Keenum, is this another case of Chris Myers and KJax?

[76Texan]

FOR those who don't know me, I was the guy who defended those two during off-seasons, after their "seemingly" disastrous campaigns.

While doing so, I spent a lot of times breaking down several "perceived" terrible plays by the defendants.

Some claimed that I made them pro - bowlers while the usual thinking was that they stink.

That, by itself, is a "small" victory for the defendants, whether in the court of law or common "justice".
Just to make the jury explore the evidences that encompass the whole case rather than just zeroing in one target is always a good step. The final judgment is always in the hand of the jury.

Unfortunately, I don't have much time this year.
The regulars here can tell by my abscence.
They also know that I believe in Football as a team sport; it is won most often with a cohesive unit (Coaching, offense, defense, ST, and fans.)

All that said, I'd like to begin the "investigation" with Tom Brady in his second year with the Patriots.

Study his numbers from every aspect and they are really close to Keenum's

Then you look at each smaller unit.
Offensive weapons.
Running game.
The O-line.

Advantage Brady, by how much? It's hard to quantify; my thinking is the running game helped Brady more.

But when it comes to defense, I hate to say it, there was no contest.
Brady had nearly a ten point advantage.

And then there's ST.

...

I like Keenum a lot because he has it upstairs, but he's always limited in statue.
From day one, I've stressed that he needs to begin by observing Drew Brees.

Right now I think he plays more like a backup .

 

[WolverineFan]

His problems against the blitz were so frustrating. He struggled, no problem with that. But he continually struggled with the same concept. No progression in that area at all last year. Blame the offensive line all you want (and it was bad) but it wasn't all their fault. Not even close.

Also, the sacks. IIRC, of the 5 longest sacks taken last season, he had 3-4 of them including the 2 longest.

 

[eriadoc]

Also, the sacks. IIRC, of the 5 longest sacks taken last season, he had 3-4 of them including the 2 longest.

Those are frustrating plays, but they don't speak to his ability to play QB at all, IMO. A seasoned QB learns to go fetal when it's called for, while a young QB is more apt to try and extend the play. Add to that the pressure of getting what will likely be his only chance and he'd rather go down slinging it than playing it safe, I'd assume. Add to that the team's woes and I'm sure they all felt the need to try and do too much.

Of all the things to ding Keenum for, the long sacks are not too concerning, in my view.

 

[Double Barrel]

Well, the good thing about having O'Brien come in without a starting QB is that we can be certain that Keenum will be analyzed and given a shot. If he does not pan out with O'Brien, then it should be fairly obvious when two different NFL staffs arrive at the same conclusion.

I'd love to see the kid make it and succeed, just because it's a great story. But, that said, story is a result, not a justification.

 

[Playoffs]

Keenum doesn't have Brady's traits -- much steeper hill for him.

But it'll be fun to see how/if things chance with different QB coaching & new system.

 

[eriadoc]

Keenum doesn't have Brady's traits -- much steeper hill for him.

Curious what traits you think the second year (first year starter) version of Tom Brady had that Keenum doesn't, and why you think Keenum doesn't have them. Obviously, Brady has become one of the best QBs in NFL history, but because of that, people tend to over-inflate his play in those first couple years.

 

[76Texan]

His problems against the blitz were so frustrating. He struggled, no problem with that. But he continually struggled with the same concept. No progression in that area at all last year. Blame the offensive line all you want (and it was bad) but it wasn't all their fault. Not even close.

Also, the sacks. IIRC, of the 5 longest sacks taken last season, he had 3-4 of them including the 2 longest.

Good; which was supposed to be on the card.
Everybody (or so it seems) is on this; which is totally legitimate?

 

[76Texan]

Keenum doesn't have Brady's traits -- much steeper hill for him.

But it'll be fun to see how/if things chance with different QB coaching & new system.

What was Bradys trait, May I Ask?

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Can Keenum get better like those other two guys got better?

Sure.

 

[76Texan]

His problems against the blitz were so frustrating. He struggled, no problem with that. But he continually struggled with the same concept. No progression in that area at all last year. Blame the offensive line all you want (and it was bad) but it wasn't all their fault. Not even close.

Also, the sacks. IIRC, of the 5 longest sacks taken last season, he had 3-4 of them including the 2 longest.

