BattleRedRaider
Rookie
UGA said:
Since you love to talk about Bush so much, there's a Saints board I'm sure you'd find yourself happy in.
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Since you love to talk about Bush so much, there's a Saints board I'm sure you'd find yourself happy in.
the wonger need food
All Pro
UGA said:
I am about as far from a Texans apologist as they come and I believe what the people in charge are telling us. I was as pissed as anyone on Friday night but the more we think about it the more this pick will make sense. You may experience some clarity yourself.
You and your boy Justice state that it was a financial decision when it is a know fact that Bush was offered $54 million with 26 of that guaranteed. He was asking for $28 million guaranteed and they ended up giving 26.6 to Williams. Either way, finances were not the issue here.
jmerog
Waterboy
well, i wanted bush. i never consideredmario seriously but after thinking about it i gotta say..
I LIKE IT!
The more i think about it the more i like it. I predict we will beat the Colts finally this year (once) because of our pass rush. I look for it to really come on the second half of the season. We were 30th in offense last year and 31th in defense. We needed defense.
plus we didn't neglect offense this offseason.
On offense, we gained
3 new O- linesmen (1 is a probowler)
A new probowl reciever ( to line up alongside our other probowl reciever))
A playoff caliber tight end that already knows our system.
...and a couple of other rooks
I LIKE IT!
The more i think about it the more i like it. I predict we will beat the Colts finally this year (once) because of our pass rush. I look for it to really come on the second half of the season. We were 30th in offense last year and 31th in defense. We needed defense.
plus we didn't neglect offense this offseason.
On offense, we gained
3 new O- linesmen (1 is a probowler)
A new probowl reciever ( to line up alongside our other probowl reciever))
A playoff caliber tight end that already knows our system.
...and a couple of other rooks
jmerog
Waterboy
I'm going out on a limb and saying the texans will not only beat the colts this year due to having a pass rush but also that we will have a top 10 defense and go 9-7 or better. I'll go further out on that limb to say that Carr will actually have time to throw this year due to an improved line and coaching and will pass for over 3500.
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dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
UGA said:
We had a miserable season. Since then, a very competent coaching staff has taken over. They have made massive changes via free agency. We drafted two very good looking OT prospects. We got Demeco Ryan, a good player and extraordinary person in the second round, and our new offensive-minded head coach shunned an offensive star and drafted defense with the first overall pick. I think this situation demands optimism, don't you?
TEXANRED
Texan-American
First I would like to say that at some point in the season when everything is going well and the Texans are working like a well oiled machine, Justice will write somthing to the degree of Mario Williams was the tough smart choice. No other pick would have made since. McNair had the guts to pull the trigger and such a contriversal pick..blah blah blah blah...........UGA said:
Second, I am thinking of one of five fingers for the rest of the football community. I will even give you five guesses, the first four are wrong.
tex2theend
Practice Squad
I love the Mario Williams pick. I think we made the right choice. Here is my thinking on this. People like Mario do not come along every year and defensive end is one of the most important positions left in the NFL. I can not say the same about running backs. Last year no one would give up a 2nd round pick for Edg or this years MVP so why should we use the first overall on a RB? My last thought on this.....Next years draft will have Jullian Peterson...who will be the Mario Williams? My guess is there will not be one for many years to come.
michaelm
vox nihili
UGA said:
From what I understand, the exact opposite is true of the way the trade went down.
The FO knew a while before the draft that Mario would be the pick and kept slipping that possibility out through the press to get people used to the idea.
The only problem is that despite them telling the media time after time that Mario was a viable pick, the media played conspiracy theorists and refused to believe the truth when it was constantly fed to them.
i bet McNair and Co. were beside themselves that the media wouldn't take the possibility seriously. The FO wanted to soften what they knew would be a hard blow to most fans, but the media wouldn't let the fans take the possibility seriously.
Funny how they were trying so hard to let us all know that it would happen, but no one wanted to listen.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
This is a message to UGA, and anybody else who wants to get it straight. The Texans did not have months of negotiations with Bush. The USC pro day was in the beginning of April and before that there was really no contact with Bush or his people other than interviews. If you remember correctly a short while after the USC pro-day the Texans flew Bush out and he came out here with his agent at this time no contract discussions were held. After that visit came Young and then Williams. I remember this clearly, the Texans started contract discussions with Williams agent when they were here. After that time they began negotiating with both camps. If you really follow the timeline they showed more interest in Williams than in Bush after Williams visit and everyone thought they were bluffing, but guess what the Texans are straight shooters no B.S. there. We, myself included thought it was a foregone conclusion that Bush would be a Texan so we didn't really consider what they were saying as serious. You say you want to be impartial, then you should present all the facts and not some generalization.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
trublu said:
Actually it does. good RB's are more common than good DE's off the top of your head you can probably name 5 premier RB's and more than likely their are alot more that are close to those five than you know. You really can't do that with DE's. It's so hard to find them that some teams would rather switch schemes than keep looking. Let's see there's Freeney, Peppers, Kearse, ummm...whatever. Point is it's easier to find good RB's than it is DE's. You point to Bush's versatility but Williams also has versatility he can line up anywhere along the line and if I remember correctly he's even had some LB time in college. I could keep going, suffice to say I don't think your comment is accurate.
My comment had to do with the value of James and Alexander and not with defensive ends; the words defensive end weren't even on my post. But if I look at the NFL roster I'm sure I can come up with more impact DE's than what you listed. Also, I never pointed out Bush's versitility, so I don't know where your comment came from.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
trublu said:
Really? I guess the huge disparity in salaries has nothing to do with the relative importance of the positions either.
Franchise tag numbers:
RB: $6.0 mil
DE: $8.3 mil
IMO the lack of interest in Edge and Alexander was a combination of age, perceived contract requirements and the need to give up a draft pick. A year later and a year older, both got lucrative deals, but no one gave up a pick on top to get them.
texplayer2
Waterboy
ojthecat said:
That is amazing
Did they all pick these pass rushers up with the #1 pick?
texplayer2
Waterboy
dat_boy_yec said:
People actually look at RB's more (and know more of them) because they touch the Ball. High profile Position. Rookie Linemen(Both sides of the Ball) have a learning curve, which is longer than most RB's. We shall see who is more common.
infantrycak said:
Again, I'm being qouted out of context. My comment was based on the trade value of James and Alexander not the comparison between RBs and DEs.
While the franchise tag for RB's is 6 mil, James is scheduled to make about 10 mil in his contract. It is obvious that the Cardinals value him alot.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
UGA said:
THERE IS NO WHINING IN FOOTBALL!!!! GET A GRIP!!!