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Kareem > Dunta

TheCD said:
I wanted to find a good thread to post this in, and this was the best I could find.

I was curious how Dunta's been doing so I jumped over to one of the Falcons' MB's and saw this quote. Be prepared, because it's gonna hurt...

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topi...least-1-interception-this-season/page__st__20
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Let me give you the likely reason that he is doing much better:

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/roster-coaches/tim-lewis/

Read the credentials.. seriously can we get this guy as our DC?
 
I still say it wasn't worth all that money to move from 32nd to 27th. With a better free safety, that would be even more obvious.
 
TheCD said:
I wanted to find a good thread to post this in, and this was the best I could find.

I was curious how Dunta's been doing so I jumped over to one of the Falcons' MB's and saw this quote. Be prepared, because it's gonna hurt...




http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topi...least-1-interception-this-season/page__st__20
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What hurts, is that he went to Atlanta for less money.

Kinda like every other FA out there. You want a reason why we don't go after the big name FAs..... there you go!
 
The Texans weren't as aggressive as I wished but we did go after a FA and he used us to go back to the Pats
 
Even if Dunta has helped shutdown his side of the field for the Falcons on defense, he isn't worth the money because IMO, the message we would be sending to our players is that if you complain enough we will dish out millions of dollars more than what you're worth.

Keeping Dunta could have helped us but he was quickly turning into a cancer and his "Pay Me Rick" is hardly the traits of a leader. We may suck on defense but in the long run if things improve we may be better off.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Even if Dunta has helped shutdown his side of the field for the Falcons on defense, he isn't worth the money because IMO, the message we would be sending to our players is that if you complain enough we will dish out millions of dollars more than what you're worth.

Keeping Dunta could have helped us but he was quickly turning into a cancer and his "Pay Me Rick" is hardly the traits of a leader. We may suck on defense but in the long run if things improve we may be better off.
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What if the Falcons win the Super Bowl?
 
Texan4Ever said:
Even if Dunta has helped shutdown his side of the field for the Falcons on defense, he isn't worth the money because IMO, the message we would be sending to our players is that if you complain enough we will dish out millions of dollars more than what you're worth.
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I disagree.

I think grown men are going to be who they are regardless of what other grown men do.

These aren't children...

At this point their personalities are formed.

I don't think players are going to come in and act like Andre any more than they'd have come in and act like Dunta.

But besides all of that, winning and fielding the best team SHOULD be the priority at this point...They got too ahead of themselves and didn't plan well...

That's really all there is to it.
 
Rey said:
I disagree.

I think grown men are going to be who they are regardless of what other grown men do.

These aren't children...

At this point their personalities are formed.

I don't think players are going to come in and act like Andre any more than they'd have come in and act like Dunta.

But besides all of that, winning and fielding the best team SHOULD be the priority at this point...They got too ahead of themselves and didn't plan well...

That's really all there is to it.
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Yup. And remember Dunta was not the only one having contract issues... Owen and DeMeco stepped up despite Dunta's antics.

Rick Smith should have paid the man because Dunta is laughing all the way to a homefield advantage bid throughout the playoffs. Man... as a season ticket holder... I drool at the notion of homefield advantage!

Dammit.
 
NitroHonda said:
Yup. And remember Dunta was not the only one having contract issues... Owen and DeMeco stepped up despite Dunta's antics.

Rick Smith should have paid the man because Dunta is laughing all the way to a homefield advantage bid throughout the playoffs. Man... as a season ticket holder... I drool at the notion of homefield advantage!

Dammit.
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lol true...I don't, however, drool at a 1st round flameout(1st round for them = divisional playoffs)...which ATL will get...it's sad cuz I really like that squad.
 
I don't really understand the bump of this thread...


Dunta still isn't worth the money he was asking for, and he wouldn't of made that much of a difference here......the guy was a #2 corner at best, honestly I don't know why Texan fans keep on bumping threads like this one.

Dunta sucks and regardless of what happens this season, he isn't part of the solution.
So as TEXAN FANS, we need to get over him and move on. Dunta Robinson at best was just average.....can we please stop acting like he was a savior here.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
I don't really understand the bump of this thread...