We'll get to that.

 

[michaelm]

Good; which was supposed to be on the card.
Everybody (or so it seems) is on this; which is totally legitimate?

I'm interested to understand what you're saying here, 76, but honestly can't figure it out. Can you elaborate? Thanks.

 

[Lord Bills]

FOR those who don't know me, I was the guy who defended those two during off-seasons, after their "seemingly" disastrous campaigns.

While doing so, I spent a lot of times breaking down several "perceived" terrible plays by the defendants.

Some claimed that I made them pro - bowlers while the usual thinking was that they stink.

That, by itself, is a "small" victory for the defendants, whether in the court of law or common "justice".
Just to make the jury explore the evidences that encompass the whole case rather than just zeroing in one target is always a good step. The final judgment is always in the hand of the jury.

Unfortunately, I don't have much time this year.
The regulars here can tell by my abscence.
They also know that I believe in Football as a team sport; it is won most often with a cohesive unit (Coaching, offense, defense, ST, and fans.)

All that said, I'd like to begin the "investigation" with Tom Brady in his second year with the Patriots.

Study his numbers from every aspect and they are really close to Keenum's

Then you look at each smaller unit.
Offensive weapons.
Running game.
The O-line.

Advantage Brady, by how much? It's hard to quantify; my thinking is the running game helped Brady more.

But when it comes to defense, I hate to say it, there was no contest.
Brady had nearly a ten point advantage.

And then there's ST.

...

I like Keenum a lot because he has it upstairs, but he's always limited in statue.
From day one, I've stressed that he needs to begin by observing Drew Brees.

Right now I think he plays more like a backup .

how so?

did chris myers and jackson only have 8 games to prove themselves worthy of being nfl players?

no they didnt.

they had multiple seasons of rope. matt schaub had how many years?

but somehow keenum has to prove himself in only 8 games and being thrust into a cesspool of failure that schaub and kubiak created if not, he is perpetually labeled as an incapable of playing in the nfl.

there is some serious hypocritical double standards going on here.

 

[76Texan]

how so?

did chris myers and jackson only have 8 games to prove themselves worthy of being nfl players?

no they didnt.

they had multiple seasons of rope. matt schaub had how many years?

but somehow keenum has to prove himself in only 8 games and being thrust into a cesspool of failure that schaub and kubiak created if not, he is perpetually labeled as an incapable of playing in the nfl.

there is some serious hypocritical double standards going on here.

It's the nature of the job.
Keenum is a long shot, not an exception.

 

[buddyboy]

how so?

did chris myers and jackson only have 8 games to prove themselves worthy of being nfl players?

no they didnt.

they had multiple seasons of rope. matt schaub had how many years?

but somehow keenum has to prove himself in only 8 games and being thrust into a cesspool of failure that schaub and kubiak created if not, he is perpetually labeled as an incapable of playing in the nfl.

there is some serious hypocritical double standards going on here.

At least Schaub won a game...

 

[76Texan]

His problems against the blitz were so frustrating. He struggled, no problem with that. But he continually struggled with the same concept. No progression in that area at all last year. Blame the offensive line all you want (and it was bad) but it wasn't all their fault. Not even close.

Also, the sacks. IIRC, of the 5 longest sacks taken last season, he had 3-4 of them including the 2 longest.

Whatever number you're looking at; can you do me a favor looking at Brady ' s ?

And I promise you it#2 just a start m

 

[chenjy9]

how so?

did chris myers and jackson only have 8 games to prove themselves worthy of being nfl players?

no they didnt.

they had multiple seasons of rope. matt schaub had how many years?

but somehow keenum has to prove himself in only 8 games and being thrust into a cesspool of failure that schaub and kubiak created if not, he is perpetually labeled as an incapable of playing in the nfl.

there is some serious hypocritical double standards going on here.

