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June 1st Cuts
- Thread starter ATX
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Texas_Heat
Waterboy
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
June 1st isn't a deadline; it's a beginning. From June 1st until I think November, any player cut has their remaining prorated bonus count 1/2 on this year's cap and 1/2 on 2006. So, other than to accomodate the player being cut, there is no incentive for a team to do so immediately.
LikeABoss
Rookie
John Clayton was ESPN News and he said that Koren Robinson and Bobby Taylor will be cut.
Even though Koren has character issues, he will still be a hot commodity in free agency.
If the Texans want to get an experienced solid #2 WR with youth, athleticism, speed, and height advantage of opposing DB's, then I think they should give Robinson a look.
IMO, a change of scenery should help this guy revive his career.
Even though Koren has character issues, he will still be a hot commodity in free agency.
If the Texans want to get an experienced solid #2 WR with youth, athleticism, speed, and height advantage of opposing DB's, then I think they should give Robinson a look.
IMO, a change of scenery should help this guy revive his career.
Koren just can't stay out of the law though:LikeABoss said:
Seahawks | Robinson in Trouble Again - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:04:14 -0700
Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Koren Robinson has been charged with DUI and reckless driving following a May 6 incident. This latest incident could spell the end for the troubled wide receiver in Seattle. He pleaded not guilty Tuesday, May 31 to the misdemeanor criminal charges filed in Kirkland Municipal Court, and he is due back before Judge Albert Raines July 18, documents show.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
TEXANS84 said:
I believe he's already been suspended 4 games for testing positive for drugs. If so, I believe a DUI conviction (once in the program) is the same as a positive test and he could be facing another suspension.
TexanFan881
All Pro
I like Koren Robinson because he is capable of playing great football and being a great wideout for us or any other team out there... but how many DUI's can this guy get.
jacquescas
Veteran
you are happier with the TE position than the WR 2 spot?
Texan Dave
Waterboy
Let the coaches see what they want with the whole wr#2 thing, it's Gaffenys 4'th year, and lots of WR's have break out years in year #4. (not saying all of them do, but lots of them do) Gaffeny is a 4.4 guy, and that's plenty fast enough to be #2, especially with Armstrong giving them enough talent at the slot to give Gaffeny a shot. I know that Gaffeny isn't a speed burner 4.2-4.3 guy, but Johnson is, Drew Bennit has been verry successfull as a #2 and he isn't anywear near as fast as Gaffeny.(of course I know he's about 4 inches taller to compensate)
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Starling may be in the mix this year. He is quick, fast and has hands.
LikeABoss
Rookie
Davis37 said:
Koren Robinson has already had a season with over 70 catches and a season with over 60 catches
Corey Bradford has never caught over 50 passes throughout his entire career in the NFL.
Koren Robinson has been in the league for four years and has a total of 213 catches.
Corey Bradford has been in the league for seven years and only has a total of 167 catches
Koren Robinson's game>>>Corey Bradford's entire existance in the NFL
Need more proof:
Bradford's stats
Robinson's stats
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
We are fine at receiver. If the offensive line improves in its second year using a zone blocking scheme, which I believe they will, then the Texans passing game will improve significantly just because of that.
The smartest thing the Texans did this offseason was exercising a little patience and self control, actions which included sticking with the same starting OL, drafting a receiver in round four, re-signing bradford (who may be the number four or five receiver by the time the season starts). And all of this contrary to the counsel of the many "experts" here on this board.
Many people on this board seem to be modeling the following advice:
When in danger, or in doubt,
run in circles, scream and shout.
You guys crack me up.
The smartest thing the Texans did this offseason was exercising a little patience and self control, actions which included sticking with the same starting OL, drafting a receiver in round four, re-signing bradford (who may be the number four or five receiver by the time the season starts). And all of this contrary to the counsel of the many "experts" here on this board.
Many people on this board seem to be modeling the following advice:
When in danger, or in doubt,
run in circles, scream and shout.
You guys crack me up.
Texan Dave
Waterboy
LOL.... I liked that one.
LikeABoss
Rookie
D-ReK said:
First, can you provide a link to backup that claim.
Second, excluding this past season, Robinson has had way more balls thrown to him than Bradford, so of course Robinson's drops are gonna seem more inflated than Bradford's drops, because the ball is being thrown to Robinson more than Bradford.
Third, even with those 10 drops you are claiming, Robinson has still caught more passes in a season than Bradford, which I've pointed out in my earlier post.
I don't see how you can even try to comapre these two when Bradford has never caught over 50 passes nor recieved over 1000 yards throughout his entire existance in the NFL.
And why do you keep talking like no WR can drop a pass? You were saying that same stuff about Troy Williamson. Can you give this dropped passes stuff a rest, because all great WRs have dropped some passes.
