Brandon420tx
Flounder
You don't release KJ, you let him play out his contract and tell him he needs to earn his next one.
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Kareem Jackson is HISTORY?
- Thread starter SoCalTexanFan
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Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
Ahhhh, Jedi mind trickery!
eriadoc
Texan-American
You know how players that have supposedly out-performed their contracts hold out for a renegotiated contract? The Texans need to hold out on KJ. He's under-performed his first round contract.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Rookie contracts aren't that draining to the salary cap. When I said have him play out his contract to earn a new one, I really meant, earn a new contract with a different team in Free Agency. If he holds out let him, If we can trade him towards the end of his contract to a team that does want to pay him money, even better. There is no reason what-so-ever right now to cut him.
Are we going to have better CB's on the roster as they all develope, Very Likely. Should we throw away a commodity and depth just because he had a horrid rookie season. No.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I'm disappointed in Jackson's progress, but you hold onto him for now. Give him a 3rd year to see if he can develop further. He's obviously struggling with the adjustment, but he won't be a defense killer next year despite being the weakest link.
Cut Jones.
Cut Jones.
I agree he will be here but I hope he doesn't win the starting spot. If he does I may not make it through the whole season
fiasco west
All Pro
Why not root for the young player who we have some investment in to make another stride of improvement and solidify himself as the clear #2?
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Because he hates first round picks. Next season he will start his campaign against Cushing, then after that Watt
Under the old CBA, 1st rounders, especially top 10 picks, were VERY draining on the cap. The new CBA is much more friendly regarding rookie contracts.
TexCanada
All Pro
I really don't see how people can be down on the guy. The only reason he didn't meet expectations were because we expected him to be a pro-bowler in his first year. The reality is that going into his third year he has made some decent progress and with a few improvements can have a place in this league for a long time.
He may never be a #1 corner, and he may never make a pro bowl, but he has been a contributor on a damn good defense all year long. I have no issues with that at all.
He may never be a #1 corner, and he may never make a pro bowl, but he has been a contributor on a damn good defense all year long. I have no issues with that at all.
You could also say that Jackson benefited from playing behind a very good defense and having a Pro Bowl corner opposite. While he's no longer losing games, I still think the #2 CB spot is the weak link of the defense.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
KJ got almost 14 mil over 5 years. With a huge chunk of that at 10 mil gaurunteed. It will cost more to cut him early than to keep him in his rookie contract. This was only year 2 of his contract, 3 more to go, 2 more before you start making decision of whether he stays or goes unless he regresses back to his rookie play level
KJ got better as the season went along, but the bar wasn't set very high for him, either. It would've been damned near impossible for him not to show some improvement over last season. He's still not in the same hemisphere with a shutdown type CB and probably never will be. We're all sitting here getting all excited because he actually turned his head and looked for the ball today. That's a WOW occassion for KJ. Not so much for good to better CBs' in the league.
I'm not hollering to cut him. I was just pointing out the differences in the CBA regarding top 10 picks. KJ was picked 17th or so, so his salary isn't as onerous as a top 10.
Out of the other 31 teams, give me some names of true #2 corner
you will take over KJ. (That goes for everybody who continues to say similarly).
And pray show/tell us about those guys.
GP
Go Texans!
You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.
Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.
Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).
Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.
If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.
I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.
Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.
Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).
Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.
If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.
I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.
I've always wanted quin to be our #2 corner and look into trying to find another safety through draft or FA or put nolan out there.
aussie_texan
Veteran
Kareem played well he had good coverage just unlucky that flacco made some good throws and the WRs made some amazing catches.
one knock for me on KJ is that he needs to locate the ball earlier. but i think that will come. i have seen enough profession from last year to this year to stick with him for another season or two.
one knock for me on KJ is that he needs to locate the ball earlier. but i think that will come. i have seen enough profession from last year to this year to stick with him for another season or two.