What double standards? I don't remember Schaub going 0-8 when we first got him. In fact, as much as I dislike Schaub, he started 2-0 I believe. This is a results driven league and the fact is, Keenum has not won anything, regardless the circumstance. I am all for giving him a shot this upcoming season during the preseason, but all of the QB's on our roster is a long shot to begin with.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I watched Keenum just like everyone else did last year. He had very little to work with. Every rookie.........yes, I call him a rookie, as this was his first year in real live fire........shows the problems handling the blitz. However, those that are not surrounded by a strong support cast seldom can overcome the deficits they initially bring in. And, on top of that, if the game is not coached to their strengths, it becomes even uglier. Last year, by the time Keenum was given the helm, the Texans were whittled down to only the walking wounded and make shift poor excuses for "survivors." For any other QB, the fetal position and interceptions would have likely been the optional soup d'jour. I trust OB to sort things out one way or another. And it wouldn't surprise me if Keenum still comes out of camp as the best option.

 

[76Texan]

His problems against the blitz were so frustrating. He struggled, no problem with that. But he continually struggled with the same concept. No progression in that area at all last year. Blame the offensive line all you want (and it was bad) but it wasn't all their fault. Not even close.

Also, the sacks. IIRC, of the 5 longest sacks taken last season, he had 3-4 of them including the 2 longest.

It's a legitimate question.
Aren't we asking of a world beater here?
No doubt we can use one.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

What double standards? I don't remember Schaub going 0-8 when we first got him. In fact, as much as I dislike Schaub, he started 2-0 I believe. This is a results driven league and the fact is, Keenum has not won anything, regardless the circumstance. I am all for giving him a shot this upcoming season during the preseason, but all of the QB's on our roster is a long shot to begin with.

In 2004, the first year Schaub was thrown in there with Atlanta, he played in 6 games, had 1 TD 4 INTs, a 47% completion rate, took 4 sacks and ended up with a 42 QB rating.

 

[infantrycak]

In 2004, the first year Schaub was thrown in there with Atlanta, he played in 6 games, had 1 TD 4 INTs, a 47% completion rate, took 4 sacks and ended up with a 42 QB rating.

Non-starts where a QB is getting thrown in for either cleanup or lost cause duty are pretty meaningless stats to compare.

Schaub's first 8 starts (3-5): 62.7% comp., 7.77 ypa, 255.5 ypg, 85.8 rating.
Keenum's first 8 starts (0-8): 54.2% comp., 7.0 ypa, 220.0 ypg, 78.2 rating.

Which is not to say Keenum has shown us everything he has (which frankly I think is absurd), but I'm not holding my breath over him making it either.

 

[drs23]

I watched Keenum just like everyone else did last year. He had very little to work with. Every rookie.........yes, I call him a rookie, as this was his first year in real live fire........shows the problems handling the blitz. However, those that are not surrounded by a strong support cast seldom can overcome the deficits they initially bring in. And, on top of that, if the game is not coached to their strengths, it becomes even uglier. Last year, by the time Keenum was given the helm, the Texans were whittled down to only the walking wounded and make shift poor excuses for "survivors." For any other QB, the fetal position and interceptions would have likely been the optional soup d'jour. I trust OB to sort things out one way or another. And it wouldn't surprise me if Keenum still comes out of camp as the best option.

I've been searching for the same words to express those exact thoughts. Thanks for articulating it for me.

 

[Blake]

Non-starts where a QB is getting thrown in for either cleanup or lost cause duty are pretty meaningless stats to compare.

Schaub's first 8 starts (3-5): 62.7% comp., 7.77 ypa, 255.5 ypg, 85.8 rating.
Keenum's first 8 starts (0-8): 54.2% comp., 7.0 ypa, 220.0 ypg, 78.2 rating.

Which is not to say Keenum has shown us everything he has (which frankly I think is absurd), but I'm not holding my breath over him making it either.

I still have high expectations for Keenum. 4 losses by 3 or less. I think a big plus for him is that he seems to be having fun out there and loves playing. I feel like he will make a huge leap this year.

 

[maddogmrb]

http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/5...eenum-highlight-reel-isnt-all-that-flattering

http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/352188-who-will-be-quarterback-for-texans.html

I think that first video shows what Keenum can do with a competent team around him. It was when the team fell apart in all the areas below that his game didn't look so good.

