Keenan Allen-WR

[steelbtexan]

How long has his leg (foot) injury been lingering? A chronic foot injury that hasn't gone away for months now has to be concerning. If the guy has to run a good route to get separation how much does it effect a safety's play? Does it stretch the defense for other players? I gotta be honest, i'll defer to those who've seen him play because i've only read scouting reports, but I want a guy with speed to burn. I want a guy who forces a defensive coordinator to compromise. We have plenty of guys who challenge short and intermediate. If thats all Allen does...I think we need to look somewhere else.

Yep,

In the 2 games I've seen Allen, he's an underneath guy. I was hoping that they used him running the underneath stuff so that they could get the ball in his hands and not because he was speed deficient. After today my concerns have been validated. Dude can break tackles after the catch. But unless his speed improves he wil struggle in the pros.

Can somebody point me to a video where Allen runs a 9 route and blows by the CB/S?

He's a good WR, but doesn't stretch the field and the Texans need somebody that can strike fear into a defense. The WR doesn't have to be all-world, a T.Y. Hilton would suffice.

The guys I see that most closely resembles this type of WR are Hunter/Dobson/Goodwin/Nwachukwu. These guys could be had early and late.

If you want to give me Allen in the 2nd and Goodwin in the 4th I could get on board with that. Then you would have your slot guy (Allen) and your speed guy Goodwin to go along with AJ. These are the types of weapons that Schaub has been lacking.

 

[powda]

See I'm thinking exactly the opposite. Posey sat out much of his last college season. Played little in his rookie year, then was injured. And now is looking at missing his 2nd pro season. If the Texans ever get anything out of Posey, that's the bonus. And that's why they need a sure thing in this draft.

I dont expect any rookie wr to make an instant impact despite the recent success of jones & green. I feel about the time somone like allen will have given us an indication of his boom or bust potential, Posey will be back. The natural rookie integration period is going to be there regardless...so aim high. I was impressed with Posey and think he'll be ir'd till late season when he's eligible to come back. Jmo.

If we had someone like Torey Smith here i'd love Allen. We don't.


Badboy, damn good post.

 

[badboy]

Yep,

In the 2 games I've seen Allen, he's an underneath guy. I was hoping that they used him running the underneath stuff so that they could get the ball in his hands and not because he was speed deficient. After today my concerns have been validated. Dude can break tackles after the catch. But unless his speed improves he wil struggle in the pros.

Can somebody point me to a video where Allen runs a 9 route and blows by the CB/S?

He's a good WR, but doesn't stretch the field and the Texans need somebody that can strike fear into a defense. The WR doesn't have to be all-world, a T.Y. Hilton would suffice.

The guys I see that most closely resembles this type of WR are Hunter/Dobson/Goodwin/Nwachukwu. These guys could be had early and late.

If you want to give me Allen in the 2nd and Goodwin in the 4th I could get on board with that. Then you would have your slot guy (Allen) and your speed guy Goodwin to go along with AJ. These are the types of weapons that Schaub has been lacking.

What you get with Allen is a WR that runs with the DB, breaks loose keeping his body between the football and defender, catches it almost all the time and averages 12 yards. If you want a burner with deep stretch go with Terrence Williams. If you want a WR that is super solid in the areas Schaub like to throw go with Allen. If you want a WR that does it all, Da'Rick Rogers.

 

[steelbtexan]

What you get with Allen is a WR that runs with the DB, breaks loose keeping his body between the football and defender, catches it almost all the time and averages 12 yards. If you want a burner with deep stretch go with Terrence Williams. If you want a WR that is super solid in the areas Schaub like to throw go with Allen. If you want a WR that does it all, Da'Rick Rogers.

Agreed,

I hope Rodgers is there in the 2nd and BoB lets Rick/Gary draft him. If Rodgers is drafted I still want a speed guy in the later rds.

 

[beerlover]

I think this bumps him down to 2nd round.

This close to the draft and still unable to answer the bell -- I can't invest a 1st in such a fluid injury status.

More reason to trade down.

