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Joppru Hurt Again!!
- Thread starter TEXANS84
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I don't imagine any Texan fan WANTED the guy to get hurt but at some point you have to be realistic. The guy was a high draft choice and he hasn't played one down for the team...at a position they could use help at.
You can like the guy all you want, feel sorry for him all you want, know it's not his fault all you want but the bottom line is he can't play because he's always hurt. Period. Nobody is blaming the guy but at some point (NOW!) it's best for the team to move on and quit worrying about him playing. He can't even get to a preseason game.
On the bright side he's wealthy, young and probably pretty smart. He'll bounce back doing something but it doesn't look like it will be playing NFL football.
You can like the guy all you want, feel sorry for him all you want, know it's not his fault all you want but the bottom line is he can't play because he's always hurt. Period. Nobody is blaming the guy but at some point (NOW!) it's best for the team to move on and quit worrying about him playing. He can't even get to a preseason game.
On the bright side he's wealthy, young and probably pretty smart. He'll bounce back doing something but it doesn't look like it will be playing NFL football.
THEFUTURE
Rookie
Tell me one good reason to cut him.. cuz its not money, what a whole 380,00 dollars gonna break the Texans this year? c'mon, why get rid of a guy that has potential. this is a different injury, and has nothing to do with his groin, im a 100% positive this guy comes back, next year and has a strong showing. quote me on it.WWJD said:
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
I'm not sure if this deserves it's own thread or not, so I'll let Vinny decide, but:
Texans | Look to Sign M. Rivers - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 20:52:26 -0700
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans are apparently going to sign free agent TE Marcellus Rivers (Giants). He visited with the Texans Tuesday, May 17 and the team kept him in town overnight. Rivers was flown in after the Texans found out TE Bennie Joppru was lost for the season with a torn ACL.
Texans | Look to Sign M. Rivers - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 20:52:26 -0700
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans are apparently going to sign free agent TE Marcellus Rivers (Giants). He visited with the Texans Tuesday, May 17 and the team kept him in town overnight. Rivers was flown in after the Texans found out TE Bennie Joppru was lost for the season with a torn ACL.
THEFUTURE said:
1. He's never played one down for the team in a game.
2. His injuries are not just nicks...they are season ending injuries.
3. 3 years in a row he's on the payroll and you get nothing.
Say you owned a large corporation that made millions. You invested heavily in an employee coming in and contributing to your company. Would you keep that person on the payroll for 3 years? With nothing to show for it? So why should the Texans??
I always love it when people say hey 300 thousand isn't all that much money...that's a fine opinion when it's somebody else's money you're talking about but how long does this team wait on this guy?
It would perhaps make sense if he played some IN A GAME and showed something but that hasn't happened. Be logical. Players have to produce or they are done in this business. The Texans invested a great deal of time and money in Tony Boselli and finally had to bite the bullet. I think the only reason they were even a bit patient with him was because he was such a great player at one time. With BJ you can't even say that because he never gets to play because he's always hurt.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
WWJD said:
What some are saying, however, is it costs more to cut him than to keep him. Therefore, business wise it seems you keep him on IR and see what happens next year. You actually gain rather than loose. I'm assuming the people know what they are talking about.....
THEFUTURE
Rookie
he was two years removed this year, and no one really said much about it, its not like he just sits at home, im sure he is there everyday, watching a lot of film and studying the playbook, he might have a better grip of the playbook than a lot of other guys. also, whats so wrong with a player sitting three years before he plays anyways.. heck, im sure there are players that dont play the first few years being in the NFL, and come on later in their careers to make a contribution. We are just so used to every rookie coming in and performing for us right away, that we label him a bust... but we should, just look at it as time for Bennie to grasp the game from the sideline, gaining somthing out of this im sure.. i mean heck, look at peek, granted he played some downs for us, he was given time to develop, it just so happens that Bennie is developing in a MUCH MUCH different way, but hopefully for the bestbckey said:
TexAntagonise
Practice Squad
I see no reason to cut him. Unless McNair is going on vacation and needs a little "Mad Money." As far as Joppru coming back next season and making an impact? I'm sorry but I don't see it. Depending on how severe the tear is it usually takes a year to recover. Then they say it take another season before you are back to where you were before the tear. I see the Texans going after another TE in next years draft and Joppru never setting foot on the field, in a Texans uniform.