Improved Coaching = Yes
Improved Oline = Hopefully, Yes
Improved Running Game = Yes
Improved Special Teams = Yes
Improved Defense = Yes
Improved Keenum = Yes

 

[DocBar]

I watched Keenum just like everyone else did last year. He had very little to work with. Every rookie.........yes, I call him a rookie, as this was his first year in real live fire........shows the problems handling the blitz. However, those that are not surrounded by a strong support cast seldom can overcome the deficits they initially bring in. And, on top of that, if the game is not coached to their strengths, it becomes even uglier. Last year, by the time Keenum was given the helm, the Texans were whittled down to only the walking wounded and make shift poor excuses for "survivors." For any other QB, the fetal position and interceptions would have likely been the optional soup d'jour. I trust OB to sort things out one way or another. And it wouldn't surprise me if Keenum still comes out of camp as the best option.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Keenum wins the starting job. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Fitz/Yates/Savage won the starting job, either.

All I expect is honest, open competition and the best man wins. No favoritism.

I think we'll see this scenario at every position. I don't expect to see a lot of loyalty from the coaching staff. They didn't draft the vets on this team. That should improve the overall play of the team. imo.

 

[Seegara]

Can Keenum get better like those other two guys got better?

Sure.

No, in my opinion. The problems he has are not the kind you can learn out of. He's still ok as a backup.

Hope he proves me wrong.

 

[chenjy9]

Here is my personal take on it; I am not confident in our QB's at all. We all know what Fritz is capable of and quite frankly, it's not pretty. Yates is basically like a poor man's healthy Schaub IMHO, though that could have just been under Kubes.

Keenum to me right now is like a spark that most of us are wondering if after getting terrorized constantly (due to our lack of O-line and running game as well as his own seemingly inability to read blitzes) is not already snuffed out. Kid was a UDFA for a reason. He had flaws that made every team doubt him for 7 rounds. There is a much higher chance he turns out a scrub than like Foster. That said, I would not mind at all if he wins the starting spot during pre-season or season. I just want a starting QB for the Texans that can help us win. I don't care who he is. Hell, he can even be an alien from outer space.

Savage... I'll be honest, I only know as much of him as anyone else who reads scout articles, watch highlights, and listen to interviews. I love his arm though. I love the fact that he has a cannon of an arm. I love the fact that we will have to be more concerned about overthrowing folks for a change. Accuracy is a huge concern, but from what I understand from scouting articles, he got better the more he played (go figure). By all accounts, he is a tough guy. That said, so was Schaub until he completely broke down last season.

At the end of the day, I honestly just want us to win. I don't care if it's with a future Brees, Brady, or whoever. We have too much talent on our team to suck like we did last year. Granted, injuries played a huge part, but sometimes that's the roll of the dice. I am SUPER STOKED though about this season. We buffed the living hell out of our line and for the first time in a LOOONG time, the draft has me psyched out. Who's with me?

 

[EllisUnit]

FOR those who don't know me, I was the guy who defended those two during off-seasons, after their "seemingly" disastrous campaigns.

While doing so, I spent a lot of times breaking down several "perceived" terrible plays by the defendants.

Some claimed that I made them pro - bowlers while the usual thinking was that they stink.

That, by itself, is a "small" victory for the defendants, whether in the court of law or common "justice".
Just to make the jury explore the evidences that encompass the whole case rather than just zeroing in one target is always a good step. The final judgment is always in the hand of the jury.

Unfortunately, I don't have much time this year.
The regulars here can tell by my abscence.
They also know that I believe in Football as a team sport; it is won most often with a cohesive unit (Coaching, offense, defense, ST, and fans.)

All that said, I'd like to begin the "investigation" with Tom Brady in his second year with the Patriots.

Study his numbers from every aspect and they are really close to Keenum's

Then you look at each smaller unit.
Offensive weapons.
Running game.
The O-line.

Advantage Brady, by how much? It's hard to quantify; my thinking is the running game helped Brady more.

But when it comes to defense, I hate to say it, there was no contest.
Brady had nearly a ten point advantage.

And then there's ST.

...

I like Keenum a lot because he has it upstairs, but he's always limited in statue.
From day one, I've stressed that he needs to begin by observing Drew Brees.

Right now I think he plays more like a backup .

Whats with all this foolish talk i cant remember a single person debating with you HOW HORRIBLE KJ was. Hmmm you must be imagining things

 

[drs23]

...the draft has me psyched out. Who's with me?

OK, I'm in.

