Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
Judging Carr
- Thread starter fastpitchwoof
- Start date
bayoudreamn
Rookie
Kaiser Toro said:
AMEN!!!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Hulk75 said:Just ask, I am always here to answer your questions.
Then we have an accord.
Happy days are here again. 
Revolution
Rookie
infantrycak said:
A voice of reason. Thank you infantry!
TwinSisters
Veteran
Revolution said:
I do believe that is the first time, in all of the history of the universe, that infantry and voice of reason have ever sat so close to each other. ( Har har )
Live in fame or go down in flame.
Besides that...
David is Old Testament
Jesus is New Testament
It's his hair, not Jesus.
It says so right there in the Bible... you don't put old wine in new sacks.
Kaiser Toro said:
Dude, the 'hail Mary' didn't just invent itself!
Wait, that wasn't a rhetorical question?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Double Barrel said:Dude, the 'hail Mary' didn't just invent itself!
I am not being drug back into this one.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Kaiser Toro said:I am not being drug back into this one.
Sorry...this one slipped by me. *takes up post* I will now be holding down the anti-religious perspective for the rest of this thread...sorry Im late guys, but in summation, your all wrong about everything. God doesn't walk with david carr. David carr actually angers god 70+ times a season. We call them..sacks.
johnny_tlmn said:This year will be D. Carr's oppurtunity to see what he's made of. Now of course I know he's got it, talent that is, but what concerns me is his lack of leadership. Like I said this season will be the season either he makes it.....or not. I believe he'll pull through.
There are lots of great players who don't have leadership skills. The QB doesn't necessarily have to be the leader. Look at Ray Lewis of the Ravens for example. There are plenty of leaders on very successful teams that have leaders who aren't QBs.
South Texan
Waterboy
Personal faith beliefs not withstanding...
A better offensive line (hopefully, the opposing team's defense won't be lining up in our backfield this year),
A defense that should give the offense more time on the field,
A talented double barreled wide receiver threat,
Tight ends that get to catch the football,
and most important, A coach that knows how to get in a QB's head and make him all that he can be.
Call me optimistic, but I see a lot of potential for this to be a break out year for Carr.
A better offensive line (hopefully, the opposing team's defense won't be lining up in our backfield this year),
A defense that should give the offense more time on the field,
A talented double barreled wide receiver threat,
Tight ends that get to catch the football,
and most important, A coach that knows how to get in a QB's head and make him all that he can be.
Call me optimistic, but I see a lot of potential for this to be a break out year for Carr.
South Texan said:Personal faith beliefs not withstanding...
A better offensive line (hopefully, the opposing team's defense won't be lining up in our backfield this year),
A defense that should give the offense more time on the field,
A talented double barreled wide receiver threat,
Tight ends that get to catch the football,
and most important, A coach that knows how to get in a QB's head and make him all that he can be.
Call me optimistic, but I see a lot of potential for this to be a break out year for Carr.
A.) Your assessment of a better offensive line is highly speculative. B.) If you don't have that improved offensive line, then it won't matter who Carr is throwing to. C.) You don't need TEs who can catch -- you need TEs who can block. D.) Carr is fine -- with or without Kubiak.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
MY Texans pick for 06-07 record: [8-8]
Honestly I see Carr becoming an average NFL QB this year - I think #15 or so would be reasonably good production for him this year. With a total scheme change, coaching changes, line changes and some player changes, he will have some growing to do all around and should end up with a decent record by years end. I think David will make some good strides this year, will have a few regressions, but overall will come out with decent stats, lower his sacks and be much better prepared for the 07 season.
In 2007 I see that as DC's breakout year. I see him reaching to a probable Top ten spot as an NFL QB for the 07 season. Barring any injuries David should be hitting his stride in 07, being comfortable with the scheme, timing and players and ready to light it up as a good NFL QB possibly leading them to the playoffs.
Overall - IMO it will be an adjustment year for everyone on the team much like last year was, but without all the rookies in starter spots and no longer working with the most clueless staff in football[Capers & co]. David will finally have all the tools to work with and a real offensive scheme which will help the team and David excel alot more and better utilize their strengths. IMO the team will have good games and bad ones this year as the team adjusts and develops its personality under Coach Kubes and learns his way of doing things along with all the players learning new schemes on both sides of the ball.