Dunta still isn't worth the money he was asking, and he wouldn't of made that much of a difference here......the guy was a #2 corner at best, honestly I don't know why Texan fans keep on bumping threads that are about him, like this one.

Dunta sucks and regardless of what happens this season, he isn't part of the solution.
So as TEXAN FANS, he needs to get over it and move on.
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Man if we even had a #2 corner. I would be joyous if we had the #27-28-29 ranked defense because the difference in four straight games was... a Dunta swat away. Dunta was a leader. I love the man for trying but DeMeco is N-O-T.

I have moved on just fine, Care Bombed. I do enjoy talking about what could have been. I like the "what if" game. My eyebrows were not scrunched up in anger when I mentioned Dunta's name just now. Kudos to the guy, you know? He hustled his ass off for us for years and now he's getting his.

If we want to play the anger game then consider Dunta's current success as proof that Rick Smith is a broken GM. Smith IS very much a part of these defensive troubles today so I WILL focus on what did happen.

Dunta's going to the playoffs as a starting CB. No and ifs or buts about it.
 
NitroHonda said:
Man if we even had a #2 corner. I would be joyous if we had the #27-28-29 ranked defense because the difference in four straight games was... a Dunta swat away. Dunta was a leader. I love the man for trying but DeMeco is N-O-T.

I have moved on just fine, Care Bombed. I do enjoy talking about what could have been. I like the "what if" game. My eyebrows were not scrunched up in anger when I mentioned Dunta's name just now. Kudos to the guy, you know? He hustled his ass off for us for years and now he's getting his.

If we want to play the anger game then consider Dunta's current success as proof that Rick Smith is a broken GM. Smith IS very much a part of these defensive troubles today so I WILL focus on what did happen.

Dunta's going to the playoffs as a starting CB. No and ifs or buts about it.
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Dunta never hustled his ass off for us and he was never a "leader for us".

Honestly I don't know why people still cry for him. The guy was average at best and regardless of what happens this year..Houston made the right decision. Dunta Robinson is not and was never the answer (not at the price he was asking for).....glad he's gone....infact couldn't be anymore happier that he's gone. Houston not going to the playoffs this year has absolutely nothing to do with Dunta Robinson.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Dunta never hustled his ass off for us and he was never a "leader for us".

Honestly I don't know why people still cry for him. The guy was average at best and regardless of what happens this year..Houston made the right decision. Dunta Robinson is not and was never the answer (not at the price he was asking for).....glad he's gone....infact couldn't be anymore happier that he's gone. Houston not going to the playoffs this year has absolutely nothing to do with Dunta Robinson.
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I respectfully disagree with part of your statement. Dunta played his ass off before the injury, but after the Oakland game he was a Class Douche Bag. This team was willing to give him more than he was worth and he acted like a jack ass, I hope Atlanta is happy with top 5 CB money for a top 50 level CB. I wish DR the best. He was two different guys in my book, but I sure dislike the second one.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Dunta never hustled his ass off for us and he was never a "leader for us".

Honestly I don't know why people still cry for him. The guy was average at best and regardless of what happens this year..Houston made the right decision. Dunta Robinson is not and was never the answer (not at the price he was asking for).....glad he's gone....infact couldn't be anymore happier that he's gone. Houston not going to the playoffs this year has absolutely nothing to do with Dunta Robinson.
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And I respect and thank you for your opinion. Why you gotta bash mine into something that's not true? It's like me trying to stuff a "Brice McCain's better than Dumbta" in your mouth I'm not crying for him. He's a Falcon and he's enjoying some tremendous success over there. I clearly understand that. Do you?

At least appreciate the irony of it all...
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Dunta never hustled his ass off for us and he was never a "leader for us".

Honestly I don't know why people still cry for him. The guy was average at best and regardless of what happens this year..Houston made the right decision. Dunta Robinson is not and was never the answer (not at the price he was asking for).....glad he's gone....infact couldn't be anymore happier that he's gone. Houston not going to the playoffs this year has absolutely nothing to do with Dunta Robinson.
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I agree that he was not the answer but he did play his heart out and was a leader before his injury.