 

[Speedy]

Non-starts where a QB is getting thrown in for either cleanup or lost cause duty are pretty meaningless stats to compare.

Schaub's first 8 starts (3-5): 62.7% comp., 7.77 ypa, 255.5 ypg, 85.8 rating.
Keenum's first 8 starts (0-8): 54.2% comp., 7.0 ypa, 220.0 ypg, 78.2 rating.

Which is not to say Keenum has shown us everything he has (which frankly I think is absurd), but I'm not holding my breath over him making it either.

Peyton Manning's first 8 starts (1-7): 55.1% comp, 6.41 ypa, 234 ypg, 64.5 rating.

 

[badboy]

Keenum seemed to learn from his mistakes each year going back to college. I think Manziel did also for that matter. If OB cannot make him better than so be it but I like the spark I saw in teammates and fans when he was on field. Basically, Case is a soph this year and hopefully will show growth & I hope he will get lots of attention. We all want the best guy starting; if it turns out to be Keenum, as a local guy overcoming odds since high school, he will be a national story.

 

[DocBar]

Whats with all this foolish talk i cant remember a single person debating with you HOW HORRIBLE KJ was. Hmmm you must be imagining things

Wait...what?

 

[DocBar]

Peyton Manning's first 8 starts (1-7): 55.1% comp, 6.41 ypa, 234 ypg, 64.5 rating.

Who's Peyton Manning? When did he play for the Texans?

 

[EllisUnit]

Wait...what?

You ever heard that song "It wasnt me"

yeah denial is the easiest route in this situation !

 

[HJam72]

I really want Keenum to get a fair shot at it, but with no bias in his favor either.

 

[Arky]

I don't think Keenum really deserves the 0-8 w/l.... Yeah, he's stuck with it but like any stat, it's says things and doesn't say things...

In two of those games, he threw for 3 TD's and no INT's. That sounds like a QB doing his job to me. As mentioned, 4 losses were by 3 pts or less.... Also, relief pitcher Schaub entered a couple or three of those games and couldn't save the day....

Keenum's rating of 78.2 is respectable for a first real action, 1/2 a season QB. What was Andrew Luck's rating in his rookie year for the 11-5 Colts? 76.5. So much for QB stats...

OTOH, Keenum was somewhat painful to watch in some of the later games. I sometimes wonder if Keenum wasn't being given full support by a coaching staff that knew it was probably on the way out.....

At any rate, in 2013, if it wasn't the QB, it was the kicker, the defense or injury biting them in the butt..... that's how you end up 2-14....

 

[DocBar]

You ever heard that song "It wasnt me"

yeah denial is the easiest route in this situation !

hey brother!!

 

[thunderkyss]

FOR those who don't know me, I was the guy who defended those two during off-seasons, after their "seemingly" disastrous campaigns.

You're not the only one here who can spot good play when you see it. I was championing Chris Meyers before you got on board & I was defending the rookie KJ & the rookie Mario from day one.

There are others here who have also been on the right side of those players.

Some of those guys are on the other side of the Keenum debate.

All that said, I'd like to begin the "investigation" with Tom Brady in his second year with the Patriots.

Study his numbers from every aspect and they are really close to Keenum's

How many 15+ yard sacks did Tom Brady take? In 2000, Tom Brady took 41 sacks for 216 yards after 14 games. Keenum took 19 sacks for 201 yards in 8 games.

It's been a long time, but I can't ever remember watching Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers & saying WTF is he going?

...

I like Keenum a lot because he has it upstairs, but he's always limited in stature.

Right now I think he plays more like a backup .

Then maybe we are on the same side.

I'm not going to say he's never going to be anything. At the same time, I'm not going to say he deserves another shot.

I believe he's going to get another shot & hope he responds better to a different coach.

 

[maddogmrb]

I don't think Keenum really deserves the 0-8 w/l.... Yeah, he's stuck with it but like any stat, it's says things and doesn't say things...

In two of those games, he threw for 3 TD's and no INT's. That sounds like a QB doing his job to me. As mentioned, 4 losses were by 3 pts or less.... Also, relief pitcher Schaub entered a couple or three of those games and couldn't save the day....

