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Justice puts the nail in Casserly's coffin...
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
MorKnolle said:cuppacoffee said:
..Kinda thought that this covered the Titans rebuilding
>> (well, almost)
They have rebuilt enough to kick our sorry arses though....
Concerning McNair, it wouldn't suprise me if the Titans find a way to draft Leinart or Young this year. If Young decides to enter the draft.
cac:
OzzO
.. and then?
For his first few years in a new business, I'm not surprised he relied on others to make the decisions as he may have thought that he didn't know "how it works in the NFL" - betcha he's getting more input now from his peers though, especially after a few off season owner meetings and finding out how it does work.
.. and maybe it's JJ as GM and Kubiak as HC?
.. and maybe it's JJ as GM and Kubiak as HC?
BigDTexansFan
Rookie
Texans Pride said:
I think Casserly stays in what position I am not sure, could be as football consultant with someone else in GM's spot. BUT I predict won't be anymore magic beans for cow trades, I predict you better know what this guy just had for lunch before you tell Mr. McNair to trade for him. I think we could see an immediate turnaround with right coach and a few good players.
Does it occur to any of you "Fire Casserly" that the GM roll is about getting the personnel that the coaching staff requests. Casserly's ultimate failure is his ability to get the players that the coaches wanted.
FIRE THE COACHES hire JEFF FISCHER and the rest will sort itself out.
FIRE THE COACHES hire JEFF FISCHER and the rest will sort itself out.
eriadoc
Texan-American
JmikeT said:
The GM's role is slightly more involved than you make it sound. It is the GM's job to acquire talent. I actually do not think Casserly has done a poor job of that, given that the coaches have horribly misutilized the talent they've been given (here I'm agreeing with you). However, you don't go out and pay a king's ransom for that talent. You pay appropriate prices for pieces that fit the puzzle. Sometimes that means you pass up Orlando Pace, because, while he may be the best LT available in a given free agent class, he just costs too darn much. It also means that you don't give up a slew of picks for a DE from a small college that you think you can convert to an OLB that might turn out to be the next Kevin Greene. IF Babin lives up to that billing, then he might be worth that price. If he simply turns out to be a pretty good OLB, which I suspect will be the case, then he was not a bad talent acquisition, but entirely too much was paid for him. Couple that with a humongous price for a guy that they watched FOUR game films on, and Buchanon would have to turn into the next Dunta Robinson to warrant that price.
That is why most people are chanting "Fire Casserly".
Porky
Hall of Fame
Pburnt's weaknesses were well documented in Oakland. It's not as if watching 10 games instead of 4 would have magically unearthered his lack of physicalality. Heck, any guy with a recliner and a beer could have told you Pburnt was toasted more often than a blushing bride at the champagne fountain. Oh he is so much better than Aaron Glenn. I am realy angry that this failure of a GM is going to get more chances at wrecking this team. Mr. Mcnair, bite the bullet now. Get rid of this incompectence. You say nobody better is available...how do you know this unless your last name is Kreskin. Give a young guy a shot...give someone like JJ a shot at both spots, do something in between. I don't care...but do something! I do not want Cass in the war room on draft day. That would be an unmitigated disaster. If he is there, I may make plans to do something better with my time on Sundays come next fall.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Porky said:
Yes........Do something! Anything! . How could it possibly be worse.
with all that's been said about buchanan i can't imagine he'll be back next year...and with the limited amount of solid FA corners on the market i'm sure we'll be using a first day pick on a corner...obviously a local favorite would be griffin from UT who unlike buchanan is not afraid of a little contact...and if the texans were to trade down(highly unlikely) there is always the possibility of selecting jimmy williams of va. tech
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
keyfro said:
While the Buchanan trade was certainly a bad one, it wasn't the worse deal. We did get a very talented player without having to pay anything for him for a cap number- and basically we got him for two years, unless someone signs him as a restricted free agent (unlikely)... so, from that perspective it was a risk that made some sense.
I've definitely lost confidence in Casserly. However, it is comforting to know that the owner isn't one eager to create massive change everytime things go wrong (Dan Snyder)... It is that kind of patience that often gets rewarded. His thoughtfulness makes the head coaching job and eventually the GM job more appealing to potential applicants. After all, who would you rather work for?
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
I probably have a different take on this article based on what I have been saying for a long time. To begin with the article does imply that McNair and Casserly are starting to form a new blueprint. Now why would he keep Casserly as so many of you have said would be the wrong thing to do?
