Justice in the Chronicle - I gotta know

[TheOgre]

When Mack Brown became the head coach at Texas, he decided to retain defensive coordinator Carl Reese. Reese was a solid coordinator that believed in an aggressive defense with man coverage and a lot of blitzes. Brown let Reese run this style for a couple of years before he pushed for him to use a more conservative zone blocking scheme. Reese did this and it was a failure. It wasn't the scheme he loved and believed in. Eventually this led to his demise.

I think this is the situation we find ourselves in with Palmer and Capers. Palmer isn't really geared to run this style of play calling. While I think Palmer can be successful, I don't think he can do that within Capers' parameters. I really hope that Palmer is the scapegoat for this season (if we underachieve) and that Capers brings in a guy more suited to his system.

 

[Corrosion]

I really hope that Palmer is the scapegoat for this season (if we underachieve) and that Capers brings in a guy more suited to his system.

I'd like to see them both gone ....

 

[Porky]

I would get rid of Palmer, Fangio, Capers, Casserly, and all of the assistants except Hoke. Elevate Hoke to DC, or even head coach. That guy has Jeff Fisher potential, and he will bolt soon to an organization that can see his talent.

 

[Hervoyel]

Now that I've had time to sit and simmer in my negativity for a while I'm starting to calm down a little bit. It still doesn't take much to set me off but I'm at least no longer trying to find a good strong beam in my house that could hold a rope.

I'd honestly like to see a Palmer led team on an interim basis. Send Dom packing, keep everyone below him if they're willing to stay and promote as needed. I'd just like to see us either continue to do what we've been doing (and then really go buck wild on the "Fire Palmer" bandwagon) or see things change a little bit as we try to get a little wild and crazy with the offense.

I'd like to know for certain who's responsible for this train wreck. Firing Capers first accomplishes that. Even if nothing changes and it wasn't technically Capers fault it happened on his watch so you wouldn't feel bad for letting him go if it turned out Palmer was the problem.

Does that make any sense?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Now that I've had time to sit and simmer in my negativity for a while I'm starting to calm down a little bit. It still doesn't take much to set me off but I'm at least no longer trying to find a good strong beam in my house that could hold a rope.

I'd honestly like to see a Palmer led team on an interim basis. Send Dom packing, keep everyone below him if they're willing to stay and promote as needed. I'd just like to see us either continue to do what we've been doing (and then really go buck wild on the "Fire Palmer" bandwagon) or see things change a little bit as we try to get a little wild and crazy with the offense.

I'd like to know for certain who's responsible for this train wreck. Firing Capers first accomplishes that. Even if nothing changes and it wasn't technically Capers fault it happened on his watch so you wouldn't feel bad for letting him go if it turned out Palmer was the problem.

Does that make any sense?

there is something wrong with your medulla oblongata.

We are all searching for someone to be accountable, this is what happens when there is no leader on the team or on the staff. One vision, one voice and one heartbeat are usually good cliches that winning teams sing the praise of.

 

[Texans86]

Did you notice Carr looked hurt in the second quarter? He threw like he couldnt extend right.

I noticed that a little bit. It really looked bad on one play when he was not under significant pressure, but threw the ball short like he didn't have enough power behind it. Carr has been know for having one of the strongest arms in the league and I think Gaffney even compared his strength to Favre's when he came over from Green Bay. Carr's performance was pitiful to say the least, but it looks like getting knocked in the head and on the ground might be taking either his vision away or some of his strength.

 

[Porky]

Calm? I'll be calm when every person who was responsible for that debacle Sunday is standing in the unemployment line. That goes for Casserly to the guy who drives those silly trains ferrying players to and fro.

 

[TheOgre]

I can only imagine what the Broncos mb looks like after getting spanked by Miami.

 

[texasguy346]

Love the Captain Insano avatar Herv. You're seriously going to have to start selling these things.

 

[powda]

as much as people want to see carr rolled out of the pocket (and understandibly so considering the pocket) ive thought for sometime he dosent throw all that well on the move...

problem is..

hes always on the move wether its a designed rollout or hes shuffling over a few feet to evade someone.

and his mechancis regress after just 1 sack...even less then a sack.

a qb on the move with bad mechanics pretty much sums up what we've seen so far.

if thats not the explanation what is? how does a qb lose his accuarcy that bad over an offseason?

 

[Hervoyel]

Love the Captain Insano avatar Herv. You're seriously going to have to start selling these things.