Honestly I see Carr becoming an average NFL QB this year - I think #15 or so would be reasonably good production for him this year. With a total scheme change, coaching changes, line changes and some player changes, he will have some growing to do all around and should end up with a decent record by years end. I think David will make some good strides this year, will have a few regressions, but overall will come out with decent stats, lower his sacks and be much better prepared for the 07 season.
In 2007 I see that as DC's breakout year. I see him reaching to a probable Top ten spot as an NFL QB for the 07 season. Barring any injuries David should be hitting his stride in 07, being comfortable with the scheme, timing and players and ready to light it up as a good NFL QB possibly leading them to the playoffs.
Overall - IMO it will be an adjustment year for everyone on the team much like last year was, but without all the rookies in starter spots and no longer working with the most clueless staff in football[Capers & co]. David will finally have all the tools to work with and a real offensive scheme which will help the team and David excel alot more and better utilize their strengths. IMO the team will have good games and bad ones this year as the team adjusts and develops its personality under Coach Kubes and learns his way of doing things along with all the players learning new schemes on both sides of the ball.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
TEXAN2TOUGH said:
That's a statement I can not agree with.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
TEXAN2TOUGH said:
I do not think so, but I can certainly hope for it.
TEXAN2TOUGH said:
I agree. Carr is a good quaterback than most people give him credit for. Given the offense he has this year doesn't even compare to the past four years.
For him to even win some games with average talent around him says something.
Sometimes it was the defense that lost the games anyway.
Hulk75
Veteran
Thats what I am saying.............And how many games last year did we loose because we could not get one more stop on D, NOT saying it was good for the Offense last year, but dang can we get a stop every now again..........But that is in the past, I dont care what happened last year cause this is not even the same team from last year.santo said:
I appolgize if this has already been brought up but... a lot of qbs need time to adjust to the West Coast offense, ie Micheal Vick, Joey Harrington, etc. do you feel Carr will need time. To me 
even if he does not execute perfectly I think all of his major numbers will increase, yardage, touchdowns, completion percentage, etc. What does everyone else think?
even if he does not execute perfectly I think all of his major numbers will increase, yardage, touchdowns, completion percentage, etc. What does everyone else think?
TwinSisters
Veteran
I don't think it has all that much to do with his numbers when it comes down to it. We use them to look at specific things ( or try to look at specific things without having the game tape ), but that's not the issue so much.
He costs 7 million dollars a year and has cost 7 million dollars a year.
( or is it 10? something close to that )
When Vick walks out on the field, people feel like he is going to help them win. Defenses plan for him.
When Carr walks out on the field, I don't think anybody fears him. I don't think anybody outside of the Reliant sphere of influence thinks that he is going to win and nobody really thinks he is going to beat them.
You have to prove you can beat Vick.
Carr has to prove he can beat you.
NOT good and that's a problem. Somebody was kicking a stat around here about his cost-to-performance ratio... and that didn't look good either. Compared to how he ranks in the NFL in performance and in pay is significant in a cap-based league.
That's also why there is patience with Vick and why there will not be with Carr.
He will have to make people believe in him... that's all he has to do. If not, then it's time to bail and spend the money more wisely. When it comes to judging Carr, I bet that's going to be the biggest factor.
He costs 7 million dollars a year and has cost 7 million dollars a year.
( or is it 10? something close to that )
When Vick walks out on the field, people feel like he is going to help them win. Defenses plan for him.
When Carr walks out on the field, I don't think anybody fears him. I don't think anybody outside of the Reliant sphere of influence thinks that he is going to win and nobody really thinks he is going to beat them.
You have to prove you can beat Vick.
Carr has to prove he can beat you.
NOT good and that's a problem. Somebody was kicking a stat around here about his cost-to-performance ratio... and that didn't look good either. Compared to how he ranks in the NFL in performance and in pay is significant in a cap-based league.
That's also why there is patience with Vick and why there will not be with Carr.
He will have to make people believe in him... that's all he has to do. If not, then it's time to bail and spend the money more wisely. When it comes to judging Carr, I bet that's going to be the biggest factor.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
See my above post CJ - I certainly feel like you do.
I agree and disagree TwinSisters : Carr certainly has some things to prove this year to alot of people, but I disagree that nobody outside Reliant thinks he will win. Honestly Ive felt from the beginning that Carr was just in the wrong system and that if he were ever put into a more pass oriented style of offense where he could use his talents, he would excel alot more. His numbers at Fresno showed he was a very good passer. Alot of league folks have said repeatedly that David is a decent QB, but hasnt been given a chance to succeed, due to lack of talent, coaching, and protection. The basics needed for any average QB to be succesful.
