Just a thought...

[Dionysus22]

I'm all for revamping the starting four: Sharper, Wong, Peek, and Babin. On the other hand, I would like to see some freakish sideline to sideline speed. What are ya'lls thoughts of trading Kailee Wong for more picks and drafting Derrick Johnson for ILB? I'm sure we could get a second round, or maybe a few second day picks for Wong. We could really use those picks to beef up the O-line or that fearless, kamakazie type receiver we've been needing. Lets face it, Bradford is not the answer and Gaffney is too fragile. I love Wong like the rest of you and I know he's been one of the back bones of this defense but I'm afraid that we might be holding on to something that will last maybe three more years and passing up what might be the next Ray Lewis for the next ten years. I think we've learned a thing or two from watching those "old guys" with the stars on their helments pass up a pro-bowl type player cause they're trying to hang on to a player that MIGHT one day pay-off. Just a thought.

 

[BuffSoldier]

I say if DJ is there, definitely take him, but I doubt we trade up for him. People keep saying that this years draft will be a weak one but I bet we wont give up that weak 2nd rounder to move up a few spots a get that LongHorn. DJ to me is the best player in the draft and has the best chance to be a pro-bowl rook.

 

[Dionysus22]

aaahhhh we can dream though can't we?

 

[TEXANS84]

For those of you who were on here last year...it reminds me alot of all the "Sean Taylor" talking.

Casserly knows what he is doing...and I have full faith in him (Andre, Dunta). If DJ falls to us...definitley take him. But Im sure they'll be others that will make just as big of an impact.

 

[texanfan2002114]

For those of you who were on here last year...it reminds me alot of all the "Sean Taylor" talking.

Casserly knows what he is doing...and I have full faith in him (Andre, Dunta). If DJ falls to us...definitley take him. But Im sure they'll be others that will make just as big of an impact.

But one thing about Sean Taylor is that he is a head case!! Bad in the locker room, where DJ would become the leader on defense after a couple of years!!

If the Texans could trade up without hurting the future to get DJ, I would!!

 

[Dionysus22]

very good point! Sean was a head-case. DJ would provide leadership and would be, in my opinion, like Michael Vick on defense.

 

[TEXANS84]

I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

 

[Dionysus22]

Another good point, but lets not forget about the other obvious problem. The D-line! With seth Payne in and out of IR and Gary Walker the same I'd like to see us a little more focused on the front seven. There isn't a lot of talent at the DE and DT spot this year in the draft. So go to the next best thing, a future dominate athlete, that should be wearing a big "S" on his chest, and is currently wearing burnt orange. I do however agree about AG, but unfortunately the talent isn't really that deep either this year. There maybe a few that might provide a spark but not good enough to be taken that high. I think we address that issue in the late second, early third round.

I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

 

[nunusguy]

I think Derrick Johnson has a very good chance of being the top non QB selected in this years College Draft, and could even be #1 overall. So of
course it would be great to have him here, but the price would just be so
steep, very unlikely he'll be a Texan.

 

[texanfan2002114]

I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

I totally agree with you about AG and needing another corner, but if you get pressure on the QB then AG won't be so bad out there. The problem is the Texans are not getting any pressure on the QB which gives the QB time to find the open man or for the man to get open.

As far a Sean Taylor and nobody knew that he was a head case, I guess you didn't read any of the papers in Florida. He was in it atleast once a month with conflicts with teamates and coachs. I was happy he was gone when the Texans drafted.

 

[bckey]

Don't forget that we can always move Coleman back to corner if we have to.

 

[infantrycak]

Lets face it, Bradford is not the answer and Gaffney is too fragile.

Don't understand where comments like this come from--fragile? Gaffney has not missed a game his entire tenure in the NFL.

I do however agree about AG, but unfortunately the talent isn't really that deep either this year. There maybe a few that might provide a spark but not good enough to be taken that high.

Really?--there are at least four CB's with good chances of being taken in the top half of the 1st round--Rolle, Jones, Miller and Rogers. Two of them share a lot in common with Dunta--Jones & Miller are both speedy gamblers that play big against the run. Seems like plenty of talent that may be BPA at #13.