He has a first/second round grade. Guess what this means is a team needing WR help, like the Texans, would have to consider him a first round talent, while a team like the Giants would probably pass onto the second round being that WR is not that big of need for them.

As a would be scout, I would say his skill set, size & athletic ability matches up with what's expected of a first round WR talent. Unfortunate for him he got injured going into the biggest financial year of his life. I've watched a lot of tape of Keenan & he is often exposed because he was constantly targeted & Cal did not spread the ball around typical Tedford style.

Bottom line when he is fully recovered & that knee is stronger than ever it will be right around pre-season so he will get plenty of reps, fill in for Posey/Walter & most defiantly have an impact even early on. He is a tremendous talent & excellent character kid for Andre Johnson to mold.

 

[otisbean]

I just timed Allen on this play in fastenough.90. BTW, that's 1st lock CB Desmond Trufant (#6) in pursuit.

I like Allen, and if healthy would make a great pick @27. But, he's not healthy. This team is has a window and I don't think it needs to swing for the fence with high risk picks, be it injury or character concerns. That's why I would lean at this point to DeAndre Hopkins or Robert Woods at WR. They both have the talent and the production to project as a solid #2 WR, at least. And using scouting terminology, they're "clean" prospects. I think the Texans have to go "clean".

I agree. As a ND fan it pains me to say this, but Woods would be a great choice. He's coming off a down year numbers wise, due to an injury, the emergence of Lee and some spotty QB play, but he has a LOT of talent and would be an awesome #2 WR. I'd really love it if we could trade down and pick up an extra 3rd and grab Woods in the process.

 

[Wolf6151]

Do NFL teams get access to a prospects injury/medical records ie: X-rays and/or an MRI so that the teams physicians can review and give the team a fully informed opinion or do teams have to rely exclusively on what a prospect and/or his agent tells them?

 

[otisbean]

Do NFL teams get access to a prospects injury/medical records ie: X-rays and/or an MRI so that the teams physicians can review and give the team a fully informed opinion or do teams have to rely exclusively on what a prospect and/or his agent tells them?

I would bet they do, I believe I've heard of teams conducting their own tests, x-rays, MRIs ect.. It would be tough to commit big $$$ to a player without knowing their medical history

 

[IDEXAN]

If I were going to compare a WR prospect to Allen, it would be former Seahawk Koren Robinson. Good size, but very quick with excellent run after catch ability.

NFL COMPARISON Jordy Nelson
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/keenan-allen?id=2540154
So if we are making comparisons of Draft prospects to active NFL players, NFL.Com compares Allen to Jordy Nelson, FWIW ?
And sorry, gotta keep beating the drum for Robert Woods if you want a player with real
sprinter-track speed who's also a legit WR, because he's the only one who really qualifies IMO other than Cordarrelle Patterson whom will be selected very early in the Draft well before the Texans choice.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Do NFL teams get access to a prospects injury/medical records ie: X-rays and/or an MRI so that the teams physicians can review and give the team a fully informed opinion or do teams have to rely exclusively on what a prospect and/or his agent tells them?

That's one of the purposes of the Combine.

They give all these guys physicals and if they have a history of injuries, they get X Rays and MRIs to evaluate their current status. This information is released to all the teams.

When prospects make visits to particular teams, those teams can have their own doctors take a look.

 

[badboy]

NFL COMPARISON Jordy Nelson
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/keenan-allen?id=2540154
So if we are making comparisons of Draft prospects to active NFL players, NFL.Com compares Allen to Jordy Nelson, FWIW ?
And sorry, gotta keep beating the drum for Robert Woods if you want a player with real
sprinter-track speed who's also a legit WR, because he's the only one who really qualifies IMO other than Cordarrelle Patterson whom will be selected very early in the Draft well before the Texans choice.

What are you talking about?
Da'rick Rogers 4.43
Terrence Williams 4.48
Quinton Patton 4.48
Justin Hunter 4.36
Aaron Dobson 4.43

Most are as big if not bigger. All are good receivers. Woods is good but not the only one.