In a recent Chronic article Coach K and Justice expand on these ideas and the problems.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/texans/3898813.html
"Carr is being asked to do less on the field than in the previous system. At one point last season, one NFL talent evaluator speculated Carr was being asked to make more on-the-field reads than most other NFL quarterbacks."....
"At the heart of the decision to draft Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush was Kubiak's belief he could do great things with the offensive talent already in place.
"It's on me to score enough points," one team official quoted Kubiak"....
"Kubiak told Carr he wasn't going to judge him on those first four seasons. He knew the history. He knew about the 208 sacks and all the rest.
"Confidence comes with success," Kubiak said. "As I told David, 'The first thing you need to understand is if we don't put 10 good guys around you, it doesn't matter. Give us a chance to do that. Give us a chance to build this offense and put guys around you that can make plays.'
"I'm also putting a lot of pressure on him. That's the way this thing has to be done. The quarterback has to be willing to put that on his shoulders for a team to win in this league. Every indication and his work habits tell me he's going to get there."
I agree and disagree TwinSisters : Carr certainly has some things to prove this year to alot of people, but I disagree that nobody outside Reliant thinks he will win. Honestly Ive felt from the beginning that Carr was just in the wrong system and that if he were ever put into a more pass oriented style of offense where he could use his talents, he would excel alot more. His numbers at Fresno showed he was a very good passer. Alot of league folks have said repeatedly that David is a decent QB, but hasnt been given a chance to succeed, due to lack of talent, coaching, and protection. The basics needed for any average QB to be succesful.
In a recent Chronic article Coach K and Justice expand on these ideas and the problems.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/texans/3898813.html
"Carr is being asked to do less on the field than in the previous system. At one point last season, one NFL talent evaluator speculated Carr was being asked to make more on-the-field reads than most other NFL quarterbacks."....
"At the heart of the decision to draft Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush was Kubiak's belief he could do great things with the offensive talent already in place.
"It's on me to score enough points," one team official quoted Kubiak"....
"Kubiak told Carr he wasn't going to judge him on those first four seasons. He knew the history. He knew about the 208 sacks and all the rest.
"Confidence comes with success," Kubiak said. "As I told David, 'The first thing you need to understand is if we don't put 10 good guys around you, it doesn't matter. Give us a chance to do that. Give us a chance to build this offense and put guys around you that can make plays.'
"I'm also putting a lot of pressure on him. That's the way this thing has to be done. The quarterback has to be willing to put that on his shoulders for a team to win in this league. Every indication and his work habits tell me he's going to get there."
I totaly agree Carr is moving in the right dirrection. Even if he does not make it to the pro bowl this year, he will. Even if the team does not make it to the playoffs this year, they will. It is just the nature of the fan to be was too ideal. The bottom line is everything is back on track agian. Kubes and Carr may or may not be the winning combo for a superbowl vitory, more adjustments may be needed down the road. But for now the sky is the limit, and the dream is back!!!!!
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
As an FYI comment, Mark Bruener was on 610 am yesterday. He said he is (a) very excited about the new offense including the fact that the TE's are used to go out and catch passes (including him) and (b) David Carr has his swagger back. Debate the merits of those as you will. Personally, Bruener is an underrated guy IMO--dude is a dominant, as in better than many OT, blockers and very experienced dude (including SB experience).
Wharton
Rookie
IMO, one of David biggest problems last year was his lack of confidence (decimation of David's confidence may be more appropriate). If Bruener's assessment is correct, I would say, it a positive step for Carr. I am not a Carr believer, but I'll gladly eat crow if it means we get more wins next year.
I'm not sure what to think of this next Chronic quote from an un-named talent evaluator:
How much less could Carr be doing? There was alot of talk on this board last year about how Carr could only check down to a running play. If you only have to check down to a running play, how much reading of defenses does that take? I don't think it takes much. So what reads is this talent evaluator talking about? Were the plays the Texans using that complicated? It didn't look like it to me. After all, in Carr's best performance (the first half of the Cardinals game) everybody was talking about how Carr was allowed to do more reads at the line of scrimmage? So which is it? Personally, I think the talent evaluator was smoking crack.