Kareem has gotten progressively better this season. He had good coverage on those long receptions. Sometimes you just can't stop a perfect throw and catch. Next year he will have the benefit of playoff experience. Jacoby Jones has GOT to go! We shouldn't feel too bad. Just think how bad the Packers and Saints fans feel.
GP
Go Texans!
Here's to an open-minded fan.
I tip my hat to you, good Sir!
Don't get too excited. I don't care where you think I stand on it, nor if you're happy with my current upswing in attitude toward him, because it takes one game next season for me to switch party affiliation. Two years is a long time, IMO, and he hit a groove today that I expected him to make in about game 1 of this season.
Look, TODAY was the first game in two years where he looked like he belonged as CB2 out there. Frankly, it is Year 3 where he is going to progress or settle back into mediocrity.
It's up to him, not you and not me. KJ has to decide if he holds himself to the standard of today's play (and builds upon it) or if he settles back into a rut of being outfought and outran and outplayed.
GP
Go Texans!
I don't like how I criticize the problems I saw in KJ prior to today's game, but today I come out and say "I saw a lot of GREAT things about KJ today" and suddenly I'm getting Internet high-fives for complimenting him.
I've even received rep from a separate poster for the post where I spoke in glowing terms of Kareem Jackson.
Hows about instead of giving me Internet high-fives, or giving me rep, some of you just choose to NOT berate me and insult my analysis of KJ in the future? That would mean more to me than patting me on my back when I "finally" say good things about him.
IMO, this reveals who has an agenda (as we love to say in this type of topic about KJ) and who is just calling it like they see it. I catch hell from all angles for critiquing KJ and not being soft in my comments, but today I go Dairy Queen soft-serve, which KJ deserves, and now I'm on people's Christmas List again. LOL.
News Flash: I was one of only about 3 posters at the start of this season who thought Jacoby was going to be a huge factor in our season this year...I just never dreamt it would be a NEGATIVE factor. By the Raiders game, I saw that I was wrong in my analysis on him...he needed to go THEN and he needs to go NOW, even more-so.
That's how fast a player's stock can drop in the NFL. And for two years, minus today's playoff game, KJ showed me nothing to get excited about. Today, he showed me a lot...but this season is over, unfortunately, and now he has a long way to go before showing what he can do in Game 1 of the 2012 season.
For all I know, today was a fluke. After all, I saw similar flashes in the pan with Jacoby all his previous seasons here...and we see how THAT turned out.
Not trying to be rude to the few posters who are probably fuming that they paid me compliments and had it turned around on them like I have done here. I'm just saying that a few of you have been very harsh to me and now you're nice as pie. It would be nice to just know where I stand with people, that's all. And that's easy to do with the guys here that I've known on here for the past 10 years. A few of you should know that I call it like I see it. No agendas with GP.
I've even received rep from a separate poster for the post where I spoke in glowing terms of Kareem Jackson.
Hows about instead of giving me Internet high-fives, or giving me rep, some of you just choose to NOT berate me and insult my analysis of KJ in the future? That would mean more to me than patting me on my back when I "finally" say good things about him.
IMO, this reveals who has an agenda (as we love to say in this type of topic about KJ) and who is just calling it like they see it. I catch hell from all angles for critiquing KJ and not being soft in my comments, but today I go Dairy Queen soft-serve, which KJ deserves, and now I'm on people's Christmas List again. LOL.
News Flash: I was one of only about 3 posters at the start of this season who thought Jacoby was going to be a huge factor in our season this year...I just never dreamt it would be a NEGATIVE factor. By the Raiders game, I saw that I was wrong in my analysis on him...he needed to go THEN and he needs to go NOW, even more-so.
That's how fast a player's stock can drop in the NFL. And for two years, minus today's playoff game, KJ showed me nothing to get excited about. Today, he showed me a lot...but this season is over, unfortunately, and now he has a long way to go before showing what he can do in Game 1 of the 2012 season.
For all I know, today was a fluke. After all, I saw similar flashes in the pan with Jacoby all his previous seasons here...and we see how THAT turned out.