 

[F-minus67]

if DJ isn't there we could always go with Merrimen, this guy is a physical freak. he has like a 41" vertical, benches close to 400lbs and squats close to 600lbs.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

as good as it would seem for us to get DJ i doubt he will still be there when we pick, now if this had been last year our the year before than yes we prolly woulda got him. But he is to good of a player for many teams to pass up, But i do still keep my fingers crossed we get him. And i figure AG has 2 more years left and i doubt we'll adress the CB position this year, we'll give a young guy a good year to learn and watch AG and D-Rob, and than he will have been mentored by the 2 best corners in the league !

 

[edo783]

The more I think about it and watch the discussions, I think we will be going for one of the CBs that are available and one of the good ones (hopefully Pac-man or J. Miller) should be available at 13. I like that prospect.

 

[M@DD Mike]

I like Thomas Davis he would make a huge Impaact in the secondary.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

exactly, good post steel blue.

 

[TEXANS84]

We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".

 

[TexansTrueFan]

Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".

wow those were deions words ???? a lil philosophy it sounds like, and where did he go to college ? Cause i never thought he could say anything half worth listening to !

 

[nunusguy]

And i figure AG has 2 more years left

We may address it in later rounds for someone who can help us, even start for us several years down the line after AGs retirement. But here's the deal, they will be under the gun this year to make the playoffs and that's why I'm confidant the first round pick will not be a CB or any DB - this is maybe ourur strongest area. We have plenty of areas where we need upgrades right now if we are to realistically compete for a playoff spot this year (or next).
Just looking at the D, We need a frontline players in both the DL and LB areas much more than the Defensive Backfield. There will be a lot of pressure for the team to go > 500 and into the playoffs this fall, therefor I don't think they
will use the 13th overall to pick someone who won't make a contribution until a futue year.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

oh yes i agree with you thats why i said i think AG has 2 more years and we prolly shouldnt worry about getting a CB replacement for Glenn not this draft but the next. We have bigger issues to be adressed other than CBs !

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

What happens if a corner is by far the best player on the board at 13 ? What happens if Ronnie Brown is on the board at 13 ?

 

[TexansTrueFan]

we i dont know what will actually happen unless i some how become the Texans GM over night, JK. But seriously i still wouldnt get a CB, we would have a great secondary as it is if our front 7 could just get a little pressure !

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

If Pac Man is their with his 4.3 -40 yd would you take him or trade the pick .

 

[TexansTrueFan]

cant lie i'd prolly take him, i mean when something good comes ya way ya gotta take it. But i still do feel we have bigger problems to worry about right now. I doubt he'll be there for us when we pick !

 

[Cincinnatikid]

It is really a chicken and egg discussion, when one area improves so will the other. If the dline gets better, then the LBs get better pass rush, and the DBs can cover for less time. If the DBs dont get burnt in 2 secs, then there is time for the front seven to get to the QB. Either way we need to improve both aspects. To me LB is our best position on defense, some improvement is needed but i think we have 4 solid players that can start in babin wong sharper and peek. Get them some help and results will be seen in terms of pass rush.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

It is really a chicken and egg discussion, when one area improves so will the other. If the dline gets better, then the LBs get better pass rush, and the DBs can cover for less time. If the DBs dont get burnt in 2 secs, then there is time for the front seven to get to the QB. Either way we need to improve both aspects. To me LB is our best position on defense, some improvement is needed but i think we have 4 solid players that can start in babin wong sharper and peek. Get them some help and results will be seen in terms of pass rush.

yes we know this if ya woulda read the other posts we posted we ALL agreed that if our DL could get some pressure we would have an awesome secondary, they actually cover well but just have to cover WAY TO LONG !!!!

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

This post is more about a player you may not really have considered but can't refuse . You like blondes but Eva Longoria calls .