Keenum's rating of 78.2 is respectable for a first real action, 1/2 a season QB. What was Andrew Luck's rating in his rookie year for the 11-5 Colts? 76.5. So much for QB stats...

OTOH, Keenum was somewhat painful to watch in some of the later games. I sometimes wonder if Keenum wasn't being given full support by a coaching staff that knew it was probably on the way out.....

At any rate, in 2013, if it wasn't the QB, it was the kicker, the defense or injury biting them in the butt..... that's how you end up 2-14....

Good points Arky. I think it was very obvious that the coaching staff wasn't preparing Keenum for the pressure he was facing and wasn't adjusting to what the defenses were doing. Perhaps they were coasting on their way out the door and it manifest in the play of basically a rookie QB.

Of course, Keenum must do a better job himself and I'm sure with competent coaching and an overall improved team he will look much better this year. If you look at his play in his first 3 games, when the team and coaches were still trying, you can see his potential. Does that get him the starting job ... remains to be seen.

 

[thunderkyss]

Curious what traits you think the second year (first year starter) version of Tom Brady had that Keenum doesn't, and why you think Keenum doesn't have them. Obviously, Brady has become one of the best QBs in NFL history, but because of that, people tend to over-inflate his play in those first couple years.

I'll give you that.

Brady fumbled the ball 12 times as a first year starter, in 14 games.

Keenum fumbled the ball 9 times in 8.

I've got no misconceptions about the guy Tom Brady was. He wasn't a great QB back then, but he was clutch. Always managing to get his team what they needed when they needed it most.

Can't say the same for first year Keenum.

So I understand the guys who are wanting to move on & find our franchise QB, because unless you see Romo as a franchise QB, it's hard to think about Keenum as the face of our franchise.

I think Romo is a franchise QB.

Still, I feel if we don't have a franchise QB, get me another Schaub. A healthy Schaub & I think Keenum can be that.

But don't stop looking for that franchise QB, even though you might hurt Keenum's feelings.

 

[Norg]

Keenum better hope he can make the team

if bob only wants to carry 2 QBS well then Kennum is in reallly big trouble

I'd take Yates over Case has of right now at least he won a PLayoff game and played decent against Balty

 

[thunderkyss]

At least Schaub won a game...

Schaub, in his worst season ever, won two games. He took 21 sacks for 162 yards.

As a first time starter, Schaub only took 16 sacks for 126 yards, finished with an 87.2 passer rating, & he punished teams for blitzing him.

 

[DocBar]

I'll give you that.

Brady fumbled the ball 12 times as a first year starter, in 14 games.

Keenum fumbled the ball 9 times in 8.

I've got no misconceptions about the guy Tom Brady was. He wasn't a great QB back then, but he was clutch. Always managing to get his team what they needed when they needed it most.

Can't say the same for first year Keenum.

So I understand the guys who are wanting to move on & find our franchise QB, because unless you see Romo as a franchise QB, it's hard to think about Keenum as the face of our franchise.

I think Romo is a franchise QB.

Still, I feel if we don't have a franchise QB, get me another Schaub. A healthy Schaub & I think Keenum can be that.

But don't stop looking for that franchise QB, even though you might hurt Keenum's feelings.

MSR for your last 2 posts in this thread. Good points and arguments.

 

[Hervoyel]

Schaub, in his worst season ever, won two games. He took 21 sacks for 162 yards.

As a first time starter, Schaub only took 16 sacks for 126 yards, finished with an 87.2 passer rating, & he punished teams for blitzing him.

It should be noted that Schaub became a starter after watching for three seasons behind Michael Vick in Atlanta. That's three training camps, three preseasons, a variety of appearances in 38 games (ranging from no-throwing cleanup-time hand-off duty to a pair of starts (one each in 2004 and 2005).

By the time Matt came to Houston to be a full time starter he'd already attempted 161 NFL passes, completing 84 of them for 1033 yards, and 6 TD's to go with his 6 INT's. About a 55% percent completion percentage.

He'd started out with a 42 passer rating in Atlanta and climbed up as high as 98 before settling back to 71.

Compared to Keenum's introduction to the starting QB job Schaub had it pretty damn good in terms of prep time. Even then he still only played in 11 games in 2007 and threw as many picks as touchdowns (9/9).