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
LikeABoss said:
Koren Robinson:
2004
Targets: 67 Drops: 10
2003
Targets: 119 Drops: 10
Corey Bradford:
2004
Targets: 54 Drops: 3
2003
Targets: 62 Drops: 1
I realize all WRs drop passes, but Robinson's drop numbers are ridiculous...Also, Robinson was a #1 WR in Seattle, so of course he's going to have more catches than Bradford, who has always been the second (or third) option...
texasguy346
Mod Squad
I tend to agree with DRek. Robinson's production isn't enough for me to ignore the baggage that comes along with him. Koren's has alot of talent, but his hands are horrible. The last thing I want is to see the OLine give Carr time to complete a pass to a wide open Robinson only to have him drop the ball. :brickwall
Texans Pride
Veteran
MojoMan said:
He He, I like this, I believe I will write it up and hang it in my classroom!
ATX
Hall of Fame
All those recievers for Seattle except Rice have horrible hands. what's robinson gonna do with a rocket from carr? he'll drop even more passes. Instead of going out and picking up receivers, let out guys develop. i mean gaffney and armstrong will only get better, plus we got some young talent in mathis, starling, and thomas. i say we stay put at wr unless a young quality receiver is available that has a better upside than the 5 i mentioned above.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
D-ReK said:
Not jumping on one side or the other here, but just to make the comparison apples to apples--Robinson dropped 10.7 % of the passes thrown his way the last two years, Bradford dropped 3.8%--people need to give that one a rest. I will say this, regardless of whether Robinson is better or not, over the last two years Bradford's hands have not been a problem. Now getting open enough, Carr progressing thru to him, time for Carr.....
texasguy346
Mod Squad
YodAa said:
We'll probably hear more sometime tommorrow. The Bucs have been said to be interested in releasing Steussie, Garner, Stinchcomb, and Walker among others. I doubt you'll see all of them get released, but you could see a few being given their walking papers.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
bigTEXan8 said:First off, the last thing the Texans need is a drunk who can't catch 9 yd in route from a QB who's arm doesn't exactly burn the ball to his WRs. Heck, I'm a better WR than Robinson because I don't do drugs and I don't get ridicuously drunk and then go driving. Second, we need to sign Shelton because Wade or whoever is at LT is about as good as a tree stump. Third, we aren't going to sign Law, because we don't have enough cap room to sign a guy who will get injured 6 weeks into the season. Plus, we want speed, and Law has lost a step. Fourth, what we need to do is get a decent TE. Hopefully, we can fiind someone. I'm out.
Yikes! Something tells me you call the Jim Rome show. First of all, Wade plays RT, Wand plays LT and they are both much better than a tree stump. What makes you think Shelton would be an improvement? Is it the hours of film study you've gone through analyzing Shelton? If you don't have the DirecTV Package you couldn't possibly have watched much of the Cardinals since Shelton was drafted. Second, we've got a decent TE. We signed Marcellus Rivers. I'm sure you don't know who he is but your ignorance of him doesn't make him a poor TE. Everyone would like to have Heap, Tony G., or Crumpler... However, there aren't many of those guys out there.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Yes it is now official: about time some decent players were cut.
And more...
and on Johnnie Morton...
TexanFan881
All Pro
Two more cuts:
Plus:
Plus:
MrLizardTX
Waterboy
bigTEXan8 said:First off... Hopefully, we can fiind someone. I'm out.
Great e-mail! Rack him!
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
MojoMan said:
I believe the zone-blocking scheme is related to the running game. However, if the zone-blocking improves and more teams have to respect the run, then the passing may improve.
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
Rittenhouse,
Thanks for the correction. The Texans OL was in a state of flux due to the introduction of new starting players on the offensive line, a new zone blocking scheme (for run blocking), and also a few injuries. If we can continue on the same course for a second year in a row, it is my sense that the OL will improve quite noticeably this year. Making substantial changes to the OL this year would lead to another transition year, and the problems and growing pains that go with that.
Thanks for the correction. The Texans OL was in a state of flux due to the introduction of new starting players on the offensive line, a new zone blocking scheme (for run blocking), and also a few injuries. If we can continue on the same course for a second year in a row, it is my sense that the OL will improve quite noticeably this year. Making substantial changes to the OL this year would lead to another transition year, and the problems and growing pains that go with that.
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
The talent on our line has been criticized by almost every other NFL scout. They all thought that our top need going into the draft was the O-line.
So they were all wrong........and David Carr was wrong, when he told the coaches to do something about the line ?
Our line just needs to gel..........sorry, but, I'm not buying it.
So they were all wrong........and David Carr was wrong, when he told the coaches to do something about the line ?
Our line just needs to gel..........sorry, but, I'm not buying it.