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Joppru Hurt Again!!

I agree. as much as I was hoping for Joppru to make an impact this season, I do think it is time to look for another TE... If Joppru is as good as advertised (can block and recieve) I wouldn't mind us finding another TE (that can do the same) and then when we use a two TE formation of (Insert name here) and Joppru.. It has got to be better than the Miller and Bruenner combo ... I like both of those guys,but in the nfl a team has to have a 2 dimensional TE..and these guys are only one.
 
Texan Dave said:
Man I really feel for this guy, 3 seperate injurys, 3 strait years, with the things he's thinking about, and are bound to be running through his mind at this time. I hope he's religious.
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I believe the second injury was a reinjury of the first, I could be wrong but don't think so. He is young and healthy, a year off to recover and who knows what might happen.
 
http://wwws1.countryday.net/2007/ludowb/Dangerous.htm

WWJD said:
Like I said I NEVER saw Troy wear a knee brace...at the beginning of his career, during the wonder years or at the end of his career. It also seems rather odd that he was drafted #1 out of college and there was never a mention of him having these horrible ACL injuries.

I do remember him hurting his finger, I remember him hurting his back and I remember him getting concussions. I also remember him bursting his bursa sac on his elbow once. That looked very painful.

BTW..I'm sorry to hear of your injuries and hope you are completely recovered from them.
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thought i would settle this for yall

hope this link works of troy's injuries. try link above
 
briptexanfan said:
one more try.http://wwws1.countryday.net/2007/ludlowb/Dangerous_game.htm


thought i would settle this for yall

hope this link works of troy's injuries. try link above
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that did not work either. what the site said was troy sprained LCL on right knee on 11/24/1991 and sprained MCL on left knee on 11/20/94 and finally a severe bruise on left knee on 11/12/95 also. lots and lots of other injuries but that was it on the knees. good sight on football injuries if you can find it.
 
Well thanks for trying with the link anyway. I never seem to do that properly myself.

There is alot of difference between spraining your knee and a torn ACL...but it's not a major issue really except maybe to Troy who had to do the suffering!

I don't know if I could stand the physical abuse NFL players have to sustain throughout their careers. It sure leads to alot of problems for them later in life.
 
I guess I missed this. Bennie Joppru is not on the Texans roster. When was he released?
 
Joppru is on the Texans roster. But he injured his knee in minicamp & will likely be placed on the injured reserve list prior to the season.
 
I really wouldn't be to upset if he was released. There comes a point and time where you just have to cut your losses. Even if he does make it back next year he'll be like 3 1/2 years removed from football.
 
Why release a prospect who is isn't a big cap hit and had a 2nd round grade? He will just sign with another team and play when he gets healthy. If he was a cap problem then we should release him but to release him now makes zero football sense since we have room on IR.
 
Carr Bomb said:
I really wouldn't be to upset if he was released. There comes a point and time where you just have to cut your losses. Even if he does make it back next year he'll be like 3 1/2 years removed from football.
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Nobody with the Texans organization will be asking me, but I don't think we
should quit on him if he's willing to try it again next year. Afterall, he is yet
to quit on himself although he may decide to do so after this years injury. The thing is, none of this is his fault, anymore than anybody could fault Cass for drafting him back in 2003 - he had no history of being a fragile player, let alone anyone who would have such an incredibly unfortunate series of severe injurys over 3 consecutive years. But as usual, the financial consideration
re the cap consequences for us will be the factor that weighs the most in whether the Texans go another year with BJ.
 
swisher said:
could a guy have any worse luck? I've never felt so bad for an athlete as I do for him.
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Its like groundhog day every training camp. I agree, not like his cap hit is hurting us. Reminds me of a guy named Yatil Green from Miami. Atleast BJ's story has reached this level: Yatil Green
 
Vinny said:
Why release a prospect who is isn't a big cap hit and had a 2nd round grade? He will just sign with another team and play when he gets healthy. If he was a cap problem then we should release him but to release him now makes zero football sense since we have room on IR.
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This one you and I agree on Vinny. The guy had a lot of potential. The real question is, will it still be there if and when he gets healthy? He had the potential to be the dominent TE we were looking for and its peanuts we are spending while we are waiting to see if it will ever happen. Accounting wise what has already been spent is not a factor, its what we will spend from here on that matters. Nobody is going to trade for him, so you keep investing and hoping, but you won't get many opportunites from here on to get someone like him from the draft if we are as successful as many hope.
 
So, is Jopporu out for the entire season again? Or is there a possibility that the can come back at some point in the season?