I also see the Texans signing of M.Rivers as a sign that they never expected much out of Joppru this season. If They expected something big from him they would have went after an impact TE (i.e. Franks, or Cam) instead of a backup.
I also see the Texans signing of M.Rivers as a sign that they never expected much out of Joppru this season. If They expected something big from him they would have went after an impact TE (i.e. Franks, or Cam) instead of a backup.
The Preacher
Waterboy
Glass Half Full
1) Never seen what he can do professionally so how is he the difference that keeps us from the playoffs?
2) Will be ever indebted to Texans and should sign for league minimum considering he's already collected bigtime and yet to play.
3) Won't ever take playing in the NFL for granted if he ever plays and will probably never slack off which could be the reason he got hurt (too much stress on body).
4) Management and fans have absolutely no expectation for him to ever contribute again so if he does it's a bonus.
5) Forces other guys to step up.
1) Never seen what he can do professionally so how is he the difference that keeps us from the playoffs?
2) Will be ever indebted to Texans and should sign for league minimum considering he's already collected bigtime and yet to play.
3) Won't ever take playing in the NFL for granted if he ever plays and will probably never slack off which could be the reason he got hurt (too much stress on body).
4) Management and fans have absolutely no expectation for him to ever contribute again so if he does it's a bonus.
5) Forces other guys to step up.
DominickDavisFan76
Waterboy
ya but if ur injured 3 years in a row, I say keep him but lower the money he will get out of his contract,so they can save some cap room and make a good buy on someone, that is needed for them to get better. Im not sure what position they need someone from but u all know what i mean, well im out bye.
hot pickle
Canada Eh
is out for the season again or will he back back half way through the season?
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
ATX
Hall of Fame
the real problem i have and i would think most of you have is not so much the fact that joppru has gotten hurt, but the fact that he's been getting hurt in practice and preseason. this guy has never played snap in the nfl and he gets hurt. just makes me wonder what will happen when he actually does play a game. i mean, is he gonna hold up when he gets popped across the middle or when dwight freeney rushes him and spins off of him. the good thing with him getting injured now, is that we have time to pick a free agent or make some kind of trade to get another TE. this is alot better than him getting injured the first game and all the quality FA's are taken.
Did Joppru show a history of injuries before we drafted him? This pick can now officially be classified under BUST for now. 3 straight seasons he has been hurt for the year, and we now know to expect injuries from him. Makes me question if he will be as physically strong, What if we put him in a game? Fumbles then out for career? odd case.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
DRIFTAWAY said:
No he did not.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Capers - Real player link
Joppru suffers torn ACL
By Carter Toole
www.HoustonTexans.com
The news is official and it isn't good: Bennie Joppru's third NFL season will be his third one on the injured reserve list.
Head coach Dom Capers confirmed Wednesday that the Texans' tight end has a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee.
"Right now we'll probably wait 10 days or so before they do surgery," Capers said. "I think the rehab is normally six to nine months."
Joppru suffered the injury Monday when he made a cut on a pass route during a non-contact drill.
"It's extremely frustrating," Capers said. "I feel bad for Bennie. He's worked really hard but he's had terrible luck since he's been here. It'll be the third year in a row that he's had an injury and won't be able to participate. When you're an athlete and you're a competitor, that's awful tough."
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
I just want to say I am sorry to hear about this. I hope he recovers soon.
outofhnd
Rookie
I would rather Have Marcellus Rivers, Shows good hands and has a nose for getting open in the end zone. All TE are about the same Cam has 20 pounds on all of them. But I think Rivers would be cheaper.
