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Kareem Jackson Safety

It just seems like to me 76 is not ready to give up on Kareem just yet. Maybe he should have been picked later on in the draft or maybe he should not have been a full time starter as a rookie but that is not his fault. That falls on Gary and Rick. The key is he needs to improve just like everyone on the defense does including the safeties and the defensive line or he should lose his job.
 
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76Texan said:
Lucky, you contradict yourself from time to time.

At times, you would say "coach speech" or "GM speech", then you would turn around and turn "their speeches" to fit the need.

I believe I've been quite consistent.
I've never claimed Jackson to have top speed.
In fact, I was the one who raised the question pre-draft and put him as low first round, early second round even after the combine due to same concern.
(I've watched plenty of his college tapes pre-draft, thank you, I understand game speed).

Any "outrageous" claim I put up, I always try to back them up with game tape analysis (and with young Gary's help I will have screen shots to show - video clips are reserved for the future since I've admitted to be technical-challenged).

Trust me, as time permits, I will tally the scenarios around all the tackles the guys made or missed.

On the other hand, you brought up a few vids available on the net, which I had answers for.
(One of them I have not gotten to is the back shoulder fade TD pass in the Giants game - because that one was on Jackson; but if you listen to the commentators, it was impossible to defend when the Qb and the receiver get on the same page. During the draft period, a cetain TE came up on the NFL network to show how nasty it was - When Gary learns me how to do these technical stuffs, I will present it to you.)
I have stated this concern as well when I presented Jackson's college game analysis just after we drafted him.

Once, you claimed that the Texans edge rushers had never seen a single snap as OLB in the 3-4.
You never backed it up.
I had to bring up some games to show that they were.

Oddly, you were fine with Brooks Reed as an OLB when he had but 4 snaps at OLB throughout his college career (plus some at the Sr. Bowl).

I wonder if you can tally all the tackles and miss-tackles for Jackson to prove your point!?!
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Jackson was bad last yr. But Gary put him in a no win situation. I believe when it's all said and done Jackson will be a serviceable no.2 CB.

There's something about moving the 2 starting CB's to S that seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Doing this would be very Gary like though.

If Phillips moves Jackson/Quin to S I could get on board with the move. I trust Phillips knows what he's doing. In Phillips defense the S have to be able to cover and moving Quin and Jackson to S would accomplish this. But I'm not sure about Quin/Jacksons tackling abilities as the last line of defense.

A secondary of Taylor, Allen, Harris, Carmicheal at CB and Jackson, Quin, and Nolan at S would be much better in coverage and probably help in creating turnovers. Atleast they would be better than last yrs secondary.
 
76Texan said:
When my young friend Gary (you may know of him on this MB) finishes teaching me how to take screen shot and upload picture to the forum, I will!
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Find something you want to take a picture of. Press the "Print Screen" key on your keyboard (Should be up high on the keyboard, same row as your F1 - F12 keys). If you are using windows open up mspaint, easiest way to do that is press Start -> Run -> Type "mspaint.exe". Should open up a basic art program that you can immediately press "Ctrl + v" to paste the picture into the paint program. Save as "Kareem Jackson Fell Down.jpg" because you are almost assuredly taking a picture of Kareem Jackson falling down.

Hope this helps!
 
b0ng said:
Find something you want to take a picture of. Press the "Print Screen" key on your keyboard (Should be up high on the keyboard, same row as your F1 - F12 keys). If you are using windows open up mspaint, easiest way to do that is press Start -> Run -> Type "mspaint.exe". Should open up a basic art program that you can immediately press "Ctrl + v" to paste the picture into the paint program. Save as "Kareem Jackson Fell Down.jpg" because you are almost assuredly taking a picture of Kareem Jackson falling down.

Hope this helps!
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I am already helping him via a PM just an FYI.
 
News Flash: Texans secondary bad from day one of this franchise. Texans have tried everything, from franchising their best corner (Dunta) overpaying free agents (Reeves) to over-value drafting 1st rd talent (Jackson). Now reality has set in they went about it intelligently & correctly identified starting caliber talent 2nd/3rd days on the 2011 draft (Harris, Carmichael).