This is a real bummer that this is going to be the third full season he has missed! :brickwall
 
Ibar_Harry said:
but you won't get many opportunites from here on to get someone like him from the draft if we are as successful as many hope.
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Lets just hope we are so successful that we will be picking in the big numbered end of the draft, but I'm sure you know that teams can usually get top TEs at far less the price than say top LTs. Its not that unusualy to get a very good TE in the 3rd round.
 
I hope Joppru recovers fully, and becomes a great tight end for the Texans. Regardless of whether he does or does not, I hope the Texans take a tight end on the first day of the 2006 draft, and I would be quite pleased if the Texans used a first or second round pick on a tight end. Mark Bruenner is not getting any younger, and Billy Miller is more of a big WR than a big, run-blocking, pass-catching TE. As Bruenner begins to phase out, it would be great to have two solid tight ends on the roster. Or, if Joppru does not recover the way we hope that he will, the Texans will certainly need at least one really good, multi-talented tight end.
 
All I'm saying is I wouldn't be upset if they released him. Just like everybody else I know its not his fault and its very unfortunate the way his career has started off. Having said that you still only have so long to prove yourself in this league. I hope that he'll be able to produce for us, god everyone knows we need a complete te, I'm just saying patience is wearing thin.
 
I HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE LOOP FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, CAN ANYONE HELP ME?? WHAT IS THE STATUS OFBENNIE JOPPRU? DID THE TEXANS FINALLY RELEASE HIM?? HE STILL APPEARS ON THE TEXANS ROSTER ON TEH WEBSITE :fishing:
 
From Fanball via Yahoo!:

Tight end Bennie Joppru was officially placed on the PUP list due to the torn ACL he suffered during minicamp. Joppru can start practicing with the team at the end of October and could be activated later this season.

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Joppru has missed his first two NFL seasons because of injury, so he's no stranger to the training staff. The Texans could use some help at the tight end position, so if and when he's able to come back from injury he could certainly contribute to the Houston offense.
 
joppru is still on the roster to cover casserly's butt- what (another) wretched draft pick he was!
 
My really big question is this. After all this time, is he in football shape mentally anymore? Does he even posess the skills that he was drafted for? To be honest I would have to think that one more setback and he is done for sure.
 
lucky13 said:
joppru is still on the roster to cover casserly's butt- what (another) wretched draft pick he was!
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Yeah-what a horrible draft pick! Casserly's crystal ball must have been broken when he drafted a healthy Joppru that was to become an injury-prone player. Shame on him!

Charles Hill="wretched" pick
Bennie Joppru="wretched" luck
 
rittenhouserobz said:
My really big question is this. After all this time, is he in football shape mentally anymore? Does he even posess the skills that he was drafted for? To be honest I would have to think that one more setback and he is done for sure.
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He isn't sitting on his butt at home eating Bon Bons. He is trainign and rehabilitating his knee. This guy have put in the work to get healthy and show up in shape each year after coming off an injury. He's got the heart to play and the talent to show well in his limited time in training camp the past 3 years.


To others who think Casserly and Co. made a mistake:

Horrible lucky with health issues doesn't make him a bad pick. No one would have forseen 3 years of season ending injuries. He is attending meetings and keeping his head in the game until his body can get back into it. Show the guy some respect for having the heart to endure these injuries and try and get back to the game that he loves and the team he supports.

Go Texans!
:texans:
 
William.carter said:
He isn't sitting on his butt at home eating Bon Bons. He is trainign and rehabilitating his knee. This guy have put in the work to get healthy and show up in shape each year after coming off an injury. He's got the heart to play and the talent to show well in his limited time in training camp the past 3 years.


To others who think Casserly and Co. made a mistake:

Horrible lucky with health issues doesn't make him a bad pick. No one would have forseen 3 years of season ending injuries. He is attending meetings and keeping his head in the game until his body can get back into it. Show the guy some respect for having the heart to endure these injuries and try and get back to the game that he loves and the team he supports.

Go Texans!
:texans:
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He has been drawing a paycheck for 3 years without ever playing so Joppru is only doing what should be expected.
 
bckey said:
He has been drawing a paycheck for 3 years without ever playing so Joppru is only doing what should be expected.
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So what are you saying? A guy who works hard and tries to live up to the teams expecations doesn't deserve some respect rather than being called a bum, a loser, or a total bust that we should have avoided in the draft? Just trying to understand exactly what it is he DID that deserves the total lack of support this board seems to show him. It has to be tough being inches away from something you've wanted since you were a day dreaming child and never getting the chance to show your stuff. But he hasn't given up, and think that type of attitude and determination deserves a little respect.

I'm proud of the Texans for standing behind him. It shows what a class organization they really are.
 