It's just sad because we made him look good in this situation, he got his money and left and we became the worst passing defense.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I don't really understand the bump of this thread... Dunta still isn't worth the money he was asking for, and he wouldn't of made that much of a difference here......the guy was a #2 corner at best, honestly I don't know why Texan fans keep on bumping threads like this one. Dunta sucks and regardless of what happens this season, he isn't part of the solution.
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Well that settles that. I am glad you can see into alternate realities and divulge that information for us. Ill sleep better tonight knowing that keeping a veteran CB like Dunta wouldn't have helped us this season.

Carr Bombed said:
So as TEXAN FANS, we need to get over him and move on. Dunta Robinson at best was just average.....can we please stop acting like he was a savior here.
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C'mon CB, since when are we not allowed to discuss former Texans on this board? And nobody is saying he was a savior here. The entire thread is about Dunta and Kareem in comparison. Nobody is saying Dunta was our savior.

Carr Bombed said:
Dunta never hustled his ass off for us and he was never a "leader for us".

Honestly I don't know why people still cry for him. The guy was average at best and regardless of what happens this year..Houston made the right decision. Dunta Robinson is not and was never the answer (not at the price he was asking for).....glad he's gone....infact couldn't be anymore happier that he's gone. Houston not going to the playoffs this year has absolutely nothing to do with Dunta Robinson.
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Thank you for describing my opinions as "crying for him." Really appreciated. Also, I cant believe that you feel our 32nd ranked defense keeping us out of the playoffs this year has nothing to do with Dunta or veteran presence in the secondary. But keep on fighting the good fight.

Big Lou said:
I respectfully disagree with part of your statement. Dunta played his ass off before the injury, but after the Oakland game he was a Class Douche Bag. This team was willing to give him more than he was worth and he acted like a jack ass, I hope Atlanta is happy with top 5 CB money for a top 50 level CB. I wish DR the best. He was two different guys in my book, but I sure dislike the second one.
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Have you actually verified that Dunta is making top 5 CB money, or is that just your assumption? I will agree that he should have acted differently during the contract year. But he isn't the first and wont be the last to do that crap.
 
Meh!! Atlanta's defense is no great shakes. They're ranked 15th overall and 20th against the pass. Better than us? Sure, but not nearly enough to justify overpaying an over-rated Dunta "Pay me Rick" Robinson.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Meh!! Atlanta's defense is no great shakes. They're ranked 15th overall and 20th against the pass. Better than us? Sure, but not nearly enough to justify overpaying an over-rated Dunta "Pay me Rick" Robinson.
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True, but other than going about a contract the wrong way, what else did he do wrong? Sure, he was beaten every once in a while, but what CB hasn't been? Other than the "Pay Me Rick" shenanagans, I had no problem with Dunta.

In the end, he's gone so it is what it is. We move on, which I have.
 
HOU-TEX said:
True, but other than going about a contract the wrong way, what else did he do wrong? Sure, he was beaten every once in a while, but what CB hasn't been? Other than the "Pay Me Rick" shenanagans, I had no problem with Dunta.

In the end, he's gone so it is what it is. We move on, which I have.
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Well he celebrated a tackle (which he gets paid for) while Manning lines up the Colts offense and throws a 40 yard strike. He got burned deep against Tennessee in the Bironas 8 field goal performance. He repeatedly missed tackles. He had 6 picks in his rookie season, he's had 7 since (in 6 more seasons).

But I agree and I moved on from Dunta before he was officially gone. The "Pay me Rick" was the final straw for me with that guy.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Well he celebrated a tackle (which he gets paid for) while Manning lines up the Colts offense and throws a 40 yard strike. He got burned deep against Tennessee in the Bironas 8 field goal performance. He repeatedly missed tackles. He had 6 picks in his rookie season, he's had 7 since (in 6 more seasons).

But I agree and I moved on from Dunta before he was officially gone. The "Pay me Rick" was the final straw for me with that guy.
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Yezzir, we need to fix this 'thing' we've been trotting out onto the field on gamedays.
 
I was never upset at Dunta for any of the pay me Rick stuff...Could have cared less what he wrote on his shoes...

I still don't know why people got so upset with that...

But anyways, like others have said...Dude is gone, he ain't coming back....But it is fun to re-visit...
 