Despite all the negativity I read concerning Jackson, some of it well deserved, its too early to give up on such a well rounded, athletic press corner, which is what he is. Texans will need to shade over him & do a better job covering up his long speed & deep routes teams will attack him with. Will also help to actually have a pass rush to prevent these deep routes from occurring in the first place.

The Texans have enough talent to get by for the first time & if they can add a quality veteran CB in free agency, these young guys will not be exposed to breakdowns in coverage like last season. I'll also predict one of these young corners will rise to the top & become that shutdown CB Texans have coveted, Kareem will be in that mix, but now he's got company in Brandon Harris & the Roc Carmichael. Patience required.
 
I think much of the analysis of the secondary has to be taken with a grain of salt. I've tried to evaluate the talent from last year and apply it to next season but it's nearly impossible. When we watched this team last season there were times that you couldn't figure out what the hell anyone was doing. The defense was just so poorly designed. The position coaching in the secondary alone was just awful.

I don't know how you can look at guys like Quin, Pollard or McCain who all clearly regressed and not think there's more to it than their abilities.

Jackson's first season is almost a wash to me. You almost have to just start over with the rookies. I just don't think he got a fair shake. Is he any good? I don't know. I don't think we can know.

It was so apparent to me that guys were playing slow and confused. I just don't see how the entire unit got worse by themselves. I think it was just a massive failure from the staff as a whole.
 
gary said:
It just seems like to me 76 is not ready to give up on Kareem just yet. Maybe he should have been picked later on in the draft or maybe he should not have been a full time starter as a rookie but that is not his fault.
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I think it's a combination, forced into the role of full-time starter. Most rookie CBs aren't thrown into the game like that. Not even the special ones.

Then being on such a poorly coached secondary couldn't have helped,

Then not having a true mentor.

KJ is a rookie. He looked like a rookie.

Let's move on.
 
steelbtexan said:
Jackson was bad last yr. But Gary put him in a no win situation. I believe when it's all said and done Jackson will be a serviceable no.2 CB.

There's something about moving the 2 starting CB's to S that seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Doing this would be very Gary like though.

If Phillips moves Jackson/Quin to S I could get on board with the move. I trust Phillips knows what he's doing. In Phillips defense the S have to be able to cover and moving Quin and Jackson to S would accomplish this. But I'm not sure about Quin/Jacksons tackling abilities as the last line of defense.

A secondary of Taylor, Allen, Harris, Carmicheal at CB and Jackson, Quin, and Nolan at S would be much better in coverage and probably help in creating turnovers. Atleast they would be better than last yrs secondary.
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What do you do with Dominique Barber?
 
gary said:
If one safety and vet CB is signed then that would great.
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I'm with ya Gary, but while I'm dreaming I will request a vet QB to back up Matt, A vet NT more than 320lbs, a vet #2 WR, a vet ILB to be insurance for Demeco and.....
 
texanchris said:
No way, I wouldn't trust kareem to be our last line of defense.
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Ok but explain why. His responsibilities would be different so make your case. Keep in mind I was the most vociferous voice against him being picked on the MB. I want to know why you made that decision. Please don't take this as me calling you out.
 
badboy said:
Ok but explain why. His responsibilities would be different so make your case. Keep in mind I was the most vociferous voice against him being picked on the MB. I want to know why you made that decision. Please don't take this as me calling you out.
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The Texans have enough question marks on the defensive side of the ball without trying to switch a cornerback to saftey. I dont think hes enough of a ball hawk to play free saftey or physical enough to play strong saftey. Maybe in any other offseason i wouldnt mind the change but with the uncertainty of the lockout and considering how bad he played last year and how many times he fell down i would rather have some one with experience playing saftey as our last line of defense. I would rather keep him at the position he is most comfortable with and played at in college rather than teach him a new position that i dont think hes ever played before. I still think he can become a good number 2 cornerback and there are better options that could be signed in free agency like Weddle or Huff.
 