My belief, including the Buchannon deal, is that the exsisting coaching staff totally mislead everyone including Casserly. Casserly believed his coaches had done the due dilligence. That is implied in the article. The coaching staff evaluates and makes suggestion as to whom they want. They pass that on to Casserly and he negoiates and tries to get what they want if it is seems justified and possible. Casserly and McNair both trusted Capers. However, Capers wanted a certain kind of team and McNair and Casserly handed him a number of players that didn't fullfill his dreams. The two most notiable people were Carr and Davis. That hamstringed Capers and he retreated into a corner and tried to go against the grain and dig himselft out of a perceived hole by following the advice of his trusted friends. Pendry was the biggest of them all. I don't think Casserly and McNair were totally sold on what Capers wanted to do and he took a course to prove them wrong and was in reality defying what they wanted him to do. Capers and Pendry sold McNair and Casserly a bill of goods on the O-line after McNair stated what he did that fateful December about protecting Carr. It makes no sense whatsoever to see what we have seen with the O-line and little if any change except for the blocking scheme. The year 2 injuries also played a big part in what has happened because Capers found his vetern defense falling apart due to injuries and this played into the Buchannon deal, I believe, because they got very nervous over the two years of injuries sustained by Glenn. I believe other key veterns had made comments and Capers saw to it that they were no longer a problem when perhaps they began blowing the whistle long ago. I have stated time and time again that Capers and his coaching staff have been the insurmountible problem causing the devestation of the Texans.
It is Capers and his staff and the power plays within that staff that have lead to what you have seen with the Texans. This is my belief based on outside observations and comments over time. I'm convinced more than ever now that McNair has gone public. The only thing that makes any sense at all, once again, is that the coaching staff totally mislead management meaning McNair and Casserly.
My belief, including the Buchannon deal, is that the exsisting coaching staff totally mislead everyone including Casserly. Casserly believed his coaches had done the due dilligence. That is implied in the article. The coaching staff evaluates and makes suggestion as to whom they want. They pass that on to Casserly and he negoiates and tries to get what they want if it is seems justified and possible. Casserly and McNair both trusted Capers. However, Capers wanted a certain kind of team and McNair and Casserly handed him a number of players that didn't fullfill his dreams. The two most notiable people were Carr and Davis. That hamstringed Capers and he retreated into a corner and tried to go against the grain and dig himselft out of a perceived hole by following the advice of his trusted friends. Pendry was the biggest of them all. I don't think Casserly and McNair were totally sold on what Capers wanted to do and he took a course to prove them wrong and was in reality defying what they wanted him to do. Capers and Pendry sold McNair and Casserly a bill of goods on the O-line after McNair stated what he did that fateful December about protecting Carr. It makes no sense whatsoever to see what we have seen with the O-line and little if any change except for the blocking scheme. The year 2 injuries also played a big part in what has happened because Capers found his vetern defense falling apart due to injuries and this played into the Buchannon deal, I believe, because they got very nervous over the two years of injuries sustained by Glenn. I believe other key veterns had made comments and Capers saw to it that they were no longer a problem when perhaps they began blowing the whistle long ago. I have stated time and time again that Capers and his coaching staff have been the insurmountible problem causing the devestation of the Texans.
It is Capers and his staff and the power plays within that staff that have lead to what you have seen with the Texans. This is my belief based on outside observations and comments over time. I'm convinced more than ever now that McNair has gone public. The only thing that makes any sense at all, once again, is that the coaching staff totally mislead management meaning McNair and Casserly.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
I truely hope we get rid of Casserly he's a joke of a gm i laugh when ever i listen to him on 610 trying to push all the blame away from him. or trying to make a bad trade sound alright with the well its extra picks we had line.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
On 610 this morning, John Granato was talking about the Justice article. He talked to Casserly about it.
Casserly told Granato that NO it was not true that they only looked at 4 game tapes and had no idea how that got into the Justice article. That they were aware of Pbuc's strengths and weaknesses, saw how he had played in Miami and how he performed in Oakland, and it was the opinion of the staff that 1. they needed a coverage guy and 2. that the defects could be helped with coaching.
And that they made a mistake in making that assessment.
So, all that being said, this means either:
1. Justice got his facts wrong. Casserly said that Justice did not interview him for the article.
Or
2. McNair got his facts wrong. If so, that is a bad communication issue.
OR
3. Casserly is fibbing.
One way or another, that is one bizarro article by Justice. McNair dumping his trash in the paper about a current player doesn't help stuff , limits your options and probably isn't good for team morale.
AJ might be right in stating that McNair is trying to provoke Casserly into resigning--with the Justice article and the Reeve's hiring. But who knows, maybe what he is saying is really what he means about this stuff. That he really wants to get a fresh set of eyes to improve the Texans way of doing things.
Casserly told Granato that NO it was not true that they only looked at 4 game tapes and had no idea how that got into the Justice article. That they were aware of Pbuc's strengths and weaknesses, saw how he had played in Miami and how he performed in Oakland, and it was the opinion of the staff that 1. they needed a coverage guy and 2. that the defects could be helped with coaching.