Not trying to be rude to the few posters who are probably fuming that they paid me compliments and had it turned around on them like I have done here. I'm just saying that a few of you have been very harsh to me and now you're nice as pie. It would be nice to just know where I stand with people, that's all. And that's easy to do with the guys here that I've known on here for the past 10 years. A few of you should know that I call it like I see it. No agendas with GP.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
I know there were definitely 2 or 3 times today while watching the game, that I yelled out, "There you go Kareem!" I felt like a teamate, rooting on a guy that hasn't quite got it, who seems to be getting better. Kareem is not at fault at all for the loss today. Shame on you're inability to properly analyze football.
Jacoby Fumble, 3 Interceptions. THAT is what cost us the game. Get real people. 17 points off of turnovers....SEVENTEEN!!!!!! Take that away and it's 13-3. The 2 touchdowns came on a VERY short field. The Defense played OUTSTANDING today and I was very proud of them. Arian and AJ played very well. Walter, smh, that last pass hit his shoulder, and if he would have turned only slightly more. As it stands though, I think the Pats are going to make the Ravens look like the Broncos. I think the Ravens D is quite a bit over rated...especially going into New England. 35-10 Pats.
Going forward, we definitely need a #2 WR, I think Walter comes back as the #3 and Lestar Jean may also make the team. We need a P/K/R. I'd rather we find someone that specializes in the 2, so that we don't risk injury to Manning. I'd also like some additional CB help. I think Jackson and Allen are better than 60% of your CB's out there...real talk. McCain is a good cover, but as someone stated earlier...too short. We definitely go with a WR first round, unless it's a reach, then we go BPA I think. Last year was all D and I think we're mostly set. We're mostly looking for second teamers this year in the draft, and that is awesome.
Before we all get too excited about free agency, let's remember, we have both Foster and Williams coming up for a contract. I'm hoping Williams won't ask for a whole lot, and Foster doesn't seem like a knuckle head like the dude on the Traitors. I think we bring them back. Our depth was shockingly good this year. What a fight this team put together. I wouldn't mind getting another QB project maybe in a late round, other than that.
What a season! Best one in 10 years...obviously, but we surely weren't the "same ol Texans' Hey, you let those Cowboy fans know that we have as many playoff wins as they do in the last decade...and we did it with our 3rd string rookie. Get off it Dallas, there's a new king in Texas!
Jacoby Fumble, 3 Interceptions. THAT is what cost us the game. Get real people. 17 points off of turnovers....SEVENTEEN!!!!!! Take that away and it's 13-3. The 2 touchdowns came on a VERY short field. The Defense played OUTSTANDING today and I was very proud of them. Arian and AJ played very well. Walter, smh, that last pass hit his shoulder, and if he would have turned only slightly more. As it stands though, I think the Pats are going to make the Ravens look like the Broncos. I think the Ravens D is quite a bit over rated...especially going into New England. 35-10 Pats.
Going forward, we definitely need a #2 WR, I think Walter comes back as the #3 and Lestar Jean may also make the team. We need a P/K/R. I'd rather we find someone that specializes in the 2, so that we don't risk injury to Manning. I'd also like some additional CB help. I think Jackson and Allen are better than 60% of your CB's out there...real talk. McCain is a good cover, but as someone stated earlier...too short. We definitely go with a WR first round, unless it's a reach, then we go BPA I think. Last year was all D and I think we're mostly set. We're mostly looking for second teamers this year in the draft, and that is awesome.
Before we all get too excited about free agency, let's remember, we have both Foster and Williams coming up for a contract. I'm hoping Williams won't ask for a whole lot, and Foster doesn't seem like a knuckle head like the dude on the Traitors. I think we bring them back. Our depth was shockingly good this year. What a fight this team put together. I wouldn't mind getting another QB project maybe in a late round, other than that.
What a season! Best one in 10 years...obviously, but we surely weren't the "same ol Texans' Hey, you let those Cowboy fans know that we have as many playoff wins as they do in the last decade...and we did it with our 3rd string rookie. Get off it Dallas, there's a new king in Texas!