Dunta was a damn good player and would easily be the best corner on our team....and as for 'but he isn't worth the money wahh wahh wahh', i say this

would it be worth franchising Dunta another year if it meant us making the playoffs. I think so but obviously the ownership and management don't think the playoffs are that big of a deal and priority. Is the playoffs and division title (HOME PLAYOFF GAME!!) worth an extra $10million in payroll? of course it is...so anyone who says it isn't worth it can go screw themselves.

and as for Dunta...he has helped turn the Falcons into a SB contender...first round bye...home field advantage throughout...

but yeah, Dunta wasn't worth it *rolls eyes at the loser mentality that exists*
 
Rey said:
Only thing is, they could have franchised Dunta...
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& we'd have got the same crap play from here that he played in 2009.

He did not give us 100% in 2009 & anyone who says different is selling something.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Dunta was a damn good player and would easily be the best corner on our team....and as for 'but he isn't worth the money wahh wahh wahh', i say this

would it be worth franchising Dunta another year if it meant us making the playoffs. I think so but obviously the ownership and management don't think the playoffs are that big of a deal and priority. Is the playoffs and division title (HOME PLAYOFF GAME!!) worth an extra $10million in payroll? of course it is...so anyone who says it isn't worth it can go screw themselves.

and as for Dunta...he has helped turn the Falcons into a SB contender...first round bye...home field advantage throughout...

but yeah, Dunta wasn't worth it *rolls eyes at the loser mentality that exists*
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While I respect what you're saying, Dunta is only one player. I don't think he would make much of an impact as opposing teams would just stop throwing the ball in his direction and instead try to take advantage of Kareem Jackson or any other CB and exploit there weaknesses.

If Dunta was our answer to get into the playoffs and he was the missing piece of the puzzle, you can bet management would have paid him.

Anyways, my hope is that in the off-season Kareem will sit and watch through all his game tapes and come out next season as a much improved player. Having played on a championship team he knows what winnings about and I fully expect him to bounce back from a lackluster rookie season...hopefully.
 
thunderkyss said:
& we'd have got the same crap play from here that he played in 2009.

He did not give us 100% in 2009 & anyone who says different is selling something.
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Well I disagree....I think he played hard for his whole tenure here, but I don't think he played very well his last year and a half...

He WAS coming off of a major injury...Remember?

Anyways...in the season Dunta got hurt in he was having a fine year...

I think the organization and Dunta could have handled the situation better...I don't think Rick Smith is a perfect GM anymore than I think Dunta is a perfect player...

I honestly think they didn't franchise him again because they didn't want to look foolish...Paying him in two years what they offered him over four or five...

He said he didn't mind being franchised again and that he wouldn't complain about it...They should have done it...

It'd have given us more flexibility during draft time and it would have allowed us to bring a young corner into the fold slowly...And it also would have given us some veteran leadership in the secondary as well as allowed us one more year to evaluate him post injury...

But I think that the organization was foolish and make the wrong decision. JMO.
 
Texan4Ever said:
While I respect what you're saying, Dunta is only one player. I don't think he would make much of an impact as opposing teams would just stop throwing the ball in his direction and instead try to take advantage of Kareem Jackson or any other CB and exploit there weaknesses.

If Dunta was our answer to get into the playoffs and he was the missing piece of the puzzle, you can bet management would have paid him.

Anyways, my hope is that in the off-season Kareem will sit and watch through all his game tapes and come out next season as a much improved player. Having played on a championship team he knows what winnings about and I fully expect him to bounce back from a lackluster rookie season...hopefully.
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What if he has a sophomoric slump?
 
Texan4Ever said:
While I respect what you're saying, Dunta is only one player. I don't think he would make much of an impact as opposing teams would just stop throwing the ball in his direction and instead try to take advantage of Kareem Jackson or any other CB and exploit there weaknesses.
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I disagree. K-jax wouldn't have been a starter even if we still drafted him...It wouldn've been Dunta and Glover...

Also, Dunta had been the best player in a bad secondary for a long while...

We were never this bad in pass defense.

We have started Dunta and Faggins...Never have we been burned this much through the air....

We have started Dunta and Reeves...Never have we been torched by just about any QB not named Rusty Smith...

Heck even last year when we started Dunta and Quinn we weren't this bad in pass defense.
 