 

[TexansTrueFan]

This post is more about a player you may not really have considered but can't refuse . You like blondes but Eva Longoria calls .

haha very true, we might want things but dont mean we wont take others ! i liked that

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

What if Ronnie Brown falls to 13 .

 

[infantrycak]

We may address it in later rounds for someone who can help us, even start for us several years down the line after AGs retirement. But here's the deal, they will be under the gun this year to make the playoffs and that's why I'm confidant the first round pick will not be a CB or any DB - this is maybe ourur strongest area. We have plenty of areas where we need upgrades right now if we are to realistically compete for a playoff spot this year (or next).
Just looking at the D, We need a frontline players in both the DL and LB areas much more than the Defensive Backfield. There will be a lot of pressure for the team to go > 500 and into the playoffs this fall, therefor I don't think they
will use the 13th overall to pick someone who won't make a contribution until a futue year.

No offense, but what this says is IMO exactly why you have to look at BPA instead of needs order. DL may be a higher need than CB this year, but what best serves the Texans this year and in the future (1) a great potential CB at #13 who immediatly takes over as the 3rd CB and moves Faggins to 4th (and is very likely to move Glenn to nickle or dime in 1-3 years) and a good value DL at #47 who immediately comes into the DL rotation as the 4th best DLmen or (2) a reach at #13 for a DLmen who also immediately comes into the DL rotation and a CB who may come into dime packages now and hopefully develops someday into a starter? Perceived need can't irrationally overtake the talent of the actual players available at each draft selection--well it can but it isn't a good way to build a team IMO.

 

[texasguy346]

wow those were deions words ???? a lil philosophy it sounds like, and where did he go to college ? Cause i never thought he could say anything half worth listening to !

That's his Florida State edu-mah-cation. Honestly he's more entertaining to me than Irvin is on ESPN. Both can be fun to watch at times.


I've mentioned in other threads that I'd be happy with Miller or Jones at #13. However, I'd prefer to trade down a few slots and pick up Marcus Spears, and then maybe getting a guy like Rogers or Browner in the second. Problem is that Rogers might not last till the second. Then perhaps grab Baas with the extra 2nd round pick. Thats a dream scenario, and chances are nothing close to that will happen. As far as needing a safety I'm not so sure we do need one, but even if we did I'd rather address it later in the draft by picking up a Jammal Brimmer in the 3rd or so. It will be fun to see what happens come draft day.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I wonder how these CBs compare to last year . Dunta and Hall were rated much higher than the next which I think was Gamble . There seems to be six good CBs that will be first round picks . I guess my point would be Dunta was the 2nd CB at the 10th pick . The third CB this year will be much better than Gamble the 3rd CB last year and I think the Texans are going to have a shot at the 2nd CB at 13 .

 

[Cincinnatikid]

yes we know this if ya woulda read the other posts we posted we ALL agreed that if our DL could get some pressure we would have an awesome secondary, they actually cover well but just have to cover WAY TO LONG !!!!

Easy, im not saying that you guys didnt say we need dline. My point was that either way, we need to draft one of these positions and get some immediate help. my main point is that if we get a dlineman then everything else should improve greatly or if we get a DB that will help in coverage and add that extra second for the front 7 to get to the QB.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Spears would make a bigger impact on this team than any CB in the draft.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Thats if Spears is there . The only team who can take anybody is the 49ers . The rest have to get on message boards and speculate .

 

[infantrycak]

Spears would make a bigger impact on this team than any CB in the draft.

It is nice to have that certainty in knowing the impact of each player in the NFL.

Signed--Johnathon Sullivan #6 pick and Jimmy Kennedy #12 pick, 2003 draft.

 

[wags]

It is nice to have that certainty in knowing the impact of each player in the NFL.

Signed--Johnathon Sullivan #6 pick and Jimmy Kennedy #12 pick, 2003 draft.

Both are DL by the way. One from UGA.

 

[texasguy346]

Kennedy seemed to do fairly well for the Rams when he wasn't injured.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

The chuck rule has all but negated the impact of premiere cover corners. The front 7's ability to collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB is the most important aspect on defense.