It was fun drawing the tats on his arms.

 

[infantrycak]

Elevate Hoke to DC, or even head coach. That guy has Jeff Fisher potential, and he will bolt soon to an organization that can see his talent.

Hoke is the second coming, hmmmm? Could be, but I find it very curious that those who are hyping Hoke aren't saying anything about his (a) input into the P-Buc trade or (b) ability to coach P-Buc up to his potential.

Personally, I would like to know more about general defensive philosophy. Is he a Capers/Fangio zone blitzing/complex D guy, or is he a Phillips pin the ears back guy? I haven't seen anything about what he would do if he had more responsibility than the DB's have you?

 

[Double Barrel]

One of Carr's knocks in College was holding on to the ball too long and locking on to receivers. He hasn't gotten any better.

yikes! And after three full seasons going into the fourth now, it's quite obvious that he's not changing those tendencies. I'm starting to have the same doubts as you, man.

 

[Marcus]

Ok, I'm sure most everyone here has or will read this article in todays Chronicle. Would all of you do me the courtesy of telling me what you think about it here on this thread?

herv,

I haven't commented on the game until now because I wanted to take a couple of days and try to cool off. I think you know, and anyone else who has read my posts since the very beginning . . . knows how much I have defended Casserly, Capers, Palmer, Carr and everyone else, and tried to get everyone to be more patient.

Well, my patience has officially run out. It happened after I read his comments in the Chronicle today:

Capers said the reason the Texans didn't use the three-step drop they worked on in the offseason and training camp was because the Bills took it away.

"Their thought process was to take the quick passing game away because that's what they'd seen us throw a lot in preseason," he said. "They played two-deep coverage, and you have to be able to run the ball against two-deep coverage."

Huh? So you go back to the 5 and 7-step drops that got Carr beaten to a pulp all of last season? You take all that time working on a three-step drop in the offseason and preseason . . . and then decide not to use it in the regular season because other teams watched you do it? What kind of sense does that make?

I listen a lot to NFL Sirius Radio . . and Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.

 

[Exascor]

Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.

Note to self: When I finally get that 2 Billion dollars I've been saving up to buy the 33rd franchise in the NFL...don't let my GM pick a QB the first year. Make him wait until after the team is established.

 

[Hervoyel]

That's pretty bad stuff Marcus. It reveals so much about where Capers is taking this team and what we have to look forward to this year, and probably next year too. To say that Buffalo "took it away" is no different than Capers coming out and saying "We surrender". That's very fundamental stuff there.

You don't do what the other team lets you do. For crying out loud what kind of non-philosophy is that? You impose your will on your opponent. You overpower them and execute your offense.

Like you I saw that today and couldn't believe my eyes. This board is littered with posts where people crucify Carr for talking like a loser in his interviews after the game. Every single one of those posters needs to understand where he's getting it from.

Capers is gone in my eyes. From this day forward I'm counting time until the Texans send this very nice, meticulous, honest, and honorable loser packing.

 

[touttail]

They know they were hopeless and embarassing. Don't need us or the media telling them that.
They need to pick their heads up, or out of their you know what, and be an aggrevated and an agressive team Sunday.

That's what I will be looking for!!!!

bobby 119C

 

[Porky]

I also saw his quote in the Chronic today, and almost coughed out my oatmeal through my nose. I thought WTF is he doing actually getting anywhere near coaching a team with that kind of losers mentality. I couldn't believe it. But, this is pretty much par for the course. I have been harping on his whole "take what the other team gives" us mantra for a couple of years now. Besides that, how in the h e double hockey sticks does a defense take away the three step drop anyway? Can someone explain that one to me? It's pretty simple really. You see you grab the ball from the center, and you go one step, two steps, three steps, that's a boy. See how easy it is. Pretty soon you'll be dancing like Fred Aistaire. So they played two deep coverage. How in the world does that take a quick passing game away? Does Capers expect us to swallow this garbage? Are the Texans the only team to see two deep coverage? BS. If Carr can't beat the damn coverage, put in a QB who actually has a clue. The crapola is getting deep.

 

[CajunTexan]

You know, one thing that does not get much run is the running game. I'm from Louisiana and bleed purple and gold, but I really do not believe DD is all that and a bag of chips at running back. I mean, I do not think he scares any defensive coordinator in the league. When he has gotten his yards, we have had a balanced attack. But, if a team puts 7 or 8 in the box DD goes nowhere.