I think imma find a 4 leaf clover and mail it to Bennie with instructions to keep it on you at all times on the football field. I mean this guy has like 0 luck... Did he break a mirror or a black cat cross his path on draft day? Maybe Next year he will be struck by lightening as he is just about to catch his first NFL pass.
I wonder what this does to you mentally, having to worry about re-aggravating these injuries.
As for the draft when we picked Joppru, I remember everyone on ESPN saying what a great pick and that he was the best tight end after shockey in the draft. Just has never worked out.
I think imma find a 4 leaf clover and mail it to Bennie with instructions to keep it on you at all times on the football field. I mean this guy has like 0 luck... Did he break a mirror or a black cat cross his path on draft day? Maybe Next year he will be struck by lightening as he is just about to catch his first NFL pass.
I wonder what this does to you mentally, having to worry about re-aggravating these injuries.
As for the draft when we picked Joppru, I remember everyone on ESPN saying what a great pick and that he was the best tight end after shockey in the draft. Just has never worked out.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
outofhnd said:
Remember, Ernie Banks always thought next year was going to be the CUBS year. Well, may be BJ's will be next year. I think that everyone who watched him, including the Texans, know what his potential is. Sometimes the good Lord simply says, NO. What can you say and do except try again. The older you get the harder it is to heal. One thing you will be able to say, however, if he ever makes the squad he will be very mature and dedicated and it won't be a fluke. Given BJ's attitude he might even be better than Shocky if he ever gets on the field. Sounded like DOM still wants him and wants to assist him through these difficult times. I commend DOM and the Texans for that.
Mean Machine
Waterboy
I haven't heard anything this morning on 1300 either but man, you are so right about the 'sports twins' they stink...they are so biased towards dallas I don't listen to them anymore. I emailed their program director and he actually emailed me back saying he would have a 'talk' with his dj's. This is the Texans affiliate too for Cen Tex.
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
moses WAS released
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Joe Texan said:
You're getting 522 yards and one touch down from the TE corp. Color me unimpressed. Isn't
the TE position one of the major cogs for a WCO ? I'm happy you're happy for Millers sucurity, but Jezz 522 & one fricken TD ? Get a rope ! And Billy says to tell mom to send more cookies Dad.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
outofhnd said:
Yep there was nothing wrong with Joppru when he came out. I know at the time I loved the pick. This frachise has had the worst luck with their #2 picks.As Bo Pilgram would say, Mindboggleing.The draft is a (an illeagle dice game] shoot. You never know. If it's my team, I start looking for good young TE's burried on someones roster and buy them for '06. Liked the Rivers move. But it's a long ways from Gonzo to Rivers. Carr deserves a top filght TE. I think it's injury settlement time. JMHO.
Happy trails to you until we meet again.
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
Porky said:You mean like Rivers?
FWIW, it was rumored that Cleveland was about to make a run at Rivers, but we beat them to the punch, so I guess hypothetically, if Joppru's injury were to have happened later, we would have to settle for someone along the lines of Rickey Dudley...
Texan Dave
Waterboy
A torn ACL isn't a career ending injury, most offensive linmen don't even have them repaired if they are torn. Infact a great QB named Troy Aikman had both of his torn, and never repaired, if you notice in pictures of him playing, he has braces on both knees. And for those of you who think I'm full of it, I tore mine my junior year in highschool, NEVER had it repaired, and started 4 years of college football as an offensive guard, and have NEVER had any problems with it. And for those of you who think it will effect your speed, I ran consistant 4.9 and 5.0 fourty yard dashes at 300lbs. But that was also a non "skills" position, and if I had played a position such as TE or RB, it would've been sugested for me to have it repaired. The only physical atribute I really didn't dramatically improve upon was my vertical jump, I lost 4 inches and never gained that back. The vertical jump is a totaly over rated stat for a lineman, it means absolutely poo.