texanchris said:
The Texans have enough question marks on the defensive side of the ball without trying to switch a cornerback to saftey. I dont think hes enough of a ball hawk to play free saftey or physical enough to play strong saftey. Maybe in any other offseason i wouldnt mind the change but with the uncertainty of the lockout and considering how bad he played last year and how many times he fell down i would rather have some one with experience playing saftey as our last line of defense. I would rather keep him at the position he is most comfortable with and played at in college rather than teach him a new position that i dont think hes ever played before. I still think he can become a good number 2 cornerback and there are better options that could be signed in free agency like Weddle or Huff.
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What are your thoughts about Wade moving 3rd year CB Quin to FS?
 
badboy said:
What are your thoughts about Wade moving 3rd year CB Quin to FS?
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There are better options out there but if the Texans decide not to sign any safteys in free agency then i would rather have Quin back there than Jackson. Some people have been asking to move Quin to saftey since we have drafted him and i think he cant be a solid saftey in the NFL. The only problem i see with switching Quin to saftey is that he was our best cornerback last year which isnt saying much but we would plug one hole on the defense and open up another at the cornerback position.
 
beerlover said:
Despite all the negativity I read concerning Jackson, some of it well deserved, its too early to give up on such a well rounded, athletic press corner, which is what he is.

I'll also predict one of these young corners will rise to the top & become that shutdown CB Texans have coveted, Kareem will be in that mix, but now he's got company in Brandon Harris & the Roc Carmichael. Patience required.
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For the record, I haven't "given up" on Jackson. I just don't think he should be handed a starting job, as he was last season. With the additions through the draft, and hopefully free agency, I don't think a starting will fall into his lap. If he's one of the best CBs the Texans have, that's great. If not, his draft status should not dictate his playing time.
 
badboy said:
What do you do with Dominique Barber?
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IMO, Barber didn't make the team 2 yrs. ago because he was any good, he made the team because of the lack of talent or depth at the position. Barber is a terrible Safety and should be buying a ticket to the game like the rest of us.
 
**** let me play the SS spot ..... 6'3" 230 and I think I can run a 40 about as fast as the typical lineman ..... but I can make good reads , take good angles and tackle with good technique.

Dont know how long I'd last tho , Im kinda over the hill .... :runaway:
 
Corrosion said:
**** let me play the SS spot ..... 6'3" 230 and I think I can run a 40 about as fast as the typical lineman ..... but I can make good reads , take good angles and tackle with good technique.

Dont know how long I'd last tho , Im kinda over the hill .... :runaway:
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Since we're signing up, I'll take the CB spot!

Who says we're too old? Matt Turk is older than we are. :D
 
texanchris said:
There are better options out there but if the Texans decide not to sign any safteys in free agency then i would rather have Quin back there than Jackson. Some people have been asking to move Quin to saftey since we have drafted him and i think he cant be a solid saftey in the NFL. The only problem i see with switching Quin to saftey is that he was our best cornerback last year which isnt saying much but we would plug one hole on the defense and open up another at the cornerback position.
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Unless the plan is to get a veteran CB through FA or trade, or both.

If they believe they have a better than good opportunity to bring in quality players (& with a coach like Wade on the defense, I think our chances will be better than they ever have been), so what if he was our best corner back? I think he can be a solid CB in this league.. maybe a pro bowl Safety.

& just like Gary was able to cobble together an offense with UDFAs like Briesel, and Foster, guys looking for an opportunity, like Walter & Leach, third/fourth round picks like Winston & OD..... Wade can probably take a guy you (or I) wouldn't think much of & putting together a helluva team.
 
Corrosion said:
**** let me play the SS spot ..... 6'3" 230 and I think I can run a 40 about as fast as the typical lineman ..... but I can make good reads , take good angles and tackle with good technique.

Dont know how long I'd last tho , Im kinda over the hill .... :runaway:
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Ok, but $4million a year is my final offer. Take it or leave it.

:spit:
 
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