William.carter said:
So what are you saying? A guy who works hard and tries to live up to the teams expecations doesn't deserve some respect rather than being called a bum, a loser, or a total bust that we should have avoided in the draft? Just trying to understand exactly what it is he DID that deserves the total lack of support this board seems to show him. It has to be tough being inches away from something you've wanted since you were a day dreaming child and never getting the chance to show your stuff. But he hasn't given up, and think that type of attitude and determination deserves a little respect.

I'm proud of the Texans for standing behind him. It shows what a class organization they really are.
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All I said was that he is doing what he is being paid to do. I don't think that shows any kind of lack of respect. I think most people on this bb feel sorry for the guy but don't make it sound like he is doing something extraordinary by rehabbing and attending team meetings. The Texans have shown more patience with injured players than a lot of other nfl teams. You can bet though that if it was costing the Texans too much cap room Joppru would have been gone butI think it is costing us the same this year whether we keep him or cut him so the Texans figure why not keep him.
 
bckey said:
All I said was that he is doing what he is being paid to do. I don't think that shows any kind of lack of respect.
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I apologize for my misinterpretation. Initially it sounded to me like you were saying the same thing another poster has said, basicly that he's cashing in and taking the easy way to pad his bank account.

don't make it sound like he is doing something extraordinary by rehabbing and attending team meetings.
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My point regarding this is that he is showing more heart that some guys who stand a good shot at making the final roster and that is a shame. To be specific, Bradford looks like he is phoning in his performance every time he takes the field. Low effort, low energy, and no desire. If he doesn't like the thought of playing #2 to a superior receiver, he shouldn't have signed with us again. just my opinion.

You can bet though that if it was costing the Texans too much cap room Joppru would have been gone butI think it is costing us the same this year whether we keep him or cut him so the Texans figure why not keep him.
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I agree with you whole heartedly, but a lot of teams in this league wouldn't have given this guy a chance to come back after the second season he missed. regardless of what it is costing them.
 
William.carter said:
So what are you saying? A guy who works hard and tries to live up to the teams expecations doesn't deserve some respect rather than being called a bum, a loser, or a total bust that we should have avoided in the draft? Just trying to understand exactly what it is he DID that deserves the total lack of support this board seems to show him. It has to be tough being inches away from something you've wanted since you were a day dreaming child and never getting the chance to show your stuff. But he hasn't given up, and think that type of attitude and determination deserves a little respect.

I'm proud of the Texans for standing behind him. It shows what a class organization they really are.
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No one thinks he's a bum, but most feel the free ride has gone on long enough. Not to say that he's not busting his butt rehabing and attending meetings. But be honest, if it was YOUR money and YOUR butt on the line to bring home a winner, I'm pretty sure your opinion would be different. And if it wouldn't be, I sure hope you're not the CEO of any major company. Yes, he's a stand up guy and I wish more players had his heart, but this is a business. And I believe the cuttting of Billy Miller was a prime example of that. He was one of the most beloved Texans and they dropped him. AND HE WAS HEALTHY! It's nice to sit back and praise our organization for sticking by one of our guys who hasn't played a down since we drafted him 3 years ago. But what is this game about? Winning. Winning it all and being the best. And you can't win with injured players.
 
Dionysus22 said:
No one thinks he's a bum, but most feel the free ride has gone on long enough. Not to say that he's not busting his butt rehabing and attending meetings. But be honest, if it was YOUR money and YOUR butt on the line to bring home a winner, I'm pretty sure your opinion would be different. And if it wouldn't be, I sure hope you're not the CEO of any major company. Yes, he's a stand up guy and I wish more players had his heart, but this is a business. And I believe the cuttting of Billy Miller was a prime example of that. He was one of the most beloved Texans and they dropped him. AND HE WAS HEALTHY! It's nice to sit back and praise our organization for sticking by one of our guys who hasn't played a down since we drafted him 3 years ago. But what is this game about? Winning. Winning it all and being the best. And you can't win with injured players.
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So exactly how dows cutting Joppru help us win? I'll help you out here: It won't. He won't cost us a roster spot and the cap savings would be trivial. He is only 25-not 30. He'll have 3 years of Texans playbook knowledge under his belt and still a ton of that dreaded word-potential. Why cut him?
 
touttail said:
Can you say Boselli?? Another one in the making!

Bobby 119C
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Missed this one. Boselli was damaged goods when we took him. Joppru wasn't. Not even close to the same thing.
 