GP
Go Texans!
I was eerily calm today when I saw a pass thrown to KJ's side. In fact, I fully expected him to be OK when targeted. He really did turn it up a notch today.
I wonder if it just took all the pressure in the world to come down on KJ for him to flip that switch. I know that Saban was NOT enthusiastic about KJ entering the draft a year early. Saban endorsed the other 'Bama guys who declared for that draft, but he went silent when asked about KJ (or had some sort of lack of support for KJ declaring early, due to Saban thinking he wasn't ready).
Maybe Saban knew that KJ needed another year. This would mean that KJ would have had THIS kind of season as a rookie. Maybe KJ truly was not developed enough to handle CB2 duties in the NFL, and for all that we don't like about Saban....he saw it and spoke up about it at the time. Call Saban a royal doosh all you want, but he hit the nail on the head about KJ needing more time at the collegiate level. His rookie year was blood-in-the-water bad. Period.
KJ has to play like this every week now. He has to enter Johnathan Joseph territory and try to be like him. Every week. I think, no...I am HOPING...that KJ made a jump today. He played his butt off.
I think you deserve rep for this post, you're spot on. Except I don't think anyone has berated you or your analysis... We (I) may think you're wrong most of the time, but that's not the same as berating you.
I don't think Kareem did much today, that he hasn't been doing all season. He got his hands on a few more balls, I think because Flacco was trying to force the ball to his best receiver.
Kj covers his receiver, but just like every other game, he has no feel for where the ball is. Yes, Lee Evens made a circus catch. Yes, all the catches on Kj today were made despite good coverage.
That's life in the NFL. He's got to get better & I think he will. This is where he should have been at the end of last season, but the circumstances did not allow it.
Anyway, this is what I've been saying since about week 8 or 9.... balls don't go Kj's way, because his guy is usually "covered"
We play a lot of man coverage, probably more than any other team in the league & we've got the #2 (or #3) pass defense in the league.
Yes, the front 7 has a lot to do with that, but we've also gotten more coverage sacks than ever before.
TexCanada
All Pro
I think his ceiling appears to be as a #2 corner. We can sit here and complain that we want him to be a #1 corner, but he as a #2 corner he can still be a part of this D. Somebody has to fill that role and I have no problem with him doing that as long as he makes a few more minor improvements. If we can find somebody better to replace him then great, but #2 CB is not a major need for this team.
GP
Go Texans!
You never dogged me this season, TK. Yeah, you and I have some good back and forths where we might push the limit...but we still hug and shake hands at the end of the day. The old wolf and sheep dog act from the cartoons, and all that jazz.
I'd like to say more, but I want to stay above the fray and stuff. I made my point to the ones who dogged me all year and now today are repping me for being positive about their guy.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
Seriously? What game were you watching? I saw a new and improved KJ that i havent seen all year. He ran with his receviers and looked back to find the ball to bat it away. The receivers just hads some super glue on thier gloves. KJ did his job, if he can play like that always, we'll be good.
GP
Go Texans!
I am going to go on record here and just say "I'm sorry" for posting my frustrations out loud instead of perhaps Private Messaging people to discuss my problems with them. My bad, sincerely.
No moderator asked me to do this, I just love this place (and the people here!) so much that I don't ever want to do anything to get banned. This place is where my friends live.
To 76 and BuddyBoy, I apologize. I cannot see inside your head and rightfully judge why you say, or do, or think what you think (whether it has to do with what you think or what you think of what I think). And I think, LOL, I am guilty of having internalized a lot of this stuff to the point that it made me mad.
And so a public transgression deserves a public apology.
Kareem played his butt off today. Enuff said.
No moderator asked me to do this, I just love this place (and the people here!) so much that I don't ever want to do anything to get banned. This place is where my friends live.