NitroHonda said:
Yup. And remember Dunta was not the only one having contract issues... Owen and DeMeco stepped up despite Dunta's antics.
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That series of negotiations was instructive about Rick Smith, GM.

Each time, a player who had been very good for the Texans wanted to renegotiate his contract. A leak is made to the press about an exorbitant, though unconfirmed, offer made by the Texans that was summarily turned down. Player gets villified by fan base for being greedy and negotiating in the press.* An impasse would be reached and Smith would use his "big stick" of free agency rules to keep the player. The fans celebrate because Smith is tough.

One of Smith's responsibilities is to negotiate contracts to lock up players the team needs to keep long term. The contract needs to be one that both the team and the player will sign. He has failed at that much more than a good GM should. Also, if the contract offers are to be believed, he: A) routinely tries to overpay players and B) can't even get a contract signed that his heavily in the player's favor.

Rick Smith is part of the problem.

*Kudos to the Texans PR department, boo to Houston media hacks, and a "C'mon, think about it" to Houston fans. The player didn't release those details; it came from the Texans because it made them look good and the player look bad.
 
Runner said:
That series of negotiations was instructive about Rick Smith, GM.

Each time, a player who had been very good for the Texans wanted to renegotiate his contract. A leak is made to the press about an exorbitant, though unconfirmed, offer made by the Texans that was summarily turned down. Player gets villified by fan base for being greedy and negotiating in the press.* An impasse would be reached and Smith would use his "big stick" of free agency rules to keep the player. The fans celebrate because Smith is tough.

One of Smith's responsibilities is to negotiate contracts to lock up players the team needs to keep long term. The contract needs to be one that both the team and the player will sign. He has failed at that much more than a good GM should. Also, if the contract offers are to be believed, he: A) routinely tries to overpay players and B) can't even get a contract signed that his heavily in the player's favor.

Rick Smith is part of the problem.

*Kudos to the Texans PR department, boo to Houston media hacks, and a "C'mon, think about it" to Houston fans. The player didn't release those details; it came from the Texans because it made them look good and the player look bad.
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I think we need to take some of your post, dedicate a thread to them and put a sticky on it....

Excellent post...
 
Carr Bombed said:
Dunta never hustled his ass off for us and he was never a "leader for us".

Honestly I don't know why people still cry for him. The guy was average at best and regardless of what happens this year..Houston made the right decision. Dunta Robinson is not and was never the answer (not at the price he was asking for).....glad he's gone....infact couldn't be anymore happier that he's gone. Houston not going to the playoffs this year has absolutely nothing to do with Dunta Robinson.
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That's not true. I'm not a Dunta fan but I would never say he never hustled for us. He started out busting his ass to play well but I think the losing got to him and the team's culture got to him. In the long run I dont' blame Rick Smith for not keeping him because the Dunta who is hustling for Atlanta was never going to make another appearance here in Houston. I'm positive he had made his mind up about leaving even before the Texans franchised him. He didn't want to be here and every game he played or interview he gave I thought conveyed that message. He said what he was supposed to say and did what he was supposed to do but he did not ever look happy after the 2-14 season in 2005. Not totally, "committed" happy.
 
Rey said:
Well I disagree....I think he played hard for his whole tenure here, but I don't think he played very well his last year and a half...

He WAS coming off of a major injury...Remember?

Anyways...in the season Dunta got hurt in he was having a fine year...

I think the organization and Dunta could have handled the situation better...I don't think Rick Smith is a perfect GM anymore than I think Dunta is a perfect player...

I honestly think they didn't franchise him again because they didn't want to look foolish...Paying him in two years what they offered him over four or five...

He said he didn't mind being franchised again and that he wouldn't complain about it...They should have done it...

It'd have given us more flexibility during draft time and it would have allowed us to bring a young corner into the fold slowly...And it also would have given us some veteran leadership in the secondary as well as allowed us one more year to evaluate him post injury...

But I think that the organization was foolish and make the wrong decision. JMO.
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Yes I remember the injury. I believe that is why he didn't give the 110% that made him a fan favorite. With no long-term deal, he's not going to risk getting hurt.

Now that he has his deal, he can play with the reckless abandon (hence that hit he put on DeSean Jackson).

Had we franchised him again, he'd just mail it in, waiting for the end of the season.
 