In his 8 games starting last year Keenum threw the ball 5 more times per game that Matt did in 2007. Keenum also threw for 9 TD's but only 6 picks. Neither one of them had much in the way of a running game. Schaub's protection was much better but more than that Schaub already knew how to handle being pressured at this level.

Matt won 3 games his first year here. Keenum won none in his. Matt had a passer rating over 100 in each of his 2007 wins. Keenum had a passer rating over 100 twice but both games were losses.

What does it all mean? To me it means the line between being a "success" who gets 7 seasons to run your course and being a failure who's already peaked after 8 games is a very fine line indeed. It probably means nothing really. just pointing out that those two players had completely different paths to their first chance at being the full-time starter on their respective teams.

I really wouldn't wish Keenum's so-called "opportunity" on any promising young QB much less on an UDFA that half the fan base thinks isn't worth the trouble to begin with.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Well, the good thing about having O'Brien come in without a starting QB is that we can be certain that Keenum will be analyzed and given a shot. If he does not pan out with O'Brien, then it should be fairly obvious when two different NFL staffs arrive at the same conclusion.

I'd love to see the kid make it and succeed, just because it's a great story. But, that said, story is a result, not a justification.

Keenum has had two opportunities that most undrafted free agents do not have at all... a clean opportunity to start for 8 games and a chance to outplay three Qbs that the organization/coaching staff does not have a significant investment.

I won't even consider arguing that it is fair, but a guy like him has to take advantage of situations no matter how bad. Last year he failed and mostly showed his weaknesses. Again not fair that the Texans were not a 'perfect' but he made nothing better. Getting an off-season to SHOW this new staff this he is a legitimate NFL STARTING qb is more than he could ever ask for after 2013.

 

[WolverineFan]

Good; which was supposed to be on the card.
Everybody (or so it seems) is on this; which is totally legitimate?

We'll get to that.

Whatever number you're looking at; can you do me a favor looking at Brady ' s ?

And I promise you it#2 just a start m

It's a legitimate question.
Aren't we asking of a world beater here?
No doubt we can use one.

I'm going to need your help deciphering all of this. I only made one post in this thread and you responded to it 4 different times with this gibberish. I really have no idea what you're getting at.

 

[thunderkyss]

Getting an off-season to SHOW this new staff this he is a legitimate NFL STARTING qb is more than he could ever ask for after 2013.

Which is why I don't understand all the bickering. It's going to happen. Keenum is going to get another chance. He'll prove some of us right & some of us wrong...

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Which is why I don't understand all the bickering. It's going to happen. Keenum is going to get another chance. He'll prove some of us right & some of us wrong...

some people want to be the smartest guy on the message board.

 

[eriadoc]

But don't stop looking for that franchise QB, even though you might hurt Keenum's feelings.

Hey, I've said all along that I want an honest competition (at every position, really). I want Savage and Yates to get an honest competition. And I want the best man to win. I want that best man to be Keenum, but I don't want Keenum to be handed the job like QBs in Texans past have. I am rooting for him to win the job, not to just be handed the job. If he doesn't win it, then I don't want him on the field. And I said the same thing about Schaub. If he was good enough to beat out Rosenfels and whoever else, then he shouldn't have had an issue if the job were put to an open competition. But it never was. If Keenum somehow wins the starting job, it'll be in large part because of his perseverance and mental toughness, a couple traits I think will serve him well throughout his NFL career, however long or short it may be.

So yeah, draft a QB every year. Just make sure the starter has to win the job. If he's good enough, that'll be the least of his (and the team's) concerns.

 

[corytx8]

There is really no point fussing over Case. I am pulling for the guy but I want what's best of the team. He is going to get his shot.


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[LikeMike]

There is a majory difference here. KJ and Myers were hated by the majority of the fanbase. Lots of people would`ve been happy just to get rid of them.

Most people here like Keenum. He is a cool guy, local guy, he had some exciting games, can do lots of throws. But he has his defficiencies. Mostly picking up the blitz, some because of his size, and it seems like he isn`t fast going through his reads. I don`t think many people hate him, if any. I think lots of people simply question, if he has the talent and the tools to develope into a franchise QB. And I don`t think many would want to cut him. If he looks great in camp and preseason, I think most people would be happy with him as a starter.