To 76 and BuddyBoy, I apologize. I cannot see inside your head and rightfully judge why you say, or do, or think what you think (whether it has to do with what you think or what you think of what I think). And I think, LOL, I am guilty of having internalized a lot of this stuff to the point that it made me mad.
And so a public transgression deserves a public apology.
Kareem played his butt off today. Enuff said.
badboy
Hall of Fame
DiscoTuna...you attack a poster who has years of serious positive reps from folks reading his stuff concerning college players? At least have the testicles to come with opinions showing where Rmartin65 is wrong. I have known 65 for a very long time and believe he is right on target 90% of time not the other way around that you state. I don't recall you even posting a mock so where are your credentials?
You made what appears to be a racial slur against a black Texan & that offends me. Why can't you just state your opinion about 65 & KJ and then support your position with examples rather than slide into sewer mode? You come across like a child on the play ground whimpering "nana pooh pooh".
My opinion is Rmartin65 has forgotten more knowledge on football that you appear to know. Man up dude and participate in the mock draft forum on a regular basis rather than being a strudel poptart than doesn't produce until it gets hot then squirts out a bit of something that most wished they had not looked at.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I doubt anyone was more against the selection of Kareem Jackson than I and many of you remember the thread I started after he was selected. I continue to think his ceiling is CB2 at best & would do better as a nickle. Having said that, I was impressed with his play yesterday evaluated against his play before. I will not evaluate him against Joseph. IMO, I thought KJ outplayed Allen. Jackson seemed to get into the body of the WR more than ever before. SOme of the receptions against him were just great plays.
As he is liked by coaches I hope he continues to grow. I do not see a CB drafted in top 4 rounds if at all because of Harris and Carmichael.
As he is liked by coaches I hope he continues to grow. I do not see a CB drafted in top 4 rounds if at all because of Harris and Carmichael.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
IF yesterday is a sign of things to come from KJ, the #2 CB position might be in pretty good hands... IF...
This kid improved a lot his second year... Let's bring in some more competition and see where things go...
This kid improved a lot his second year... Let's bring in some more competition and see where things go...
drs23
Veteran
We can & should relax at the #2CB position for next year. We've still got McCain behind Kareem, McMannis, Brandon Harris, & Roc Carmichael.
Then depending on what they do with Jason Allen, it's going to be very competitive at that position this off-season.
Man let's stop with the cut Kareem Jackson posts the kid had excellent coverage on Anquan Bolden the guy just made some crazy catches and has been doing that for years. Now get rid of Jacoby Jones & Kevin Walter they dropped passes and punt returns and they caught 2 passes for 36 yards in two playoff games.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
The difference between JJ and Walter is Walter's mistakes are not expected, meaning they're not often... He will make a helluva a true #3 receiver next year....i hope...
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
God youre an idiot...
Should we cut AJ also since he dropped passes in the Bengals game? JJ no doubt, but KW is a great 3rd option...
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It would be really dumb to cut Kjax at this point. He's going into his third year and has shown quite a bit of improvement this year. Granted that may be due to the incredible amount of QB pressure the front 7 has gotten this year, but he has assuredly taken a step in the right direction. The guy has at least 2 more years left on his contract, and quite a bit of guaranteed money. Cutting him at this point would be a waste of cap space and a detriment to the team.
Contract per Rotoworld:
7/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $13.1 million contract. The deal contains $10.35 million guaranteed. Another $3.1 million is available through incentives. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $700,000, 2013: $995,000, 2014: $1.29 million (Option Year), 2015: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/texans
Signing Bonus $6,565,000 per sportrac (1,313,000 per year)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/kareem-jackson/
Contract per Rotoworld:
7/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $13.1 million contract. The deal contains $10.35 million guaranteed. Another $3.1 million is available through incentives. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $700,000, 2013: $995,000, 2014: $1.29 million (Option Year), 2015: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/texans
Signing Bonus $6,565,000 per sportrac (1,313,000 per year)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/kareem-jackson/
badboy
Hall of Fame
Hopefully, this shows that I make valuations on what I see not just "my ideas or players are better than Texans".