Absolutely nothing was addressed in the off season to improve the offense. An offense that from year one should have been designed around Carr's strength's, strong arm, mobility a verticle offense has been tweeked to 3 step drops etc. They did not get the players to protect Carr and the verticle design, so they admitted defeat and changed it. No wonder Carr "felt like he was back in his rookie year."

 

[Vinny]

Besides that, how in the h e double hockey sticks does a defense take away the three step drop anyway? Can someone explain that one to me? It's pretty simple really.

It is simple. You press the receivers and shade your linebackers inside. This takes away the slant and the hitch. Your QB needs to be able to read coverages though...or you will throw a bunch of picks.

 

[Iroquois Joe]

I would get rid of Palmer, Fangio, Capers, Casserly, and all of the assistants except Hoke. Elevate Hoke to DC, or even head coach. That guy has Jeff Fisher potential, and he will bolt soon to an organization that can see his talent.

First post boys. New coach, Our DC is a prime prospect who hails from Texas. That's right folks Mr.Jerry Gray. He's going to get snatched up next year by some smart GM or owner.

Dropped by to see how you all were, looks like every other teams board when they loose, a game.

Bills' was the same, especially after Frankenstien Bledsoe pulled off one of his spectacular goof ups that cost us a game, the Bills may lose more than they win this year, but regardless, I'll be sticking with my team. Stick with yours, it's only the opening game, 15 more to go.

Give your D credit. They did pretty well against the run and stood tall a couple of times in the red zone.

 

[Porky]

It is simple. You press the receivers and shade your linebackers inside. This takes away the slant and the hitch. Your QB needs to be able to read coverages though...or you will throw a bunch of picks.

Ya, I knew their corners were pressing a lot. My post was somewhat toungue in cheek. I mean, they act like we are the poor picked on Texans. Nobody will let us have a touchdown easily. Boo freakin hoo. Do they expect us to believe other teams don't face press coverages, two deep zones, mixed coverages, various blitz packages, man-to-man coverage, rolling of safeties to one side, double coverages, and on and on. I am sick and tired of the same dog and pony show. It's the same old tired excuses game after game going on four years now. Enough, I say. News Flash to Capers and Cass - The Texans are not the only team to see these coverages, yet, you morons act like it is. I have concluded one of two things - a. the players (notably Carr) do not have the mental or physical capacity to learn to overcome these defenses, in which case those in charge of assembling the talent should be fired, or b. the coaches are not teaching or getting through to their charges, in which case, the coaches should be fired. I have a feeling it's a bit of both, so at this point, I am in favor of ditching the whole blasted lot of them. If I see another round of these weak excuses next week, I think I may undergo spontanous combustion.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

First post boys. New coach, Our DC is a prime prospect who hails from Texas. That's right folks Mr.Jerry Gray. He's going to get snatched up next year by some smart GM or owner.

Dropped by to see how you all were, looks like every other teams board when they loose, a game.

Bills' was the same, especially after Frankenstien Bledsoe pulled off one of his spectacular goof ups that cost us a game, the Bills may lose more than they win this year, but regardless, I'll be sticking with my team. Stick with yours, it's only the opening game, 15 more to go.

Give your D credit. They did pretty well against the run and stood tall a couple of times in the red zone.

Thanks for the spiritual words. I have been on the Gray bandwagon for a couple of weeks, but have not given up on Capers just yet. Just keeping an eye on the best option.

 

[edo783]

herv,

I listen a lot to NFL Sirius Radio . . and Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.

I was saying that last season. I suspect we have ruined what COULD have been an eliet QB. That ol Mike Vick may not have been all that dumb coming out early to avoid the expansion team.

 

[Marcus]

You know what else ***angers me greatly***?

I can't watch any other NFL game and just enjoy the competition for what it is? Instead, all I see is how the other teams' QBs have a chance to set up and look downfield.

Pathetic or what? It almost makes me wonder if I had more fun watching football when this city didn't have a team.

I said almost for those of you who are hard of hearing.

 

[Double Barrel]

I suspect we have ruined what COULD have been an elite QB.

That thought has crossed my mind many times the past 48 hours.

Is it something he can overcome?...with us? A new start somewhere else?

You know what else ***angers me greatly***?

I can't watch any other NFL game and just enjoy the competition for what it is? Instead, all I see is how the other teams' QBs have a chance to set up and look downfield.

Pathetic or what?

No, man, its not pathetic at all. I've thought the exact same thing watching all the other games. It is quite aggravating.

Same with our running game, too.