Aaron Glenn = Best CB on Texans

Why didn't the Texans bring in someone like Aaron Glenn to provide veteran leadership in the secondary (and tutor Kareem) ?
 
devo-x said:
Aaron Glenn = Best CB on Texans

Why didn't the Texans bring in someone like Aaron Glenn to provide veteran leadership in the secondary (and tutor Kareem) ?
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Agreed!!! I think he would've made a great assistant coach for our defensive backs!!! Maybe not the SH, Dunta Robinson jock strap love suckers who I'm glad moved onto the the Falcons that have the 20th worst pass defense in the League, but for the young guys..... Sure!!!!


Go Dunta!!! :gun:

What a joke!! *Rollling my eyes at Second Honeymoon*
 
Texan_Bill said:
Agreed!!! I think he would've made a great assistant coach for our defensive backs!!! Maybe not the SH, Dunta Robinson jock strap love suckers who I'm glad moved onto the the Falcons that have the 20th worst pass defense in the League, but for the young guys..... Sure!!!!


Go Dunta!!! :gun:

What a joke!! *Rollling my eyes at Second Honeymoon*
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don't hate on me because the Falcons addressed a need and the Texans just made an existing need worse by dropping one of the few guys they had that could cover.

and oh yeah, i have always been a Dunta homer....whatever. do I think we should have franchised him again...hell yeah. thought so then and I think its been painfully obvious that losing Dunta was just stupid and cheap...but whatever Bob McNair jock strap love sucker...whatever the hell that means, TB.

but whatever, they sure showed Dunta who was boss....as Dunta got paid, went to a better team, and no longer has to deal with the malaise and loser mentality that persists throughout this franchise.

btw TB, are we gonna throw a parade for 5-11 this year like we did for 9-7. Why not just re-sign Kubiak for the next decade...after all, he is such a good head coach, huh?

and people laughed at me when I said 6-10 was a distinct possibility due to our inactivity in FA, ineffectiveness in the draft, and most importantly. STILL CRAP AT HC.

At least he knows what Gig Em means, and that is probably enough for you.
 
I would say "I hate to say I told you so" on this one, but I really don't.

The Dunta thing was a huge FUBAR. Seems like Rick Smith is taking all the heat for it (and deserves it,) but I don't know what extent Kubiak, Bush, or Gibbs were involved.

It's pretty obvious they were involved in some capacity. Seems like one of those guys could have thrown the brakes on the "Get Dunta out of Houston" Express if they had any common sense.

That's the problem about having coaches that are so damn smart. "Who the hell needs a proven corner? We're so good at what we do, we can plug a rookie and a 2nd year guy in back there and they'll keep us on the right track!!!"

The guys we had last year weren't All-Century team material, but they're damn sure better than the keystone cops we sent out there this year.
 
record said:
Our rookie CB is worlds better than Dunta was last season. That in itself is going to greatly improve the Texans D. Yes, he will have some growing pains in his rookie season and will give up a few big plays, but Dunta was just horrendous in 2009. Anyone that believes our young DBs and D in general will be worse off without "Mr. Pay Me Rick" didn't watch the games last year. It couldn't get much worse and it appears to be about to get a whole lot better. I notice Kareem running stride for stride with his man along with good awareness of the ball. He looks to be another rock solid pick by the Texans.

Consistently building through years of good draft picks is the only way to produce long term stability of winning results in the NFL. I realize that the Texans have only been a mediocre NFL franchise, at best, since their inception, but I really feel like this team is close to turning the corner into being an upper echelon NFL team that is consistently in the playoffs and competing for the Super Bowl year in and out. I am very hopeful that this is the season in which all of our growing pains pay off. We are still a relatively young team that is getting close to our prime. It will be greatly due in part to 4 years of good drafts including this most recent one and Kareem Jackson as an example.
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I haven't read the entire post, but I had to smile at this... I've NEVER heard that one before.

I can't wait to shake the hand of someone who gets that statement right for once!
 