 

[IDEXAN]

What are you talking about?
Da'rick Rogers 4.43
Terrence Williams 4.48
Quinton Patton 4.48
Justin Hunter 4.36
Aaron Dobson 4.43

Most are as big if not bigger. All are good receivers. Woods is good but not the only one.

He has bests of 21.01 in the 200 (fourth fastest in the nation in 2010) and 46.17 in the 400 (second fastest in the nation in 2010)
http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/woods_robert00.html
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That's real top-end speed, the kind needed to create real seperation on a fly-route against a fast corner. And go look at some tape on Woods, he's got everything needed to be a #1 WR in the NFL.

 

[rmartin65]

He has bests of 21.01 in the 200 (fourth fastest in the nation in 2010) and 46.17 in the 400 (second fastest in the nation in 2010)
http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/woods_robert00.html
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That's real top-end speed, the kind needed to create real seperation on a fly-route against a fast corner. And go look at some tape on Woods, he's got everything needed to be a #1 WR in the NFL.

When the field becomes 200 or 400 meters long, Woods will be my guy.

Woods is not a burner. He gets the job done due to shiftiness, body control, and hands. I am a big fan, but you are banging on the wrong drum IMO.

 

[IDEXAN]

When the field becomes 200 or 400 meters long, Woods will be my guy.

Woods is not a burner. He gets the job done due to shiftiness, body control, and hands. I am a big fan, but you are banging on the wrong drum IMO.

There's the initial burst at the los when the ball is snapped which is an indication of exlosiveness, then there's the long-sprint down the field by receivers on deep routes where a 200 time is perhaps even more indicative of top-end speed needed to seperate from the DB coverage.

 

[rmartin65]

There's the initial burst at the los when the ball is snapped which is an indication of exlosiveness, then there's the long-sprint down the field by receivers on deep routes where a 200 time is perhaps even more indicative of top-end speed needed to seperate from the DB coverage.

Routes longer than 40 yards are pretty rare. I think 40 yards is just fine for testing someone's deep speed. If you need those 40 yards to get passed someone, you wont be a good receiver in the NFL.

The initial burst and "wiggle" are far more important.

 

[Playoffs]

What are you talking about?
Da'rick Rogers 4.43
Terrence Williams 4.48
Quinton Patton 4.48
Justin Hunter 4.36
Aaron Dobson 4.43

Most are as big if not bigger. All are good receivers. Woods is good but not the only one.

Yeah, but what are their 200 meter times?

 

[Rey]

I like Allen, but I like other guys more...

He's a good player though...

 

[IDEXAN]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...board-the-pros-and-cons-of-keenan-allens-game
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Here's an excellent "pros & cons" breakdown on Allen at one site.

 

[76Texan]

Idexan, on the other hand, Hunter is a good athlete in long jump and high jump.


Hunter attended Ocean Lakes High School in Virginia Beach, Virginia. He was ranked as the eighth best wide receiver recruit in his class by Rivals.com. Hunter was also a standout in track and field. As a junior in 2009, Hunter won the state title in both the long jump,and high jump. As a senior in 2010, he won the state title in the long jump,high jump,and triple jump. Hunter was the 2010 USA junior national champion in the long jump, and represented the USA at the 2010 IAAF World Junior Championships

 

[Insideop]

I just timed Allen on this play in fastenough.90. BTW, that's 1st lock CB Desmond Trufant (#6) in pursuit.

I like Allen, and if healthy would make a great pick @27. But, he's not healthy. This team is has a window and I don't think it needs to swing for the fence with high risk picks, be it injury or character concerns. That's why I would lean at this point to DeAndre Hopkins or Robert Woods at WR. They both have the talent and the production to project as a solid #2 WR, at least. And using scouting terminology, they're "clean" prospects. I think the Texans have to go "clean".

I have to agree with this. I am a fan of Allen and wanted the Texans to draft him, but with this speed/injury concern maybe they should change their focus more to Hopkins or Woods. Hopkins has always been high on my list anyway, and I think he is more physical and has better hands than Allen or Woods. Still, in a couple of weeks when the Draft is upon us, if Allen, Woods, and Hopkins are all there at #27, I wonder what the Texans would do.