Signed--Randall Gay, Earthwind Moreland and Asante Samuel, 2005 Superbowl Champions

 

[infantrycak]

Both are DL by the way. One from UGA.

I know they are both DLmen. I picked them because every year someone tries to justify their perceived top need by saying they will have a bigger impact. Passing up on better players to get a need position is the best formula possible to get a guy that doesn't impact the team as much, especially in the long run.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Its negated the more physical corners who may not be as fast . So its putting a premium on speed and the value of it .

 

[infantrycak]

The chuck rule has all but negated the impact of premiere cover corners. The front 7's ability to collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB is the most important aspect on defense.

Signed--Randall Gay, Earthwind Moreland and Asante Samuel, 2005 Superbowl Champions

Having the best teamwork rather than relying on superstars (cough Manning cough) wins championships.

Signed--the other 50 members of the 2005 Superbowl Champions.

The death of the CB is a nice storyline to follow the emphasis on the chuck rule, and it is total and complete BS. The best pass rushing D in the NFL last year averaged 3 sacks per game. CB's have to cover 30-40 passing plays per game. Instead of the death of the CB, the chuck rule emphasis has just narrowed the field for what is a great NFL CB.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".

Exactly. We can draft all the CBs we want but if our front 7 can not generate a consistent pass rush, we will get burned regardless because CBs can only cover WRs for so long. Prime Time agrees with me.

 

[Vinny]

Exactly. We can draft all the CBs we want but if our front 7 can not generate a consistent pass rush, we will get burned regardless because CBs can only cover WRs for so long. Prime Time agrees with me.

Well that is a given, but if you grade out a lineman and he is no better than what you have already what is the use of drafting him just to draft him? You have to take talent when you have the opportunity.

 

[nunusguy]

No offense, but what this says is IMO exactly why you have to look at BPA instead of needs order. DL may be a higher need than CB this year, but what best serves the Texans this year and in the future (1) a great potential CB at #13 who immediatly takes over as the 3rd CB and moves Faggins to 4th (and is very likely to move Glenn to nickle or dime in 1-3 years) and a good value DL at #47 who immediately comes into the DL rotation as the 4th best DLmen or (2) a reach at #13 for a DLmen who also immediately comes into the DL rotation and a CB who may come into dime packages now and hopefully develops someday into a starter? Perceived need can't irrationally overtake the talent of the actual players available at each draft selection--well it can but it isn't a good way to build a team IMO.

FWIW, I agree with most of what you say. I should have qualified my remarks by making it clear that we shouldn't leave a clearly superior football player on the board to satisfy a > need at another position. If the other guy is just marginally superior, that's OK, but you're right - ultimately gotta go with the BPA if he's substantially better than the need guy.

 

[infantrycak]

FWIW, I agree with most of what you say. I should have qualified my remarks by making it clear that we shouldn't leave a clearly superior football player on the board to satisfy a > need at another position. If the other guy is just marginally superior, that's OK, but you're right - ultimately gotta go with the BPA if he's substantially better than the need guy.

And FWIW, I agree with the above. I hate draft bar code mentality that acts like you can scan a player and it beeps and says "worth 51st pick." At best you can put people into groups of similarly talented players. Then you watch what happens above you and see who is left from your top available band--most of the time there won't be players from every position in each band. If one guy stands out you take him. If several are generally together then you take the player your team needs the most from that group. What I have a problem with is people wanting to jump whole goups of talent on need. Generally speaking--I guess I have a BPA with a needs based tie-breaker kind of draft philosophy.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

This draft is looking to be the year of the CB. I've seen two CBs Rogers and Rolle for a game . I thought Rogers can play and some have rated him the 3rd or 4th best CB. This is where you'll get the best player at 13 . I'm not sure somebody will emerge to bump Spears as the best DL. So he'll be gone .

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Well that is a given, but if you grade out a lineman and he is no better than what you have already what is the use of drafting him just to draft him? You have to take talent when you have the opportunity.

Well then may I ask why you drafted 2 defensive linemen in the mock draft?