My point is, yeah Bennie has been injured for 3 strait years now, he's had horrible luck, and so for his career has been a bust. But he hasn't had anything that would be considered career ending, and weather it's with the Texans or not, he will continue to get looks as long as he keeps working. Sooner or later he'll get his shot, weather or not he'll be any good is yet to be seen, but things are bound to work out to wear he'll play in a football practice with pads, sooner or later.
Man I really feel for this guy, 3 seperate injurys, 3 strait years, with the things he's thinking about, and are bound to be running through his mind at this time. I hope he's religious.
My point is, yeah Bennie has been injured for 3 strait years now, he's had horrible luck, and so for his career has been a bust. But he hasn't had anything that would be considered career ending, and weather it's with the Texans or not, he will continue to get looks as long as he keeps working. Sooner or later he'll get his shot, weather or not he'll be any good is yet to be seen, but things are bound to work out to wear he'll play in a football practice with pads, sooner or later.
Man I really feel for this guy, 3 seperate injurys, 3 strait years, with the things he's thinking about, and are bound to be running through his mind at this time. I hope he's religious.
briptexanfan
Practice Squad
joppru will be ready next year when we are superbowl contenders.
Texan Dave said:
As far as I know Troy never wore knee braces...I sat thru many games at Texas Stadium and I don't remember a single instance of him wearing a knee brace.
I don't believe he ever had torn ACL's. Nope. Don't believe that's true. He had some back problems that gave him trouble, his rookie year I think he broke his hand or thumb and he had many concussions.
I don't believe he ever had torn ACL's. Nope. Don't believe that's true. He had some back problems that gave him trouble, his rookie year I think he broke his hand or thumb and he had many concussions.
Texan Dave
Waterboy
He had injuries in highschool and college, not the pro's. Later in his pro career he wore knee braces, I had the same kind of knee brace that he wore. They cost $6000, they're made from titanium, coated with teflon, they're also stream lined, made from a cast molding taken of your leg. When you wear them under your pants and socks, you can't hardley tell they're their from a short distance, and also have verry little restriction to your movement. And yes and ACL tear will cause you to miss an entire season, but it isn't a necessary ligament. It's the ligament that connects your femur bone to your shin under your kneecap. The muscles and supporting ligaments are more than strong enough to hold everything together. Their are lots of doctors that just like to cut someones knee open, because they feel it would be better in the long run. My knee doctor was Dr. Terry Woods, who at the time was the same knee specialist that the Houston Oilers, and most of the top universities in Texas used, he was considered one of the top 5 knee specialists in the US at the time. The team doctor at the university I played at wanted to opperate on it, said that it would give me problems for life without the surgery. It hasn't bothered or stoped me from doing anything.
Serious, yes, carreer ending, no.
Serious, yes, carreer ending, no.
awtysst
Draft Guru
In regrards to the whole Joppru situation, just read the following poem and all will be understood.
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream -- and not make dreams your master;
If you can think -- and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings -- nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run --
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And -- which is more -- you'll be a Man, my son!
If by Rudyard Kipling.
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream -- and not make dreams your master;
If you can think -- and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings -- nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run --
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And -- which is more -- you'll be a Man, my son!
If by Rudyard Kipling.
Texan Dave said:
Like I said I NEVER saw Troy wear a knee brace...at the beginning of his career, during the wonder years or at the end of his career. It also seems rather odd that he was drafted #1 out of college and there was never a mention of him having these horrible ACL injuries.
I do remember him hurting his finger, I remember him hurting his back and I remember him getting concussions. I also remember him bursting his bursa sac on his elbow once. That looked very painful.
BTW..I'm sorry to hear of your injuries and hope you are completely recovered from them.
Bottle-O-Bud said:My heart is breaking for the kid......... his luck is so bad.
Sometimes life has a funny way of leading you in a direction you did not consider...he's young and I imagine fairly smart. He'll do well in whatever he chooses if the NFL doesn't work out for him and it doesn't appear it will. He just has too many injuries.