Dionysus22 said:
No one thinks he's a bum, but most feel the free ride has gone on long enough. Not to say that he's not busting his butt rehabing and attending meetings. But be honest, if it was YOUR money and YOUR butt on the line to bring home a winner, I'm pretty sure your opinion would be different. And if it wouldn't be, I sure hope you're not the CEO of any major company. Yes, he's a stand up guy and I wish more players had his heart, but this is a business. And I believe the cuttting of Billy Miller was a prime example of that. He was one of the most beloved Texans and they dropped him. AND HE WAS HEALTHY! It's nice to sit back and praise our organization for sticking by one of our guys who hasn't played a down since we drafted him 3 years ago. But what is this game about? Winning. Winning it all and being the best. And you can't win with injured players.
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I'm not a CEO, but I know what a sunk cost is. His salary is a sunk cost. whether he plays a down or not. He could choose to walk away from the game and get paid the same, but he is earning his pay check. Not on the field granted, but he is doing his best to live up to his expectations. I wouldn't call that a free ride.

I guess I shouldn't have said anything, but i get tired of people bashing a guy while he is a down and calling for him to be cut loose when it isn't costing the Texans extra to keep him. He's doing the best he can to give them the player they drafted him to be.
 
Exascor said:
So exactly how dows cutting Joppru help us win? I'll help you out here: It won't. He won't cost us a roster spot and the cap savings would be trivial. He is only 25-not 30. He'll have 3 years of Texans playbook knowledge under his belt and still a ton of that dreaded word-potential. Why cut him?
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My thoughts exactly...well said.
 
I am overall a big fan and supporter of Casserly and company regarding their selection of talent...IMO they have not missed much and no one gets them all right. That said, here are the facts pro and con regarding the Joppru decision:

We took him with the 41st pick in the draft in '03 which means we "passed" on a 6'5", 261 pound TE ranked higher on most boards from Tenessee by the name of Jason Witten (by way of reminder, Joppru is 6'4" and 262 pounds so they are about the same size). Witten was taken with the 69th pick by Dallas, has 1327 yds, 7 TD's and 87 receptions in '04 and the praise of a tough guy to please...Parcells.

IMO, the issue is not that CC is stupid for taking a guy that was never hurt and has been, nor the fact that the kid apparently wants to still give it a go...good for him although I agree with the posts that basicially point out correctly that he has been and continues to be paid to do that...I wish him well next year and hope that he can turn this thing around. But CC does own the decision to pass on Witten for Joppru. We have some very knowledgable (more so than me) fans on this board, and I would love to hear their thoughts on what that was all about. In fairness, maybe Joppru's numbers would have been as good or better than Witten's if he had not been hurt...we will never know.

I was disappointed with their passing on Witten in '03 and all I can remember about that was something about our coaches thought Joppru was a better blocker than Witten.

Also, in the interest of fairness and complete disclosure, I should mention that 27 other teams had a chance to pick Witten before Dallas got him in the third round (including us again at 67 when we took Peek) and they took guys who have not had Witten's impact for the most part also.

So in summary, nice going CC for DD, Mathis and CC Brown....

Whoops on Joppru (and not because he has been hurt) over Witten and a "2" for Tony Hollings.

Go Texans!!!
 
I think releasing him isnt an option ATM..due to his contract.


If im wrong there.. and we could release him right now with no penalties.. then I still think its a bad move.

there is room on the PUP and there isnt much point in releasing him as long as there is SOME small inkling of a chance that he could possibly at some time maybe recover.... like 1%..

1% is better than releasing him and having 0% though.
 
lets put it like this he is on his last chance. He might even be asked to re-structure his deal to make it more team friendly but at this point we are not in a situation where we need the cap room and he doesn't have a big cap hit so there isn't much risk. If he can't play at least 9 games next season then he needs to go and we need to find a long term solution. I think by the time the draft rolls around we should know enough and will probably draft someone to compete with him anyways.
 
What could there possibly be to restructure? Isn't he going into the last year of his rookie contract (and without playing a single down, makes me want to cry when i think of it) and aren't last years generally pretty cheap? Either that or ridiculously expensive once they get that FAT CASH on their second contract.

It seems to me like we've already lost a pile on this guy and if we keep him one more season just to see if maybe, just maybe this terrible run of luck is over we risk losing what? A pile of money + 2 bits for this season? Let him hang around if for no other reason than morbid curiosity. I want to see what a TE who's been out three years plays like. I want to see if it's possible for a player to play all the way through his rookie deal without ever seeing the field. Humor me.
 
If he actually gets healthy they'll probably just stick the minimum tender on him and give him a chance. If he blows it...he's cut. Shouldn't be an issue as long as we don't pass on a good TE thinking he will be the savior.
 
His bonus is paid and he gets it cut or on the IR, regardless. He is only banging the cap for $380,000 this year in base salary so he is worth keeping to see if he can make the roster healthy next year. It's really not costing much money or a roster spot so it just makes sense to hang on to him and try it again next year.
 
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