They were too close to go backwards on defense especially. They were 13th even after the horrendous start last year and then they come back this yer and get rid of their 2 best corners. They made 0 additions up front and 0 in the backend which equaled the worse secondary in the nfl. To give a better illsutration, look no further than the jets. 9-7 team, made the playoffs, cut faneca and jones. They replaced sheldon brown with cromartie,jones with lt, didn't really replace faneca, added santonio holmes for explosion, and jason taylor for added depth at lb. What did the texans do? Resigned a 3rd wr in walters and the draft. Basically, the jets got cromartie for tate and holmes for one of those 5th rd te's. Tell me who was supposed to be better this year.
 
Runner said:
That series of negotiations was instructive about Rick Smith, GM.

Each time, a player who had been very good for the Texans wanted to renegotiate his contract. A leak is made to the press about an exorbitant, though unconfirmed, offer made by the Texans that was summarily turned down. Player gets villified by fan base for being greedy and negotiating in the press.* An impasse would be reached and Smith would use his "big stick" of free agency rules to keep the player. The fans celebrate because Smith is tough.

One of Smith's responsibilities is to negotiate contracts to lock up players the team needs to keep long term. The contract needs to be one that both the team and the player will sign. He has failed at that much more than a good GM should. Also, if the contract offers are to be believed, he: A) routinely tries to overpay players and B) can't even get a contract signed that his heavily in the player's favor.

Rick Smith is part of the problem.

*Kudos to the Texans PR department, boo to Houston media hacks, and a "C'mon, think about it" to Houston fans. The player didn't release those details; it came from the Texans because it made them look good and the player look bad.
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Interesting..... & good points.

However, the only people who didn't sign their deal, & got hit with the "big stick" were Dunta (who I'm just as happy to be rid of.... & I was vilifying him way before any contract talks), & Owen (who wishes he had signed the deal when it was offered).

Dunta's problem, was that he thought he was better than he really was. Taking less money to go to Atlanta is "proof" that other NFL teams thought the same thing.

Owen's issue, I think was that ridiculous deal Kellen Winslow got to go to Tampa Bay. Just because TB is reckless doesn't mean we should be (even though it looks like reckless works at the moment).

OD is still here. Looks very close to being the player he was. IF the Texans (whoever that may be in the future) offers Owen that same deal, or similar & he takes it..... we win.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's not true. I'm not a Dunta fan but I would never say he never hustled for us. He started out busting his ass to play well but I think the losing got to him and the team's culture got to him. In the long run I dont' blame Rick Smith for not keeping him because the Dunta who is hustling for Atlanta was never going to make another appearance here in Houston.
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If that is the case, then Dunta was part of the cancer that has been killing this team. Robaire Smith, Morlon Greenwood, & several of the guys on offense. They weren't trying to win, they were (IMO) doing enough to say it wasn't their fault.

I can see Dunta eventually falling into that kind of thinking.... TJ as well.

But I thought the main reason we didn't see the old Dunta in 2009, was that he didn't want to risk injury again, without a long term deal in place.

So had we franchised him again, we'd wouldn't have got the Dunta people think is playing better in Atlanta (I don't know, because I'm not watching him, how many INTs does he have this year?).
 
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Why are people still taking about Dunta Robinson...


The guy didn't want to be here and he was turning into a locker room terd......and he's not that good.


Would Dunta make us better....YES, but there are other corners we can pick up that will make us better with half the headache and a helluva lot cheaper. Sobbing over Dunta Robinson is just peeing in the wind. He wouldn't of turned this team into a winner, he would've just made them a less shitty team, it would've been just a step up to mediocrity...which is exactly what Houston was when he was here.
 
thunderkyss said:
So had we franchised him again, we'd wouldn't have got the Dunta people think is playing better in Atlanta (I don't know, because I'm not watching him, how many INTs does he have this year?).
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He has 44 tackles, 5 passes defensed and 0 INT's.

Stats are tricky with CB's but for comparison Jackson has 65 tackles, 10 passes defensed and 2 INT's. Quin has 72 tackles, 14 passes defended and 3 INT's.
 
NitroHonda said:
I'm so happy we didn't trade for Nnamdi Asomugha either! 17 tackles, 5 passes defended, and zero interceptions.

That BUM!!!
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You're right, stats don't tell the whole story. And I have not watched any of Atlanta's games this year so I really can't say how he has played. But, I did watch him the previous year every snap multiple times. We know what we had with Dunta... and it pretty much sucked.
 
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