well turn out that Wright will be dominated by press coverage but don´t say it as a God given fact if you do not have any tape to back it up.
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1. Wright still saw more time in the slot (I had reviewed some ten Baylor games).

2. From this vid, you can see that Trufant was on Wright only once (around the 2:03 mark in the vid) on first and ten. Trufant played off-man, and read the wrong route.

3. Baylor didn't play against good pass defense all year.
I'll get back to that later.
 
Pass Defenses that Baylor faced in 2011 and their ranking.

TCU - 60
Rice 112
Ks St 103
Iowa St 73
A&M 109
Okl St 107
Mizzou 94
Ks 110
Okl 79
Tech 66
UT 42
Wash 116
(I did not count SF Austin for obvious reason).
 
SW H-TOWN said:
If Wright put up 4 reps at his pro day more than one guy would be talking about it. I´m not comparing him to Smith. You do not have to be 220lbs to get a clean break off the LOS. Look at Percy Harvin or Mike Wallace or Victor Cruz. Steve Smith has freakish strength so that is an unfair comparison. First, cornerbacks do not weigh 220lbs, Revis weighs 198. If you look at most NFL CB you will see that they are not huge. Second, it is just wrong when one says that Wright will not be able to get a clean release when nobody ever pressed him. SHOW ME SOME TAPE. Third, Wright´s numbers skyrocketed when he was taken out of the slot his senior year. Nobody is going to draft Wright in the first round if they think that he will only be able to play in 3 WR sets...where does Mayock have him ranked? It might very well turn out that Wright will be dominated by press coverage but don´t say it as a God given fact if you do not have any tape to back it up.
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Just b/c you don't see it on tape doesn't mean that it won't project to be a problem. Sometimes lack of seeing something on tape actually does project to it becoming a problem in the NFL.

It's no different than watching tape on a qb who operates 95% out of the shotgun. The lack of seeing more of him coming from under center can & has been a decent indicator of whether or not he can become a solid NFL starting qb b/c he'll likely be doing more of that in the NFL.

Tape is only as good as the competition the player is playing against & the variety the player sees & plays.
 
76Texan said:
1. Wright still saw more time in the slot (I had reviewed some ten Baylor games).

2. From this vid, you can see that Trufant was on Wright only once (around the 2:03 mark in the vid) on first and ten. Trufant played off-man, and read the wrong route.

3. Baylor didn't play against good pass defense all year.
I'll get back to that later.
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You are right, he saw time at the slot and outside on as a senior. He made big plays at both spots and in my eyes showed the ability to play both positions, increasing his value. Versus Washington he was covered by 28 just about all the time but I would give a little more credit to Wright on that incomplete pass. Trufant was peaking in as KG3 rolled to the right but still bit on Wright's double move. Wright and Floyd both played against bad CB. When Floyd faced Florida State, who has Xavier Rhodes, he caught 5 balls for 41 yards. I need to see how much time he faced up against Rhodes but either way those are not good numbers. My main point was that you cannot say that Wright is only a slot receiver based on the premise that he will not be able to get a clean release of the LOS when facing press coverage if there is no empirical evidence to back it up. I don't think you were the one who made that claim.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
You are right, he saw time at the slot and outside on as a senior. He made big plays at both spots and in my eyes showed the ability to play both positions, increasing his value. Versus Washington he was covered by 28 just about all the time but I would give a little more credit to Wright on that incomplete pass. Trufant was peaking in as KG3 rolled to the right but still bit on Wright's double move. Wright and Floyd both played against bad CB. When Floyd faced Florida State, who has Xavier Rhodes, he caught 5 balls for 41 yards. I need to see how much time he faced up against Rhodes but either way those are not good numbers. My main point was that you cannot say that Wright is only a slot receiver based on the premise that he will not be able to get a clean release of the LOS when facing press coverage if there is no empirical evidence to back it up. I don't think you were the one who made that claim.
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You're are correct that I did not make that claim.
Wright saw more time as outside receiver as the season went along.
And he ran more deep routes as the season went along as well.
I wished I had made notes of the games I reviewed.
(I wanted to come back to, but there are so many draftable receivers and QBs in this draft it's impossible to have enough time on them all.)
 
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