And that they made a mistake in making that assessment.
So, all that being said, this means either:
1. Justice got his facts wrong. Casserly said that Justice did not interview him for the article.
Or
2. McNair got his facts wrong. If so, that is a bad communication issue.
OR
3. Casserly is fibbing.
One way or another, that is one bizarro article by Justice. McNair dumping his trash in the paper about a current player doesn't help stuff , limits your options and probably isn't good for team morale.
AJ might be right in stating that McNair is trying to provoke Casserly into resigning--with the Justice article and the Reeve's hiring. But who knows, maybe what he is saying is really what he means about this stuff. That he really wants to get a fresh set of eyes to improve the Texans way of doing things.
If you're a senior executive and you find out that a consultant has been hired to review your organization - and you find out on the same day as a press conference announcing the fact, and the consultant knows before you do - you're toast. This isn't the same as a BOD review of a CEO or internal audit, or external audit for that matter because external audit typically is done with the knowledge of the auditee, i.e., no surprises. This reeks of an external hire coming in to get a head start - and not as head coach.
I'm just a little surprised how it's being handled, as I'm sure Casserly is. I don't think McN is the kind of guy who would play games wrt the provocation comment which makes it all even more curious. Timing appears to be a key factor otherwise the 'review' would have started after the season was over instead of after Week 14.
I'm just a little surprised how it's being handled, as I'm sure Casserly is. I don't think McN is the kind of guy who would play games wrt the provocation comment which makes it all even more curious. Timing appears to be a key factor otherwise the 'review' would have started after the season was over instead of after Week 14.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
And for the record I don't believe for a second that Justice made a mistake in that article. I think he probably nailed it hard and knew that while some of the facts in that article would be denied they wouldn't be disputed any harder than they are right now. Even if Casserly gets fired nobody is going to be suing anyone over that story. I bet Justice wouldn't have written it if he couldn't prove it or bring someone to the table who could.
Another issue that's looming on the horizon is whether or not to re-up Carr,aj. said:
and lately McNair may not be feeling so confidant about his fair-haired boy.
And as I recall, Reeves knows what a successful NFL QB looks like. Maybe McNair is looking for some timely advice on that subject, since he's got to decide by year end. That subject is a very big part of this teams future from a personnel perspective. Bush isn't the only Trojan going into the NFL next year.
TexanExile
A New Hope
Maybe Casserly will hold an unexpected presser tomorrow and announce that he's resigning in the middle of the season because he misses his family. And that it is totally, completely, 100 percent his own decision and has nothing to do with what's going on around him on the team. Or about the senior league man within his organization who's charged with evaluating his every move.
Oh, wait. That was Stan Van Gundy. Never mind.
Story about Stan's totally personal decision that had nothing to do with Pat Riley AT ALL
Oh, wait. That was Stan Van Gundy. Never mind.
Story about Stan's totally personal decision that had nothing to do with Pat Riley AT ALL
Hervoyel said:
BAM! Nail on the head.
We've only put Mr. McNair on a pedestal because he brought football back to H-town, and he's been a fairly quite dude. There's not much to not like about him, as far as his public personae.
But you're right. Not only is he an NFL owner, but he's also a self made billionaire. And people don't become that successful by being niiiiiiiiiiiice and roasting marshmellows at board meetings. I bet he's fire more people that we can shake a stick at, and we're seeing how the corporate world deals with things.
It's cutthroat, and there's no bye-bye ceremony. I guess Capers (and maybe Casserly) are lucky in that Mr. McNair didn't do it mid-season (I'm betting it's too much like a Bud Adams move is the reason).
Good take, Herv, and definitely puts things into perspective.
Erratic Assassin
Rookie
aj. said:
That's exactly why we have Dan Reeves. Casserly is still wet behind the ears compared to Dan Reeves. When Dan Reeves, says "Hey dummy! Ever thought of drafting some decent linemen?" Casserly won't be able to use his standard comeback to deflect criticism of his *****ic draft picks.
To me, one of the most impressive things in McNair's resume is that he went
head-to-head with Lay, Schilling, et al. at Enron when that corporate
giant was at its apex and walked away with a billion plus for the sale of
his energy Cogeneration business to Enron. I think right now, McNair is in his element as he wells & deals to get this organization back on track and headed
in the right direction.
head-to-head with Lay, Schilling, et al. at Enron when that corporate
giant was at its apex and walked away with a billion plus for the sale of
his energy Cogeneration business to Enron. I think right now, McNair is in his element as he wells & deals to get this organization back on track and headed
in the right direction.